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The local credit union has 150,000+ members.

Two articles in the Canadian Globe and Mail newspaper caught the eye of those who are not fixated on navel gazing on the shitty affair ‘unfurling’ on the South Coast.  The obvious question is what does it mean? Clearly CIBC- and we include the other Canadian banks operating in Barbados- are concerned about the current and future state of regional economies and have taken decisions to mitigate risk driven by concerns by shareholders whose concern is always to create share value and to satisfy the forecast of the financial analysts.

Some suggest there are indigenous financial intuitions that can fill the void if the Canadian banks were to withdraw from the Caribbean, the credit union unions come quickly to mind. Some question if the credit union movement in Barbados is ready to operate at the level required to deliver a best in class service in a global market fraught with regulation. We are not questioning if the cooperative model can deliver financial services to participants, a look at the balance sheets of the leading credit unions in Barbados suggest there is work to be done to ensure key acid ratios are met.

The Canadian Globe and Mail articles highlight the level of debt which Barbados has accumulated  and the volatility of oil price that has negatively impacted Trinidad’s economy. These are two of the key markets in the English speaking Caribbean that have undergirded the stability of the regional economy in the post oil-crisis period of the 70s. The trivializing of credit rating downgrades and an inability by regional governments to address structural fault lines in our economies that are known by the policymakers must not instil confidence in the boardrooms in Toronto and elsewhere.

The reality is that replacing international institutions with indigenous ones will not address the underlying factors at the root of failing and poorly performing regional economies. The lack of interest by Canadian financial intuitions is symptomatic of a lack of leadership with the result, conspicuous consumption behaviour driven mainly by the globalization construct. Just look at Barbados to confirm the ease with which we- through our representative the government and private sector- have sold our best companies to non Bajan interest. What assets and symbols do we have left to define who we are as a people? How will our children define success in the context of nurturing Bajan esprit de corps?

The BU household has written voluminously for 10 years about the need to remove the weeds from the lawn. The weeds have sprouted to bush. ALL of the regional economies are now heavily indebted nations with decaying infrastructure and limited fiscal space to drive development. Our politicians who ‘lead’ in the model of government we practice continue to rollout policy directives that pander to feathering popularity and satisfying those behind the curtains with the money to finance political campaigns. The people can be characterized as ‘sheep’ in the process.

History is the teacher to portend how this will play out- Crash, Burn, Rise!

Here are the Canadian Globe and Mail articles.

  • CIBC aims to double share of profits from U.S. operations
  • CIBC mulls offering Caribbean subsidiary on U.S. stock markets Subscriber content

The footnote to this submission is that in Barbados we pride ourselves on being an educated people yet we have demonstrated a lack of ability to manage home grown institutions and to leverage the investment in education to separate Barbados from the rest. Why bother to invest in education if this is the result?


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111 responses to “Canadian Banks Looking Elsewhere to Sustain Profits|Can the Credit Unions Do the Job?”


  1. I had the pleasure to work closely with the late HARDCOURT LEWIS who in my opinion was a visionary for the advancement of the credit union progression, I truly believe that had he been with us today his impetus would have made a huge difference in challenging this present day concept, moving to keep the credit union entity a singularity emphasizing the enhancement of the lives of the ordinary working class knowing full well that commercial banks pretend otherwise.

    when lines are backed up to the entrance door and there is one/two tellers… is shite.
    when you try to reach the bank by telephone and no one answer ever………… is shite.
    when one has to pay to withdraw your own funds from your account …………..is shite.
    when you have to “promise” that you will maintain a balance of $1000. on the account to have an account ………………………………………………………………………………………………….is shite.
    when you have an account but is not regularly active, it disappears to the Central Bank then to be inconvenience to retrieve it ………………………………………………………………….is shite.
    Even when you have a dormant checking account, the fees charge puts it in the red, your are accused of overdrawing that account ……………………………………………………………is shite.
    charging a fee at the counter when making a deposit to your account ……………is shite…..
    and
    those credit card facilities…. is high class shite and extortion, which by the way is infiltrating big businesses doing the same shite.. when you max out the shite begins.

    Maybe its time that these parasites take flight and let the credit unions provide our economic services… praying that government fully support its movement. move all bank accounts to credit unions may be the only way to grab the bull by the horn.


  2. and this one is classic, the monthly loan payment is required long before payday, evidently incurring a late payment fee is….utter shite.


  3. nineofnine December 15, 2017 at 4:20 PM #

    The foreign-owned banks get away with it because of the gross incompetence of our regulators and supervisors. Al the regulators have to do is tell them to stop it. But they are deferential, scared, of the Trinidadians and Canadians.

  4. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    @ 9 of 3 at 4:20 PM

    I too share your admiration for the late Sir Harcourt Lewis. He was a very gifted public servant. He was an excellent project manager. He project managed the first Hilton Hotel construction. He project managed the Barbados National Bank and The Insurance Corporation of Barbados. He was subsequently the first President of BNB and first chairman of ICBL.

    Of course he did other innovative work in the public service too numerous to mention.

    Where has that model of public servant disappeared to?

  5. Bernard Codrington Avatar
    Bernard Codrington

    The above should read ” 9 of 9″.


  6. I appreciate the correction Bernard.
    I would like to add BESLEY MAYCOCK of the same tenacity and like mindedness. All is not lost, the millennials are the correctors in due course.

    Hal,
    You must know that most of these “servants” are controlled fearing exposure of unethical practices either subtly coerced or embedded in the psyche. This is a known technique that is now being displayed in the political arena by those bent on exercising control.
    When that shit hits the fan here many will fall. Looking forward to political mudslinging campaigns.


  7. @ Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service December 14, 2017 at 11:08 AM #

    If these clowns for ministers really gave away the Hilton, they are the most stupid, backward fools to ever sit in parliament and should be severely punished by the electorate…for the secret sale.

    London and Regional Properties is a privately held Baker Street, London real estate company that oversees luxurious properties in the United Kingdom, Europe and the United States. Broadspan Capital operates out of Miami, Florida, in the United States.
    ……………………………………………………………..

    Oh ho…………….kinda makes sense now.

    I saw this little weasel Stuart Layne sitting next to Bjerkham on a flight from Miami two weeks ago.

    My antenna went up immediately and I wondered what deal these two were up to……..I just said to myself………it was highly improbable that it would be a coincidence for these two to be sitting next to each other in first class…….and that the two tickets were most likely purchased together.

    Now that the truth has been exposed about the deal……I saw the little weasel dodging questions from the BHTA saying that it is above his competence……….what the hell.

    But it is not above his comptence to sell out Barbados in secret! Deceitful brutes!


  8. Has the deal gone through or not? I saw the clown from St Lucy claiming that the BLP is blocking the sale.

    Did not the moron we have as a PM claim in 2013 that there will be no privitisation under his watch.

    Is he asleep and so does not know that the Stinkliar is selling out Barbados bit by bit like a drug addict for a quick fix…………..the problem is that quick fits dont work for druggies and it aint going to work for this economy………..it has been wrecked by the idiot of a minister.

  9. Lawrebce James Bauer, CFA Avatar
    Lawrebce James Bauer, CFA

    I don’t understand why the people of Barbados seem to always assume that only the government can start or run a business. If banking is a reasonable business in Barbados, why don’t private individuals set up a bank and raise capital by selling shares to the public, and listing the shares on the Stock Exchange?


  10. To restate the point, talk is cheap. How much capital is a single credit union or even multiple ones able to put up to be able to compete with the international or even the indigenous banks as far as funding large transactions.

    Just asking for a friend.

  11. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    The people really gotta get up and stop relying on the usual minority suspects and government to control businesses on the island, if they, the private sector or government put up barriers in your way to stop you from expanding medium and large businesses to benefit the island going forward….as they are well known to have done for the past 50 years….expose them all to the world, these small time monopolies and greedy ass petty stagnation of a whole population gotta stop…gotta end.

    As for the licorish, easily bought permanent secretaries and other public servants who would sell their own asses and everyone else’s for pennies…they should all be retired, they are stupid Black people.


  12. To restate the point, talk is cheap. How much capital is a single credit union or even multiple ones able to put up to be able to compete with the international or even the indigenous banks as far as funding large transactions.

    The Bajan disease is that everybody is an expert, and quite vocal with it. Credit union banks will simply provide a service to local people, they do not have to compete with international banks.
    Sometimes if you do not know what you are talking about just keep quiet.

    .


  13. nineofnine December 15, 2017 at 4:33 PM #

    The repayment date due is the date the loan was taken out.


  14. It is too early in the morning to respond to you in kind so here is what we will do. Turn the other cheek and wish you a great pleasant day.


  15. The local credit unions are useless since they provide local Mickey Mouse dollars. Only the international banks can deliver hard cash.


  16. To restate…
    The ONLY thing that differentiates the Credit Union from all the other brass bowlery in Barbados is the FACT that they are CONSTRAINED to follow very specific cooperative PRINCIPLES which relate to transparency, openness, one person one vote (no matter HOW much money you have) and to VERY detailed and specific performance BENCHMARKS.

    These CONSTRAINTS account for the ‘success’ of the credit unions….
    They are NOT allowed to do ….shiite.

    ANYTIME that they venture away from these principles, they will operate EXACTLY like the other brass bowl clowns in Barbados do.

    Perhaps we should be looking at IMPOSING Co-operative principles ON TO national business affairs, HOWEVER, when Bushie proposed EXACTLY this approach a few years ago with the BU 10-point plan – using a now popular big-mouth, big balls, asset to provide the transparency in the form of a Chairman of a National Supervisory Committee … .wunna laugh at Bushie….

    Bushie knows people who matter……


  17. @Bush Tea

    Not even trying to make the point at that level.

    You now that the credit union movement is currently 80% Barbados Public Workers and Credit Union.

    We also know that COB has no appetite to be part of a bank owned by credit unions, this is a matter of public record.

    We know that the plan is for the Barbados Public Workers to convert Capita to a bank, a company 100% owned by Barbados Public Workers credit union.

    The simple point is what kind of capital will Public Workers be able to get approved by members to be the game changer some in the forum want it to be. How will they manage the capital adequacy ratios and others to be a game changer.

    Because some ask questions JAs must bray because they see inquiry as objection.


  18. COB very likely has no appetite because a certain loud-mouthed member (who writes a regular column on your blog) has railed against the idea for decades now. It was the same ill-informed position that they took against the establishment of the insurance company too.

    A Credit Union Bank is an absolute NO-BRAINER.
    Even Hal could probably see the obvious benefits,… and the total lack of any CREDIBLE demerits in such a move.

    BUT any attempt to take a divisive, partisan approach will be counter-productive.
    Capita was ALWAYS a foolish mistake – where politicians were allowed to exert their CLICO-tarnished will on the brass bowl leaders. Trying to dump it as a bank now only makes a bad situation worse.

    The Credit Unions should ALL get together and either buy a small bank, or better yet, start their own from scratch, BUT with fundamental CO-OP-BASED constitutional guidelines which constrain the new organisation to follow specific operational guidelines that are modelled as closely as the law allows, to coop principles.

    Without access to their own bank facilities, credit unions will always be followers and beggars, operating at the mercy of the banks.
    WHOEVER CONTROLS YOUR MONEY CONTROLS YOU…..in this albino-centric world.

    One would think that after the insurance experience it would have been obvious to all that the way forward was for the movement to invest in banking, food retail, family based agriculture, medical services and other MEMBER NEEDS areas.

    Instead, we see the jokers continuing with this antiquated idea of accumulating shiite money in the bank as an end in itself…
    money which is now fetching interests rates of 0.01% (not that this means much to the fine ants minister – but shiite man!!! others MUST be able to see the problem here…)


  19. @Bush Tea

    Thanks for your comment. You have reinforced the point BU is trying to make. The cooperative movement by definition is about protecting the wellbeing of a collective, the fact the second largest credit union has concerns is cause for concern.


  20. @ David
    …the fact the second largest credit union has concerns is cause for concern.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    What actually concerns Bushie is the basis upon which you conclude that “the second largest credit union has concerns”.

    What you probably mean is that a few loud mouths with axes in need of grinding, have loudly expressed reservations …or outright objections to the creation of a Credit Union Bank.

    Watch this….

    What exactly is a Credit Union bank?

    Is there a DEFINITIVE answer to this basic question? Has ANYONE written a simple paper to outline what this really means in the Bajan context?
    Perhaps your regular columnist could do some research and start a conversation on this…

    Can you imagine that they paid a former central banker as a consultant (to produce what?) when significant expertise exist in the co-operative world of multiple such SUCCESSFUL operations? …and where free advice and guidance could be sourced?

    Most of the ‘objections’ to the concept are illogical, ill-informed, petty nonsense ..that comes from a low level of national self-esteem, and from the brainwashed idea that ‘certain things are too-big for us to manage’.

    Four-hundred years of systematic breeding of brass bowlery is no easy task to overcome yuh hear…? PLT is so right about the long term impact of the ‘Barbados Slave Code’…..

    When properly explained and articulated, even hopeless Bajan Brass Bowls of the order of Hal and Vincent (bless his soul) will support the idea…. It is THAT intuitive…..


  21. @Bush Tea

    If the COB credit union is being run as a cooperative movement why are a few loud mouths able to hijack the proceedings to use your word?


  22. @LJB
    the concept of using the stock exchange to raise funds has never caught on in Bim.


  23. @ David
    If the COB credit union is being run as a cooperative movement why are a few loud mouths able to hijack the proceedings to use your word?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++
    Where is it ever otherwise?


  24. Interesting read. Great background on what is going on with Canadian Banks in the Caribbean.

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/rob-magazine/perils-of-the-caribbean/article23199267/


  25. Bush Tea,

    If you convert Barbados into a cooperative, better make sure that it does not end like the “Co-operative Republic of Guyana” and the legendary Guyana Jones there. The Barbadian elite has the fatal tendency to abuse social, economic and legal structures like the inherited colonial system for their personal benefit. However, profit-sharing is a fine principle if you install some watchdog to bite the local elite.


  26. Hard to have a viable stock market in a place as small as Bim with few publicly traded companies and an anemic exchange as well as a mostly disinterested public, anyone who thinks otherwise living on “cloud nine”. It is a “meeting turn” and savings account public, same as it always was.


  27. @ Tron
    If you convert Barbados into a cooperative, better make sure that it does not end like the “Co-operative Republic of Guyana” ……… However, profit-sharing is a fine principle if you install some watchdog to bite the local elite.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Correct.
    Thus the value of Caswell (watchdog /oversight /transparency …and with tuff balls)
    and Jeff C, (a genuine gentleman, scholar and patriot.)
    (except when Bushie manages to piss him off 🙂 )

    Do you not yet see that without such assets, even a cooperative approach is useless…
    We are that badly positioned.

    @ Sargeant
    There you go again with your petty NCO limitations…

    The ONLY reason why a local stock market does not work is that there are such THIEVES about, as we have seen in almost every major public fund that we have had EXCEPT …the credit Unions.

    Who will put their pennies in some shiite fund ? -when we cal all see the damn RH prime minister and the central bank protecting the biggest leper and thief in recent local history?

    Who will put their savings in an investment fund – that is run the way that BNB was run before being handed to Trickidadians? ..or the way the NIS is managed?

    Bajans are no ‘disinterested’, they are just not 100% F##&%$! IDIOTS …..to just hand their saving over to persons who are above the law

    Put justice, transparency and a strong integrity focus in place and Bajans would be some of the VERY BEST investors anywhere….

    F##&%$! – ‘foolish”


  28. @Bush Tea

    Many reasons are responsible for a lack of interest by the public in listed companies. There is a degree of illiteracy concerning financial matters, lack of transparency at AGMs, the market is manipulated,,,


  29. Here we have a negative mindset by some , who believe that if it is local its is inferior.The credit union and its fore runner the meeting turns and civic societies , have been the major saviours of many, who were in some cases, unattractive to the big international banks. Anybody who has participated in a large meeting, can attest to their success, when properly maintained. I was once advised by a lecturer in economics, that it was better to invest in two pigs than trying to put money in a savings account. The returns , he explained were far more attractive than anything the bank was offering. He was correct. We save millions in banks and then they bluntly refuse to assist with small businesses and so on. Today, we are paying these multi national rapists, all types of “service” fees and they are actually controlling our money like loan sharks. It is time for the credit unions to step into the modern financial world and have their own banks. They must also offer other financial services and invest more in the local economy.
    I heard or read about a black Barbadian, who had started a bank donkey years ago. Old timers still marvel at what he tried to do back then . Imagine with all our education, and high flying lifestyles, we could not expand a national bank but an ordinary citizen, in a harsher time tried to establish a bank.
    I think they refer to it as the “Simmons” bank. Very interesting.


  30. @William Skinner

    You need to suppress the self talk. Why is it the second largest credit union and others in the movement have voted against the credit union owned bank? Is COB owned by the BU household? Do you know what the consultant’s report contained? Do have an idea how the regulator views the idea based on the state of Capita’s balance sheet? You like to attack others for asking relevant questions?


  31. There goes Bushie proud resident of cloud nine, now what is the working population in Bim? What percentage has disposable income? List the number of companies that have employee purchase plans that encourage employees to invest in company stock through deductions from their earnings? COW was boasting that his companies award employees shares based on their length of service, can these employees liquidate these share into cash on a quick turnaround?

    Barbados is not unique in having citizens who are disinterested in the Stock market, it is just that it has a small population while other countries with a vibrant stock market have millions of people and thousands of companies and this is an arena where size matters.

  32. NorthernObserver Avatar

    ” the market is manipulated”…..if true, the manipulators would have been buying and selling stocks like C&W and BHL and ‘pumping and dumping’ them? Maybe minimal arbitrage in cross listed stocks.


  33. @ David

    “Tron December 16, 2017 at 7:03 AM #
    The local credit unions are useless since they provide local Mickey Mouse dollars. Only the international banks can deliver hard cash.”

    How do you interpret comment above ?


  34. @BushTea, your retort re the BSE is absurdly not conforming to reality…viz: “The ONLY reason why a local stock market does not work is that there are such THIEVES about, as we have seen in almost every major public fund that we have had EXCEPT …the credit Unions.”

    That is simply your normal Bush-Speak or Dr. Goebbels fancy talk; sound good as shiitteee (just like a Bitcoin @ $17K) but merely a bubble to be burst.

    Above @2:28 @Sargeant I said it well but please do this for me if you would.

    In NON-Goeebbelesque speak advise a REAL world practical concept on how we can continuously ‘churn’ the sale/purchase of no more than the approximate 35 companies now listed on BSE.

    How do the Bajan investment industry (insurance, pension funds, other companies, folks with discretionary funds, expats etc) pump-up the volume of the BSE on an on going basis to alleviate the anemia mentioned????

    And let’s dismiss that the BSE is ANY MORE crooked than markets the world over.

    @David Mr Blogmaster, and neither is it any more manipulated (comparatively).

    When there can be a LIBOR scandal that clearly showed how those fellas played the game DESPITE all the regulatory agencies in US, England, Europe and Asia it’s rather ‘amusing’ to discuss manipulation of a market the size of Bim’s.

    What type of manipulation are you alleging? How does it adversely impact the trade activity? Who makes money from the manipulation to the market users disadvantage?

    Our BSE market is not unlike in BASIC terms why the Cheapside of Fairchild St markets were founded: to provide a central meeting places that sellers and buyers of products (company shares for BSE of course) could execute business more efficiently in a central spot and have those transactions regulated.

    Those produce markets could never aspire to be a big farmers’ mart like in UK or US and I see no rational reason why we should ever expect our BSE market to be anything other than the small practical meeting place for share buyers and sellers as it is.

    Anyone who wants to do exotic financial dealing whether its bonds (not an Exchange items really), the new fangled ‘Initial Coin Offers’ and other stuff will do so under auspices specific to that.

    And our populace is as literate financially as they WANT to be. We do Bajans a disservice by presuming that they are less au fait than the average American, Brit or Frenchy for that matter on fundamental matters of finance.


  35. Sargeant
    The size of our market is a hindrance to our development.That along with our traditional insularity makes us vulnerable to the bigger players.We are takers and always will be given our size and that stupid word and experience called “independence”, a farce if ever there was one.


  36. @ Sargeant and Dribbles
    Look, Bushie don’t normally argue about finance with poor people… for obvious reasons. But the size of the market is IRRELEVANT since the ‘size’ of the demand side is matched with the size of the ‘supply’ side. Wunna just hear people using shiite terms and think that it sound impressive.
    In the final analysis, only the liquidity potential of the market is important, and if you look at the SAVINGS accumulated by Bajans, then the stock market does NOT suffer from any size constraints.

    Put it this way. Perhaps only $2B can be squeezed out of the investment market, but the economy is so SMALL that $2B is more than adequate investment resources.

    Black Bajans do NOT invest in Barbados because the situation is such that people of the ilk of Allan Fields, Baloney, McConney, Bizzy etc are the ones that ALWAYS end up in control of the funds.
    They always end up rich, ….while the investors end up holding shiite, and foreigners owning the asset.
    ..Banks
    ..BL&P
    ..BS&T
    ..Cable &Wireless / Bartel
    ..BNB
    ..CLICO
    …the list is ENDLESS

    If the damn government had control of the credit unions, as we speak, COB would likely be the “Port of Spain Credit Union” and PWCCUL would be the “T&T Oilfield Workers Barbados Branch”.

    Who the hell but Hal would invest in such a climate?
    …except for Hal in his Bajan time-share scheme….?
    LOL
    ha ha ha


  37. Take a look at the ‘Stock Exchanges’ daily report on CBC TV.Its a huge joke that Barbados got the nerve to report activity.What activity?Place too damn small and forsaken by proper leadership.

  38. Theophilius Gazerts 101 and 233 Avatar
    Theophilius Gazerts 101 and 233

    Just read Gabriel post and it was exactly what I was thinking.

    Our mindset is what is killing us.

    We talk as if we are big players on the world stage when in reality we are just a small island with a minute economy. There is only so much that you can thief and mismanage in such a small economy before things start to fall apart. This is exactly what we are now experiencing.

    Stinkliar failure may simply be a result of him lacking the engine to move the economy where he wants it to be. The poor fool feel he is driving Porsche when in fact he is riding a stationary bike

    This is not doom and gloom, but cold hard facts.

    I had difficulty explaining to a young lady that although tourism was our number 1 industry, we were minor players in the tourist game. Our 0.5M annual visitors was a drop in the bucket compared to those on the move and who call themselves tourists.

    We have no sense of proportions, we do not know our limitations. We compare ourselves to the US but we are Lilliputians who look at Gulliver and think that we see our own reflection.

    Sadly, changing from a B to D administration is not the solution. To quote a well known phrase, we are simply rearranging chairs on the deck of the titanic. A population of 260K divided into two warring factions, a prescription for failure.

    B&D politics will be our death. We have to find away to engage the whole island and not just 50%.


  39. Barbadians who are financially literate prefer to be day traders playing the US markets.


  40. Goddards used to cater Air Canada from the Crane hotel for many years.As opportunities arose to cater chartered aircraft coming into Barbados from the US and in particular the U.K. Goddards saw and seized the moment that gave rise to the Barbados Flight Kitchen.Other scheduled carriers joined Air Canada and the many chartered operators to have BFK provision their passengers.The BFK did well but there was only so much they were able to achieve.Seawell was the only airport, Goddards now had expertise and what ever else it took to look regional and then international.A success story.


  41. Bushie, it is so difficult for you to speak in real terms!!

    Forget what I or Sargeant or anyone else sounds like or dat I poor as shiiteee or that we “hear people using shiite terms and think that it sound impressive”. Good Gosh my bro…cut the BS Goebbels fancy talk and be REAL.

    You said “Perhaps only $2B can be squeezed out of the investment market, but the economy is so SMALL that $2B is more than adequate investment resources”… Why yah PERHAPSING.

    As @Gabrel says above the daily trading volume is small. The total market value per the BSE is around $7 Bil I believe.

    Thus can you PLEASE (still) tell the blog how that is not small? Can you please explain how churning BS&T or EMERA or Goddards et al to only the so many interested participants can ever make us NOT anemic????

    The simple point @Sargeant made – and the others above @Gabriel and @Gazers – remains clear: we are a Cheapside market talking shiiittee as if we are the NY Stock Exchange or some such…

    You dismissed the man and that idea only to come back @ 7:11 PM to affirm that we small as a gnat.

    Look, enjoy your Gobble-gobble. It’s always awesome to see you use the Queens’ English so deftly to talk through both sides of your mouth so sweetly…no one does it better bro.

    And incidentally Black Bajans would be foolish to use your dictum re the white folks “ALWAYS end up in control of the funds…”

    The white boys got the funds now and had it before ANYHOW.

    If we invested in BS&T shares back in 90s or if we did NOT that would certainly not have stopped Fields one iota…he wud still drive bout that Beemer M5 he had and Doug Lynch would still have had big houses and cuss we asses in his racist way.

    If we Black folks had NOT invested the only jackasses to lose out wud be WE…certainly not Fields et al.

    In this zero Interest rate environment and badly devalued BDS $$ do tell oh wise one any of 10 investments (yah got lotta latitude to find a few) besides BL&P and C&W that returned a better value than a BS&T share bought over 20 years ago…

    NO BS…Just REAL talk!

    Your argument sounds absolutely absurd to me….but sweet as shiiittteee for your albino-centric Sat night corn and bread-fruit roasting session!

    Incidentally, I like my corn medium done …not too Black – that must be the albino side of me taking hold – soon come!


  42. @Dee Word

    Read the financial pages, scan the media, what do you conclude?


  43. @ David
    Dribbles has no clue of reality in Barbados….
    He run up in Canada – where brass bowlery has been patented, and trying to psychoanalyse us back here …where the national psyche has been conditioned by 400 years of the Barbados Slave code.

    @ Dribbler
    Look boss, investment can be successful, active, dynamic and positive EVEN within an extended family. If someone could establish a bond scheme where 300 people of various means could invest in a single family fund, that is then invested in transparent, productive, well managed, and high quality niche areas, then a VERY dynamic investment climate can be created.

    There are Indians all over the damn place that demonstrate this constantly.

    IT IS NOT A MATTER OF SIZE….
    In any damn case, what is an” impressively sized” market to you in Canada p- looks like shit against a current Chinese investment fund….. so what is the difference if a Barbados fund pales into insignificance compared to yours?

    The POINT is that the market NEEDS will also be COMPARABLY sized to the funds that can be generated. The KEY DIFFERENCE in Barbados is the closed-door, secret, dishonest, under-handed REALITY of such operations.

    If fund managers in the US could CASUALLY rob clients like a certain leper did in Barbados – and walk ’bout free as a bird….do you think people would continue to invest in such funds?

    If Boards could CASUALLY sell assets for WAY below value to foreigners – resulting in HUGE dividend losses to shareholders, and then be found to have become millionaires via the deal .. do you think that US citizens would continue to invest?

    Steupsss…


  44. @ Hal

    “The Bajan disease is that everybody is an expert, and quite vocal with it. Credit union banks will simply provide a service to local people, they do not have to compete with international banks.
    Sometimes if you do not know what you are talking about just keep quiet.”

    You are correct. What we have here is a negative mind set that is clothed in so-called facts that cannot stand up to serious scrutiny. Hence the object is to ridicule rather than discuss. There is no reason why credit unions cannot set up banks. Its really a natural progression and the negativity of one or two members should not be allowed to determine its growth.
    The argument that banks set up by credit unions cannot “compete” with multi nationals is nothing more than a red herring because the credit unions already have a solid consumer base that will welcome the offer of other services including banking. The growth of the credit unions knocks that silly argument about competing way over the boundary for six !!
    It is money deposited in the credit unions not peas and corn.


  45. You guys just don’t get it. Nobody is opposed to credit unions owning banks in Barbados. We have gone to the next step to identity concerns/questions. The total credit union movement in Barbados in asset size compares to the smallest bank in Barbados. Secondly we have already discussed that the movement is split on the idea and some of us have asked why. Does it make sense to add the concerns repeated above? Get a grip, we are pass the concept of diverse ownership and onto the next stage of how do we operationalize.

    #steupe


  46. William Skinner December 17, 2017 at 1:31 PM #

    Here is the UK, after the 2008 crisis, we have had a number of what we call challenger banks – small banks that compete for customers with the big high street banks that were (and are) closing branches and forcing people on to internet banking.
    They are doing very well. Some local authorities (Essex, Cambridge, eetc) even wanted to re-introduce mortgage banks.
    @William, all it takes in Barbados is an amendment to existing legislation. Nothing more. The political class has a failure of imagination and their stubbornness won’t allow them to take proper advice.
    A few years ago Invest Barbados organised a London seminar on financial services in Barbados and I introduced them to the director of our most successful challenger bank – a man who loves Barbados and stays at Sandy Lane every year. It was pushing against an open door, trying to get them to open a branch in Barbados. The chairman even visited Barbados on a recce. The whole thing was messed up.


  47. @Hah
    ….all it takes in Barbados is an amendment to existing legislation. Nothing more.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    What legislation needs to be amended?


  48. @ Hal
    We are challenged by our lack of vision. We want change but we wish things to remain the same. In many countries there are small banks serving communities. In our minds the only banks that exist are Nova Scotia, Barclays and Canadian Imperial. Many of the ” experts” on BU will be shocked to learn that small businesses drive the U.S. economy.
    We seem to be permanently shackled by our minds and like to spout forth a whole heap of recycled garbage about the IMF and so on , not realizing the time has come to be “craftsmen of our own fate”.


  49. A parallel story in today’s Nation:-

    Rate blow
    BARRY ALLEYNE, barryalleyne@nationnews.com
    Added 17 December 2017

    The decision by a commercial bank to lower the interest rate on savings deposits to a paltry 0.01 per cent could eventually have a serious effect on the cost of living in Barbados.
    Bemoaning the move by Scotiabank to reduce its interest rate on deposit savings from early next year, former president of the Barbados Economic Society, Jeremy Stephen also believes it could have a long-lasting effect on Barbados’ credit union membership, which also saves heavily at commercial banks.
    “With the high level of taxation in Barbados, the cost of doing business will continue to grow. The cost of goods in this country will continue to rise, so people could expect to pay more for goods and services in the coming year simply due to this move by the banks,” Stephen told the SUNDAY SUN in a recent interview.
    “This is of a great concern to many who are considered savers, especially in an economy where liquidity continues to climb. If there is excess liquidity in the banking sector and profitability is low, you try to save where you can,” he added.
    Last week, Scotiabank informed its customers that come January 7, 2018, it would be reducing the interest rate on savings deposits to 0.01 per cent, but would be willing to meet with them to discuss their savings plans. (BA)
    Please read the full story in today’s Sunday Sun, or in the eNATION edition.


  50. Many of the ” experts” on BU will be shocked to learn that small businesses drive the U.S. economy.

    Not just the US, but the global economy That is the damage that Owen Arthur as inflicted on the Barbados economy by selling BNB. By the way, has the small business unit ever set up or funded any small businesses? If so, how many since it was created?

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