I will give you my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands – National Rifle Association [NRA] bumper sticker
Philinte: Do you wish harm to all mankind?
Alceste: Yes, I have conceived a terrible hatred for them –Act I, Sc 1 -“Le Misanthrope” -Moliere [1666]
An apparent misanthrope, of a twisted mind and hell-bent on taking as many people as possible with him as he shuffles off this mortal coil, fortified by a bizarre official interpretation of a Constitutional amendment that ostensibly relates to a collective entitlement but that has been construed as permitting any lunatic with enough wherewithal to arm himself to the teeth with high powered weaponry, sends his girlfriend home to the land of her birth, rents a luxury hotel suite overlooking a concert venue in Las Vegas and proceeds to murder no fewer than 58 innocent souls assembled to enjoy the music, thereby giving the lie to the popular slogan that “what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!”
The media will record that this abyssal conduct on his part was a new record for the most people ever murdered in a mass shooting in the US. The resultant “human cry”, as it is put in the Barbadian mondegreen, sounds like so much crocodile tears in a country that can place men on the Moon but that seemingly has not grasped the notion that permitting a near unlimited civic right to bear arms and thus to use them however might lead inexorably to these sorts of tragedies.
I have explored before in this space my own interpretation of the notorious Second Amendment that is utilized as the vehicle for this dubious and enabling right. According to the text of the provision;
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Given that a militia does not comprise one individual solely, and given the primacy accorded that body in the structure of the text, one might very well be tempted to read the amendment as empowering the people to keep and bear arms purely for the purposes of forming the necessary well-regulated militia for protecting the security and freedom of the state. This, however, has not been the construction that has found favour with the Supreme Court charged with the overarching interpretation of the Constitution.
In its 2008 decision in District of Columbia v Heller, the Court, by a five to four majority, iterated that the Amendment protected an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defence. Further, they held that the prefatory clause in the Amendment that I rely on in my argument to control its spirit does not in fact limit or expand the second part whose text and history connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms.
The justices also made reference to the amendment’s legislative history, noting that it was the product of a response to the fears of the anti-federalists that Federal Government would disarm the militia in favour of a standing army or a select Federal militia. The Second Amendment was thus enacted to deny Congress the power to abridge the “ancient“ right of the people to keep and bear arms so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.
Moreover, although it did not form part of the ratio of the decision, the Court noted that at least three (3) states’ proposals had referred unequivocally to the individual and not merely collective right. The law seems to be settled given that the Supreme Court is at the apex of the system, unless a future Court ids minded to overrule this precedent.
As distasteful as it may be, the media have made much of the record number of those killed, a record that is likely to be inevitably broken so long as the status quo continues. An instructive WhatsApp post in one group last week, explored the illogic behind the individual right to bear arms whereby a youngster, thirteen years of age, is appropriately unable to purchase alcohol, cigarettes or adult magazines, but is nonetheless able to secure the supply from a dealer of a high-powered firearm intended for the sole purpose of ending a life, even if not necessarily that of a human being.
Veteran Congressman Steve Israel, in an op-ed piece in the New York Times last Monday, also addresses the issue of the likelihood of a reprise of the Las Vegas massacres. He puts it bluntly, “ In the wake of one of the deadliest mass shootings in our nation’s history, perhaps the most asked question by Americans is, and “Will anything change?” The simple answer is no. The more vital question is, “Why not?”
Israel recounts his failed attempt as a freshman to introduce legislation to require safety locks on certain guns when he failed to gain the support of a fellow freshman Democrat who begged off on the ground that “In my district we close the schools on the first day of hunting season”.
He relates too his disappointment after the murder of 26 children and adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012 and the image of President Obama with tears running down his cheeks. His thoughts that finally something would be done were dashed when the debate morphed into one over the rights of gun owners rather than the right to life of young schoolchildren. Some congressional colleagues, he writes, confided that any vote for gun safety would lower their NRA scores and increase the probability of their demise in the next election.
The identical scenario was to obtain after the mass shootings in the Orlando, Florida nightclub in June 2016 and the failure of a proposed amendment to prevent people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms, opposed by the Republican chairman of the House Appropriations Committee on the basis that “in America, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.”
This principle is not peculiar to the US, but according to an October 2 article in the online newsmagazine Vox, there are 29.7 homicides by firearm per 1 million in the US people as compared to 1.4 in Australia and 1.6 in New Zealand, two jurisdictions that embrace the identical presumption.
Congressman Israel offers finally three reasons why nothing will change. First, he notes, the gun lobbies are now in a race to the bottom to see who can become more brazen and more extreme since more moderation means less market share. Second, the political right now adheres to the view that anything less than total subservience to the gun lobby is perceived as supporting gun confiscation, anathema to that sector. Third, there is the public inoculation to gun violence –“You’ll read this essay and others like it, and turn the page or click another link”, he writes presciently. You’ll watch or listen to the news and shake your head, then flip to another channel or another app. This horrific event will recede into our collective memory….”
Exactly what the gun lobby is counting on.
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To add some much-needed balance to this one-sided presentation, let me say this: Every year, more than 30,000 Americans die in automobile accidents. The. annual death toll from “senseless” mass shootings has averaged less than 350 for the last 5 years. And, as feminism takes hold, it is a matter of time before the gun control lobby prevails.
@chad99999
Not withstanding your comment does it explain the fact that bump stocks can be purchased with relative ease.
“Given that a militia does not comprise one individual solely, and given the primacy accorded that body in the structure of the text, one might very well be tempted to read the amendment as empowering the people to keep and bear arms purely for the purposes of forming the necessary well-regulated militia for protecting the security and freedom of the state. ”
The constitution initially designed the right to bear arms against any government that seek to violate the people’s rights…
“mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/Submit
noun
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.”
Chadster….you are lying.
Murder by gun:8,827
Homicide: 12,903
Must check the databases before you start with the lies..
On average there are nearly 12,000 gun homicides a year in the U.S x 5 year = 60,000 thousand gun related deaths in 5 year increments.
This is US 2017
Murder by gun:8,827
Homicide: 12,903
And that does not even include the Vegas terrorist with 58 shot and killed….
……and we are still in October, still 3 months to go to add to the count in US.
How US mass shootings are getting worse.
http://bbc.in/2hO6ggX
“Lies, damned lies and statistics”
I am not going to hurt my head trying to figure out how you arrive at 350 deaths per year over a five year period..
I guessed one could take the 30, 000 car deaths and comes up with 5 car death per year, if one only counted those killed by a blue Mercedes driven by a one-armed man.
“wunna think peeple silly”.
“Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens), and 33,636 deaths due to “injury by firearms” (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).”
http://ow.ly/GIBb30fIPjs
Mass shootings has an archive all its own that is quite impressive, gun violence is a very lucrative business which is three fold for the racist NRA, sells guns, cull the ethnic minority population, fill the prisons.
Washington Post
TRUMP PROMISED TO END THE “AMERICAN CARNAGE.” GUN DEATHS ARE UP 12 PERCENT.
July 27, 2017
Trump promised to end the “American carnage.” Gun deaths are up 12 percent
Newsweek
THERE HAVE BEEN MORE MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE U.S. IN 2017 THAN DAYS
August 30, 2017
There have been more mass shootings in the U.S. in 2017 than days.
There have been more mass shootings in the U.S. in 2017 than days.
There have been more mass shootings in the CITY OF CHICAGO OF BLACKS in 2017 than days. AH LIE?
If I want to kill my ex-wife, I’ll probably use a gun.
If I can’t get a gun, I’ll find another way to kill her. With a car, a knife, or by strangling her with my bare hands.
That’s the intent GP….that’s why NRA offloads it’s weapons in the inner cities, who does not die, goes to prison, the prisons are privately owned and managed by…..guess who.
“If I can’t get a gun, I’ll find another way to kill her. With a car, a knife, or by strangling her with my bare hands.”
All of that is presuming she is not like me and get ya first….lol
RE “You’ll read this essay and others like it, and turn the page or click another link”, he writes presciently. You’ll watch or listen to the news and shake your head, then flip to another channel or another app. This horrific event will recede into our collective memory….”
HOW TRUE
YA KNOW WHY?
THE HEART IS DECEITFUL AND DESPERATELY WICKED…..WHO CAN KNOW IT
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WRONG DOERS
THE PROBLEM IS NOT GUNS……..IT IS SIN. IT IS FOLK WHO HAVE INHERITED THE SIN NATURE ACTING OUT.
GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE……….PEOPLE DO
Here we go again engaging in silly tit for tap debate. Why cant we agree that the screening process in the US leaves room for improvement? Why cant we agree that to buy a revolver the screening process is more robust than for a semi automatic weapon? Isn’t this a good place to jump off if we accept that the second amendment is here to stay?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20171007/news/imbert-last-govt-burn-up-6-billion-in-2-years-three-weeks-ago-we-had-enough-to-run-country-for-5-minutes
This is what the persistent recession & wreck less spending by previous governments does to current administrations and the country.
Even oil rich countries like Trinidad 🇹🇹 is not immune from such opposition…..folly !!!
In Barbados 🇧🇧
• The US $ 80 million GREENLAND fiasco stands out ! Even some 20 years of mad 😡 spending a sweetie or toffee wrapper can’t be dumped at GREENLAND………but the financial debt incurred has to be repaid !!!
• The US $ 700 million DODDS PRISON fiasco stands out ! As Attorney General MAM was repeatedly warned to improve the conditions at Glendiary ! But not a favorable response from MAM !! So 15 years after the Treasury Dept. have to find US $ 30 million every 1st January to pay for MAM wreck less spending !!
And just imagine MAM wants to come back to do more WRECKING !!!!!
Nah……..
Dems NOW……..Dems AGAIN !!!
“Wreckless”…new word for thiefing by both governments.
Semi and full automatics should be banned from US peroid.
Countries in Europe and Canada itself that have strict gun control, they do not have this level of carnage and outright coldblooded murders…period….those are exceptions only..
…..mass murder and individual murder in US is the rule with guns being the popular weapons of choice.
@999 Wow, that is some unique reasoning you’re putting forward today. Sounds like you’re a Republican representing your constituency, the NRA.
Anyway, can anyone hazard a guess at the State Department’s instruction to the local US Embassy if we had as many mass shootings in Barbados with children thrown into the mix and culminating in 58 people being murdered in the most recent butchering? The only right to bear arms should stop with the emancipation of Muslim women.
Chad99999
Seek HELP, for the system your program crashing ,and general election not call yet,BU will welcome you back
There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. U.S. population 324,059,091 as of Wednesday, June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.000000925% of the population dies from gun related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
• 65% of those deaths are by suicide which would never be prevented by gun laws
• 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
• 3% are accidental discharge deaths
So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, so it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So if all cities and states are not created equally, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault all is done by criminals and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That’s why they are criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
• 40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
• 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths
• 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide)
Now it gets good:
• 200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer in Chicago than when you are in a hospital!
• 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.). A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides……Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions!
So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? It’s pretty simple.:
Taking away guns gives control to governments.
The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs.
So the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force at the command of Congress can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power.”
Remember, when it comes to “gun control,” the important word is “control,” not “gun.”
“Violence is as American as CherryPie” H Rap Brown. The US gun lobby is so relentless and successful in pursuit of its goals that laws accessing guns were relaxed in the wake of Sandy Hook. There are guns in schools,church,work and on the streets. A drive around Las Vegas would reveal more gun shops than Supermarkets. Nevada is one of 45 States where “Open Carry” is legal, I visited a home in a gated community in Vegas and the security guards at the entrance were armed and I don’t think we understand the American fixation with guns.
This talk about restricting access to certain types of hardware is doomed to failure despite the “support” from both sides of the legislative aisle.
Jeff should make this article an annual affair we will be here again.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified
Jesus, we have seen young blacks being executed. Only a moron would consider this as justified.
• 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – gun violence
And the innocent who get caught up in drive by or crossfire don’t count.
Are you only valuing one set of lives? A smart guy like you should be able to sift racist shit (no matter how mild it is)
I wish there were no guns anywhere but the US has a very long history of guns, it is part of the culture. What is a little island like Bim doing to stop gun violence? Should be fairly easy to disarm the illegal users and prevent importation. How about 5 yrs to start when using a gun in any criminal act?
TO/ Can has strict gun controls but who has plenty nuff guns here –CRIMINALS. Who are very willing to use guns to kill and maim? Criminals.
Disarm the Criminals first!
MoneyB…ya missing the whole point…the gun manufacturers and NRA are the ones arming the criminals, how else will they get wealthy off death, destruction and imprisonment of US minorities….your reasoning is indeed screwed….
…the bans should be applied to gun manufacturers and NRA…they are the real criminials, since there is now the trickle down effect of guns they manufacture, in the Caribbean…guns are not manufactured in the islands.
by extension….the minorities and other criminals on the island who import the guns by boatloads and container loads are the distributors, the real criminals, they are the ones who need to be disarmed and imprisoned.
Gazer,
No doubt some police shootings are dead wrong eg Tamar Rice in Cleveland, the 17 yr old in Chicago where Emanuel hid the video etc. Also in the case of white victims who few seem to be aware of. Policing needs some work but society in the US needs more ie Education/ training / HOPE.
I virtually never hear people state how difficult a job policicing is especially in major cities. BTW I watch real criminal/ police shows/ activities and another major myth is that “he was a teenager”—teenagers are very dangerous and kill frequently without any half assed reason.
Exactly how many Police shootings are not justified? There was a major condemnation of Wilson in the Mike Brown shooting prompting “hands up dont shoot” yet the DOJ under Eric Holder did not press charges, why? How many people understand the full story?
How many cases where the public believes that the Police were wrong actually are proven to be wrong? Do people still consider cases where the Police were found to be doing their job correctly, as negative regarding the police?
when you want to stop destruction, you take out the source of the destruction, not the targets of the source, then ya only succeed in leaving the source, gun manufacturers, NRA…in large cities…..and minority criminals on the island….to find other available targets, in a never ending cycle of greed, injuries and death….in exchange for wealth.
Going back to Sargeant’s comment about guns in the US space and apple pie. To paint a picture of what we are dealing with, the Gun Silencer Bill has been delayed in the USA. The upside is that Ryan is promising to look at bumps stock legislation. Around and around we go!
Money Brain,
How familiar are you with law enforcement?
WW, I fully agree to throw the book at anyone partaking in criminal activity especially leading to death. There is just no way that Americans will give up their guns, it is too late for that ie 400mn++ guns too late. SAD but true.
Interesting stat, 13% of homes in the US are burgled when the residents are home but 60% in the UK. Why? British dont have guns to defend themselves.
We all should know that the gun business in the US is very strong and influential BUT so is Pharma where the pay certain people to approve drugs pre-maturely–just look at the Opioid crisis–people are dying in droves, losing everything through addiction.
WW, guns dont kill—HUMANS KILL. Even ISIS has figured out that vehicles can kill loads of people ie 82 in Nice, more than Paddock and his ACCOMPLICES!(ISIS, Antifa, Washington Swamp Dwellers ?????)
What has any US Admin really conducted to solve major, obvious problems in the USA ie crime, poor education, healthcare, welfare abuse etc etc.????? The country is run by the Elite Controllers for themselves.
Even the NRA is calling for tighter controls.
Hal,
What exactly is your point?
I do know that there are bad apples in any barrel BUT policing is easily one of the toughest jobs in the US, especially today where some people are claiming that they are all bad which is ridiculous.
I am just curious, apart from newspaper and media reports, how familiar are you with law enforcement?
@Moneybrain
Sensible people are saying that the police forces in the US needs cultural awareness training, that is all. How can all policemen be bad?
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/01/05/americas-police-problem-isnt-just-about-police-guns-violence/
There is certainly room for debate on the Police but let’s focus on the gun issue and the fact that the US Congress couldn’t even pass a law restricting those on the US Gov’t terrorism “watch list” from accessing certain types of weapons
That should be “no fly list”, in other words you can’t fly but here is a handy AR 15
@ David
1.”Here we go again engaging in silly tit for tap debate……..”
We should not encourage dogs to such our neighbors eggs; eventually they would such ours. I say no more
Once again in an act of pure bad manners, we find the hi-jackers trying to mash up the discussion. In a ll fairness, Jeff is one of the few academics who freely enlighten us with his knowledge. Don’t we at least owe him some level of respect. We seem to believe that because we write under fictitious names, that we can just be plain rude.
An organ that can be a real force is being driven to the ground by a vicious assortment of mice.
Sargeant,
Apart from the UK, European police are routinely armed, but there are not as many shootings of members of the public as in the US. The question is why? Does US policing have unique problems?
..What has any US Admin really conducted to solve major, obvious problems in the USA ie crime, poor education, healthcare, welfare abuse etc etc.????? The country is run by the Elite Controllers for themselves..
it is not, never was and and never will in the best interest of the greedy,selfish, murderous 1 percent to fix any of that, they will continue to pay out billions of dollars to keep everything as is, to benefit them only…..
…..thats the evil that resides in the dead souls of whites and others..
The NRA exists to ensure that white racists Americans can legally own guns and to ensure they have enough “fire power” in case of any perceived “uprising” by blacks.
@Hants
Who can sensibly rebut your comment? Even this JA that was shot by a sniper, here is his response:
http://verifiedpolitics.com/congressman-got-shot-just-gave-startling-response-new-gun-reform-proposal-watch/
Blogmaster David your 10:36 captures the debate succintly…as does the coda of Jeff’s piece: political will is the fundamental issue.
Incidentally, it should be noted that the gun silencer bill appeared headed for passage … but the dearh of 58 people has likely ended that. Prior to this tragedy the debate on that bill followed the standard liberal-conservative script and liberals were strangely losing.
Consider that a key argument is that a silencer simply reduces ear damage fcr gun users and is thus essentially a good thing according to NRA type acolytes.
Consider also that the auto repeat function afforded by the bump stock was illegal to be installed but could be legally purchased. The best analogy I read was the use of speed radar detectors back in the 80s n 90s: they were illegal for use in many US states but you could purchase them basically anywhere.
So….silencers were likely headed for same fate. Illegal to be affixed to a hand gun and most long guns but one could legally tender cash or credit to acquire one or two….. Now, it will be well nigh impossible to get passage on either of those. Thank heavens.
One last consideration….if Paddock had acquired a few ear protection devices (silencers) …the ratta-tat-tat would have been ping-ping off barricades and psst of exploding flesh….no real loud noises from his room …longer to isolate his location…longer period of mayhem!
Australia and English pols have shown the political will to circumscribe their (Aussies particularly) gun culture but since well nigh over 100 years there is absolutely no such ability to achieve that in the US.
@Chad, your argumentation is totally illogical. If you are going to use cherry pick stats to form a specious argument then why not cherry pick the stats which shown that of the developed nations the US is over 50% more racked with gun violence/mass shootings etc than her peers….she is also the only one with the sea of guns available to every Tom n Mary!
Why not bring some illogic to that fact.
@ William Skinner,
embrace the “freedom” to read and write what you like.
The majority of bloggers don’t give a flying puck about good manners and respect.
You are free to scroll past what offends you.
pity the Scalise gunman could not shoot straighter…3/4 of these congress idiots have no clue what they are talking about…
…Scalise’s hesitation to support an outright ban comes in spite of the fact that the sale of automatic weapons manufactured after 1986 is already illegal.
Bump stocks inherently enable semi-automatic weapons to act as automatic weapons….
Believe it or not there is a conversation starting to build in the US questioning the validity of the Second Amendment:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?mtrref=t.co&assetType=opinion
@ David,
Hand guns are for killing people.
Shot guns and rifles for hunting birds and deer etc.
Automatic rifles are for killing as many people as possible.
@Hal A
I don’t want to spend time on the issue of Policing, in short order I would say lack of psychological culling, lack of education and racism.
@Hants
A succinct concise definition of the issue. This is where sensible discussion must start.
The real problem is that of policing philosophy. To protect and serve raises question of protecting whom, serving what? To maintain law and order also raises question of whose law, what order? To keep the peace? Whose peace?
Then how do we execute all these: SWAT squads; baseball caps and jump suits; heavily armed paramilitary policing; uniformed community/neighbourhood policing? Policing with the consent of the people?
Surely there is an urgent need for a debate of policing in the early 21st century.
Pedantic,
The USA does not have identical peers. The US started out as a gun culture, Wild West, and they still love their guns. Went to Dallas on a Business trip in 1986 and one of my female cousins, not from Texas originally but NJ, did not come to see me, why? Bird hunting season at a peak.
RE LV and Paddock —the police took 72 mins to get to his room, WHY????? Any idiot could have figured out where he was by bringing a Mandalay Bay employee outside to locate which floor as in 35 storey hotel minus 3 floors =?????? Powerful people involved in this!!! Open season on Country Music people as they are likely gun owners and more likely Republican.
WW,
Who can say for sure that LV was not part 2 of the PLAN, just as PT 1 was killing Scalise and Co? Who can prove that the far Left of the DEMonic Party is not very aggressive and spoiling for serious Civil strife bordering on war? Antifa are planning something major on Nov 4th, they better choose carefully where they cause trouble OR the excrement is going to intersect with the oscillating device.
@Moneybrain
You argument is too narrow. To your other comment about timeline of the arrival of the p9lic3 on the 31st floor. Here is a timeline, official:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-stephen-paddock-mandalay-bay/