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Jeff Cumberbatch – Chairman of the FTC and Deputy Dean, Law Faculty, UWI, Cave Hill

Last week, the first part of this column treated the submission by Sir Hilary Beckles, Vice Chancellor of the University of the West Indies, that the statue of Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson had outlived its incongruous presence in Heroes Square and that its continued presence there makes Barbados a deviant and a pariah in the community of progressive nations that oppose publicly revering persons (such as Nelson) known to have committed โ€œcrimes against humanityโ€.

In that first part, I also bemoaned the absence of a popular discourse on the Vice Chancellorโ€™s proposal, an absence that I found mystifying. In the past week, however, there has been some public reaction to the proposal, most of it predictably defensive of preservation of the status quo rather than of its alteration by one jot or tittle.

For example, in last Fridayโ€™s edition of the Barbados Advocate, a correspondent, Mr Michael Rudder, chose to pray in aid the undeniable reality of the criminally forcible mix of the races present in most if not all slave societies and to wonder โ€œif any of my African ancestors were responsible for selling any of their โ€œbrothersโ€ to those who carried on the slave tradeโ€ while he admits knowledge that the family of one Caucasian ancestor did have slaves.

He then proceeds to make the amazing rhetorical point that since we are all mixed, โ€œwhat does it matter that some ancestor was a so-called white supremacist? And he continues still rhetorically, โ€œDid your ancestor see him/herself as such? Do we see ourselves as black supremacists?

Essentially, he makes the point that we should acknowledge our history and move on and not โ€œkeep holding up the rear mirror of our pastโ€.

It is tempting to read this opinion in a sense clearly not intended by the author and to treat it as an agreement with Sir Hilaryโ€™s thesis that officially to maintain the statue of Lord Nelson in its current location is to hold up the rear view mirror of 1813 Barbados when Nelson was a hero to the existing societal structure, the identical structure that was to be the target of a slave rebellion a mere three years later, officially recognized by the elevation of one of its reputed leaders to the highest national status. Indeed, there is a bit of a paradox in having both of these men elevated to this lofty status, even if that status of one of them is now merely situational.

It is a conundrum that seems to pervade Barbadian society, where the general attitude appears to be โ€œI do not really care what they do about Lord Nelson, but he is part of our historyโ€ OR the more extreme and silly, โ€œif we move Nelson then we should remove all traces of English influence, including place names, titles and perhaps surnamesโ€ฆโ€

Veteran columnist Patrick Hoyos in his column last Sunday required โ€œsome sort of consistent rationale if Nelson should be movedโ€ although he did not spell out what would constitute such consistency or who would be the ultimate arbiter of it.

Mr Hoyos also appears to have interpreted Sir Hilaryโ€™s letter in a way different to me. He construes the following passages from the Beckles letter as indicating that Sir Hilary would not have minded Nelson remaining standing so long as he was overlooking Carlisle Bay contemplating his exploits beyond the horizonโ€ฆโ€

โ€œ The Democratic Labour Party turned it around and deepened its roots when it had the opportunity to move it to a marine park on the pier.

โ€ข The Barbados Labour Party did not wish the Right Excellent Errol Barrow at the centre of Parliament Square and placed him out of sight of the Assembly in what was a public car park. Nelson remained in the more prominent placeโ€.

Perhaps owing to my professional training, I prefer to base the gist of an opinion on the interpretation that what is stated later should generally overrule an earlier statute or decision that is inconsistent with it through the doctrine of implied repeal. I prefer to ascertain Sir Hilaryโ€™s sentiments from his final paragraphs-

โ€œThe assumption is growing, I have been informed, that the Government might rather citizens, in an act of moral civil disobedience, to take matters in their own hands, and remove the offending obstacle to democracy. This has been the case in the United States and South Africa.

Quietly, state officials could slip away and say that the people have spoken. Such alliances of active citizens and passive state have moved many societies. Barbados must move on.โ€

This most assuredly does not read as a paean to a mere relocation of the statue to me.

O Dominica!

I should wish to express my sincere best wishes for the full renaissance and recovery of the island of Dominica after its devastation by Hurricane Maria during last week. Owing to my occupation, I have come into contact with many of the people of that island whether as teachers, classmates, or most latterly students, and they have been without exception, some of the most gracious and warmest people you will ever encounter. Dominica was also the first country that I slept in outside of Barbados when as a member of the Animation Choir under the leadership of Mr Harold Rock, I sailed there by the Federal Palm, I believe, in 1968. I do not remember much of it now; except partaking of the sweet lime fruit and hazarding a taste of stewed mountain chicken.

My more recent visits unfortunately have been severely limited in duration and in free time, but I have seem the photographs of the recent destruction wrought and I weep for the country I remember.

O Dominica, the land of beauty

The land of verdant and glorious sunshineโ€ฆ


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499 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – “…The Ball that Shot Nelson” (2)”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    “The truth is that the events which started 1450 AD (circa) and continue to this day, having been birthed for 1000 years โ€“ in the Dark Ages โ€“ represents a departure from anything which ever happened before on earth.”

    Yep..Pacha…well complete and it was not difficult with all these halfwits standing around yearning to be white, without even realizing that it is just a concept, a diseased state of mind created by those who walked in darkness, now they are all stuck with it…lol

    Hence the reason I continually mention darkness, that diseased demon these imps of darkness carry and continue to breathe life into came straight out of the dark ages, the reason why so many of them jumped on trump, evil revisited….

    ….now they are forever stuck in darkness, most likely for another thousand years…as they deserve.


  2. Pachamama September 25, 2017 at 2:23 PM

    Chuckle……You and WW&C deserve each other,do enjoy a long and fruitfull life together and may your multiples have Bushie as the godparent.

    This whole colour thing really has driven you and your ilk mad lacking all ability in comprehending the human species.


  3. @Theophilus Gazerts September 24, 2017 at 8:43 AM “Then we have his sycophant who would make us believe that blacks are the minority or are non-existent in Barbados. In Vincentโ€™s and Johnโ€™s Barbados some group called the Pelaus is the majority.”

    The truth.

    http://www.barstats.gov.bb/files/documents/PHC_2010_Census_Volume_1.pdf
    Table 02.03: Population by Sex, Age Group and Ethnic Origin, page 51
    In 2010 Barbados had a population of 226,193
    209,109 identify as black
    7,034 identify as mixed
    6,135 identify as white
    3,018 identify as east indian
    381 chose not to state
    231 identify as other
    163 identify as oriental
    122 as middle eastern

    Barbados is a majority black country, because when asked 209,109 said black.

    If 50,000 Frenchmen can’t be wrong, then 209,109 Bajans can’t be wrong either.

    The truth=Barbados is a majority black country.

  4. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Vincent is fraudulent, i keep telling you that, he is trying to refine evil by rewriting what he thinks the majority black population should be with him making the choice, to suit him and financially benefit and his like minded ilk but not this time….the spiritual powers are all aligned against them and will take them all down, each and every one.


  5. Simple Simon

    You should know better…..that question as I said to the Gazer is answered by the questioner, its hardly asked….when reviewing mine I put mixed.

    Again you know that only a DNA test that can say what you are…..and yes as Bushie said many albino centric Bimmers,so you can say you are anything….not a problem…truth cannot be changed however.


  6. @John September 24, 2017 at 3:52 PM “If you really think about it, August 1st was never a big deal here either.”

    Maybe not for white people like you.

    But for black people like me August 1 was always a big thing. Always celebrations. Always.

    But the white people on the plantations nearby never joined us.

    i wonder why?

  7. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ Vincent Haynes September 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM

    Jane clearly knows her Tarzans from her apes, big and small.

    She can spot an Alpha bully in any primate form from a mile away.

    After all, that 96% DNA similarity between promiscuous man and the โ€˜sensuously sexyโ€™ bonobo is based on science and not religious mumbo-jumbo of Adam & Eve โ€˜making outโ€™ in an imaginary garden somewhere in the Mesopotamia alluvial plains.

    One wonders if the Trump aping groomers on BU like the Beta Male Chad 9×5 and Quaker John would agree with Lady Jane that Trump is just a silly chimp dressed as an orangutan and behaving like a mad gorilla?

  8. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    In 2010 Barbados had a total population of 277, 871..

    so if you add the children in every household to the census, who were left out when they counted by category…there will be an even higher majority of blacks making up the population, live with it, you will never be able to change it..

    Vincent has really become too obsessed with changing the islands population from a majority black country...to what he wants...its become pathetic and dangerous…..and borders on the psychotic.

    to suit and financially benefit him and his like minded ilk but not this time..

  9. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    7,034 identify as mixed

    aint enough of you on the island to do anything either, no matter how proud ya are…loo


  10. I can understand non euro tribed americans having a grouse with the system that appears geared to marginalising them.

    A Bimmer who controls his own country in 2017 for 51 years is still grumbling about the non existent plantocracy still in awe of something called whiteman rather moving forward like most other Bimmers…..sad.

  11. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ Simple Simon September 25, 2017 at 3:06 PM
    โ€œIn 2010 Barbados had a population of 226,193
    209,109 identify as blackโ€ฆ.โ€

    Simple S, are you sure that 2010 total population statistic of 226,193 is quoted correctly?
    If so, why is that figure much than the 285,000 plus quoted ad nauseam for all sorts of reasons?

    How can a population move in less than 7 years from 226,000 to 285,000 (approx) when the demographic trend is one of an aging population underscored by a declining birth rate and which has raised alarms so high as to invoke the call by a minister of the Crown for Bajans to breed like rats while promoting the use of condoms and the practice of chaste relations between young males and females?

    Now you canโ€™t blame the foreigners especially the Guyanese for this discrepancy in outcome of Bajans secret promiscuity and adultery!

  12. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @vincent haynesw

    Race is cultural construct; therefore the racial categories of Black and White are cultural constructs. My own DNA heritage is 75% African and 25% European. I am a Black man. John said his DNA heritage is 79% European, 19% African and 2% other. I identify him clearly as a White man.

  13. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    which makes no sense, not even when reading it twice, but i guess it makes perfect sense to you..lol

    the only problem the island, the majority population has it`s the governments not working for and protecting the majority population, as soon as they realize that is why they are elected…to work for the majority population…then ya will see how much control the majority have over their own country.


  14. @millertheanunnaki September 25, 2017 at 3:54 PM #
    Now you canโ€™t blame the foreigners especially the Guyanese for this discrepancy in outcome of Bajans secret promiscuity and adultery!

    Keep talking. They feel that Bajan men are bad, but they don’t really know Bajan women

  15. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ vincent haynesw September 25, 2017 at 3:51 PM

    Maybe the only way the white man can get the black monkeys off his back is to offer them peanuts and called it compensation for their black ancestorsโ€™ back-pay.

    Yes, retroactive pay morally and legally due to their black ancestors equivalent to what their white masters received as unjustified compensation for loss of property in the nasty wretched trade sinful enough to make John Newton puke in his โ€˜Amazingly Gracefulโ€™ grave.

    After such contrite recognition of this glaring oversight the black man and woman would not have a leg to stand on to look back anymore in anger and blame every other race under the Sun for their โ€˜continuingโ€™ socio-economic stasis.

  16. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Vincent is trying to erase all black identity from the island, he better dont take that nonsense to black conscious youth, he will be strung up…

    … no one is preventing him from identifying with what he wishes, but just the idea that the majority population identifies as black have him in a mental meltdown…

    i dont know why he dont just get it over with and self identify as white, his hearts yearning and leave everyone else alone…maybe it`s because he would be laughed at…lol


  17. @vincent haynesw September 25, 2017 at 3:27 PM Simple Simon. You should know better…that question as I said to the Gazer is answered by the questioner, its hardly asked.when reviewing mine I put mixed.”

    Not true. Not true at all.

    The Barbados census is actually taken door to door by trained census takers.

    Unlike you I have actually worked as a census taker in Barbados. We are carefully instructed to take the information from the person we are interviewing. We are instructed not to assume anything.

    One of my own second cousins said mixed, and I put mixed on the census form although I had always though of him as black. A foreign born woman living on a plantation told me she was mixed although looking at her she appeared to be white. I put mixed on her form.

    The Barbados census is actually very carefully taken. We are carefully instructed. The questions about race/ethnic group are “not answered by the questioner”

    If you had a full beard and a deep voice and told me female. Female would have gone on your form.

    Although errors can occur. In another census when answering for a member of my household who was not present I made the error of saying Anglican. When that member came home I was corrected and told that that member was in fact agnostic.

  18. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    In 2010 Barbados had a total population of 277, 871..

    Miller…that was the population for 2010…wikipedia has it at 285 presently.


  19. @millertheanunnaki September 25, 2017 at 3:54 PM “Simple S, are you sure that 2010 total population statistic of 226,193 is quoted correctly?

    I provided the link and the page number. You can check it yourself.


  20. Simple Simon

    All I will say is that I may have had a lapsed census taker and I will negate stories of census takers doing a district from home.

    The overarching point is that only the DNA test can state your origins and ethnic construct.


  21. PLT

    Over millennia the human race as we know it has been tribal and geographic e.g. A nubian soldier in the Roman army could become a citizen of Rome…….for his life he would be known as Nubian which is his area of origin and Roman by citizenship if acquired.

    This cultural construct that you refer to was introduced around 500 years ago by the euro tribes. The first time in known history that a physical difference between tribes based on melanin content was used which was later turned to question the intelligence of the captured African tribe……note never the African kings who the euro tribes lavished with praise,presents and monetary recompense in gilt or barter…….aided and abetted by the churches.

    Interesting how in one breath objecting to things european and yet in the same breath buying into a construct that their tribes use to this day to create disharmony within the human race.


  22. Simple Simon September 25, 2017 at 3:28 PM #
    @John September 24, 2017 at 3:52 PM โ€œIf you really think about it, August 1st was never a big deal here either.โ€
    Maybe not for white people like you.
    But for black people like me August 1 was always a big thing. Always celebrations. Always.
    But the white people on the plantations nearby never joined us.

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I never witnessed any in my youth …. just like I never heard of a Calypso Tent in Barbados in my youth!!

    I knew folk songs ….. Millie Gone to Brazil ….. Dandy Moriah etc but never thought of them as Calypsos.

    Calypso was Trinidadian and in my day never the two would mix …. even though my father was born in Trinidad and Mother here.

  23. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger September 25, 2017 at 4:19 PM
    โ€œIn 2010 Barbados had a total population of 277, 871..
    Millerโ€ฆthat was the population for 2010โ€ฆwikipedia has it at 285 presently.โ€

    The miller is not swallowing that hook made from the metal of statistical manipulation and arithmetic bullshitery of the same brand that emanates from the mouth of the Bajan MoF( ka Minister of Failures).

    Simple Simon has sworn on her dead father the pie-manโ€™s grave that the โ€˜correctโ€™ estimate is โ€œ226,193โ€.
    Now you are quoting a guesstimate of 277,871?

    In the absence of a proper census how was that 285,000 arrived as at August 2017? Taken from the arithmetic hat of Magician Stinkliar who canโ€™t tell the difference between his 9 inch tongue and his 6 foot Pinocchio nose? Or was it taken from the voters’ register padded for the 2013 elections?


  24. The concept of the “Negro Nations” arose when Europe was in the Dark Ages and did not start there.

    Coming out of the Golden Age of Islam an Islamic Scholar defines where the “Negro Nations” were.

    “The Nile begins at a large mountain, sixteen degrees beyond the equator at the boundary of the fourth section of the first zone. This mountain is called the Mountain of the Qumr.35 No higher mountain is known on earth.

    Many springs issue from the mountain, some of them flowing into one lake there, and some of them into another lake.

    From these two lakes, several rivers branch off, and all of them flow into a lake at the equator which is at the distance of a ten days’ journey from the mountain.

    From that lake, two rivers issue. One of them flows due north, passing through the country of the Nubah and then through Egypt.

    Having traversed Egypt, it divides into many branches lying close to each other. Each of these is called a “channel.”

    All flow into the Mediterranean at Alexandria. This river is called the Egyptian Nile. It is bordered by Upper Egypt on the east, and by the oases on the west.

    The other river turns westward, flowing due west until it flows into the Surrounding Sea.

    This river is the Sudanese Nile.36 All the Negro nations live along its borders. ”

    This was written sometime in the 1400’s.


  25. If you look at Ligon who was present in Barbados between 1647 and 1649 200 years later, you will see he also uses the term Negro, but he uses it to differentiate Negroes from Christians, not Englishmen or Europeans.

    Here is what he says:

    “When I came home I spoke to the master of the plantation and told him that poor Sambo desired much to be a Christian.

    But his answer was that the people of the island were governed by the laws of England and by those laws we could not make a Christian a slave.

    I told him my request was far different than that for I desired to make a slave a Christian. His answer was that is true, there is a great difference in that:

    But once being a Christian he could no more account him a slave and so lose the hold they had of them as slaves by making them Christians and by that means should open such a gap as all the planters would curse him.

    So I was struck mute, poor Sambo was kept out of the Church as ingenious, as honest and as good a natured poor soul as ever wore black or eat green.”

    A decade later, the Quakers are establishing themselves on Barbados and George Fox instructs his followers on how they should treat their slaves and Indians.

    You see freedom being granted to slaves who became Christians.

    By 1676, there is a law passed forbidding Quakers from having slaves at their meetings which became a “dead letter” in 1810 because there were no more Quakers!! – Schomburgk

    It is clear freedom was based on belief and belief came by choice and Quakers tried to get their slaves to convert and become free.


  26. @millertheanunnaki September 25, 2017 at 5:03 PM “Simple Simon has sworn on her dead father the pie-manโ€™s grave that the โ€˜correctโ€™ estimate is โ€œ226,193โ€.

    I didn’t swear anything.

    i simply provided the link to the official 2010 census.


  27. You see the term African and Barbadian used in the 1817 slave returns.

    Negro is not used I think because of the differentiation between Christian and non Christian.

    At that time all slaves were viewed as potential Christians.

    If you look at any return in Barbados, there are those two clear classifications.

    If you look in each of the two classifications, the terms coloured and black are used as further sub classifications.

    So, it was possible to have an African slave who was coloured …. or black.

    It was also possible to have a Barbadian slave who was black …. or coloured.

    At the time the various denominations were busy Christianising the slaves who were no longer classified as Negroes.

    The terms Free Negro or Free Coloured or Free Mulatto referred to a Free person …. a Christian.

    After 1834, all records ceased referring to persons by their colour.

    Everyone was considered Free, and a Christian.

  28. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    Miller…Simple referenced page 51…but page one gives you the estimate

    Table A
    Estimated Resident Population, Tabulable, Institutional population and
    the Undercount by Sex May 2010

    Population Both Sexes Males Females
    Estimated Resident Population 277,821… 133,018… 144,803

    Tabulable Population 226,193 108,271 117,922

    Institutional population (not
    included above) 2,513 1,573 940

    Estimated Undercount 49,115 23,174 25,941

    Percentage Undercount 18%

  29. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    tabulable population count left out institutionalized people as well as children.

  30. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    the right term for people of African descent is…AFRICAN, always has been always will be, since the original name change, …

    …..who are you to want to change that, most have ebony skins referred to as black, people are very proud of their rich African heritage, you cant water it down and dilute it to some nonsense spinning around in your head…turning a rich culture hundreds of thousands of years old into some fly by night fantasy.

  31. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    the original name for Africa.

    The ancient name for Africa before it was hellenized was โ€œAkebu-Lanโ€. Which means โ€œMother of Mankindโ€ or โ€œGarden of Edenโ€

    The name Africa was given to the continent by the Romans. Africa was also called: Kemet, Corphype, Olympia, Libya, Egupe, Hesperia, Ortegia, Ethiopia, Ta Merry and Sedan. The ancient name for Africa before it was hellenized was โ€œAkebu-Lanโ€. Which means โ€œMother of Mankindโ€ or โ€œGarden of Edenโ€

  32. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    …Black people is a term used in certain countries, often in socially based systems of racial classification or of ethnicity, to describe persons who are perceived to be dark-skinned compared to other given populations. As such, the meaning of the expression varies widely both between and within societies, and depends significantly on context….


  33. John

    I am referring to pigment….the terms yellow,red,blue black,black and white,when did they come in to our parlance?

    As I posited over millennia a person was known by their tribe or geographic origin and gave the example of the Nubian joining the Roman tribe which Rome at its height had individuals from many geographic locations as well as pigmentation as Roman citizens.

    The role of the church in the transatlantic slave trade was a heinous one.

  34. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    if and when people with dark skins want to change their description to self identify….it will be totally up to them…not up to VIincent or anyone else especially those who are loathed to identify themselves as African or black..

    some black people think mixed race are mutts.


  35. the terms yellow,red,blue black,black and white,when did they come in to our parlance?
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I suspect it depends on the country and its history.

    I am going to go out on a limb here and say that after 1834, Negro as a reference to a person ceased use in Barbados.

    Everyone was considered to be a Christian by virtue of baptism and education after slavery.

    If you look at the US, Negro was used as a term to refer to black (coloured?) people up to the 60’s before being replaced by black.

    Negro from what I have seen in our history did not refer to the colour of a person’s skin it referred to Christian belief.

    I can’t remember anyone around me using the term negro when I was growing up in the 60’s.

    But it was different in America.

    It is not possible to transfer the use of English from one country to another without being thought of as mad or deranged, wicked or evil!!

    I have seen the N word used to refer to all colours, in fact I was once called a red N word by a Rasta!!

    IF you look at how Fox refers to slaves in 1657 you will see that he does not use the term negro, he uses the term black, because he believed God was in all persons.

  36. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent Haynes said “only the DNA test can state your origins and ethnic construct.”

    You are still missing the point. DNA testing indicates genetic heritage; do not confuse this with either ethnicity or racial identity. My two sons each self identify as Black; they are Canadian/USA dual citizens a genetic heritage that is 37.5% African and 62.5% European. Their “ethnicity,” in so far as it is identifiable, is Canadian.

    Ethnicity, genetic heritage, racial identity, Citizenship; please don’t keep mixing these things up.


  37. PLT

    Look up the meaning of the word construct and then tell me how if differs from heritage.


  38. The role of the church in the transatlantic slave trade was a heinous one.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Generalisations always fail.

    Depends what you call a church.

    How many Quaker Churches can you find in Barbados?

    None.


  39. John

    You have presented many snippets on the Quakers in BIM,could you draw them together e.g. rise and fall with reasons as well as its high point and legacies.

  40. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger.

    PLT…that is what happens when those who have no right, try to rewrite his-story with their mixed up fantasies, they dont know when to leave well enough alone….

    ….l 2 generations from now when we are moltering in our graves, these new generations will decide how they want to self identify, most of them, your children and mine are way further ahead and understands how these things wprk, because their intent is to neither belittle or demean, control or enslave any group of people…they have no time for that.

    My kids shift with what works for them, if being white as recognized in some areas works for them, they go with that, no one to stop them, they are entitled if being black and/or other works for them they go with both or all 3, they did npt ask for any of the nonsense….because it’s manmade and they are flexible…and that too shall pass…in their lifetimes.

    Man loves to create destructive shit and then want to rewrite and recreate to suit themselves instead of letting it alone to evolve.


  41. 1649 – 1676 Persecution, but also control … taxes paid by them!!, strong links to America

    1676 – 1760 American links, Control, stability, Pennsylvania 1681, Act of Toleration 1689

    1760 – 1780 American links, State of flux, strong anti slavery stance

    1780 – early 1800’s Changing of the guard in Barbados, Abolition of the Slave Trade

    I’ll set you a puzzle.

    https://www.surfnetkids.com/independenceday/258/who-signed-the-declaration-of-independence/

    Take the names of the signatories to the Declaration of Independence and see if their ancestors are linked to Barbados?

    I’ll start.

    Lewis Morris.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Morris

    His Great Grand Father Richard Morris died in 1672. The uncle of Richard Morris was also Lewis Morris of whom is written in the Journal of George Fox on his visit to Barbados in 1671:

    “The Lordโ€™s blessed power was plentifully with us; and although I was somewhat straitened for time, three other Friends having spoken before me, yet the Lord opened things through me to the general and great satisfaction of them that were present. Colonel Lewis Morice came to this meeting, and with him a neighbour of his, a judge in the country, whose name was Ralph Fretwell, who was very well satisfied, and received the Truth.”

    Believe it or not, Barbados was once extolled as the Cradle of Truth!!! Google it!!


  42. It is no good looking at the riches derived from sugar.

    There weren’t any!!

    But, here are some of the signposts of values around Barbados that summarise the Quaker experience in Barbados and which made it once, the “Cradle of Truth”

    Choice
    Prerogative
    Rock
    Hope
    Content
    Friendship
    Harmony
    Union


  43. John September 25, 2017 at 4:51 PM #

    I never witnessed any in my youth โ€ฆ. just like I never heard of a Calypso Tent in Barbados in my youth!!

    Calypso was Trinidadian and in my day never the two would mix โ€ฆ. even though my father was born in Trinidad and Mother here.

    @John You are right. In my youth calypso and folk or soul did not mix. Then David Rudder created, or was a leading light, in the merging of soul and calypso, creating soca.
    I am still a pre-Motown soul man.

  44. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @John September 25, 2017 at 11:36 PM #
    “It is no good looking at the riches derived from sugar.”
    I already proved that you are completely wrong about this by citing the relevant research John, yet you persist in your lies. The evidence of sugar profitability is incontrovertible, but you have no need of evidence…


  45. John

    Thanks will follow through there.

    Question… Why does a BBC documentary indicate that the riches of the Cumberbatch family came from BIM?


  46. I have never looked at the Cumberbatch family but will have a look see.

    Did the BBC say when the riches were accumulated?

    Just guessing I would say it was after the slaves in Haiti destroyed its economy in 1791 and drove the price of sugar up threefold … but I will check.

    I know the early owners of Nicholas Abbey was not Cumberbatch but maybe they are related so will have to take a look see.

    Was there a Cumberbatch link to Guyana or Trinidad?

    That’s where the land is …. Barbados is a pin prick!!


  47. How Benedict Cumberbatch’s family made a fortune from slavery (And why his roles in films like 12 Years A Slave are a bid to atone for their sins)

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549773/How-Benedict-Cumberbatchs-family-fortune-slavery-And-roles-films-like-12-Years-A-Slave-bid-atone-sins.html#ixzz4tnInhicj
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    A snippett on his connection to Cleland plantation……..an interesting lineage also connected to the Mayflower and Presidents…..were they Quakers?

    The plantation was purchased in 1728 by Abraham Cumberbatch, Benedictโ€™s seventh-great-grandfather. It remained in the family until slavery was abolished in the 1830s, when it was owned by Benedictโ€™s great-great- great-grandfather, Abraham Parry Cumberbatch. Slavery built the Cumberbatch fortune, which at its height in the mid-18th century made them one of Britainโ€™s wealthiest families, owning at least seven Barbados sugar plantations and a stately home near Taunton, Somerset.


  48. “Africans, slavery occupies a minor time frame. Some of the most notable civilizations in human history come out of Africa.”
    AFRICA BEFORE SLAVERY | Africa’s History did not Start in Slavery
    Africa’s history did not begin in slavery, and despite the peculiarity, horror, and duration of enslavement of Africans, slavery occupies a minor time frame. Someโ€ฆ
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  49. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ Vincent Haynes September 26, 2017 at 10:16 AM
    โ€œThe plantation was purchased in 1728 by Abraham Cumberbatch, Benedictโ€™s seventh-great-grandfather. It remained in the family until slavery was abolished in the 1830s, when it was owned by Benedictโ€™s great-great- great-grandfather, Abraham Parry Cumberbatch. Slavery built the Cumberbatch fortune, which at its height in the mid-18th century made them one of Britainโ€™s wealthiest families, owning at least seven Barbados sugar plantations and a stately home near Taunton, Somerset.โ€

    Isnโ€™t it passing strange that many white Bajans sound rather similar in linguistic intonation to those indigenous to Somerset, a county known for sourcing much of the early white indentured labour for Barbadoes arising from the English Civil War and Cromwellโ€™s political cleansing of the religious rebels?

    Sir John, our own resident researcher, โ€˜twistorianโ€™ and archivist can verify.

    Cricket was not the only cultural thing the Bajan plantocracy had in common with Somerset.

    Now Taunton Great House(s) would be an ideal start to be compulsory sold to raise funds to settle a long overdue debt for the still outstanding back-pay for the old Bajan Uncle Black Joe, Brother Sambo and Voodoo Auntie Tituba who slaved on the Cumberbatchโ€™s tropical manors all their blackened lives.

    The settlement of this debt can go a long way towards the building up of a pot of funds to finance some higher education scholarships at the Universities of Somerset and Bristol for academically eligible black Bajan students as their chances of attending UWI become more and more a dream of EWBโ€™s past.

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