Submitted by Mohammed Iqbal Degia
Senator McClean, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Yesterday, July 7th, a majority of the world’s nations voted at the United Nations to approve a treaty banning nuclear weapons. Officially called the Treaty on the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons, it aims for the ultimate destruction of all nuclear weapons and the prohibition forever of their use. The treaty will open for signature in September and once fifty countries have signed on, it will enter into force. The negotiations on the treaty had been taking place for many months, culminating this week in New York. The nine nuclear armed countries and some of their allies had boycotted the talks arguing that nuclear weapons were a necessary deterrent required by international security concerns.

Disarmament issues were one of the areas under my portfolio when I represented Barbados at the United Nations and I still have former colleagues from around the world involved in disarmament matters. Some of them posted on social media today expressing their happiness at the successful conclusion of the negotiations and there were even some photos taken of the voting board. The vote had been passed with 122 countries voting in favour, 1 against and 1 abstention. Imagine my shock when I saw nothing next to the name of Barbados. Barbados had chosen not to vote! Yes Barbados had chosen not to join most of the world’s countries in an international effort to rid humanity of a weapon of mass destruction capable of destroying countless people in one strike.

For the life of me, I cannot fathom why Barbados chose not to support the treaty. First, as a small island developing nation we are more vulnerable than most countries to the threats facing the world, whether environmental, economic or security. Any use of a nuclear weapon in our region would devastate us and our neighbours with our small land masses and dependence on the sea around us. Nuclear weapons are an existential threat and as a country we have always opposed them. Why would we suddenly change our stance? Second, this recognition of the severity of the threat posed by nuclear weapons led to the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean establishing the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean (Treaty of Tlatelolco) in the 1960s. The Treaty resulted in the establishment of the world’s first nuclear weapons free zone (NWFZ). Barbados is a party to that Treaty and I fail to grasp how we can adopt an antagonistic position on a universal treaty with similar disarmament intent. Barbados, Dominica and Nicaragua were the only three countries from the 33 Latin American and Caribbean countries party to the Treaty of Tlatelolco to not vote. I am unaware why Dominica and Nicaragua did not vote but what interests me most is ascertaining why Barbados opted to act like it did.

Five years ago in 2012, Barbados also chose to vote in a contrary manner to most of the world. On that occasion it was the UN General Assembly vote on Palestinian statehood, a course of action that lacked in principle and betrayed all the comments successive Barbadian administrations have made about self-determination. While I remain fundamentally opposed to how Barbados voted then and the justification offered by the Prime Minister for its vote was nonsensical, I understood why it was done. The Zionist pressure on his government was not something he of his Foreign Minister could resist, especially when a prominent Christian Zionist holds much sway with their party. Political and economic expediency trumps principle every time when it comes to politicians. On this instance though, I am at a loss to comprehend why Barbados would have a problem with an international treaty banning nuclear weapons.

134 responses to “What Possessed Barbados to Withhold Support for a UN Treaty Prohibiting Nuclear Weapons?”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    It would be interesting to know which idiot(s) represented Barbados at the UN..

    You are dealing with a modern day slave society, the representatives on the island still carry a slave mentality, a slave persona, they stand for very little and can easily be swayed by anyone willing to purchase and sell them for a measly amount….hence the hesitation in voting, just waiting to see which way the wind blows.

    They would sell the whole population in exchange for that vote..

    It is a disgrace.

  2. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    If it was McClean….she is as dumb as a rock, not even air between her ears.


  3. Well Mohammed (now there’s a good old Bajan name) perhaps, dumb as a rock as the rep may be, she is not quite so dumb as to join in meaningless virtue-signalling. No-one is going to give up nuclear weapons. Perhaps you should just announce your home to be a nuclear-free zone, and bask in your own virtue-signalling.

  4. Robert MacDonald Avatar
    Robert MacDonald

    It may be enlightening to know of which of those countries that opposed the ban provide aid to Barbados. Everything has a price.


  5. Another interesting link:

    https://www.un.org/disarmament/

  6. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    South Africa was forced to give up official apartheid through united world pressure.

    The berlin wall was forced to come down through world pressure.

    The soviet union was forced to abandon communism through world pressure.

    Nuclear armanents can be banned totally through world pressure…

    …… it’s so typical of the small island, visionless, blind slaves not to see this and expound, uneducated nonsensical excuses in an international forum.

  7. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Dont you dumb, emptyheaded people get tired of exposing yourselves as uninformed, miseducated nuisances, only good for accepting the next measly bribe.

  8. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Typical bajan mentality, refusal to stand on principle as a united front for anything that is good or wholesome which in this case by not voting involves stabbing someone in the back, every country including themselves that is vulnerable to nuclear attack, they stabbed themselves in the back by showing they stand for nothing,….

    ……..that is what was displayed at the UN…for the world to see… for.a second time.


  9. While I have no idea why the Government chose to abstain from the vote we are discussing, I am glad that they did so.

    As long as some countries arm themselves to the teeth with nuclear weapons, it is counterproductive for so many other countries to voluntarily forgo the nuclear option. I would like to see medium-sized countries like Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, South Korea and the Philippines develop nuclear weapons because that would likely reduce the number of active disputes around the world and limit the influence of the world’s most aggressive states.

    Want to put Israel on a leash? Want to give British, French and American imperialists something to think about?

    As the nuclear weapons programs of India and Pakistan have shown, one of the best ways to prevent war is to arm the contending parties with weapons of mass destruction. That usually keeps the hotheads in check.


  10. @chad9999

    Should citizens be speculating why we have voted the way we have? What does our solo position mean for Caricom and operating as a single vote to the rest of the world?


  11. David

    As you know, my opinion of CARICOM is unprintable. In any case, it is not likely that states as different from one another as Jamaica, Guyana, Trinidad, Antigua, St. Lucia and Barbados can maintain the kind of foreign policy coordination that CARICOM seeks to achieve. The region’s diplomats just mindlessly imitate their European and Latin American counterparts when setting up their objectives.


  12. BLOG MASTER- WHAT THE FU_K

    ONLY have LIKE comment and have to sign in. Is this some form of political monitoring?


  13. When you are hopelessly in debt to all and sundry it should come as no surprise that your decisions and actions seem to be arbitrary and erratic….
    That is the very definition of a puppet.

    With so many of our strings out there to be pulled, how is it a surprise that we are being played for fools…? Wuh If Froon cannot muster the balls to deal with the thieves and idiots in his cabine….how the hell could he be expected to deal above board, with international terror mongers like the nuclear armed states?

    Steupssss …. this is a non story…
    ….similar to one about someone kicking a hungry, mangey, stray dog.
    That is just the way it is.


  14. David, nothing wrong with speculation in matters like this. Makes not a jot of difference….the vote itself doesn’t change one damn thing and practically why we abstained changes nothing either re our regional posture.

    But for anyone to signal that proliferation of weapons of mass destruction is practical and a good thing is beyond commonsense.

    Pakistan extended their hegemony n influence by exporting this tech to NK…one or two degrees of separation more and the imperial countries we so love to live and visit and get the riches could have has vast swatches as waste land. Life as we know it would cease!

    Yet we engage simplistic chatter that proliferation is needed.

    Kim will posture but will never send that first nuke unless his doc tells him that he has 6 months to live and that none of his sons will succeed him…so let’s hope he lives forever.

    Nukes in the hands of ISIS/AL Queada is doomsday. So let’s hope the imperialists CAN control where these weapons are developed.

  15. Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well @ Consequences Observing Blogger

    …as long as nuclear weapons are available, they can and will be used.


  16. @De Word

    Let us try to stay focused on the prize. Why did Barbados vote the way it did on the UN matter and what are the implications read how we want to manage our geopolitical affairs. Is it a political platform issue, should it be? What does it portend on all fronts.


  17. I have nothing of importance to say about how Barbados votes in international for a, but the alarm bells for me rang when I read……….”Five years ago in 2012, Barbados also chose to vote in a contrary manner to most of the world. On that occasion it was the UN General Assembly vote on Palestinian statehood, a course of action that lacked in principle and betrayed all the comments successive Barbadian administrations have made about self-determination. While I remain fundamentally opposed to how Barbados voted then and the justification offered by the Prime Minister for its vote was nonsensical, I understood why it was done. The Zionist pressure on his government was not something he of his Foreign Minister could resist, especially when a prominent Christian Zionist holds much sway with their party………”

    For whom the bell tolls…? I have warned previously of New Barbadians and the agenda they will try to impose on our nation. The future is now here and it is going to get worse..

  18. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Hal…I am curious, do you know who that “christian zionist” is who have grown bkack men and women in parliament as his beckoning slaves, or do you know that group of zionists….

    ….. just so you know, it is not the same as muslims.


  19. David

    This is the argument we made a few days ago.

    You were of the opinion that the North Koreans were irrational about testing nuclear weapons

    These tests will continue as long as non-nuclear states continue to be threatened by nuclear weapons states, especially the Western states.

    We are slightly forgiving about Russians because they have never used nuclear weapons and under Gorbachev offered the US a deal for both countries to destroy all their nuclear arsenals.
    A deal turned down by Reagan under pressure from the military industrial complex.

    These same people today now seek to demonize Trump about relationships with Russia, Putin. War and nuclear weapons particularly give them meaning, money, power.

    And yes, it betrays common sense for Barbados not to be on the side of those who are seeking the de-nuclearization of the world as promised over 50 years ago by nuclear-weapon states.

    Until then we should expect more North Koreas.


  20. David

    Before bulling Barack Obama left office he committed one trillion dollars for the further development of the American nuclear arsenal.

    For these people to spend this kind of money on foolishness like this they must have an enemy. And the fake enemy of Islam has proven less reliable than the old nemesis of the Soviet Union (Russia) was.

    Not that the Pentagon thinks a nuclear war is winnable. Most people know they will be no winner. However, ‘enemy’ nuclear weapons justify budgetary demands as national priorities.

    It is merely a food. A way of tefffing money from health care, and other human needs. A con game.

    Even conventional weapons produced by the USA can cost up to a 1000 times more than when others produce the same or similar devices.

  21. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    EWB….said he was a Jew.


  22. Barrow was lots of things to lots of people.


  23. @Pacha

    Can’t disagree. The vaccum left by the breaking up of the Soviet Union had to be replaced.

  24. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Chad99999 July 8, 2017 at 7:54 AM
    “While I have no idea why the Government chose to abstain from the vote we are discussing, I am glad that they did so.
    As long as some countries arm themselves to the teeth with nuclear weapons, it is counterproductive for so many other countries to voluntarily forgo the nuclear option. I would like to see medium-sized countries like Iran, Egypt, Iraq, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, South Korea and the Philippines develop nuclear weapons because that would likely reduce the number of active disputes around the world and limit the influence of the world’s most aggressive states.
    Want to put Israel on a leash? Want to give British, French and American imperialists something to think about?
    As the nuclear weapons programs of India and Pakistan have shown, one of the best ways to prevent war is to arm the contending parties with weapons of mass destruction. That usually keeps the hotheads in check.”

    Chad the 45 degree maverick, sometimes we have to marvel at your 360° convoluted contortions in trying to call a spade a spade.

    On this occasion we must agree with your contention that arming all big players with MAD nuclear weapons is the ultimate move in the geo-political zero-sum game.

    And your contention is abundantly supported by the incapacity of your idol Donald the Trumpeter of pure hot air where North Korea is concerned.

    What better weapon of absolute deterrent than one being at the finger tips of a power-stricken septuagenarian deranged twerp with an absolutely funny-looking hairstyle and another in the dictatorial hands of a genetically-induced schizophrenic megalomaniac with an even more outrageous hairdo?

    Mother Earth has been at this nuclear tipping point before. She has even forgiven and further accommodated the parasites called Pan Sapiens who were recently upgraded with alien technological know-how of nuclear fusion in an attempt to replicate in miniature form their nearest ‘god’ star.
    As Above, so below!

    Every 26,000 or so year there is always that need to reset the clock to cull the parasites in order to give Mother Nature (Gaia) a rest to recharge her battery of resources to sustain life on this planet.

    Pachamama would appreciate where we are coming from and indeed heading even in the face of Bush Tea’s BBE looking through the circular window of time.

    Who, next time around, would be mankind’s avatar as the Age of Aquarius flows from above like a jar of water fully on the forgetfully vulnerable species?

    “Gurkha, flying a swift and powerful vimana [fast aircraft],
    hurled a single projectile [rocket]
    charged with the power of the Universe [nuclear device].
    An incandescent column of smoke and flame,
    as bright as ten thousand suns,
    rose with all its splendour.
    It was an unknown weapon,
    an iron thunderbolt,
    a gigantic messenger of death,
    which reduced to ashes
    the entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.
    The corpses were so burned
    as to be unrecognizable.
    Hair and nails fell out;
    Pottery broke without apparent cause,
    and the birds turned white.
    …After a few hours
    all foodstuffs were infected…
    …to escape from this fire
    the soldiers threw themselves in streams
    to wash themselves and their equipment.”

    Extracted from the ancient Hindu text: Mahabharata.


  25. David

    Barbados has always been a lackey ass country.

    We have budding politicians insisting on the old ways

    Despite it being clear that the old ways will work no more

    There is not one person prepared to fast to the death outside Parliament to bring international recognition to this truism, the failure of the system.

    Far less 1000 willing to give life to bring this regime to its knees.

    When we go to Kensington Oval and see the same oval built at Lords, in England

    That should tell us where the Bajan mind of 2017 (2007) is firmly located

    No wonder we could not transform cricket when we were ‘kings’ of this colonial game.

    And if we could not make ‘a cricket’ in our own image

    How the fu*k can we transform economy, infrastructure, self?

  26. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Miller

    Chuckle………..on point…..

    Mother Earth needs no protection,let the nimbles eradicate themselves with nuclear weapons,she will live on.

    …….and forget this rubbish about man made climate change biggest scam ever invented next to religion.

    ……as the Dinosaurs went so shall we as well and allow ME to wrap herself in her cocoon of ice for a well deserved rest as she has done many times over millenia.

  27. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Miller?………all the talk, the Chadster dont want to be turned into any nuclear crispy critter…which will be very likely to happen should his master the orange clown trump gets a whiff that he may not live another year……..

    ……..he will take his 60 million trumptards with him, you know he loves an audience….I do not see him leaving the earth alone….lol


  28. @Pacha

    Isn’t the aspiring politician aware of the need to be popular to win the vote? Barbados is a country gripped by the force of the duopoly, a platform promising change that is so radical to upset the traditional definition of what is good politics will ensure defeat by any budding politician ALTHOUGH we say we want change.


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  30. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    For Hal Austin’s benefit…..despite all that he thinks he knows.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/98522/pay

    Former Acting Supervisor of Insurance Vernese Brathwaite was sent on leave by government to protect thiefing Leroy Parris and the CLICO scam, at taxpayer’s expense, when she tried to do her job of regulating CLICO…

    Seven years later, she is still being paid by taxpayers and is not required to work, you know why, because the reason she was sent on leave could result in a massive lawsuit against government, sending a civil servant on leave so that the ministers’ friend Parris can rob CLICO policyholders does not qualify as a valid reason to fire a civil servant….so it is cheaper to keep her, with taxpayers footing that bill.

    “GOVERNMENT HAS PAID more than $1 million to two senior public officers who did not drive a stroke for up to seven years.

    The two had been sent on special leave, but continued to earn their salaries.
    In what a trade unionist has described as “a coward’s way out” of dealing with matters head-on, the Freundel Stuart administration has paid former Commissioner of Inland Revenue, Sabina Walcott-Denny, her annual salary, excluding allowances, of $135 024, or a total of $540 096 over the four years she has not worked.

    Former acting Supervisor of Insurance, Vernese Brathwaite, who has been on leave for seven years, is being paid her annual salary of $98 087, or $686 609. (MB)”


  31. Miller is right let the nice muslim countries look after the world’s nuclear arsenal


  32. Lawson,
    Have you seen what our former UN representative is saying in his submission. He wants to bring Barbados in to the Palestinian conflict ‘on principle’, which he failed to do because of the Christian Zionist leading us astray. Lawson, this is the crackpot language you her in Bradford, Birmingham and East London in the UK. Kick them out, I say.


  33. @Hal

    Whenever you see Muslim or Hindu it is like a bull seeing red. Did you even read the submission and applied a basic level of comprehension? Must you bring generalized positions to any issue? He stated that Barbados voted contrary to the majority and it was not consistent with its known position. What is wrong with the inquiry? Do you know many Muslims in Barbados were born in Barbados and are bona fide Bajans?

  34. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Although I warned that fool..lol


  35. David,
    Generalised discussions are how we advance knowledge, arguments that are specific cannot be universalised. Generalised discussions lead to principles. Even with my basic level of comprehension that is clear. But, on citizenship, being born in a country does not automatically entitle you to citizenship. We now have a case here in London of a London-born Barbadian about to be deported for not being ‘British’. We need to change our nationality laws.
    As to seeing red when I see Muslims and Hindus, my glasses need renewing; but you are familiar with the Radical Wahhabis (you clearly have not read the post or do not understand it), but do a bit of reading about the BJP militants.
    I have said before, something that you clearly do not accept, the first thing people do when they travel is ‘put’ their culture in their suitcases.
    I have nothing against Muslims or Hindus living in Barbados as long as they accept out laws, values, including speaking in English and not setting up an alternative legal system, and do not try to impose theirs on us under the fiction of multi-culturalism. What is wrong with that?
    @David, Britain has messed up in a big way on this, I would hate to see Barbados go down the same route.


  36. Hal your point is taken but how would you carefully enunciate and advise the Bajan immigration home office to navigate these waters.

    That is said rhetorically really because already they (all of the regional govts) have set a problematic tone with the monetized citizenship offers. In short practical long term sensibilities are forgotten on the altar of forex greed.

    I went to school with kids who were of Hindi or Muslim extract. I thought nothing of it then nor for many years thereafter.

    In fact not until India won the world Cup and all these folks started to display their playing skills almost daily for weeks subsequently right there on the Harbour Rd did I truly register their numbers and how they (those who looked Indian/Mid Eastern) had enjoined stretches of the areas off Baxters Rd, Fontabelle and surroundings as their own.

    But those ‘they’ have grown inexorably as part of our community…for all I know blogger Pieces could be one of ‘they’ or Artax or much more.

    Do those ‘they’ consider themselves Bajan.

    Well maybe in the same way that those hundreds of thousands of British West Indians who sang so lustily and longingly and regaled their host country with seeming disdain when their WI brethren beat the color off the Brits back in those Black wash heady times…..and then went back to work and British life as the most devout of “citizens’.


  37. De pedantic,

    Easy. Non Caricom citizens wanting to settle in Barbados must have skills that are in demand, not low-skill occupations such as hotel managers, accountants, etc, but modern transferable high skills.
    They will be given yearly renewable visas, on condition that a Barbadian citizen shadows them; they will only be allowed to bring their partners and children under the age of 18; on reaching that age the children will have to return to their homeland. Elderly parents will not be allowed in.
    They must be competent in English and have verifiable CVs. In certain circumstances they have their visas renewed to a maximum of three years, after which the Barbadian shadow must be offered the permanent job, or in any case the immigrant will have permission to live in Barbados withdrawn. Marrying a local will not give any added advantage apart from the existing ones.
    In terms of other ethnic or religious practices, all priests and Imans must be Caribbean citizens and eligible to live in Barbados; all religious communication must be in English, including teachings in madrrasses. All foreign funding must be declared to the inland revenue and to the security services.
    And they must obey the law, must not join or fund any political parties and would not be allowed to vote as non-citizens. Any behaviour deemed to be against the state or a threat to the peace would be a deportable offence. And, finally, they would not be allowed to live in small communities or ghettoes.
    @De pedantic
    Selling passports is the most disgraceful policy these governments have ever created. Think about the Russian mafia and the huge sums of money they have access to. It is an example of failure of government.
    And no, whether they consider themselves Bajans or not – including the ones born in Barbados – birth rights are irrelevant.
    There are numerous examples: Britain since 1983, Caribbeans in Panama and the rest of central America, Germany until recently – the list goes on.
    Being a citizen of Barbados should be highly prized. Britain made this mistake and we are now seeing the consequences.
    ,


  38. @Hal

    How does your comment address the earlier inquiry that there is a generation of Bhanas, Degias, Moses et al who were born in Barbados and possess passports. You really need to stop.

    On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:

    >


  39. David,
    Stop what? You have a self-deluded idea that you are well informed and knowledgeable, you are not. You seem not to understand elementary arguments; plse re-read what I have said, having a passport should not make you a citizen. That is my argument, whether you were born in Scandinavia and came to Barbados at an early age (one of your earlier silly arguments) or naturalised.
    You seem to have an objection to people have differences of opinion to yourself, sometimes you can even become abusive.
    Your proper role is as referee, not expressing any opinions, just guiding the forum. It is one of the only legitimate times that a pseudonym should be used – to allow you to express an opinion.
    I know BU is your toy and you can do what you like with it, but do not pretend it is an open forum when if someone expresses a view you do not agree with, or regularly do not understand, you explode.
    No, I do not accept Pakistanis as Barbadians if they were second, third or fourth generation. Barbados is a little island and we are the guardians for future generations. We are at present betraying those unborn traditional Barbadians.
    You seem to find that a ‘challenge’.


  40. @Hal

    You don’t worry about BU David’s role, worry about your comment. And your kind of xenophobic nonsense has no place in the discussion. You are entitled to your jackass opinion- like Donald Trump- it does not mean others have to agree.


  41. Seems as if they are several persons posting under the pseudonym ‘Hal Austin’
    One moment: sensible and logical (9:53)
    Next moment: a degree of paranoia and nonsensical attacks

  42. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    This will get out of control because for centuries, US, UK and Canada in this region of the world, after stealing land and everything else from others, created the ugly immigration laws and put up borders to continue centuries of torment in the lives of everyone….to continue to enrich themselves…only.

    And the blind cannot see.

    And the blind will continue to fall into the traps set for them.


  43. David,

    BU is your toy. To have a view on citizenship is to be xenophobic. Exactly what I said. Stick to the ideas and stop attacking the man, you are the one responsible for the negative views in the forum. Leadership comes from the top.
    If you and the majority of Barbadians are happy with the direction of Barbados, then that is fine; I just want future generations to know that we all did not curl up and gave in.
    As to worrying about you, God forbid. I think you should be the impartial referee and stop intervening on one side or the other. But, typically, you have a view and must express it. You compare me with Trump, was that a challenge?
    Big nations can take in people of all races, ethnicities, religions and none, but Barbados, just over 100000 acres (the size of a sugar plantation in Australia and Brazil) cannot afford to. We are building a future for a divided society.
    If after nearly 400 years blacks and whites in Barbados are still divided, even though our collective futures are intertwined, what do you think will happen with a people whose very culture is based on caste, who define some of their people as ‘untouchables’ and who, even now in 2017, beat up people for being black. Do you really think when they come to Barbados they will change?
    Go to Durban, Mombasa, East London, Bradford and have a look at the future.


  44. @Hal as I said before your point is taken at the core but David’s point is also strongly made.

    Yes there are serious caste issues in India and of course there is harsh racial tension that could decimate this plantation size country, but how can we simply adopt very xenophobic rhetoric coming as we are as accidental citizens of this plantation ourselves.

    There can and must be harmony within the disruptive realities of immigration.


  45. De Pedantic,

    There must be compromise, that is the issue. To think I live in the most multi-racial city in the world and am xenophobic is silly. I am simply looking at the problems in the UK, where Britain went wrong, and suggest why we should not go down the same route.
    @We now have caste issues in the UK, which we did not have in the 1970s, for example, along with all the other problems.
    There can be harmony and that can only be achieved by putting the secular state above ethnic and religious sensibilities, which some groups do not want to do. For example, I have called for the secularising of public space.
    As a boy brought up in a Pentecostal church on my mother’s side, and Bethel Methodist, on my father’s, to secularise public space is a huge price to pay, but one I am prepared to pay for public peace.
    What that means is that nuns, priests, vicars, imans, etc will not be able to wear their gowns/uniforms/habits/dog collars in public; it means banning the hijab, crucifix, etc in public. No more church services on radio and TV or in public.
    For an historically Christian society this is a high price to pay to accommodate people who left their homelands to settle on our little island. But it is worth it if Barbados, our rules and customs go before the Great Books and open celebration of religious beliefs. In the US people no longer celebrate Christmas. Happy Holiday is their compromise.
    Barbados has always been an open society; I grew up with St Lucians, Dominicans, Grenadians, Antiguans, Trinidadians, Guyanese – people from all over the Caribbean. We have also had large minorities of Syrians and Lebanese, but for the first time we have a community from South Asia that wants to take control, to force their political and religious agenda on us.
    To force our government to vote in the UN in support of Palestine, to condemn friendly states because they do not agree with their foreign policies.
    @de pedantic, My fear is that this is only the beginning; ask the Fijians, go to Durban, in parts of East London gangs of Muslims attack prostitutes because their religion says prostitution is wrong, not because it is morally reprehensible. Ignoring the fact that they are the biggest customers. Whatever moral objections we may have to prostitution, it is the job of the police to enforce the law. That is what the rule of law is all about.
    How long will it take before the same thing happens in Belleville, Baxters Road, etc? Unless we start standing up for our country, whatever its faults, when we want to we may find it is too late.
    Do you remember in 2007, the commissioner of police and chief of the defence force had to go down to Kensington New Road, take off their shoes and go and talk to so-called elders, who wanted them that they did not want Muslim women searched by men. Ten year ago they were laying down the law – and we accepted it..


  46. Hal Austin
    I hear what your saying and probably your thinking arise as a result of your residency in the United Kingdom, but here in America you are considered an American the day the judge announced you are a naturalized citizen. In any event, I could also understand how some would see your view as a little xenophobic because it carries within it some residue bias against the foreign national.

  47. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Hal is just brainwashed by the nasty UK ideology and philosophy of selfishness, greed and racism to control others.

    I wonder who he thinks helped drive the vicious racist caste system of India…it was the UK.


  48. Hal Austin, I beg to defer with you that the UK is the most multiracial country in the world. Nevertheless, many here in America would see your view on immigration as xenophobic, and an affront to the American values and ideals. And by the way, according to the 2001 census, America is the most multiracial country in the world Sir.


  49. Hal Austin
    As a young lad who was reared in the city area of Barbados, I grew up among St. Lucians, Dominicans, Vincentians, Grenadians, and Guyanese, and some of whom children were born and bred in Barbados, and of whom have made important contributions to our little island. So stop with your isolationist behaviour because quite a few of my childhood friends in Barbados are of foreign parentage and these people are upstanding citizens who continue to contribute to our island Barbados.

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