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Grenville Phillips II, leader of Solutions Barbados

On 21 April 2017, I attended a public meeting by the Barbados Private Sector Association and was disappointed by their austerity-based solutions to Barbadosโ€™ dire economic situation.ย  The Government, private sector merchants, financial institutions and individual economists are warning us to brace for austerity.ย  Eight years ago, austerity meant forcing most Barbadians to access their savings in order to survive.ย  Today, it means to force most Barbadians into poverty.

Approximately 2 years ago, Solutions Barbados published a plan to bring Barbados back from the brink of economic ruin without the austerity promised by others.ย  The plan is based on proven solutions and is still relevant.ย  However, the Government continues to ignore this plan while stubbornly pursuing its strategy; while the IMF warns of devaluation.

We have shared our plan with anyone who will listen, including the NUPW and CTUSAB.ย  It was also published in both print and on-line news media, and also on the radio.ย  To-date, the responses have been overwhelmingly positive, because the plans are workable.ย  The published plan consists of 4 main steps โ€“ none of which require laying-off civil servants, reducing their wages, incurring additional Government spending, or begging other countries to lend us money.

Step 1 is to increase Governmentโ€™s local currency revenues to run the Government and pay local currency debts.ย  This can be done by reducing taxes on personal and corporate revenues to 10% of gross revenues โ€“ with no deductions.ย  This will make taxes easier to calculate, pay and audit.ย  It is also fairer.

Currently, businesses pay taxes on net-profits.ย  Therefore, it is possible to run a successful business for decades without paying any corporate taxes.ย  However, since the Government must obtain revenue, the taxes that such businesses currently legally avoid paying are extracted from the rest of us.ย  Well, not under a Solutions Barbados administration.

To facilitate the prompt payment of all taxes, all taxes previously owed to all Government departments will be forgiven and VAT will be abolished.ย  Businesses are currently being forced to pay VAT when they issue an invoice, rather than when they receive payment.ย  This is unfair, because businesses may not get their invoices paid until months later โ€“ or never.ย  Taxing businesses before they receive payment is an insidious method of taxation that can both prevent businesses from growing, and reduce their competitiveness.

The forgiveness of debts to Government should have happened as part of our 50th anniversary jubilee celebrations.ย  However, only a few select persons benefitted financially from those celebrations.ย  Therefore, everyone will start with a โ€˜clean slateโ€™.ย  In exchange, all new non-payment of taxes will attract a penalty of 10 times the value of the outstanding amount for those who blatantly refuse to pay.ย  Those who refuse to pay taxes under a Solutions Barbados administration will be competing unfairly in our economy, and that will not be encouraged.

Step 2 is to increase foreign currency revenues in order to pay for imports and foreign currency debts.ย  This can be done by temporarily reducing taxes on all foreign currency earnings to zero.

Step 3 is to increase productivity in both the public and private sectors, and reduce wastage and unnecessary costs in the public sector.ย  This can be done by managing all public services to the ISO 9001 Quality Management System.ย  Parts of the ISO 9001 system can be implemented across the entire public service immediately, to the benefit (and relief) of those who deliver and receive Government services โ€“ at no additional cost to Government.

One low hanging wastage fruit is to stop public workers from paying income taxes.ย  Currently, the private sector must pay additional taxes, which are then given to public sector workers, who then give it to the Government.ย  The accounting bureaucracy and costs required to manage the taxation of the estimated 25,000 public workers can be easily avoided.

Step 4 is to depoliticize the public service.ย  In a Solutions Barbados administration, public workers will be selected and promoted on merit alone.

Any of these steps taken by themselves will not pull Barbados back from the brink, because frustrated public services can frustrate the entire process.ย  Therefore, they must all be taken together.ย  We need an increase in local and foreign currency revenues, and a better managed and depoliticized public service.ย  The Minister of Finance is strongly advised to examine our plan before we run out of viable options.ย  We continue to be available to discuss it.

Grenville Phillips II is the founder of Solutions Barbados and can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

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314 responses to “The Grenville Phillips Column – The Alternative to Austerity”


  1. We must not follow the French and allow a technocrat to take over our government, although Owen Arthur is on record as saying that government should be by technocrats.
    As I have said, spreadsheets, powerpoint, clip boards and graphs cannot provide the kid of politics that we badly need. What Barbados is short of, the paucity of our politics, are ideas, innovation, a national identity, collective confidence, dynamism, a people who know who they are and what they want.
    We need to look at all our institutions, root and branch, and where necessary re-shape them, get rid of the ones not working and introduce new systems when necessary.
    But first of all we need to tsk among ourselves, not the vulgarity that often passes as debate, but with reason, courtesy and respect.
    We need to realise that time is short, and like the Spartans, the civilised side does not always win. Sometimes the brutal, inconsiderate, opportunistic, dishonest, selfish, can find themselves in our highest officers of state.
    Solutions Barbados does not yet provide any answers to any of these problems. What it has done is to expose the weakness in the existing system, the failure of the two dominant parties of government; the failure of those who should have been providing leadership for the masses.
    We have drifted in to celebrating mediocrity, of treating cheap unreliable radio phone-ins as if broadcasting is now our great debating chamber.
    In the 1950s Barbados had seven newspapers, now we have one, one that is a waste of paper, and aa digital publication that is a marketing device for the editor’s friends.
    We must hold Solutions Barbados’ feet yo the fire, they must come up with workable policies, not with graphs and pie charts.

  2. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ Bush Tea
    I can only guess why you’re ignoring the fact that more of my comments were addressed to you rather than dpD, but I’ve proved that the SB plan cannot work in its current form, while you have declined to proffer any evidence that it can.

    However, I am a patient man, so I will gently point out where your comments make no sense.

    “The fiscal deficit needs to be addressed by paying Public workers what they DESERVE.”
    Yes, but unless I am mistaken that will require either an amendment to our Constitution or to fire 30% of civil servants, provoke a general strike as well as a general recession, and make a huge number in the private sector lose their jobs as well by removing that middle class purchasing power from the economy. It’s easy to talk about in abstract terms but you are perfectly aware that reality is more complicated.

    “The fiscal deficit needs to be addressed […] by making imported products MORE EXPENSIVE for unproductive Bajans.”
    This ignores the fact that it makes EVERYTHING more expensive, not just imported products… and for productive as well as unproductive Bajans. If you want to make imported products more expensive use targeted strategies like import duties or depreciation.

    “That is how depreciation WILL address the imbalance. What Grenville is suggesting is a proactive mechanism that leads to the same thing.”
    So are you arguing for depreciation? If so why not just change the currency peg overnight from 2:1 to 3:1 or 7:1 for that matter? Why do it in this ridiculous roundabout way?

    “Austerity is INEVITABLE.,,, either proactively or reactivelyโ€ฆ. We CANNOT continue to eat caviar on mauby budgetsโ€ฆ.”
    You asserted that Grenville was lying in saying that he wants to avoid austerity (“PR hype” you called it, in plain English that means lying); you may be right, but I have a higher opinion of Grenville. Should I read your entire post as satire?

    In any case I agree with you that some austerity is more of a high probability than a remote possibility. The key is to decide fairly and rationally who in society should bear most of the burden of this austerity. Although hard headed, I am soft hearted, so I want the burden to fall mostly on those best equipped to shoulder that burden… on those of us who are relatively comfortable rather than our neighbors who are already suffering deprivation. I’m not a Christian, but in circumstances such as these “Love thy neighbour as thyself” seems like a pretty good strategy. If the Christian thing is not your cup of tea I believe that like myself you are a big fan of cooperative ethics which pay close attention not only to fairness, but also to helping the disadvantaged.

  3. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Carson…ah know ya pimping on the link..ah hope ya know as long as Hartley Henry is the rep in Mias eldction campaign…he sees yall as losing bigly next year…lol

    Henry dont back losers…, the government knows this first hand, remember 2008.


  4. Peter

    The above most cogent and on point……those who can comprehend will understand.

  5. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Hal
    Point taken. However, do you honestly believe that people who see the IMF/BLPDLP as OUR only hope care about : innovation, creativity, dynamism? WE want to play house. WE are economists, lawyers and so on of the play play variety.These watery positions are systematic of how WE were educated-by rote: 2×1 equals 2 into 2 equals 1. When you imagine that WE cannot see beyond a mess of pottage from the IMF that will economically enslave US for another 30 years, you would see that the imagined comfort of the plantation economy/ mentality is still there.
    WE are some pseudo intellectuals cussing Amurca but everything WE write is pure regurgitation of what WE either see on Amurca TV or read . You notice how quickly WE jump into analysing Trump but do not have one single idea about the problems WE have in the Caribbean. WE scorn the region and write it off as some outpost. WE are out there swinging on branches skillfully and believe that WE are fountains of knowledge.


  6. Crusoe: I have not yet responded to you yet because I had to keep checking on what you claimed that I have written and it became taxing. For example, you repeatedly argue that taxing gross revenues will not work based, inter alia, on your incorrect assumption that businesses will not be audited. You have somehow misread that we intended that businesses will not be audited. In fact, the opposite is true. We have consistently stated that all businesses will be audited.

    Further, you keep referencing the inefficiencies in Government as if you had not read our plan. We have repeatedly stated that our plan consists of 4 components, and that all four must be taken together.

    PLT: You have proved nothing. You based your analysis on incorrect assumptions. For example, you assumed that the level of tax revenues from the categories you noted needed to be maintained. I showed you why that was a fatal flaw to your analysis, and gave you the example of the QEH, which would be paid almost entirely by health taxes. Ditto for the criminal justice system and other government spending. This would mean that we do not need to maintain the other categories of revenues to existing levels.

    Yet despite this, you claim to have understood everything that we wrote, and then claimed that it is fatally flawed. Please review your own analysis taking into account your own fatal flaws. Further, I have repeatedly stated that the steps must be taken together.

    You fellow are old enough to know how to discuss issues. One way of not discussing issues is to conclude prematurely. Conclusions are reached after much discussion. Only trolls conclude with their first response.

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  7. William,

    One of the sad features of what passes as political discourse in Barbados is the constant repetition of ideas captured from other countries.
    intellectual originality is a bad phrase in Barbadian discourse. There is also the lack of intellectual confidence; a example of this is my suggestion, based on sound financial economics, that we should move away from the 1950s and 60s economics, the Bretton Woods formulae, and secure our financial futures in more modern and stable financial economic ways.
    In response to this, one brave soul asked me where in the world is such a policy applied. In other words, we cannot do anything in Barbados until the rest of the world, or somewhere else, tries out these policies. That alone tells you of the lost of confidence.
    Of course, since 1980, the derivative markets are the fastest growing financial markets in human history, driving global finances to about a quadrillion dollars.
    Of course there are risks, but there are risks in everything financial, even depositing money in a credit union or foreign-owned bank.
    I have also said, since the global financial crisis, that we could go down the path of endogenous growth, in our little 166 sq miles of exhausted agricultural land we have the opportunity to be a powerhouse in the Eastern Caribbean, indeed the entire Caribbean.
    But our political and business leaders lack the skills to take us forward; just look at what Owen Arthur did to the BNB, one of the worst pieces of policy any government anywhere could have implemented.
    It showed an appalling ignorance of the role of banks in the financialisation of economy, yet at the same time these very banks are lending ordinary households money to buy costumes for Crop Over and sub-prime loans to buy cars. You just could not make it up.
    In the meantime, our academics remain silent.
    The role of our academics is to push back the boundaries of ideas, explain to ordinary people possible outcomes if certain approaches are made.
    Somehow, however, our academics are so scared of their jobs – or so uncertain of their own ideas – that they are more silent than parliamentarians. We are a poorer nation for that.
    In the meantime, we get bored mainly overseas-based pensioners cutting and pasting, Googling and putting those foreign ideas on our forums as if they were their own original ideas.


  8. “Hal

    You need to relax.

    Barbadian academics/economists for the majority agree the peg as we operate it represents the best form of stability. There are pros and cons to fixed, floating or whatever configuration we were to use. The reality is and you know this is that floating the currency against a basket of currencies will function best in a sophisticated market which we are NOT.

    We cant even deliver quarterly economic reviews in a timely fashion.!


  9. David,
    I clearly bow to your wisdom and great understanding of macroeconomic policy, but I have clearly missed something. Where have Barbadian academics/economists been debating the peg/floating pros and cons?
    Where is the debate over devaluation, depegging and the IMF, apart from irrational shouting from the sidelines?
    I prefer to rely on the facts on the ground. The dollar has soared over the past five years by a trade-weighted 25 per cent or so; or, in simple language, the Barbadian dollar has soared. Is that good for our island economy, an economy that over-depends on tourism from the UK and Europe?
    Under Trump, with promises of America First, funds have been flowing back in to US treasuries, driving up the current account deficit.
    At some point soon the US must reduce this massive current account deficit, leading to dollar depreciation and a loss to all those invested in US treasuries.
    But this apart, what is the drift of economic history? Between the end of the Second World war and the early 1970s, two-thirds of global trade was in the Greenback – the rest in the UK pound and the Soviet ruble.
    Also, the US share of global GDP has fallen from 30 per cent in the 1950s and 60s to about 18 per cent, with developing and emerging markets accounting for about 60 per global and rising.
    Trump campaigned on a platform of currencies war – attacking in particular China – now he wants to do deals over North Korea. The man is lost.

    @ David,
    We are on the wrong side of history. We can either cover ourselves in a blanket of intellectual conservatism, or go out for ourselves and look at the real world and decide how best to shape a future fit for coming generations of young Barbadians.
    I have enormous respect for our academics, at home and abroad, but trust me on this. The US dollar is overvalued, thus the Barbados dollar is overvalued. Remember the US had two official devaluations in 1973; is history repeating itself? We badly need financial intermediation, which we must shape for ourselves.

    @ David,
    We Could have, and should have, done a lot more: massive infrastructural development in the City, bulldozing the slums; equipping our young people with advanced skills fit for a modern society, and not just painters and carpenters; re-educating the society away from an educational system that has not changed since the war; introduce a new, mobile national compulsory savings scheme; establish a Sovereign Wealth Fund; reform the civil service and wider public sector; clamp down on those badly managed businesses that refuse to pay VAT, income tax and national insurance, making the owners responsible for the debt. There are lots more programmes that should have been done in 2008/9.
    Most of all, we need a Barbados-domiciled bank and shadow banks. That can be helped by making the 22 insurance companies invest a compulsory 50 per cent of their policyholders premia in Barbados.
    One major problem David is that our policymakers, academics and the media’s favourites economists have never worked at the coal face, they have no industry experience or association. IT IS ALL THEORY.
    I

  10. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @nextparty246 May 8, at 1:12 AM…You do yourself no justice as a leader or a new political sage with these comments.

    The blogger @Peterlawrence has at least done more than you have regarding your tax policy. He has actually provided a factual basis to explore the potential revenue impact of your plans.

    Where is your analysis and projections???

    You have offered to completely revamp current tax policy without providing even a basic accounting of examples based on current tax data on how the proposals would flow through the economy.

    When did you show that “the QEH, … would be paid almost entirely by health taxes.”?

    I missed the spreadsheet one page electronic handout with the comparative tax streams annotated. Can you please direct me to the link!

    You sound like just another ‘TRUST ME’ soothsaying politician.

    So I should simply spew your soothsaying rhetoric back to you: ” Please review your own analysis taking into account your own fatal flaws.”

    You can’t convince a few bloggers of the realities of this plan but expect to convince an entire electorate with your bluster…then somehow convince a Parliament to overturn the country’s entire tax system in one fell swoop while terminating the services of most at the BRA.

    You are a man of faith and integrity so I resist the construct that your entire campaign is a joy ride of personal gratification…so intent unknown.

    Obviously you can’t seriously expect to win the votes of a majority with these embryonic plans.


  11. @ David

    Previously, generation after generation toiled in the sun working on plantations where remnants of slavery existed, to the point that plantation owners, his son and daughters were still referred to by attaching โ€œMr.โ€ or โ€œMissโ€ to their Christian names, while his wife was referred to as โ€œMistress.โ€

    I have heard older folk make reference to a statement allegedly made by Errol Barrow relative to not wanting to see a cane blade in Barbados. I interpreted his comments to mean he wanted to see Barbadians move away from the plantations and become educated. Hence, perhaps the reason why he extended โ€œfree educationโ€ to all government owned schools.

    The agricultural worker not wanting their children to โ€œfollow in their footstepsโ€ working on plantations, embraced the opportunity for them to become educated and rival the upper class in attaining โ€œbetter jobs.โ€ We had (and continue to have) a growing number of professionals, some of whom relocated from Barbados.

    You teach children about the horrors of the slave trade and plantation life during slavery and EXPECT THEM to be ENTHUSIASTIC about agriculture.

    As such, the younger educated generation associated agriculture and calling the plantation owner Mr. Frank with slavery and moved away from the plantations to become doctors, lawyers, engineersโ€ฆโ€ฆ and their children โ€œfollowing in their footsteps.โ€

    The FUNDAMENTAL ERROR in Barrowโ€™s plan was that, although Barbadians were being educationally prepared, for example, as managers managing and ensuring the sustainability and profitability of businesses, they did not use this education to become plantation owners/managers and maintain the viability and sustainability of agriculture. New management and scientific techniques were not introduced in agricultural sector because we moved away from the plantations.

    These same smug individuals who sit in their lofty towers constantly making references to agriculture, have not allowed their children to pursue agricultural science, but often look to someone elseโ€™s children to do that work.

    What Hal Austin and others of his ilk need to realize agriculture will not be easily revived on a large scale in Barbados as it was in the 1950s and 1960s.

    Constantly referring to โ€œ166 sq miles of exhausted agricultural land we have the opportunity to be a powerhouse in the Eastern Caribbean,โ€ CANNOT become a reality unless we work at CHANGING the mindsets of Barbadians towards agriculture.

  12. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @nextparty246
    Thanks for your response Grenville. I have tried not to make assumptions in my attempts to understand Solutions Barbados tax policy. Instead I have relied on the Policy Solutions page at https://solutionsbarbados.com/solutions/. It does not mention your “example of the QEH, which would be paid almost entirely by health taxes.” I also checked your Health and Education Implementation plan at https://solutionsbarbados.com/2016/04/21/implementation-iso-9001-for-health-and-education/. Likewise there is no mention of specific taxation to fund the criminal justice system.

    I do believe I understand everything you wrote on your website; of course I have no way of understanding what you didn’t write there in the first place. As I have already demonstrated, I am eager to admit when I have misunderstood or made a mistake, so I seek further enlightenment.

    Please outline how these additional taxes would be collected. In the case of the “health taxes” to support the QEH for example, will it be a user fee collected upon entering the accident and emergency department or will it be a payroll deduction? Will you make it compulsory for all Bajans to carry health insurance to meet the cost of care? and if so will that be operated by a single insurance provider like the NIS or will there be an open marketplace for health insurance?

    How will special purpose taxation work for the criminal justice system? Will the tax burden fall only on the accused, only on the convicted, or will there be a wider assessment.

    How many other of these special tax levies will there be for “other government spending” and for what purposes?

    Even though I am much more radical than you politically, I desperately want Solutions Barbados to have a credible and reasonably complete policy plan in place before elections are called so that you provide a viable alternative to the BDLP.

    Best regards,
    Peter

  13. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Artax

    No argument as far as using the old ways of doing agriculture will not hack it in todays world.

    Agriculture today is operated by computerised solar greenhouses….so far we have had 3 big greenhouse operations of which one was legally closed,another lieing idle for whatever reason and the third one is actually ramping up i.e. expanding and is owned by a merchant family.

    Those last 2 words above are very significant as our Ag. could not go anywhere unless we had buy in by them.

    Since the ’90s the revival of Ag was attempted even with the govt identifying the Scotland District as the breadbasket of Bim and realising that the future lay in greenhouse technology of which a 1/2 acre unit could produce as much and even more of the equivalent land in 10 acres.

    We have to stop thinking of Ag. as a hot sun back breaking exercise,its a business whose time has come again to Bim and it will hopefully take off shortly……the small Bimmer better get on board as more computer software has to be developed involving solar energy for cooling.


  14. @Artax

    Constantly referring to โ€œ166 sq miles of exhausted agricultural land we have the opportunity to be a powerhouse in the Eastern Caribbean,โ€ CANNOT become a reality unless we work at CHANGING the mindsets of Barbadians towards agriculture.

    Agree with you. It is easy to form armchair esoteric positions. What is happening in agriculture is emblematic of what ails our society in many ways.


  15. @Dee Word

    Didn’t a Republican Congress just force through a repeal to the Affordable Healthcare Act without CBO analysis? This s what politicians do. The point here is that Grenville must be able to pass the BU test because when he enters the wider arena he will be mauled if his proposals are not tight.


  16. David,

    Plse define “armchair esoteric positions” in terms of an economic debate.

  17. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Yes David, ” The point here is that Grenville must be able to pass the BU test because when he enters the wider arena he will be mauled if his proposals are not “.

    And with all respect to the learned gentleman he has failed that test miserably.

    @PLT’s brief but well-reasoned analyses make Phillip’s tax policy look nonsensical.

    And Grenville has shown us nothing on details. Nothing!

    Is that what we should expect from our aspiring national leaders??

    Your CBO reference is not an ideal comparison. That office had already scored the first Republican Bill …thus the point is that real details were already AVAILABLE from which one could extrapolate.

    Where are ANY of Grenville’s details for this sweeping change to the entire Bajan tax regime.

    Anyone can get up on a soapbox and spout nice phrases about change..that does not make them capable of effecting same, however.

    I think you called such change talkers “armchair esoteric[s]”.

    Grenville has apparently taken his comfortable armchair on a publicity tour…he needs to get real or get it back home!


  18. @Dee Word

    The reference to CBO score was ‘tongue and cheek’ and meant to extract the very point that you made.


  19. Mind boggling analyses! Did Hal attempt to compare Google, Starbucks et al with local companies for taxation purposes? Some contrast now please.

  20. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Vincent Haynes May 8, 2017 at 8:54 AM
    โ€œWe have to stop thinking of Ag. as a hot sun back breaking exercise,its a business whose time has come again to Bim and it will hopefully take off shortlyโ€ฆโ€ฆthe small Bimmer better get on board as more computer software has to be developed involving solar energy for cooling.โ€

    Nothing so far-reaching will take place until the old adage that โ€œnecessity is the mother of inventionโ€ becomes a reality in Barbados.

    When the forex runs really low leaving enough for bare necessities like oil and medicine then and only then would “Bimmers” get off their lazy โ€˜donkeysโ€™ and see agriculture as their raison d’รชtre.

    The version of tourism Barbados is currently offering the world is no longer de rigueur and is fast becoming passรฉ as countries like Costa Rico up their stakes in the environmental attractiveness and exotic appeal race for โ€˜location, locationโ€™ in which to spend the new age visitorsโ€™ money who are no longer turned on only by fast disappearing sand, sea, jump-up and dangerous sex.

    The challenge facing Bajan agriculture is what can be produced that can be sold to โ€˜outsidersโ€™ to earn forex to keep the citizens in a position of comfort to which they have grown so conspicuously brazen.

    Sugar cane did it for them but what is there to replace that dead old โ€˜grassโ€™ so ideally suited to its climate and terrain as enterprisingly indentified by the early traders Dutch with their slick Jewish approach to business?

  21. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    millertheanunnaki May 8, 2017 at 2:01 PM #

    Chuckle…..yup….Hemp and Cane two ideal rotation crops for ground provisions and each other.

    Solar powered greenhouses for vegetables and bush crops of all climates as well as aqua-culture.

    Scotland district for fruit trees with sheep tending the grass,not goats as they will bark and climb the trees.

    With the right govt. who can dictate to the merchants and the local banks this country can move forward especially if brown envellopes can be put on hold for at least 2 terms……note no country in the world has eradicated corruption including China.

    I used to tell my workers I know you are going to steal so just make sure you leave back enough for me…..One trusted worker who was responsible for an area was found out on his retirement to be keeping approx 80% of his sales……win some loose some.


  22. @ Vincent

    I agree that: โ€œWe have to stop thinking of Ag as a hot sun back breaking exercise.โ€

    Much criticism is always leveled at UWI, but how many people know the St. Augustine Campus has a Faculty of Food & Agriculture and Department of Agricultural Economics & Extension that offer several courses in agricultural science.


  23. @Artax

    Will remove you from moderation shortly. Let us see how subsequent comments posted will behave.


  24. @ David

    No problem……… thanks.


  25. Drib: You are a troll. If you are a paid troll, then keep the insults coming and go and collect your money. If you are not being paid, then you need to grow up. I have too little time, and cannot spend it on someone who does not want to discuss anything. Consider this my last response to you.

    PLT: Thank you for your queries. I have all the time in the world for an honest discussion.

    My response to your analysis, which includes the reference to the QEH and Criminal Justice costs was in this post: nextparty246 May 6, 2017 at 8:14 PM

    Your response claiming that you understood was: peterlawrencethompson May 7, 2017 at 10:17 AM

    A description of the Criminal justice initiative is in our Policy, section 3, and the health care initiative is in section 7.

    Best regards,
    Grenville

  26. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Artax May 8, 2017 at 4:19 PM #

    Excellent point,it was used back in the 60s&70s it had a different name then,Hoad,Garvey and others went to it.

    There is a faculty at Cave Hill as well and they just received 30 acres up by mangrove,yet we are hearing about the Hope in St.Lucy being turned into training centre headed by the Chinese.

    Note the Chinese and Isrealis came to Bim in the 80s…one set in St.Philip at the Ag. station and the other ones built our only solar air conditioned office compound at Graeme Hall which on their departure our bright boys dismantled and installed electrical a/c.

    We are making bare sport in this country as far as Ag. and the youth are concerned bearing in mind that the youth are our future….speaking from first hand knowledge.


  27. @ nextparty246

    Although the Dribbler and I may have our exchanges and differences of opinion, I believe your response to him re: โ€œYou are a troll. If you are a paid troll, then keep the insults coming and go and collect your money,โ€ is unfair and immature.

    As a political aspirant, you will be confronted by individuals, members and supporters of political parties who hold โ€œtight party linesโ€ and will be harsh in their criticisms of you, and even more so, especially if they perceive SB to be a threat to them losing base support.

    Suppose SB held a political meeting and people in crowd hurled insults at you. Would you cuss them and end the meeting?

    If you hold fast to that attitude, how long would you last as PM in parliament against the likes of Sincker, Inniss, Richard Sealy, Kellman, Lowe or Stuart who could be very insulting, or if you have to deal with Prime Ministers such as Ralph Gonsalves, Gaston Browne, Allen Chastenet and Dr. Keith Mitchell, all of whom are very arrogant and have terrible attitudes.

    You need to remain focused.

  28. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Artax at 5:20 PM …Well stated, That’s the joy of blogging, we can duel robustly as adversaries but also duel sensibly to dismiss egregious prattle from Mr Phillps.

    I particularly liked your references to the other Type-A personalities like Gonzalez.

    Grenville’s is like them all frankly but his petulance re my pointed questions is hilarious so I would disagree with you only to suggest that HIS type-A arrogant personality does not augur well that he will even get past the first election step far less ” … last as PM in parliament “!

    Just recently I was talking to a friend of his and suggested to him that Grenville was moving along well with the announcement of players on his team.

    This person knows him very well and when they ‘steeupsed’ loudly after my remark I was taken aback.

    Now seeing his abject lack of desire to deal rationally with the political facts of his incomplete tax policy now helps me understand that reaction.

    It also suggests to me that the man is not ready!

    He is yet young so there is time.

  29. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @nextparty246
    Your response of May 6, 2017 at 8:14 PM pointed out the obvious differences between taxing corporate profits and taxing corporate revenue.

    However, it did not address my main analytical point: a corporate tax on gross revenue, collected at the till on each sale and remitted directly to the government as you have described, is functionally equivalent to a sales tax. Every single company is guaranteed to add it to their invoice or sales slip and the consumer will pay it. It is impossible to stop them from doing this. It is a consumption tax. This has the effect of leaving corporate profits entirely untaxed, giving corporate Barbados a $250 million/year gift that they did not even ask for. Why?

    You have made reference to the QEH and Criminal Justice costs in that post as well as in your Policy, section 3 and 7. I have read these diligently, they mention fines in the Justice system, but not taxes. As i requested in my post of May 8, 2017 at 8:19 AM

    “Please outline how these additional taxes would be collected. In the case of the โ€œhealth taxesโ€ to support the QEH for example, will it be a user fee collected upon entering the accident and emergency department or will it be a payroll deduction? Will you make it compulsory for all Bajans to carry health insurance to meet the cost of care? and if so will that be operated by a single insurance provider like the NIS or will there be an open marketplace for health insurance?

    How will special purpose taxation work for the criminal justice system? Will the tax burden fall only on the accused, only on the convicted, or will there be a wider assessment.

    How many other of these special tax levies will there be for โ€œother government spendingโ€ and for what purposes?”


  30. Trolls unite!! Hahaaaaa. Isn’t Grenville the same age as MAM?


  31. ” No chance
    Comissiong says new fringe parties cannot win”

    We have a political party in the UK called “The official monster raving loony party”. It only presents itself as an active political party during a British general election. They bring an element of satire, humour and tom-foolery to a depressing domestic political scene.

    Grenvillle, you and your political party are in good company.

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/05/08/no-chance/

  32. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/05/08/no-chance/

    Commisong is not convinced the new political parties will be considered by the electorate.

    “No chance
    Comissiong says new fringe parties cannot win

    Added by Colville Mounsey on May 8, 2017.
    Saved under Local News, Politics
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    The new political parties that emerged recently have no foundation and no chance in the general election due next year, according to David Comissiong, the controversial political activist and leader of the Peopleโ€™s Empowerment Party (PEP).

    In fact, Comissiong believes the new movements โ€œshould not even be considered as political partiesโ€ in the absence of a history of engagement, a philosophy or political agenda.

    Any serious party, he said, would not spring up shortly before an election with little to show in terms of its history and guiding principles.

    โ€œI donโ€™t consider those entities parties. I encourage anybody who wants to get involved in the public and political life to do so, so I welcome any involvement. But honestly, if you are going to designate yourself as a political party with any credibility then you canโ€™t jump up within a few months of an election and say, โ€˜here we areโ€™. You need to have been engaged in the society, in the important issues that confront the people; you need to have been showing that commitment over a period of time, you also need to have a philosophy, you need to have a policy agenda,โ€ Comissiong told Barbados TODAY.”


  33. Artax: It is neither unfair nor immature. Drib has trolled me for years. That is his job. I simply informed the uninformed reader who may wonder why I do not respond to his personal insults. The answer is simple, I donโ€™t feed trolls.

    If a heckler did a similar thing at a public meeting, then I would invite him to the stage and try to engage him in a discussion. I have done this and have gotten persons to discuss at least one issue rationally. For years, Drib has only insults to offer because he can hide on the Internet. That is where you need to direct your โ€˜unfair and immatureโ€™ comment.

    PLT: I understand why you interpreted our tax on gross revenues as a sales tax. And I accept that some businesses may add the tax to their normal costs as you have described. However, those businesses will be less competitive than their competitors who choose to maintain their prices and pay the tax out of their profit as it is a corporate tax, and not a sales tax. Let us look at some numbers.

    Company A has gross revenues of $100, and he pays a corporate tax of $10 out of $100.

    Company B expects gross revenues of $100 and decides to add his corporate tax to his items resulting in gross revenues of $110. His tax then becomes $11, and his products become less competitive. Therefore, those who treat it as a sales tax will be punished by the market. Those who treat it as corporate tax will be rewarded by the market.

    A health tax will be applied to all imported and locally manufactured high-sugar, high-salt and high-alcohol products. The tax will be determined based on the annual cost of treatment. For example, the quantum of tax for the high-sugar foods will be the annual cost to treat diabetes. Ditto for heart-disease, liver disease, and other NCDs.

    For the criminal justice system, every offence will attract a fine based on ten times the value of the offence. Therefore, if someone steals a $700 cell phone, he pays a $7,000 fine. He will soon realise that it is cheaper for him to purchase his own things.

    Best regards,
    Grenville

  34. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @nextparty246
    You are completely mistaken in hoping that Corporate Barbados is not going to pass 100% of this tax on to their customers. Let us look at your numbers under the current tax regime:
    Company A makes sales of $100, and he pays VAT of $17.50 out of $100.
    Company B makes sales of $100 and decides to add the VAT to his items resulting in a bill of $117.50 and his products become less competitive.
    Are there ANY businesses like Company A in Barbados? NO! What makes you think that there will be if you change the name of the tax from VAT to Corporate Revenue?

    Let us look at the numbers for the Health Tax. Total health care expenditure in 2012-13 was over $732 million and it has undoubtedly increased since. Of this amount the government tax revenue pays for 55%, while people pay about 39% out of pocket and the rest is covered by private insurance plans. This means that you propose to raise over $403 million in revenue by taxing specific foods, tobacco products, and other consumables known to be harmful to health. However Bajans simply do not consume enough of these products to raise that much money through taxing them no matter how high you put the tax rate, so your health tax will not work in its current form.

    Let us look at the numbers for the criminal justice system. Digging through the budget I can identify over $200 million in government expenditure for this function. If you think you can raise that amount by fining petty criminals who steal cell phones then you are smoking something really good. (Here’s an idea, let’s legalize that stuff you’re smoking, tax the bejezus out of it and sell it to tourists and the local bourgeoisie. Then you might have a chance of funding the criminal justice system; Colorado made US$200 million from taxing weed last year.) No, your proposal to fund the criminal justice system out of fine revenue will not work.

    Look at the numbers; do the arithmetic.


  35. I am sure the accountants in this forum are looking closely at the proposals coming from Solutions Barbados, but the nonsense of ten times the value of assets stolen as the average fine is sociologically illiterate.
    First, statutory fines will tie the hands of judges and magistrates, which may not be a bad things, but it denies them the right to make sentences based on the evidence presented in court – not just on innocence of guilt.
    Second, it amplifies an element of class bias in the criminal justice system by focusing on low level economic crimes, and not on the big corporate villains, especially the armies of creative accountants.
    And it ignores the wider sociology of crime: the low educational levels among offenders; the gender bias; the unfairness of sentencing by the bench, and in particular one magistrate; and a widespread reform of the judicial system.
    If Solutions Barbados want s to be a new voice, it must get rid of speaking for a technocracy that is itself partly responsible for he mess the nation is in and speak with a new voice for the entire nation.
    So far it has not done so – neither on its website or in public statements.

  36. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @nextparty246…you are hilarious! Now you say I have been trolling you for years. Is this since your PUBLIC post of your ‘Solutions’ when I asked a few pointed questions and said that they are excellent points for a term paper at school or college by not for meaningful and practical implementation at the national level. Is that my trolling sin?

    So that your uninformed reader is fully up to date, I do not act like “a prick on the internet because [I] can.”

    NOR am “typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it’s the internet and, hey, [I] can.”

    That’s the Urban dictionary’s definition of trolling. I am a blogger with an opinion like all others. I offer them forcefully at times but ALWAYS respectfully.

    Even in my anonymous persona here I act as if my name is attached – because frankly, it is. (Ask the Blogmaster some day when you see him on the streets, smile).

    Your statements continue to lack the gravitas and research to advance their chances of success. For example you said above boldly but without gravitas of reality that:

    “A health tax will be applied to all imported and locally manufactured high-sugar…For example, the quantum of tax for the high-sugar foods will be the annual cost to treat diabetes. Ditto for heart-disease, liver disease, and other NCDs.”

    Where are the projections that show our imports on those items and the expected tax revenue that can sustain what you suggest?

    Just last Sunday a respected UWI law dean noted that “… in one jurisdiction where such a prescription had been attempted in the design of a more healthful diet and reducing obesity, the court was prepared to rule it ultra vires…”

    In short, such a tax will likely NOT be allowed based on court challenges. Yet you are informing ‘uninformed’ readers that I am trolling you because I ask you, HOW will you overcome the OBVIOUS legal, administrative, practical and Constitutional hurdles to your ‘Solutions’.

    Hilarious, my friend!

    I would suggest to you that if you had a troll like me in your ‘cabinet’ before you offered these grandiose Solutions then you would be able to stay focused on properly vetted proposals and not be so ‘prickly’!

    Incidentally if a fellow steals a $700 phone where exactly do you forsee that he will get $7,000 to pay that fine? Will the state sell his house or car, garnish wages? And if he has none of them then what…and even if he did what another legal quagmire!

    So are you projecting a whopping but NONCOLLECTABLE tax.

    Grenville, please GET REAL! You are too bright to be offering these types of insanely impractical solutions. This is NOT an ethics class at church!

  37. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @nextparty246
    Don’t get me wrong, Grenville, I think that it is a good idea to tax sugary drinks, tobacco, and other consumables that cause expensive adverse health outcomes. But this is not primarily to raise revenue, but to cut consumption. I think we should raise the tax on sugary drinks from 10% to at least 200%. Let us triple the price of a bottle of Coke. This might bring in $50 million or so at first, but I think that would rapidly decline as Coke consumption plummeted.


  38. @ Grenville
    Don’t feel special…
    Dribbler trolls everyone.

    He is like Mark Williams on Brass Tacks… just needs to have his voice projected on a regular basis. No clear message, no firm position on anything, no commitment to any clear philosophy … he just agrees with the obvious and then draws some lukewarm conclusion that is mostly designed to elicit continued meaningless discussion.

    He is best ignored if you are seeking to get a clear message out…

    PLT does not really understand the complexities of macro economic strategy, but unfortunately, he also does not understand that this is the case…
    He may eventually get it…

    Anyone who latches on to catch phrases such as ‘sales tax’ and jump to default conclusions that are grounded in the FAILED albino-centric philosophy, cannot be expected to grasp logic that is built on a completely NEW philosophical framework.
    Darkness and light do not mix…

    Unfortunately for you, the huge majority of BBBBBs are of the above ilk, so you are really like John the Baptist, preaching, as it were, in a wilderness.

    LOL
    Your head may end up on some shiite political platter too, but in the fullness of time, your message will come to be understood ….when the veil of darkness is lifted….

  39. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Bush Tea
    So why don’t you or Grenville enlighten me about “complexities of macro economic strategy” ๐Ÿ˜‰ it would be less boring than innuendo about how I lack economic comprehension.

    Honestly though, you can do much better than hiding behind a veil of imaginary complexity. I have been straightforward and factual… it’s fun… you should try it sometime.

    “Sales tax” is not a catch phrase, it is a simple description of a mode of consumption tax. None of my conclusions are “default,” I worked them out logically in the full glare of BU criticism. If you look back you will recall that I started the thread defending Grenville’s proposal. It was only in the cut and thrust of debate that I discovered its defects.

    My own perspective completely rejects “albino-centric philosophy,” but I’m not attempting to impose my own philosophy on anyone, just to objectively analyse Grenville’s platform within the economic system in which he proposes to implement it. If I were King of Barbados the entire economy would be organized as linked co-operative ventures all under community ownership, but that is for a different thread.

  40. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @ nextparty246 & Bush Tea
    If you can produce factual evidence and arguments which prove me wrong I will be grateful to you and thank you for it wholeheartedly (even de Pedantic Dribbler). Unlike some others I like to be shown the errors of my ways… it’s called learning new things and is my second greatest joy in life.

  41. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    peterlawrencethompson May 10, 2017 at 10:14 AM #

    Could you give me your understanding of what is meant by the term that you completely reject…..โ€œalbino-centric philosophy,โ€?

    Could you also give me its origins and who it is practised by.

    Could you also state the reasons why you reject it.

  42. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent Haynes
    “Albino-centric philosophy,” as I use Bush Tea’s term, is the white supremacist ideology that is baked into a Eurocentric world view. It includes such errors as: the view that European and North American cultures are “more advanced” than Asian of African ones, the blindness to the profound irrational racism of their philosophical tradition from its roots in Plato all the way down through Hume, Kant, Hegel, Marx and beyond, the blithe imposition of Christianity as the default moral code with no critical appraisal of its strengths and weaknesses, the promulgation of neo-liberal capitalism as the best way to organize community and national welfare simply because that pattern arose first in Europe, the mythology of the inevitability of the nation-state because that also had its genesis in Europe, as well as many other deeply historically embedded attitudes that disadvantage me because I happen to have brown skin.

  43. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Peter

    Evidence abounds that the highly touted greek philosophers Plato,Archimedes,Socrates et al plagiarised the ideas of Egyptian society of thinkers whose skin colour was darker than yours.

    This would suggest that what we find offensive was originally out Africa one of our ancestral homelands.

    Have you ever studied the ancient societies of the African Empires that used to rule the world even the Olmecs that conquered sections of South America and settled there?

    The northern tribes of europe have never created or invented anything all they have ever done was to streamline known actions/activities/religions/learning/etc,etc.

  44. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Vincent Haynes
    Of course Vincent. All of humanity came out of Africa. I’ve dabbled in histories of African civilizations and read Van Sertima about Olmec civilization.
    Frankly I don’t give a damn where the truth originates, it can be European, African, Asian or extraterrestrial, so long as it is the truth. What I am rejecting is not mythologies or histories about origins; I am just interrogating received wisdom to see whether it is in alignment with verifiable fact.

  45. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Peter

    My point is simply that what you are rejecting as ….white supremacist ideology… originated in Kemet or Timbuctoo.

    I gather that your wish is to create a world where equality rules and all are taken care off……can you see it working?

  46. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Like I said Vincent, I don’t much care where white supremacist ideology has its roots, my objective is to weaken it in the here and now. My wish is continue to find joy in this brief span of existence, which I do by loving my fellow creatures and learning as much as I can.

  47. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Peter

    In essence what you are suggesting is the ultimate destruction of what over time has become known as the capitalist system which is aided and abetted by the democratic system.

    Any suggestions as to what we will replace it with…….any possibility that we could try it out in the Caribbean.


  48. @ peterlawrencethompson May 10, 2017 at 10:58 AM
    An absolutely brilliant definition of albino-centric philosophy….

    But…
    Boss, if macro economic strategy was ‘simple and straightforward’, then most of our world would not be embroiled in inexplicable economic chaos… Barbados maybe, but most other international economic managers DO understand decimals.

    If YOU had a good understanding of ‘truth’ in this respect, then you would be a highly successful consultant ..with a trail of international macro-economic successes to your credit.

    With regard to ‘enlightening’ you…
    Bushie could also seek to explain the philosophy of human success, and the philosophical construct of macro and micro organisational performance assessment….
    …but to what end…?
    What would be the point of revealing exotic paintings to Ray Charles?

  49. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Bush Tea
    You are misquoting me. I never said that macroeconomic strategy was “simple and straightforward” I said that my arguments were “straightforward and factual.” That is an entirely different matter; I was trying to demonstrate with actual facts and numbers that economic managers DO NEED TO understand decimals.

    You will also notice that I did NOT claim “good understanding of โ€˜truthโ€™ in this respect.” I simply humbly asked for the opportunity to learn if you could demonstrate my errors with facts and numbers. I will always be open to that.

    You needn’t be concerned about my “success.” I am lucky enough to work where and when I choose; and a large percentage of that work is pro bono.

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