The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Don Quixote Goes to Washington

Jeff Cumberbatch - Columnist, Barbados Advocate

Jeff Cumberbatch – Columnist, Barbados Advocate

“In short, his wits being quite gone, he hit upon the strangest notion that every madman in this world hit upon, and that was that he fancied it was right and requisite, as well for the support of his own honour as for the service of his country, that he should make a knight-errant of himself, roaming the world over in full armour and on horseback in quest of adventures, and putting in practice himself all that he had read of as being the usual practices of knights-errant; righting every kind of wrong, and exposing himself to peril and danger from which, in the issue, he was to reap eternal renown and fame. Already the poor man saw himself crowned by the might of his arm Emperor of Trebizond at least; and so, led away by the intense enjoyment he found in these pleasant fancies, he set himself forthwith to put his scheme into execution…” –Don QuixoteMiguel de Cervantes

As many others, including apparently the majority of the voters in the United States, I do not care much for the politics of the current president of the United States, Mr Donald Trump. Having myself survived exposure to the nightmare scenario of his Electoral College triumph last November, nothing he has done since persuades me that he is not the narcissistic, temperamental misogynist that he projected himself to be during the campaign to citizens of the United States who, albeit, by fortuitous electoral distribution and for their various personal reasons, did not care enough about these flaws and so elected him to the high office of POTUS, as it is so charmingly referred to.

Most of my readers will be familiar with the epithet “quixotic”. It describes, according to one source, behaviour that is foolishly impractical especially in the pursuit of ideals and marked by rash, lofty, romantic ideas. The word derives from the character created in 1605 by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra in his novel, “The History of the valorous and wittie (sic) Knight Errant Don Quixote of La Mancha”, to give its full title. There has been a number of musical and film adaptations since, including the 1992 “Man of La Mancha”, featuring the popular hit, “To dream the impossible dream”.

Constraints of space do not permit a fuller discussion today of the adventures of the title character, but the epigraph above offers some information as to the anatomy of his pursuits.

The connection that I seek to make between Don Quixote and Mr Trump lies in the erratic, nay, quixotic nature of the behaviour of each of these individuals. For instance, perhaps the best known escapade of Don Quixote is tilting at windmills, an expression that has found its way into the lexicon as a metaphor for inutility and one that is ideally likened to Mr Trump’s attempts to exclude Mexicans and some Muslims so that America will be “great” again, whatever that coded expression might mean.

“At this point they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that there are on a plain, and as soon as Don Quixote saw them he said to his squire, “Fortune is arranging matters for us better than we could have shaped our desires ourselves, for look there, friend Sancho Panza, where thirty or more monstrous giants present themselves, all of whom I mean to engage in battle and slay, and with whose spoils we shall begin to make our fortunes; for this is righteous warfare, and it is God’s good service to sweep so evil a breed from off the face of the earth.”

“What giants?” said Sancho Panza.

“Those thou seest there,” answered his master, “with the long arms, and some have them nearly two leagues long.”

“Look, your worship,” said Sancho; “what we see there are not giants but windmills, and what seem to be their arms are the sails that turned by the wind make the millstone go.”

“It is easy to see,” replied Don Quixote, “that thou art not used to this business of adventures; those are giants; and if thou art afraid, away with thee out of this and betake thyself to prayer while I engage them in fierce and unequal combat.”

The analogy is satisfied even further whether we consider Sancho Panza to be Mr Mike Pence, the Vice-President, Ms Kellyanne Conway with her “alternative facts”, or Mr Steve Bannon with his antediluvian views on difference and press freedom; and Mr Trump’s choice weapons of war not to be the lance and shield but his penchant for executive orders and late-night-to-early-morning tweets.

None of this is to ignore the fact that for some unarticulated reasons perhaps best known to them, there are those who support Mr Trump. I will not hazard a guess as to their reasons, although I am prepared to concede that they are certainly entitled to their opinions.

Nonetheless, his obsession with being perceived as the smartest and the most popular incumbent ever, as well as his seemingly facile ignorance of the basic principles of US constitutionalism that he swore to uphold less than a month ago, together with his propensity to speak in superlatives all mark him out as nothing less than…quixotic.

Indeed, Mr Trump’s relationship with matters legal so far has been less than auspicious. First, he chose to dismiss, as was his prerogative, the substantive Attorney General for demurring to a patently discriminatory embargo on certain individuals, even as his proposed replacement awaits Senate confirmation, thus leaving a gap in the governance architecture that would be constitutionally repugnant in most other jurisdictions. Second, he nominates a predictable replacement for Justice Scalia on the Supreme Court; one who, unsurprisingly, comes mouthing the same tired conservative claptrap about the Constitution having a settled meaning, as if time has stood still since the time of Jefferson and the others in the 18th century.

This jurisprudential perception is indeed instructive in the current context, for the original Constitutional text in the US regarded certain individuals, definable by a common characteristic, as being less than whole human beings. Too besides, it is at least passing strange that this so–called “right” meaning seems always to accord with conservative points of view, while those opinions that endorse such progressive values as the autonomy of women and others to guard their privacy are considered matters of regrettable and unconstitutional judicial activism.

The following piece is apposite:

Almost immediately after, Don Quixote runs into some merchants whom he challenges to admit that his lady, Dulcinea, is the most beautiful damsel in the world. Not sure where the situation is leading, they address him as “Sir Knight” but anger him by some facetious comments regarding Dulcinea’s beauty. On hearing these remarks, Don Quixote charges but unfortunately Rocinante slips and our knight ends up beaten by a muleteer. What might be construed as a setback for Don Quixote is easily explained: it was Rocinante’s fault.  But equally important (to him) is the fact that the merchants addressed Don Quixote in chivalric terms.

388 thoughts on “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – Don Quixote Goes to Washington

  1. John;

    Re. your 9:18 am post.

    Looks like you’ve managed to reveal why you consider that Trinidadians are brighter than Bajans. But you need to study genetics a bit more. But such arguments as your have been long shown to be wrong by real geneticists.

  2. does not work on DNA.

    It works on records kept ….. duhhhhhhhh!!

    It provides a DNA service and can match cousins if I understand the service correctly.

    DNA can only give you a guide as where some of your ancestors may have come from.

    The remarkable thing is that the Chinese family can get back 851 years through records.

    It sounds as if it can name an ancestor who lived 851 years ago.

    It is not possible to do that with DNA unless you are fortunate enough to have been descended from someone like King Tut and a match can be made between his DNA and yours!!

  3. @Are-we, if you mean being wrong about him being sent home to the tower then I hope I am RIGHT because the alternatives are extremely frightening.

    Frankly even that alternative is scary because Pres Mike Pence may act with more legal and careful deliberation but he is even more dyed in the deeply woven conservative wool than the current president.

    Worst Alternatives:

    **** Trump is dismissed as Nordstrom took the heart and soul of his daughter’s clothing. There will be no raising stock prices in that scenario.

    And yes I am also confident that Trump can and will be stopped legally. He will overstep.

    I did not hear that MSNBC pundit but I heard others on CNN and read many others who all said his actions were beyond incredulous and absolutely wrong.

    Whether it’s his Republican colleagues re impeachment, a major investigation or a state driven law-suit that cascades into his political destructive avalanche, I believe he will fall. It will create a very dangerous country divisive dynamic, but so be it.

  4. John are you retarded…..I gave you the website to check that does the more indepth ancestral check…..I have used…

    …….the Chinese have checked their DNA…..DNA……DNA and found that their ancestors were from villages in Africa….google it yaself….chinese are now populating Africa with black females…back to black….google it yaself….let it kill ya.

    John and Lawson…why yall white people like to jump in front and maliciously insert yaselves in black people’s business, this young black man was celebrating love for his mother who raised him, and this dumb white woman tried to insert herself and was put in her place with surgical precision by twitter users….he was not raised by wolves or by other races, whatever that means, he was raised by his black mama…he has a right to celebrate her.

    Yall white people need to step the hell back and sit the hell down and mind ya own business….and that particularly goes to bajan whites.

    When White Woman Inserts Herself In Actor Kofi Siriboe’s Celebration of Black Women, His Fans Set Her Straight
    By Kiersten Willis – February 8, 201701019

    Kofe Siriboe (@kofisiriboe/Instagram)
    “Queen Sugar” star Kofi Siriboe found lots of support for his praise of Black women when a white woman felt he should have given props to all races instead.

    On Twitter Tuesday, Feb. 7, the actor, who is set to appear in the upcoming film “Girls Trip,” expressed love for his mother and applauded the devotion of Black women.

    A white Twitter user named Claire Palmer seemed to take offense to Siriboe placing the spotlight on Black women. She responded by pointing out mothers of all races are loving.

    Another woman, who is Black chimed in to defend Siriboe’s tweet…

    …and Palmer explained herself.

    Several others demanded Palmer remove herself from the conversation altogether.

  5. See what I mean John…..yall whites like to try to upstage black people even when you do not deserve attention….. after centuries of doing this, it has has now turned negative, now fully exposed…….new era.

  6. Slaves were given the European names of their owners
    and were raped by whites giving their slave children white DNA

  7. I have never seen any evidence of Chinese or Indian ancestry through my father.

    Portuguese and perhaps Amerindian … but I would have to do a DNA test to fid out if such ancestry exists.

    I won’t be able to get to the actual name of the person like the Chinese family was able to, just general areas.

    Spanish ancestry I also get from my mother, Sephardic Jews and I am guessing from my father I will have a link to Sephardic Jews as well.

    These were expelled from the Iberian Peninsula in 1492 when the Christians defeated the Moors.

    It is possible many of us may have a link to Chinese and Indian because as Islam spread out of what is now Saudi Arabia and invaded the Iberian Peninsula it could have brought with it Chinese and Indian blood.

    The Mongols reached as far as Saudi Arabia so it is possible over the centuries that the Moors brought with them to the Iberian Peninsula ancestry from further east.

    Islam also spread into to India through conquest.

    It is quite possible that we all in the Caribbean, besides African and European heritage, possess both Chinese and Indian heritage as well to some extent!!

    A DNA test may show this up but that is as close as it gets because for most of history, records of births were not kept or have been destroyed.

    There are brief periods when records will exist, eg in Egyptian and Sumerian civilization but it will only be regal records that may exist.

    In Aztec and Incan civilisations there will be a similar problem, in the case of Incan civilization I don’t think the art of writing was mastered.

  8. dpD;

    Looks like we are philosophically on the same page of the revelations of the Trump phenomenon. It is only our Crystal balls that differ re. what current happenings portend.

    I think that the GOP leadership has now clearly shown that it will not ever challenge Trump unless the People show unequivocally that they will reject them in the coming primaries and mid term elections. But Bannon, through Trump, has shown that he has masterminded a true work of genius which, given what has happened so far and the lack of outrage by the Republican and even Democrat Politicians, is not likely to be overthrown.

    The American politicians fail to recognize that the C change has already happened. A new America is inevitable. Any expectation that the Government will revert to a reasonable one is fast disappearing in the rearview mirror.

    What the GOP and Democrats are scared of is that a total existential chaos might erupt if they sought to use the normal remedy of impeachment for a president whose penchant is to thumb his nose at every tradition, check and balance that would, in pre-Trump times, have forced an impeachment process. Trump is not normal. He has bewitched several Americans (and even some Bajans). The GOP will, while getting their favourite projects passed, continue to ignore Trump’s obvious malfeances for the sake of reducing the possibility of gross instability. As time goes on Trump will become unassailable while his conduct becomes the new norm.

    But there is a possibility that something will happen to cause the situation to deteriorate and the Trump accommodations to be all be in vain.

    Putin’s stake and efforts in all this was in underwriting, through his support for the Donald in the last elections, to destabilize the USA. He succeeded only partially. He can only succeed fully if Trump (through Bannon, Flynn and perhaps Comey) go into the next phase – i.e. precipitating a Trump breakdown or blowup that would energize Trump’s minions to unthinkingly wreck the society.

    That is easy. Just an impeachment of Emperor Donald would do it.

    That is the Hobson’s choice that the three components of Government face at this time.

    • A good test of how the wind is blowing will be mid term elections. There is the view by Republicans that the protestors in America should be labeled sour grapes read Democrats.

  9. There were two major routes for slaves out of Africa, one overland from prehistoric times and the other more recently from the 15th century, via the Atlantic.

    As Islam spread into North Africa and across the Sahara and south into modern day Chad and Nigeria, it controlled the overland route, trans Saharan slave trade.

    If you goggle it you will find that male slaves, not only from Africa but also Europe were often castrated to prevent reproduction in Arab lands.

    There will also be Arab DNA in Moors going to Africa which also originated as Arabs and African women mixed.

  10. DNA – Proof of Noah’s Flood

    proof of noah’s flood dnaThis page provides good scientific proof of Noah’s Flood (and also Adam & Eve).

    Genetic evidence for the Flood – a human population bottleneck matching Noah’s Flood (Genesis 6-9) – is glaringly obvious when our DNA is examined truthfully and logically. You will learn how mutations in both Y Chromosomes and Mitochondria DNA can definitely point to the 4 men and 4 women who were on the Ark, around 4,500 years ago. Plus going back further – the genetic proof for the first humans, Adam and Eve.

    See that shows logically, by sound DNA science, not pseudo DNA science what the FACTS really are, confirming God’s Word, the Bible, and the true narrative account of Creation that goes back within 10,000 years, NOT hundreds of thousands of years, nonsense!

    Therefore, Facts become credible FACTS, when they are warranted to the relevant degree of certainty; which this honest, sound, DNA research does!

    Also, The structure of Justification, in defending and propositional TRUTH claim, IS* coherence, coherence is our sole criteria for TRUTH. This sound scientific DNA methodology coherently presents the TRUTH, point by point, piece by piece, COHERENTLY, as no other pseudo DNA science can do!

  11. What the GOP and Democrats are scared of is that a total existential chaos might erupt if they sought to use the normal remedy of impeachment for a president whose penchant is to thumb his nose at every tradition, check and balance that would, in pre-Trump times, have forced an impeachment process. Trump is not normal. He has bewitched several Americans (and even some Bajans). The GOP will, while getting their favourite projects passed, continue to ignore Trump’s obvious malfeances for the sake of reducing the possibility of gross instability. As time goes on Trump will become unassailable while his conduct becomes the new norm.

    Its the people, Trump exists because of the people!!

    The GOP and Dems have no choice but to change if they want to remain relevant!!

  12. “but I would have to do a DNA test to fid out if such ancestry exists.”

    John….that’s the only way you will ever know…a room filled with university students took the test recently, all were told by family they were jew, German, Scottish, Irish….this that and the next….the reality was quite different when test results came back DNA dies not lie……..results also revealed 2 cousins many times removed who never even know they existed, the white students were so shocked at some of the results, despite their appearances….they were struck speechless.

    DNA testing is the only way to know for sure….since the early 90s they have gotten even better at going back centuries further and further into the human genome…through DNA testing.

  13. Government of the people, by the people for the people!!!!!

    Press can’t say these words so it describes Trump as a populist president!!

    Trump is simply their instrument!!

  14. Are you channeling the illiterate…what nonsense was that…..I have DNA records that are very precise, specific, but if you mean they will become much cheaper more easily available, made available to everyone with immediate results, more advanced so that dumb ass humans will know exactly where they originated and stop believing themselves superior to each other because of manmade paper and greed……then yeah….definitely.

    They are always looking at cheaper more efficients ways to test and get DNA results to the 7.4 billion people on earth since the early 90s, that is not going anywhere, it can only get better and better.

    Give it up John….the scam is dead.

  15. @are-we-there-yet February 9, 2017 at 11:14 AM …Excellent. Absolutely excellent.
    Based on your summary sentence as “that is the Hobson’s choice that the three components of Government face at this time,” I would offer that the even our ‘crystal balls” differ only slightly.

    You are a right as rain re elections and as the blogmaster also says the mid-terms will set the course for the US.

    If as you allude to, Pres Trump is given a renewed mandate or stated differently, if the Dems cannot marshal their forces to enlighten a majority of voters that Donald Trump is very bad for US and the world then your “total existential chaos US” could be very real.

    Let’s all work towards the null position that “… his conduct becomes the new norm.” Or is it already the NORM! (Especially in Barbados where Mottley’s EduTech shenanigans and Thompson’s CLICO malfeasance are just a standard aspect of the political fabric).

    He is roiling his base and let us NOT forget there have been countless white-supremacist themed criminal/terror attacks on the US homeland already. The powder keg of which you speak is real and Hobson’s choice or not it makes no sense for Republicans to get a chalice filled with blood and desolation.

    You know only too well that Vlad Putin would be ecstatic with joy in helping the US implode.

    With that said my only variance with you is labeling Trump as not normal. I fully understand the context but he is quite normal. What he has done – as you said – is to fool people into accepting their worst fears and biases. Nothing abnormal about that…history is replete with major examples.

    What has happened to us is that we never had it from the bully pulpit of the US Presidency in such sustained, stand your ground sophistry and force.

    So yes he has ‘bewitched several Americans…” and I suspect that you are old enough to recall that lovely lady from the similarly named TV show. She did have to answer to equally authoritative branches of power did she not. LOLL.

    He will get his comeuppance…he is too brash and impulsive, not to.

  16. Precise and Specific do not equate with particular!!!!

    DNA testing has its problems!!

    Take for instance Elizabeth Warren and her ethnicity claim regarding Cherokee Indians

    DNA testing has real flaws so if somebody told you your DNA testing is precise and specific don’t believe them unless you are a gullible fool!!


    What an idiot terrorist.

    John you are on here claiming to maybe being,, without any evidence whatsoever……..

    Johns claims below:

    “I have never seen any evidence of Chinese or Indian ancestry through my father.

    Portuguese and perhaps Amerindian … but I would have to do a DNA test to fid out if such ancestry exists.”

    How do you know Warren was not tested, the testing is more available to her in the US… would have to send your sample to UK or US…you are claiming the same Native blood, I have seen pale people both in US ad Canada who has one parent that is Native Canadian or Native American, it’s more easily seen in blacks, like the recent Ms. USA, her cheekbones and facial structure shows native ancestry, the last 9 Ms. Universe candidates were clearly of mixed ancestry, so you cannot say Warren is lying.

  18. WC

    I said I have not gone back very far with my father so it is completely logical to say I have seen no evidence of Chinese or Indian ancestry in him …. kind of simple!!

    If DNA testing could have established Elizabeth Warren’s ethnicity beyond a doubt after she had been dragged over the coals for lying she would have had it done.

    Now that is a ridiculously simple conclusion!!

    … you still persist in your belief in the precision of a DNA test even …. gullible fool!!!

    I will ultimately, if I live, get myself DNA tested.

    So far I have only looked at four or five lines back to 10 generations ago … and only on my mother’s side.

    Ten generations ago I had 1024 ancestors!!!!

    I have barely scratched the surface.

    When I get around to it, I will know at a minimum what the DNA test will indicate and what sort of faith to place in it then but for now, I prefer the genealogical research which gives particular results.

    I rather see if the DNA test fits the facts rather than try to fit the facts to the results of the DNA test!!!

  19. John…as long as you continue to live in the 1600s and continue to try guessing who ya ancestors are….ya will never understand DNA testing…have you ever even seen a DNA test result, I doubt it, or you would know….keep guessing who ya are and where ya come from, it suits you.

    If she has not already, all Warren has to do is take the test, it will tell her if she is 1/100 or 1/32 native, like with you and your family all the folklore passed down yhrough family from one generation to the next and guess work will never tell her anything about her ancestry, ya guess cause ya dont know.

  20. Better watch out, when palin is finished with that putz, he wont want to look at a woman again, He better not challenge her to a boxing match like the self medicating indian senator because she will make him cry for real instead of the bullshit shumer tears he can produce on que.

  21. “Sarah Palin has been touted as a potential US ambassador to Canada, prompting a mixture of mirth, confusion and anger from their neighbours north of the border.”

    Lawson…look haha haha, lol

  22. I love it , the only thing better is if we got mike tyson I may go to one of those july 4th parties at the ambassadors residence sounds like these people know how to have agood time

  23. Lawson..Palin is dumb enough to make the illiterate build a wall upstate from Buffalo to Mitchigan, haha…and force Justin to pay for it with your

  24. The only thing Palin does is shoot deer and moose who cant shoot right back at her in her big empty head.

  25. Moose you say, so your not thinking of coming to canada if she is appointed. Look at least she has the manners in that head to not be dragging your pussy along the sidewalk when visiting another country like trudeaus mum.
    WW if you are on the computer all day who is guarding hades.

  26. WC

    The biggest problem is that our DNA comes from only a fraction of our ancestors. Every time an egg and sperm get together, roughly half the DNA of each makes it into the child-to-be. “If you go enough generations back there is a chance you don’t have any DNA from a particular ancestor,” said population geneticist Kasia Bryc of 23andMe. That chance rises the farther back you go, as population biologist Graham Coop of the University of California, Davis, has calculated.

    The chance of an ancestor’s DNA not making it to a descendant is greater when a family tree has extensive “admixture,” meaning ancestors from multiple population groups — as Warren has said hers does.

    The verdict:

    “If Warren did have testing and it found Native American ancestry, we could be confident” she had a tribal ancestor, said 23andMe’s Bryc. But if it weren’t found, it could be because DNA from a single Native American ancestor happened not to survive five generations of DNA scrambling. “Just because DNA [associated with Native Americans or any other population group] isn’t there doesn’t mean you should give up your family stories,” said AncestryDNA’s Byrnes.

    It is a case of hit or miss!!!

  27. Look warren is just like that white woman that was the leader of the naacp , they tell the lie often enough they start to believe it. I cannot imagine that woman as head of the US she is no maggie thatcher.

    • John

      Castration of male slaves had nothing to do with spreading the slaves’ DNA around. If you check your history, you would realise that the men were enslaved and the women were kept as concubines. Many of those women bore children for their captors. The DNA would have been spread through the women.

      As a white man, if you look downstairs you would realise why the slave owners castrated the African men. If that glance did not give you a clue then let me explain. African men were notorious for the size of their members. As I understand it, when the white women sampled one of those members, they did not want to go back to those little things that merely penetrated but went little further. To avoid such occurrences, the black males were castrated.

      Sent from my iPad

  28. If you look at the current example of a slave raid in the Sudan where women and children are taken into slavery, Christian organisations raise money to purchase their freedom you will see that men are killed because they are dangerous.

    Children and women are submissive.

    The slave raiders of today in the Sudan do not waste time castrating males, they simply kill them. They are useless to them and potentially dangerous as combatants.

    It is in the New World that African males were considered useful and valuable in an agricultural economy.

    Those taken across the Sahara Desert into slavery in the lands of the Arabs where agriculture was unimportant, were used in some case to guard the harems of the Sultans and castration ensured none of his concubines, some of them Africans, could be impregnated by any man other than the Sultan himself.

    There may be something to what you claim about the size of the members of African men because you will see if you google the topic that castration in the Arab lands involved removal of all external genitalia, testicles included ….. except of course that male slaves from Europe also suffered the same fate.

  29. Lawson….my broom.

    John…what’s with posting that video continually about slavery, ya got a guilty conscience or what…that is now your lot in life to post documented crimes against the then slaves.

    The self-proclaimed most superior people in the world documented each and every crime they committed against slaves…I hope you do not think you are gloating.

    During slavery when the white women and men go black through raping slaves……they could never go back…lol that alone drove their hatreds..

  30. “Look warren is just like that white woman that was the leader of the naacp , they tell the lie often enough they start to believe it.”

    Lol…that’s inherited from their white ancestors, they are now aching to be black, a new fantasy…lol

  31. The Federal appeals court has slapped down the illiterate in the white house…idiot.

    US appeals court refuses to reinstate Donald Trump’s travel ban

    The ruling is the latest legal blow to one of the president’s biggest campaign promises

    Justin Carissimo New York @JstnMchl 4 hours ago

    A federal appeals court on Thursday denied to enforce President Trump’s refugee and travel ban affecting people from seven Muslim-majority countries. The unanimous decision is the latest and most striking legal blow to one of the president’s biggest campaign promises.

    “We hold that the Government has not shown a likelihood of success on the merits of its appeal, nor has it shown that failure to enter a stay would cause irreparable injury, and we therefore deny its emergency motion for a stay,” the panel wrote in its decision.

    New York City bodegas strike to protest Trump’s travel ban”


    Bring ot on loser…lol

    “New York Daily News

    Federal appeals court upholds halt on Trump’s travel ban
    NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Thursday, February 9, 2017, 6:58 PM

    The ruling by the San Francisco-based 9th Circuit Court of Appeals marks a defeat for the Trump White House. (WIN MCNAMEE / GETTY IMAGES / POOL/EPA)
    In a stinging rebuke to President Trump, a federal appeals court on Thursday ruled to let stand the halt on the White House’s travel ban.

    The San Francisco-based 9th Circuit Court of Appeals handed down a huge victory for opponents of Trump’s order, ruling against the Justice Department’s request for a stay on a Seattle judge’s earlier order to halt the travel ban until it could undergo a more comprehensive review.

    In its ruling, which shelves the controversial measure indefinitely, the court held “that the Government has not shown a likelihood of success on the merits of its appeal, nor has it shown that failure to enter a stay would cause irreparable injury.”

    “We therefore deny its emergency motion for a stay,” the court wrote.

    In the ruling, the court explained that, “to rule on the Government’s motion, we must consider several factors, including whether the Government has shown that it is likely to succeed on the merits of its appeal, the degree of hardship caused by a stay or its denial, and the public interest in granting or denying a stay.”

    “We assess those factors in light of the limited evidence put forward by both parties at this very preliminary stage and are mindful that our analysis of the hardships and public interest in this case involves particularly sensitive and weighty concerns on both sides,” the court added.

    Moments after the ruling was handed down, Trump took to Twitter to express his displeasure.


    Trump had promised to pursue the case through the Supreme Court if the halt on the ban were upheld.”

  33. Pacha, WW&C

    Your celebrations are premature. The politician-judges of the Ninth Circuit Court, with their San Francisco values, ruled today against the president on the procedural issue of whether the travel ban should be lifted pending a future decision on the merits of the ban.

    But the president is still free to argue for the ban on its merits. There is no question that as the head of the executive branch of the federal government he has the authority to exclude any class of aliens from the United States on national security grounds. But his political enemies are twisting the law and disregarding the plain language of a federal statute, as well as departing from historical precedents, to make foolish decisions from the bench that historians will denounce hundreds of years from now.

    • @chad999999

      What is the rationale for selecting the 7 countries. How will the judges determine ‘harm’ if he (Trump) advances the appeal?

  34. Again you talk rubbish Chadster cause ya just don’t know….the illiterate one will have to settle for the immigration laws and processes currently in place that will break up families etc as has been happening for decades…

    …..,he has been banned indefinitely from practicing mass deportations on documented as well as undocumented immigrants and banning people from countries without proof that they present a danger to the US….he has to follow the constitution from here on in……..or suspend it….
    let him appeal to the Supreme Court and see.

    The judicial government rules.

  35. @chad459 at 8:36 PM # The facts of history does not support your views.

    The President has continued to make baseless claims that the security of the nation is at risk with this denial of the President’s order.

    If that is true then he needs to immediately redo the order so that he can avoid the issues of this denial and protect the homeland from the imminent threat.

    That would be the actions of a real commander who actually believes that national security is a concern rather than one playing stupid ego games to fulfill a campaign promise.

    Based on courts stopping other Presidents on national security mandates for example disputes re Guantanamo for both Obama and Bush (different scenarios) there is limited rationale that history will look askance at this decision…even if they are overturned at the Supremes (and the case sent back to the original court).

    Trump has shown to the entire world to be the quick shooting, careless cowboy we all thought him to be.

    @Are-We : He can be stopped…this is one small (perhaps temporary) example; And check that KellyAnn Conway stupidity as well. When the avalanche starts to roll it will be devastating! LOLL.

  36. David, the rationale was as you know the ‘blame Obama dictum’. However he is off kite-surfing and has nothing to do with this folly.

    There has yet to be any rational explanation of why these seven countries were banned.

    The argument that the Obama admin had selected them makes absolutely no sense to support the security risk- unless there was a new threat received.

    There was already serious and purposeful vetting in place.

    Trump has been called on his poorly prepared order.

  37. David February 9, 2017 at 8:53 PM #
    What is the rationale for selecting the 7 countries. How will the judges determine ‘harm’ if he (Trump) advances the appeal?


    Wasn’t it Congress under the former administration?

  38. David;

    I think the rationale was that these seven countries had indeed been identified by Obama and supported by Congress for the institution of “extreme vetting” since the Obama administration felt that adequate documentation for vetting prospective applicants for visas from these countries was difficult to get because of chaotic conditions in those countries. Hence Obama instituted special vetting sometimes extending over many years to ensure that there was negligible risk of potential terrorists getting into America. The Obama administration did not institute a total ban of applicants from those countries. It merely took different actions to achieve the same result. Note that the Congress was involved in Obamas action on these identified countries. Trump’s ban was merely a quick fix that was not even discussed with important agencies prior to it being proclaimed and certainly not with congress.


    So noted!

    Will await Trump’s further reaction to see if I should modify my views on the stage of his takeover of all relevant Governmental institutions in the USA and the likelihood of existential damage to that country arising from his short imperial rule so far. Hopefully, he will do as you indicated and withdraw the original order and replace it with a well thought out one asap. But there’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. For America and the World’s sake lets hope that he uncharacteristically admits defeat and correct that misstep.

  39. Many still believe the conspiracy theory associated with 9/11. Lets hope that those red neck fanatics who support Trump to the hilt,in order to prove Trump is right, do not start to shoot their own Uncle Sam in his feet.

  40. Colonel Buggy

    THis is exactly what is going to happen.

    Trunk and his Hitlerian Goons will contrive an “I told you so situation” in short shrift.

    Of course the actors will all die in the situation and anyone who says anything contrary will seem like if they are anti America.

    This is what countries get when they vote for clowns and megalomaniacs and men with the look and the 3 second attention span, of a goldfish

  41. Just in;

    Flynn, Trumps National Security Advisor. has now admitted that he discussed the Obama Sanctions of Russia for interfering in the elections with the Russian ambassador before the inauguration. Something he had previously denied. Under normal situations that would be a crime of massive proportions. But who knows with Trump?

    The action is moving fast and furious.

    Lets see what Trump does tomorrow about the Court case on the Muslim ban. Will wiser heads prevail? Are there wiser heads amongst Trump’s advisors? Will he listen to them if they are any?

    The next few days are going to be some of the most important ones in America’s modern history.

    Look out for the Trump supporters!

  42. @ Are We There Yet.

    @ 9.51 pm the first part of your post summarizes what the issues concerning being “Vetted for for a visa” entails.

    But I will try to shed some light on what is a serious problem and why it is ten times worse in the ME in territories where lying is like breathing

    We are going to use the GoB’s immigration Department and the US process as an example to detail what ICE is dealing with.

    I am going to use the names of 4 imaginary people solely to personalize the experience.

    Any likeness to any characters living or dead is purely coincidental

    And I will ONLY focus on the Passport/Travel Document portion of the cycle since all of the rest of the cycle is internal to ICE

    Step 1. Who am I? The first step of the passport process requires that a Baptism and Birth Certificates is secured.

    This process is open to being compromised by the Records sections of the hospital and other agencies and, in countries where these procedures per registration of a birth are not adhered to, well you dun know what we are talking bout….

    All documents are presented with pictures, signed by a Justice of the Peace or other reputable party, the the Reverend Doctor N. Miwatch (the N is for Notunder)

    A Reverend, Justice of the Peace can be bought and pictures provided can be for anyone behind the niqab

    In very populous countries, “ground-truthing” an ID of an individual is pretty much impossible. You are really trusting these foreign functionaries

    Step 2. Securing the Passport.

    Passports are usually issued post getting the Police Certificates of Character.

    With archaic Record Keeping, any record can be made to disappear at the Commissioner of Police Level, whu after all, dem High Power Rifles disappear for in the CoP office and not a soul ent know where they are up to today.
    Step 3. Finally all this paperwork makes it way to Humpty Dumpty.

    Now, even though Barbados does not officially have a Citizenship byInvestment Programme, Humpty Dumpty has be administering one of these for years.

    AND, depending on the going rate, Humpty Dumpty will allow applicants to “benefit” from this long standing CIP, proceeds of which do not feed into the Treasury. Directly.

    By the way, in the other 7 countries, every single one of those steps is manned by a person who can and will do a ting which loosely means that people who are dead or are absolute fabrications of a multi tiered system of trickery are processed as Abu Bakir bin Sheik

    The following are th US ICE internal steps, (i) Visitor Visa Application with its tricky questions. (ii) the Visitor Visa Application Fee (where they ask the Bank Manager for verifications of your account information, frequency of use, levels of funds, persistency etc. (iii) Visitor Visa Interview Appointment where you are cross examined for irregularities and where your passport is interrogated for *** and of course the controversial (iv) Visitor Visa Fingerprinting at the Country of Embarkation before your donkey leaves and when de ole man say before he mean dat when you get fingerprint in Barbados? you rcords dun get sent to de US for processing and (vi) the Entry Process and the Port of Disembarkation and a repeat of the Visitor Visa Interview Process just in case wunna fooping the US Consular Officer at de Embassy and piece uh poonani from the Honey Trap got he entrapped.

    250 million visitors to the USA per year is not two cents in people so you really have to get it right.

    Trunk did this wrong.

    He could have achieved the objective desired BUT he and his henchmen are not braniacs but de ole man ent here to advise nobody about dese tings dem or not Humpty Dumpty would loss he pick

  43. Trump did nothing wrong with this executive order.

    The Ninth Circuit has objected to the Order because it fails to provide due process protections to green card holders, non-immigrant visa holders, refugees and undocumented aliens (if the latter are already in the US). But it also says it could consider other objections to the Order, on the grounds that it disfavors Muslims and may have been intended as a Muslim ban in violation of the Establishment Clause and the Equal Protection provisions of the Constitution.

    The due process rationale should not apply to alien nonrefugees who have never visited the United States.

    To see how ridiculous the Muslim ban/equal protection argument is, consider that the US has an annual visa lottery that favors some nationality groups over others, and nobody ever said the lottery is unconstitutional.

    The appeals court also claims that the president has not shown evidence of harm to national security if the Order is enjoined. But the president is not obliged to share closely held state secrets with these judges.

    Trump should stage a security incident to blow up this decision.

  44. Colonel Buggy February 9, 2017 at 10:00 PM #
    Many still believe the conspiracy theory associated with 9/11. Lets hope that those red neck fanatics who support Trump to the hilt,in order to prove Trump is right, do not start to shoot their own Uncle Sam in his feet.

    … and still, to many others 9/11 has another significance.

    On 11th September 1683 the Polish Army and its allies arrived on the hills around Vienna to relieve the siege by the Ottoman Turks.

    The following day, 12th September, the Ottoman Turks were defeated and fled.

    This marked a turning point in the struggle between Islam and Christendom.

    Like the arrival of Blucher and the Prussians at the Battle of Waterloo in 1815 the intervention was last minute and turned the tide.

    Was the anniversary of the defeat of the Ottoman Turks chosen with this in mind?

  45. Very clear violations of the Constitution by the illiterate one…….either suspend the constitution….or bring it on.

    “In their decision, the panel also ruled that Mr Trump’s talk of a “Muslim ban” on the campaign trail can be used as evidence for discrimination. “The States argue that the Executive Order violates the Establishment and Equal Protection Clauses because it was intended to disfavor Muslims,” reads the decision.

    “In support of this argument, the States have offered evidence of numerous statements by the President about his intent to implement a ‘Muslim ban’ as well as evidence they claim suggests that the Executive Order was intended to be that ban, including sections 5(b) and 5(e) of the Order. It is well established that evidence of purpose beyond the face of the challenged law may be considered in evaluating Establishment and Equal Protection Clause claims.

    Omar Jadwat, the director of the ACLU’s Immigrant Rights Project, agreed with the panel’s decision.

    “The appeals court’s refusal to reinstate the Muslim ban is correct,” he said in a statement to The Independent. “The government’s erratic and chaotic attempts to enforce this unconstitutional ban have taken a tremendous toll on innocent individuals, our country’s values, and our standing in the world. We will keep fighting this un-American executive order until it is permanently dismantled.”

    Meanwhile, Nihad Awad, co-founder and executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, reminded supporters that the legal fight against the Trump administration is far from over.

    “We applaud this ruling as a reaffirmation of the strength and independence of our system of justice. This decision adds to the long list of federal judges—both Republican and Democratic appointees—who found reason to block this discriminatory order,” he said in a statement.

    “While this decision is critical, it is not the end of the legal process. Other courts across the country will be passing judgment on this order, and the US Supreme Court will likely weigh in at some point. This victory should not lead to complacency,” he continued. “This and other Trump administration orders and policies still pose a threat to communities of color, religious minorities, women, and others.”

  46. @ Chad99999

    You said and I quote “….Trump should stage a security incident to blow up this decision…”

    You mean more…you mean more for surely the staged senseless shootings prior to the election last year were text book contrived social disorder and chaos straight from the movies that Trunk is watching.

    These are simpleton strategies for a simple people, the Americans much like Bajans are simple and are unconcerned with the warwe are fighting between Fumbles and Mugabe.

    Six of one and half dozen of the other, sad

    And the outcome so predictable…


    A lawsuit would help significantly in any impeachment process going forward.

    Chadsterthetrumppimp….it’s been months now I have pegged you as lowlife and fraud, you have no right being in the US and your work permit should not be renewed, if that is not a lie too, most importantly, if the illiterate one gets anyone so stupid asvto agree to stage any bombings in the US to kill innocent people to frame middle eastern people….let’s just say I hope you are the first to get caughtbup in it and blown to help into little pieces.., younare a useless, ill informed piece of shit.

    That criminal deviousness has already played, it cant work twice successfully, but as things stand…there is no one currently intellectually capable of that type of devious intelligence, particularly the illiterate one…he aint bright enough, they cannot even find anyone willing to risk their freedom or integrity to be an efficient and competent press secretary, two people turned down the job, they do not want to be associated…no intelligent person is willing to go to prison for or with the illiterate, one exactly where all of this headed……..they cannot even get an overseas raid right.

    As well educated that you claim to be Chadster, why dont you volunteer to be a suicide bomber in the US for the illiterate….ya cant be that well educated or loyal if ya cant.

  48. “Trunk did this wrong.

    He could have achieved the objective desired BUT he and his henchmen are not braniacs but de ole man ent here to advise nobody about dese tings dem or not Humpty Dumpty would loss he pick.”

    The illiterate one first tried to delete the judicial government and when that did not work he tried to bypass the constitution… he will have to face the judicial government head on….or back off…..the justices will see a civil war in the making, that is what the judicial government exists for…to prevent any such occurrences by an illiterate president…keeping him in check. To save face, but in the process will succeed in getting himself impeached…he will have to suspend the constitution to get around those judges….the constitution does not support mass deportations.., there are already processes in place fir orderly deportations. Full stop.

    Chadsterthetrumppimp. ..I had to fix the errors because you must able to read it clearly.

    Chadsterthetrumppimp….it’s been months now I have pegged you as lowlife and fraud, you have no right being in the US and your work permit should not be renewed, if that is not a lie too, most importantly, if the illiterate one gets anyone so stupid as to agree to stage any bombings in the US to kill innocent people to frame middle eastern people….let’s just say I hope you are the first to get caught up in it and blown to hell into tiny little pieces.., you are a useless, ill informed piece of shit.

  49. Meanwhile back in Bim the “Cahill lookalike” del Mastro solar scam resurfaces – Elections must be near and some people trying to get a golden umbrella.

    • AWTY

      Don’t be so naïve. You think that they are waiting until this late hour to secure their golden umbrella. Anyone who was set on bribe taking and other forms of corruption would have done so already. Anything they get now would just be icing on the stolen cake.

  50. Let us really hear and read some of the facts regarding Trumps travel ban, and what Obama DID in a similiar regard, and NO one said a word against Obama!!

    ‘Stealth Invasion’ author: Here’s why left’s ‘frothing at mouth’ over Trump order
    Hohmann: Anti-Christian, U.N. agendas both in play in immigration protests

    Protests erupted across America last weekend after President Trump signed an executive order temporarily barring immigrants from seven terror-producing nations as well as all refugees.

    Veteran WND reporter and news editor Leo Hohmann said the word “meltdown” doesn’t even begin to describe the reaction of Trump critics.

    “I have never seen the left so enraged and aroused and just out there causing chaos and havoc in any way they can,” Hohmann told host Susan Knowles in a an interview on “Stand for Truth Radio.” “They’re just frothing at the mouth about these new executive orders coming out of the White House.”

    But Hohmann, author of the new book “Stealth Invasion: Muslim Conquest Through Immigration and the Resettlement Jihad,” pointed out that what Trump did is very similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he froze the processing of Iraqi refugees for six months because of terrorism fears.

    Likewise, President George W. Bush paused the resettlement of refugees from several countries in the aftermath of 9/11.

    In fact, each of the last five presidents at some point exercised their right to suspend the entry of certain individual aliens or classes of aliens, according to a recent report from the Congressional Research Service.

    “There is nothing – nothing – radical about what President Trump has done, and yet you see the left just seething with hatred and just foaming at the mouth, just coming unglued,” Hohmann said.

    He said the left’s determination to label Trump’s action a “Muslim ban” shows no respect for the facts: Citizens from the majority of the world’s Muslim countries, including places like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Indonesia, are still allowed to enter the United States. What’s more, a recent Rasmussen poll found most American voters support Trump’s temporary ban on individuals from terrorist-producing countries.

    Knowles warned her audience not to fall for left-wing propaganda.

    “When you see something on TV or on Periscope in regard to these protests that are going on, just know in reality this is a very small number as compared to everybody in the United States,” she cautioned. “We have to stop falling for those traps, and those Saul Alinsky traps, Leo, like the #MuslimBan. Those are hashtags that Saul Alinsky would be proud of because it just keeps the propaganda going.”

    America is headed down a suicidal path – but it’s a subtle invasion, and not many Americans understand the full extent of the problem. Get all the details in Leo Hohmann’s brand new book “Stealth Invasion: Muslim Conquest Through Immigration and Resettlement Jihad,” available now in hard copy or e-book at the WND Superstore.

    Hohmann noted Obama engaged in something close to a Syrian Christian ban during his presidency, as less than 1 percent of Syrian refugees admitted were Christian despite the fact that Christians face persecution in Syria. But the left never protested the relative lack of Christian refugees; they saved all their vitriol for Trump’s so-called “Muslim ban.”

    Hohmann isn’t even willing to say all the protesters have good intentions.

    “I don’t even know if I can write them off as gullible and stupid,” he said. “I believe a lot of them are part of this agenda, this America-hating, Christian-hating, Jewish-hating agenda. So they may not be Islamic themselves, but they share a lot of the same values that come straight out of the Quran, which [include] anti-Semitism and anti-Christianity.”

    He conceded there are many “useful idiots” among the anti-Trump protesters, but they serve the agenda nonetheless.

    “The people who are organizing the useful idiots, in my opinion, know darn well what they’re doing, and they’re using Islam as a battering ram against Western civilization and Christianity, which they have always hated and always wanted to destroy,” he said.

    However, the contempt for Trump is not just evidence of a pro-Islam agenda. Hohmann also believes leftist and globalist elites, such as George Soros, are getting nervous because Trump is refusing to play by their rules.

    “For the first time in 30-something years we’ve got a president who wants to run the country and run Washington like an actual American instead of a member of the United Nations,” Hohmann said.

    He pointed out the U.N. 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development essentially affirms the right of any impoverished person in a Third World country to migrate to a wealthier country and receive a warm welcome, complete with “affordable” benefits. In fact, the U.N. has made international migration a key part of its 2030 agenda.

    “What the U.N. is really after is a massive global redistribution of wealth plan, and they accomplish this basically through two methods,” Hohmann said. “And these are the exact same methods that Trump has hit upon: it’s trade and immigration.”

    He said the U.N. plans to redistribute wealth from the First World to the Third World partly through secretive trade deals that globalist presidents like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama willingly signed onto. These deals have the effect of outsourcing jobs from the U.S. to various Third World countries.

    “And then, as if that wasn’t bad enough, the jobs that are left in this country have more competition suddenly involved in getting those jobs because we’re going to invite the world, the Third World, into our country to compete for the crumbs that are left after we complete the unfair trade deals!” Hohmann said.

    America is headed down a suicidal path – but it’s a subtle invasion, and not many Americans understand the full extent of the problem. Get all the details in Leo Hohmann’s brand new book “Stealth Invasion: Muslim Conquest Through Immigration and Resettlement Jihad,” available now in hard copy or e-book at the WND Superstore.

  51. Americans Are More Worried About Terrorism Than They Were Right ……/american…september-11/499004/
    Sep 8, 2016 – Americans Are More Worried About Terrorism Than They Were After 9/11 … According to Pew’s latest figures, 40 percent of Americans now believe the …. President Obama’s efforts to allay this paranoia—including numerous …

  52. List of flood myths – Wikipedia
    The flood myths or deluge myths are, taken collectively, myths of a great flood. These accounts depict global flooding, usually sent by a deity or deities to destroy civilization as an act of divine retribution.
    ‎Sumerian creation myth · ‎Gilgamesh flood myth · ‎Noah in Islam

  53. British Prime Minister Harold Wilson was absolutely right, when he said a week in politics is a long time. For Trump a month could be a life time.

  54. The game is afoot. The Trump pack of Russian cards is falling down.

    Flynn is now on the ropes, then the other Russian enablers will follow, then Trump will bring it down.

    All gine tru de edders.

  55. What’s wrong in taking steps to defend/protect your country, lets not forget that BUSH ground ALL flights in and out of he US, no one in, no one out….for a period of time….was it justifiable? ALTHOUGH, a Saudi family/flight was allowed out. ummm…..

  56. Nine o,
    The word Oklahoma, should remind people like you that country has nothing to do with terrorism. That bomber was home born, home grown, and entirely American. He was not a Muslim, and just hated the government. Trump’s attempt to isolate the U.S. will not prevent home grown terrorists.

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