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Jeff Cumberbatch - Columnist, Barbados Advocate
Jeff Cumberbatch – Columnist, Barbados Advocate

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter…”Winston Churchill.

“Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time…”Winston Churchill

The story is that the deliberations of the US Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, curious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. Their answer was soon provided. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin on his exit, “Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?” With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, “A republic, if you can keep it.”

As did most of my friends by their own admission, I spent last Wednesday morning in a funk of astonishment and disbelief at the events that had transpired in the US a few hours before. We were trying, as Maureen Dowd put it in her opinion piece in the New York Times last Wednesday, to “absorb the impossible”. Despite the geographical inexactitude and patent vagueness of his campaign slogan to “Make America Great Again”; despite his petulance and clear unease at articulating clearly any policy position; despite his clear contempt for those of a race or culture different from his own; despite his abandonment by the Republican establishment after flagrant displays of an offensive misogyny and mimicry of the disabled; and despite the unanimous certainty of the pre-election polls to the contrary, Donald J Trump had secured the mandate of the people (via the Electoral College) to become the next President of the United States of America.

And yet, on further reflection, it is not that difficult to explain this alarming event, although no single factor will suffice. For one, there is the vagary of democracy itself. Churchill’s dictum in the epigraph might seem uncharitable and perhaps even out of sync with our current constitutional ethos, but it may serve eloquently to explain in part some surprising results in recent democratic decisions such as the BREXIT referendum in the UK, the rejection of the peace accord in Colombia, the Trump victory and perhaps some others besides. And polls are mostly unable to predict these types of results because the actuality is that very few responders want to be perceived as being out of step with the prevailing view. I can count, on fewer than four fingers, the number of individuals who, to my knowledge, contemplated that Trump would have won this contest and even so, this was mostly because they hated Mrs. Hillary Clinton more.

This point as to the unthinking nature of voters should not be understated. In an interesting column published online in Foreign Policy, Jason Brennan first posits inarguably that “democracy is supposed to enact the will of the people” and then queries “but what if the people have no clue what they’re doing?” His thesis is that most voters are ignorant or misinformed because the costs to them of acquiring political information greatly exceed the potential benefits. He likens the democratic exercise to a professor telling her hypothetical class of 210 million that in their final exam no individual will receive his or her personal grade but that everyone will get the same grade. In that case, he argues, no one would bother to study and the common grade would be an “F”. He concludes therefore, “…voting is more like doing the wave at a sports game than it is like choosing policy.”

For some, it might have been precisely this Brennanesque stance of belittling the native intelligence of the ordinary voter that led ineluctably to the Trump triumph. One writer has argued persuasively that the choice made on Tuesday last might have been less of a instinctual default option and more of an “intelligent” choice. For him, anger and uncertainty at the inexorable march of globalization and technology had reached such a pitch that many voters were ready for disruption [of the status quo] at any cost.

“Enough of elites; enough of experts; enough of the status quo; enough of the politically correct; enough of the liberal intelligentsia and cultural overlords with their predominant place in the media; enough of the financial wizards who brought the 2008 meltdown and stagnant incomes and jobs disappearing offshore” is how Roger Cohen expresses their collective frustration in the New York Times, a worldview that could find some commonality in Trump’s sloganeering and would be antithetical rather to the Clinton campaign where the candidate herself was perceived as the epitome of this perverse state of affairs.

Indeed, more than a few commentators in recent days have focused their readership’s attention on the unsuitability of Mrs. Clinton as the worthiest Democratic opponent for Mr. Trump. Not-so- easily-dismissed suspicions about the moral authenticity of the process that brought her the nomination as the candidate of the Democratic Party; her coziness with “them” (the financial and social establishment) and a regrettable sense of entitlement that, perhaps unfairly, suggested that she should be free from popular and legal scrutiny –what Maureen Dowd calls a “miasma of financial and ethical cheesiness”; would scarcely have endeared Mrs. Clinton to the alienated rural voter in the counties and states of Middle America.

Nor should we discount lightly the bigotry that might have induced apoplexy should a female be allowed to follow a blackish individual into the White House and that would have felt itself threatened by the inexorable “browning” of a formerly whitish USA.

Today’s headline to this column poses a question for further debate. It is part of a broader inquiry as to what type of President is Trump likely to be. Given his flip-flopping with the truth during his campaign, it would be mere conjecture to base this conclusion purely on his utterances then. Will he be the candidate who claims that he knows more about ISIS than even the generals on the Joint Chiefs of Staff and thus be the individual defender of the “Free World” or will the demands and stresses of the office, so clearly evident in the frosting of the crowns of both Presidents Clinton and Obama during their respective tenures, humble him sufficiently to tone down his inflammatory exclusionist rhetoric?

The defining characteristic of the republican system of government as distinct from that of the monarchical that the US would have successfully rebelled against in 1776, is its checks and balances inherent in the constitutional construct of the separation of powers to ensure that no one branch impinges on the exclusive preserve of the other. Trump’s campaign discourse made a mockery of this principle with his frequent references as to what “I” would do. There was no correspondingly frequent mention of “my administration”.

Now, with the Republicans controlling both the Senate and Congress, and with a President Trump, emboldened by his electoral mandate, entitled to reject the Republican establishment as a consequence of their earlier treatment causing him to do it “all by himself”, the circumstances are ideal for a return to a quasi-monarchical system of “Trumpism”.


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396 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Return to the Monarchy?”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Pacha…a decades old accumulation of variables.


  2. Trump is the best thing that could ever happen to the USA,it will either sink or swim.

  3. Anonymouse - TheGazer Avatar
    Anonymouse – TheGazer

    I heard someone trying to explain why poor and uneducated whites were supporting Trump.

    Imagine a time when you only the color of your skin was the only qualification you needed to join a corporation; when without the required qualifications you could become the boss of others who were more qualified; when your application for the very job was preferred to that of more qualified candidates; and when the corridors of power were staffed by those who looked like you.

    But then times changed. Suddenly, skin tone is no longer the main tool of getting job access; the color of the workplace is no longer milk white and the corner offices are no longer reserved for folks who look just like you.

    And along comes a man who agrees with you and that we need to get back to the good old days. Is it racist, if you hunger and run after his message? Is it self/race preservation.

    I cannot completely discount the racist elements, but just to rely on that argument is too simplistic.

  4. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Anonymouse – TheGazer at 10:04 AM re “We heard of the lack of the Trump ground game and the remarkable HC ground game; HC’s ground game seem to have brought out fewer Clintonites than Trumpeters.”

    This statement about lack of Trump ground game is one of the many nonsensical reports coming out of the campaign. It was a comfort for neophytes and nothing more.

    The RNC had as stupendous a ground game as anything Clinton had.

    It matched the Dems volunteer for volunteer getting all the seniors from group homes communities and all the other things these folks do.

    The fact the media perpetuated that abject fallacy was always very interesting to me.

  5. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    This analysis, although Canadian, is the closest that the conventional media has come to understanding the Trump phenomenon:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/us-election/the-real-reason-donald-trump-got-elected-we-have-a-white-extremism-problem/article32817625/

  6. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @chad99999
    Trump won primarily because of his racism, and secondarily because 6 million voters abandoned the candidate of the Democratic Party.
    Here is a demographic breakdown of the Trump victory:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls
    And another one:
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/behind-trumps-victory-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

    231,556,622 eligible voters
    46.9% didn’t vote
    25.6% voted for Clinton
    25.5% voted for Trump

    1.7% voted for Johnson

    Total votes for Mitt Romney, 2012: 60,933,504
    For Barack Obama, 2012: 65,915,795
    Total votes for Trump, 2016: 59,353,323
    For Clinton, 2016: 59,589,612
    Trump got fewer votes than Clinton, Obama or Romney.

    There is only one hypothesis that I can formulate which survives comparison with the data; white voters elected Trump in a white supremacist backlash against everything that has changed since civil rights achieved some progress in the 60s.


  7. @Peter

    Ok, the article explains how Whites votes, it does not explain why many who voted for Obama stayed at home, what about Blacks who didn’t vote. This is a complex issue. Is the USA a Pluralistic society or not!

  8. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    Trump supporters were not distinguished by poverty or unemployment: a majority of voters that earn less than $50k, and a strong majority of those with incomes below $30k, chose Clinton. Mr. Trump got his strongest support from solidly middle-class white people with incomes from $50k to $100k, and also won more support in higher-income groups.

    This isn’t the kind of overt racism that we find in the KKK or the American Nazi Party; instead it is the kind revealed by this research:
    http://www.prri.org/research/divide-americas-future-1950-2050/
    which shows that 72% of Trump voters say that things were better in the 50s. You know, the good old days of Jim Crow and lynching Black people.

  9. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    Many who voted for Obama in 2012 stayed at home in 2016 (approximately 6 million of them) because Clinton was a deeply flawed candidate.


  10. David

    We don’t live in hope

    To us, that is a fanciful notion, not to be afforded

    The peoples of world are already confronting the establishment, on globalism etc

    These awakenings will increase because the global elites are insistent on ruling the whole world, an impoverishment of 99% of us.

    Soon people everywhere will have no choice but to resist the establishment

    And they must fall when properly confronted

    None of these constitutional constraints will avoid a war that must be won.

    What democracy could there be when there is no ‘bread’, no meat.

  11. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://ow.ly/S8wT3067zPs

    Trying to slither his conman ass out of it.


  12. David

    Don’t be naive

    Obama is seeking to feather his nest for a life after

    With the TTP, TTIP under his belt he will increase the ‘speaking fees’ the corporatists will go him.

  13. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Anonymouse – TheGazer November 13, 2016 at 11:06 AM #
    Clinton won a strong majority of those strong majority of those with incomes below $30k. I have not been able to tease out the proportion of poor White voters out of the available data, but Trump’s strongest support was among middle ($50k – $100k incomes) and especially upper (>$100k incomes) class White voters.


  14. If disengaged voters did not vote and affected the outcome how can we label the result racist? These people voted for Obama in 2008 etc?

  15. Anonymouse - TheGazer Avatar
    Anonymouse – TheGazer

    Fully (almost) agreeing with PLT, but yet I must add

    Given the fact that whites form a dominant majority of the populace aren’t all elections determined mainly by whites. The minorities provide the critical mass to get a politician over the hump. If white voted as a monolithic block, folks like me could stay at home.

    I think boiling it down to just racism is too great a simplification of the many ills of America.


  16. Live on Brasstacks now……Barbados has been described as being in crisis by retired accountant Peter Boos and he gives the reasons why……interesting,even if he has an agenda.

    Barbados may need to ask the UK to take them back as they have made a right pigs ear of their 50 years of independence…….very simple as we still have the queen as head of state.


  17. David

    You are right

    And these are people in the Rust Belt who voted for democrats for the 28 years

    Race alone cannot explain this phenomenon.

  18. Anonymouse - TheGazer Avatar
    Anonymouse – TheGazer

    @Pachamama
    “We’ll bet you David that even after the people spoke Obama, in this lame-duck session, will try to pass TPP”.

    It is my sincere hope and prayer that you are not a bettor and that those who are closest to you can provide economic support for you, after you lose the farm.


  19. @Vincent

    Why do you have to hear Peter Boos say we have a problem? Have we not been preaching it on BU for months? 🙂

    Just last we we heard Eric Lewis of MADD saying the same thing and those who can read between the lines know the significance.

  20. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David November 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM #
    We label the result racist by comparing hypothetical voting motivations with the available data.
    Hypothesis 1: Trump voters were primarily motivated by poverty and unemployment caused by globalization. Fact: a majority of voters that earn less than $50k, and a strong majority of those with incomes below $30k, chose Clinton. Mr. Trump got his strongest support from solidly middle-class white people with incomes from $50k to $100k, and also won more support in higher-income groups. Hypothesis very weak.
    Hypothesis 2: Trump voters were primarily motivated by misogyny. Fact: 53% of White women voters supported Trump. Hypothesis questionable.
    Hypothesis 3: Trump voters were primarily motivated by racism. Fact: Trumps percentages of support among different age demographics of White voters is very strongly correlated with the percentage of White people in those age groups expressing racist attitudes (racist attitudes becoming stronger with increasing age). Very strong positive correlation between propensity to idolize a more racist era in American history and Trump voters. Hypothesis strongly supported.


  21. Sorry Peter, your analysis is too simplistic. Agree with Gazer the race is won at the margin. Ask yourself what was the tipping point.

  22. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Pachamama said “these are people in the Rust Belt who voted for democrats for the 28 years. Race alone cannot explain this phenomenon.”

    The people in the rust belt that supported the Democrats for years stayed home; both anecdotal and statistical evidence shows this. 46.9% of the electorate stayed home. Trump recruited millions of voters who had sat out at least the past two elections, perhaps more. That is why, in part, the pollsters got it so wrong: based on past behaviour these people were not considered “likely voters.”


  23. Pet er Boos, like all other Barbadians, has a right to raise the alarm about the crisis we are in.

  24. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    I also agree with Gazer the race is won at the margin. So I ask myself what was the tipping point. The only tipping point that I can hypothesize which is consistent with the data is that racism was the tipping point. It is not the only factor, just the single most influential one.
    What do you hypothesize to be the tipping point ie. the single MOST influential factor in the Trump victory?


  25. David November 13, 2016 at 12:02 PM #

    Chuckle…….Just highlighting the latest voice to say that we are up the creek without a paddle.

    I have never heard such a vocal majority before openly lambasting a govt. in all my over 50 years on this island.

  26. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @Anonymouse – TheGazer said “Given the fact that whites form a dominant majority of the populace aren’t all elections determined mainly by whites.”

    This is true arithmetically, but there has been a trend since 1964 for White American voters to accept the existence and rights of Black and brown citizens. The 2016 election season reverses this trend.


  27. Have no doubt voters responded to a bigoted and race tinged message from Trump, this behaviour will always be present in racist America – the tipping point has to be those who stayed away from the polls because of two offal smelling candidates.


  28. HER ROYAL MAJESTY – THE QUEEN1

    In 1953 we celebrated your coronation
    Then you presided over the Commonwealth
    Including almost every colonial nation
    Caring for their welfare and for their health

    We embraced your Jubilee celebration
    As you still presided over the Commonwealth
    Including almost every colonial nation
    Still caring for their welfare and their health

    At that time to some it made sense
    To some to have their freedom readily
    You gave them their independence
    Many abused that privilege eventually

    Forty years later you’re still serene
    Many clamour for the demise of the Monarchy
    As the world got cruel and mean
    You maintained your cool and kept your dignity

    You hold your head and still walked tall
    To your family you’re still their matriarch
    But you’re still loved by one and all
    And to us, still the one and only Monarch

    My dear Queen, you being mother and wife
    Always showed pride and affection
    Yet sincerely maintaining a vigorous life
    As you jet from nation to nation

    You continuously showed a commitment to caring
    And there would be far less violence and rage
    There would be far less misery and less hurting
    If from your book many leaders can take a page.

    1 I wrote this poem in 1992 and the Queen replied on 8th Sept, 1993. She said she was ”very touched by the loyal sentiments I expressed in verse” when I returned from England this story was featured in their Pickering Newspaper entitled “ POETRY FIT FOR A QUEEN’ The pics of her letter and clipping from the News Advertiser still hangs on my wall.


  29. PLT

    Trump had an appealing jobs program based on lower taxes, less regulation, renegotiation of trade agreements to bring manufacturing jobs home, infrastructure investments, more fracking etc. His immigration policy proposals would make more construction jobs available to poor whites.

    Why won’t you accept that the large majorities of low-income white men and white women who voted for Trump were responding to these ideas?


  30. Among poorer white men and women without college degrees, support for Trump was higher than among wealthy, college-educated white men and women.

  31. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @chad99999
    But the glitch with your argument is that “large majorities of low-income white men and white women” did NOT vote for Trump. Clinton won a majority of the vote from those earning less that $50k, and a very large majority of voters earning less than $30k.
    I wish personally that Trump’s victory could be explained along your sympathetic lines, but the reality is much more bleak.
    Trump won the majority of middle class voters who earn between $50k and $100K, and a very large majority of voters with incomes over $100k.

  32. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @chad99999
    You are using education as a proxy for class while I am using income. There are merits and drawbacks to each approach. All of the uneducated are not poor and all of the poor are not uneducated.
    But you had stated that “large majorities of low-income white men and white women who voted for Trump” and that is an error.

  33. Anonymouse - TheGazer Avatar
    Anonymouse – TheGazer

    BTW: I think PLT has the expertise and gravitas to make a greater contribution🙂. Would love to comment on the PLT column.


  34. Does the headline hearken back to the “Divine right of Kings”? Personally, I would have titled it “A return to the imperial Presidency”. This is a man who has spent his whole life answering to himself and election as President will not change that narrative. A President who openly states that he could walk down the street and shoot someone and get away with it has supreme confidence in the adoration of his supporters and thinks he is immune from any negative consequences. A President who never forgets a slight, a President who although victorious is still complaining about what he considers to be negative reporting from the Press, A President who based on past actions will keep an “enemies list”. A President whose egomania will override any advice that doesn’t reflect his own thinking.

    Just as Obama established a new series of “firsts”, first Black president etc. we are entering a new era of “firsts”; a President that has never served in the legislature, military etc., a modern President who openly eschewed the Establishment wing of his Party and who preached a siren song to the racist element of the population, a President that openly mocked the disabled, minorities, women and the Press and wasn’t punished for any transgression. We will see a President who is emboldened by his success and who will no doubt double down on the elements that brought him to power, a President who embraces change, not forward but backwards to past generations.

    The nature of a winner take all Democracy provides some winners with an arrogance that comes with victory, they never think that they won but 50% of the people didn’t support them (in this case) and wanted someone else and they tend to overreach, GW Bush after his second election proudly announced “I have capital and I am going to use it’, we know how that turned out. The US has never elected a President with such a deficit of knowledge in all capacities, domestic affairs, foreign affairs, environment, health, military, economy – you name it, the next few days will tell much about what direction the country will be heading.

  35. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    I acknowledge that the 6 million or more voters who stayed away from the polls “because of two offal smelling candidates” is an important factor.
    However, the more important factor surely is to figure out why almost 10 times that number chose Trump. No doubt some believed, or at least hoped, that Trump could deliver on his promises to renegotiate of trade agreements to bring manufacturing jobs home, but the statistics show that it was not the poor and unemployed (the ones who stood to benefit from these policies) who were pivotal in electing Trump, a majority of them voted Clinton. So what were their motivations?


  36. Sargeant

    “The US has never elected a President with such a deficit of knowledge in all capacities, domestic affairs, foreign affairs, environment, health, military, economy – you name it, the next few days will tell much about what direction the country will be heading.”

    This is Trump the millionaire your referred?


  37. @David
    Sorry should have been a little bit more precise

    Yes It’s the Donald


  38. Ok Sarge, just checking!

  39. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    @David
    Trump the billionaire (about $3.9 billion, not the $10 billion he has claimed) got that way by inheriting hundreds of millions from his father, exploiting government programs and bankruptcy procedures to offload the risk in his real estate empire, and his reality TV series and ghostwritten books which have been his only real successes, i.e. the only ones that didn’t rely entirely on cheating other people.

  40. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/donald-trump-paris-climate-deal-john-kerry-sign-up-cancel-a7414521.html

    This is what they are trying to speed up.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-deport-immigrants-immediately-when-mexico-wall-a7415116.html

    One things for sure, all the sharks and wild animals worldwide will be circling at the stench of any weaknesses. .

  41. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Sargeant November 13, 2016 at 12:55 PM re “…The US has never elected a President with such a deficit of knowledge in all capacities, domestic affairs, foreign affairs, environment, health, military, economy …”

    Are you really buying into media nonsense as well. Donald Trump makes simplistic and often sophomoric statements akin more to a school boy than an experienced businessman but to really believe that a man who dealt with the intricacies of businesses partnership all around the world and across the US really has a gaping ‘deficit of knowledge’ is unreal.

    At the same time that Trump was excoriating Clinton as being disingenuous on women’s right because she took donations from Arab leaders who suppressed females as he boldly noted, simultaneously he was the same man who had entered into partnerships in Dubai and had a supposedly acceptable relationship with the Turkey and Egypt leaders. Not to mention a business operation in Turkey as well.

    He knows exactly what nonsense he says and what is going on around him!!!

    Let’s get real on the man as a simpleton. He is a flame thrower, acts often as a spoiled child and even has major gaffes (like the Russia will not invade Crimea remark) but he is far from having a truly problematic deficit of knowledge (was Reagan or Carter any better) on world and social affairs and the impact therein.


  42. We can analyze all we want for the pundits across the world the interest will be how will President Trump rule as contemplated by Jeff’s last paragraph.

  43. NorthernObserver Avatar

    Again I am amused.
    There seems to be a dominant belief, because one doesn’t live in an urban enclave that somehow makes one “blue collar and uneducated”. And there is more value in someone who is educated, albeit from institutions whose standards are questionable to begin with, who sits in front of a computer in an office and lives in a 600sq.ft condo, whose commercial value maybe higher than 300 acres elsewhere.
    Not surprising. For we are controlled by a media which is almost totally urban, most of whom have never spent any amount of time beyond those urban limits. They travel to another urban centre, for it offers the facilities which attract urbanites. Their impression of the non-urban is “OMG they don’t even have a Starbucks”, “I couldn’t get wi-fi anywhere”, “my phone couldn’t get signal”.
    These rural dwellers are a bunch of white, bible thumping crazies, who detest anything which is different from them. Again these stereo types, while they do exist, are actually few and far between, Many do things for a living that most urbanites cannot comprehend.
    Hence is it any surprise they vote in a manner the urban dweller, cannot understand? And the same urbanites seek their urban and educated reasons to explain.
    But you are correct, they do not trust the establishment. And the true idiots maybe us, who live within these urban boundaries, who cannot see the corruption and greed, or maybe more accurately, have no idea how to rid ourselves of it, so we just “join the fray”.


  44. ”’The people in the rust belt that supported the Democrats for years stayed home; both anecdotal and statistical evidence shows this. 46.9% of the electorate stayed home. Trump recruited millions of voters who had sat out at least the past two elections, perhaps more. That is why, in part, the pollsters got it so wrong: based on past behaviour these people were not considered “likely voters.””

    @ PLT

    every election about 50% of the electorate vote with their feet.

    it is a stretch to accept that Trump could have ‘recruited’ millions of voters who didn’t vote in previous elections when we now know that nearly all polls were misleading.

    politicos know well that people with a habit of voting are times more likely to vote

    that is difficult to accept though some commentators are making this specious argument.

    the preponderance of evidence over 30 years, is for us, a better guide, current economic environment not a racist discourse.

    it is certainly much easier to get people who are accustomed to voting to vote, as opposed to the Herculean task of recruiting ‘new’ voters.

    of course there are other evidences, including the type of candidate Clinton was, the campaign waged, her baggage, the propensity of the electorate for radical change, etc.


  45. Wait a minute here! The analysis here seems to assume that Blacks and Hispanics, part of the over 40% who did not vote, are traitors. But what do you do when the person and her husband who are fully responsible for Blacks and Hispanics spending 20 years in prison after the three strike rule. Stay where you live. What do you do when you are voting for the Democrats for 40 years and still live bundled up in large cities in poverty. Stay where you live! What do you do when you are being used politically time and time again. Stay where you live. Remember what Trump said: what the hell do they have to lose with a vote for me!!!

    When will this analysis change to why people stay home. Listen for those of you not familiar with voting patterns in the USA, turnouts are never big. In the state and other elections sometimes the turnout is as little as 30%!!!


  46. David

    We have already seen Trump normalizing his approaches.

    Institutions of government are, unlike a corporation, and even corporations have deeply embedded cultures not susceptible to sudden change. Therefore, no number of Trumps would be able to do whatever they like without serious limitations.

    People like Raegan and other have failed before.


  47. PLT

    There is no glitch in my argument.

    You are utterly misguided. You cannot make a silly argument like “middle class whites voted for Trump, so middle class white people are racist”

    Middle class white people always vote Republican. But lower class white people were MORE enthusiastic about Trump than wealthier better educated whites, and more enthusiastic about voting for Trump than for previous Republican presidential candidates.

    Get it? The swing to Trump is among lower class whites. Don’t get into silly arguments about income vs education as a marker of class

  48. peterlawrencethompson Avatar
    peterlawrencethompson

    “Yep, race really did Trump economics: A data dive on his supporters reveals deep racial animosity”
    http://www.salon.com/2016/11/13/yep-race-really-did-trump-economics-a-data-dive-on-his-supporters-reveals-deep-racial-animosity/

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