Submitted by Pachamama
Recently we had occasion to review the series “House of Cards” and with the much heralded first Q&A sessions between Clinton and Trump being primed for profit, we now consider how art mimics reality, or is more realistic than reality. The differences, if any, between fiction and fact in politics. The centrality of war and peace in this election, if any of this could be serious, for a minute.
As we write both Clinton and Trump are going through their rehearsals in order to present what has been determined should be their best image/s. It’s all about perception management, not fact necessarily. Not truth either, if lies have more purchase. They are politicians playing ‘actors’ attempting to win an Oscar or two.
In the ‘House of Cards’ the president of the USA was portrayed in a more realistic manner than the current one or the wannabes are on the networks. President Underwood was seen as a serial murderer; a manipulator; the son of a man with ties to the KKK; a man surrounded by henchmen, bag men, wet workers, dry workers, willing to break any law in the protection of Underwood and in the finale – willing to go to war to avoid negative news reports about his own sins.
The activities this weekend at the UN suggest that an imminent Clinton presidency would mean a declaration of war on Russia. Clinton is obviously head of the war party in wait. Russia has had to asked ‘who was in charge in the USA’. Obama is clearly not, as the Pentagon has openly disobeyed his orders and bombed Syrian soldiers to show defiance to him. He is now the little boy sitting at the kiddie’s table.
And the CIA continues to arm terrorist groups in Syria in contravention of direct orders from Obama. It is clear Clinton, Samantha Powers and ilk are intent on a humanitarian nuclear war to further the interests of the one-percenters. Russia phobia has gone mad in the USA. And Trump may be our worst best hope, imagine that. For Hilary Clinton is a very, very, wicked bitch.
These are not the images we will see in the reality show which will dominate network coverage over the coming weeks. Any realities would require more than a soundbite, be too complicated for a dumb-down public, be absent of the zingers which Ronald Reagan made popular, fail to deliver the killer blow which both candidates will strive for but a draw could be satisfactory for both candidates and is the most likely outcome.
What we will certainly not see are the political infrastructures before, during and after these Q&A sessions to influence perceived outcomes. It is imminently possible to, by objectives measures, win the debates but loose the perception game. And this has happened before. So the showmanship around these sessions are more important than what actually happens during the Q&As themselves. Is this not then mere political theater?
The same will be true for the actual presidential elections. It is very possible to win the elections and loose the presidency. These days, the best way of achieve the ‘dark arts’ of the political game is to make the false claim of voter fraud by non-White population segmentations unlikely to support you while plotting with the internet experts to rob the electronic vote train as it conveys tallies to the central counting center.
This was the type of voter robbery Romney and Carl Rove attempted in 2012 to deny Obama a second term. Had it not been for the hacker group ‘Anonymous’ we would have had a flipping of tallies as happened in Florida 2000. In the fictional account, President Underwood had developed a more profound method for the total influencing of public perceptions by manipulation the news voters read – from jump street, making sure that only information supportive of him occupied the first items on most search engines, influencing other mainstream media houses, like only a sitting president could.
We know that the Clintons have not been dissimilar to President Underwood. Indeed, all US presidents have employed violence to achieve stated aims, at home and abroad. Clinton is particularly troubling and represent an existential threat to all mankind with her intent to escalate aggression against Russia, her willingness to deploy nuclear weapons, her blind support for the Zionist regime in Palestine, as ultimate war hawk. Now that the Clintons family has married into Jewry we should expect Benjamin Netanyahu in the White House, on steroid, should she win.
As far as violence is concerned, Trump represents a somewhat unknown quantity. Clinton loyalists have been trying to influence perceptions by arguing that he is a friend of the Russians. A country Clinton sees as her primary enemy, a la Ukraine. In this their acolytes in the media have been helpful in painting Putin as a dictator. But Clinton herself, is not unknown for her love affairs with the worst of dictators. They say Trump cuddles Putin. We are unsure what his orientation is likely to be about war and peace but expect that Trump may very well end up in the children’s room, left out of the loop, when the adults, the war party, discuss these matters.
However, given his history, his mental disposition, a 14-year-old boy trapped in a man’s body, his innate dislike for people of colour. We would also contend that no remarkably dissimilar policy positions from those of Clinton or President Underwood should be expected. We will also argue that Trump’s inability to show empathy and his spoilt-child orientation makes him particular dangerous in possession of nuclear weapons should he get a look-in.
A president Clinton will provide more material for writers on the ‘’House of Cards’’. Her administration will be characterized by so many investigations that it will make the Bill Clinton presidency look like a cake walk. Those investigations will be centered on the Clinton Foundation et al which has devolved into a hundreds of billions of dollars in money laundering, a trans-national, criminal enterprise, operating under the cloak of a 5O1C3 and not properly registered in various jurisdictions nor properly reporting.
A Trump presidency is no less likely to be characterized by criminal investigations. He too has issues with the usage of Trump Foundation money, tax code violations etc. The viability of these proceeding may very well depend upon the relative numbers of Republicans and Democrats ‘selected’ in the Senate and the House of Representatives. But a Democratic presidency and a Republican congress will be more eager to go for the impeachment of Clinton, from day one.
It certainly is not helpful to the people of the world that Clinton has already suggested her husband to be the employment czar. In the ‘House of Cards’, President Underwood moved heaven and earth to have his wife, the first lady, in an open marriage, to be the vice-presidential candidate. How life mimics art!
This political theater is manufactured to be unfair. For Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson will not be there, neither would the other up to 100 candidates who are on some ballots. The corporation, run by Republicans and Democrats who own this project is less interested in fairness than the League of Women Voters who ran the debates up to the 1980s.
President Underwood would have been glad to locate this set of moderators willing to keep fictions alive. Moderators refusing to do any fact checking. Moderators who have said that even obvious misstatements made will not be highlighted. Moderators prepared to have candidates disobey rules of truth without sanction.
The elections in the USA should be about the survival of the planet, the avoidance of war, the extent to which the one-percenters are seeking to gain more control over us all. What is certain is that a Clinton victory will insure all the above. It is difficult for us to contemplate circumstances where a Trump presidency could avoid these sets of outcomes given the diffusion of the war party forces and the acceptance of the PNAC agenda by all mainstream political forces.
Maybe the election will be a watershed. A time when the ‘House of Cards’ collapses. But we seriously doubt. However, these dog and pony shows should not properly qualify as debates. They are more Q & A sessions, billed like fights between Ali & Fraser, with the winner known ahead of time, depending on who spends the most money in advertising on the networks sponsoring same.
597 responses to “Clinton Versus Trump – Fiction Versus Fact”
Lol…..
@ Charles Skeete
If you really feel there is any more ‘freedom’ in some countries than others we have a problem.
This writer has traveled to or lived in more than 40 countries, including Russia, China, Iran and are not so persuaded, in toto.
To us the deference is merely marketing and the well manufactured perceptions of yours.
“RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia on Monday announced sudden, drastic cuts to salaries and perks for government employees as part of the kingdom’s struggle to slash spending at a time of low oil prices.
The cuts, unveiled in a series of royal decrees and cabinet statements read aloud on state television, reduced ministers’ salaries by 20 percent, slashed perquisites for members of the consultative assembly and limited overtime pay and vacation for civil servants.”
These are a people…repugnant though their ideologies may be…who know their past and embrace it….are in control of their futures. …and do not need anyone outside of their circle…to tell them what to do, when to do it….or to bribe them to betray their own people.
Compared with the slaves in parliament, these Arab dudes are heros to their own people.
The slaves in parliament are zeros …..to their own people.
A takeaway from the US presidential debate is for us to do the same.
Some very interesting views from different perspectives. I tend to agree with the post debate poll. The choice of the lesser ? evil? is still Clinton.
“A takeaway from the US presidential debate is for us to do the same.”
It’s left to the blogs to lead the charge.
The traditional media is effectively muzzled.
There are no NYTIMES, NYDAILY NEWS….or any freedom of the press in Barbados.
http://ow.ly/9ZXp304BLqi
This strategy has worked for centuries…as we can see, it’s coming to an end.
Blacks in Barbados adopted it and routinely use it on each other…copying from the little shithound minorities on the island who learned decades ago to use it as a tool and weapon againt the majority black population on the island…to get their own way, to steal land, to steal wealth, to bribe the slaves and pimps in parliament. They also pretend blacks on the island dont exist or are invisible.
“I feel a kinship to Obama in this sense. The CEO of Trump’s campaign, Steve Bannon, is also the head of Breitbart News. For months on end, they dogged me and drummed lies saying that I am secretly a white man pretending to be black. Like Obama, I was eventually forced to address their ugliness and tell my family history before the world to dispel the ridiculous lie. It was so stupid that I thought it would eventually just go away, but it became the #1 trending topic in the world and was the headline in papers and on nightly news shows everywhere.
A key strategy of bigots and white supremacists has always been to reduce people of color to being less than human, less than full citizens. If they can demean the very identity of people, and make it seem like they are worth a little rest than everyone else, it then justifies, in their mind, the derision they are sure to send their way.”
@ the Honourable Blogmaster
There is something I wil paste here from one of the links Well Well & Consequences provided to proceed my response to your suggestion of that debate happening here and why, even if it were to happen here, it would not make a difference.
A do remember that this opinion is coming from the Stoopid Cartoon poster boy and Neanderthal
“Winner: Hillary Clinton was the winner in a one-sided debate. She appeared strong, focused, her responses had depth and clarity. She looked smart, composed and presidential. She flashed a winning personality by being consistent, appealing to everyone and presenting as comfortable in her own skin. Trump had overly simplistic answers. He stayed on the defensive with the birther issue, bankruptcy and his tax returns. There was a lack of focus, no vision, limited knowledge and for first time, appeared agitated and uncomfortable: not presidential timber. There was essentially no appeal beyond his base. If graded: Hillary Clinton would get an “A minus” and Donald Trump, a “C.”
I could have stopped at “one sided debate but, given the congruence of the opinion, and my obvious bias for Killery, I used the whole paragraph
Finding a moderator with the cojones to manage say a Mugabe Mottley (the name and sentiment that the DLP is composing their anti DLP campaign on) and Fumbles the Sleeping Giant with the bigly nose, would be the first problem.
Then there would be the issue of the parties choosing and impartial yet reasoned moderator
Then most importantly, there would be the matter of active viewership for, with an electorate of 150k, only 30k people would watch AND AFTER WATCHING, less than 1/4 of them would be able to understand the nuances of the debate and of them 1/5 might take action.
The Bajan psyche has a short attention span, ergo the posters, but the greater issue is going to be “VOTER APATHY ” getting these people who are complaining and suffering, to move from their beds to the polls.
De ole man got a way to do dat but back to the main point here, our so called literacy DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO COMPREHENSION OF A DEBATE and after said comprehension read dem hear what is being said, 60 to 70% do not have the critical thinking skills to make an informed decision
Ergo the simplicity of these emotive fliers which target that temporal Bajan knee jerk responses.
I am sorry if I, of late, seem to denigrate Bajans but frankly, post all the inventorying of what is happening here everyday for all these years, de ole man being real
Errata precede
Piece
You could bring in somebody from T&T to moderate.
You get everything else therefrom.
Woman in Red
She fcuking with my head
Side to side
Nobody said
That she’d whoop me so bad
I’m terribly sad
Unlike the leftist mainstream press, online polls say Trump won (eg CNBC)!
Online polls? I visited a website this am and there was a pop up saying “Trump won” and asked me to confirm that assertion. If this is an example of an online poll I will wait until the real polls come out.
BTW if Trump won why is Giuliani advising him to boycott the upcoming debates?
Lol….my daughter was telling me about blogs and websutes created and funded by Trump supporters…just to misinform and blatantly lie to the public and the weakminded Trump supporters.
MoneyB knows about them…lol
The real polls come out on Nov 17. The rest is fodder for media conjecture. The battle is not the hardened D or R voter, but the potential sway votes. And that is frequently decided in the last 2 weeks of the campaign.
Sargeant how do you unring a bell, clitary can say she disavowed what her underlings did but make no mistake her this birther issue and picture of Obama in African dress was intentional. These narcisstic people will say or do anything to be prez and if it wasn’t part of her plan she isn’t devious enough to be leader. Look at the things she said about Obama during that fight and see if she is the champion of black people.
“De ole man got a way to do dat but back to the main point here, our so called literacy DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO COMPREHENSION OF A DEBATE and after said comprehension read dem hear what is being said, 60 to 70% do not have the critical thinking skills to make an informed decision.”
And therein lies the problems from beginning to end.
The normal human attention span is 8 seconds….before the mind wanders off to where ever, those are the people who have the above skills as outlined by Piece, people who dont would range 2 to 3 seconds…if so long…..a major problem.
What I noticed is that BU draws a reasonable crowd of focused individuals who can debate, argue and cuss for a whole day…that takes focus, but the people who cant are not drawn to BU in the same way, they may pass through but wont hang out…
Many people are drawn to Naked Departure, because it does not take as much effort…..so those people can be targeted for certain information….in a certain way.
Minimizing the problems of the target audience for what information needs to be out there for the elections.
Just helping…..Piece.
@ Sargeant
Because, unlike the easily impressed rabble, Gulliani is a thinker and saw the impact that (a) a “one sided” set of questions and a sensible moderator has on a public and (b) saw that the shallowness and me-ism of the Donald has had and will have on the impressing of the sways.
Any man who tweets the silliness that The Donald Tweets SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE NUCLEAR CODES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Lawson….Killary would sit in congressional hearings, FBI hearings, grand jury hearings and tell lies for a whole week….without drawing one single breath….why would I even want to listen to her say anything.., got better things to do, much prefer laugh at it all…after the fact.
Trump lies stupidly. ..Killary lies smoothly, connivingly and convincingly….a very dangerous
snake.
Both useless
Guiliani is another very dangerous and hateful racist fraud…on par with Cheney.
Some of you think clitary has bigger balls than trump, and it was her semen on monicas dress that wont stick.
@ NorthernObserver
Precisely, it does not really matter what all the pundits say.
November when the votes get tallied up, we will see and know.
All the rest is impassioned conjecture (nonetheless Hilary is going to win purely by the vote of women, watch de ole man prediction heheheheh. You see that patriarchy dat Chad 45 always pulling down, watch it wash over we ingrunt masochistic attitudes)
@Piece
Nuclear codes? What about a new campaign for Bim´s property market:
“Dear rich New Yorker, what about a villa with shelter drilled into coral stone in Barbados? We guarantee there will be not nuclear strike closer than 2000 miles. Barbados is safer than the Himalaya during Trump´s presidency.”
great thinking sargassum is not a nuisance.. its camoflage
@ Well Well & consequences
Your point about that 8 seconds and 3 seconds comparison between BU and Naked Departure is key.
Tweets with their byte count limit are replacing TV ads for PRECISELY THE SAME REASON
Attention span!!!
The issue is not what I am sayin but where I say it and how often it gets retweeted
It your mortar is to soft when you slap in on a wall, after a while, the water in it evaporates and it, like jobby, will stick.
Trumps destruction come in propagating his treatment of blacks and Hispanics at his properties over his long business career and his denigration of neurotic women, those are his words.
That he is a racist and a woman hater who is over leveraged and out of touch with geopolitical issues COUPLED WITH A PETULANCY THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE ROLE OF THE PRESIDENT should be the payload of the contra Trump campaign for the next two months sorry month and a half.
He cannot show his financial details at this time because they expose his dealings with all and sundry and they would destroy him
Piece
Everything you have said is correct.
But be careful that that does not help to pave the way for the wicked witch.
@ Tron
Re that safe haven fallacy that you have re nuclear fallout and Barbados that is not so.
The effect of multiple nuclear explosions on land masses which are on this earth and tectonic plates and small islands in the middle of the Atlantic are not, to the best of the ole man’s understanding known or predictable.
Ammmmmmm a volcano went off de udder day and even doah Barbados ent got no volcano de ole man recall dat we had a lot of volcanic ash pun we car and ting.
“To each other so interlinked are that thou cans’t not pluck a flower, without troubling a star”
Piece…….Subliminal messaging is how the advertisers in the US get ya….they just need a few seconds to imprint their thievery on your mind….and leave it there….lol
It works…they make billions of dollars off a few seconds of an attention span.
Trump has not been paying taxes, lives off debt and is not worth anything near what he is saying in his fantasy world…he does not live in reality.
@ Pachamama
De ole man at a likkle meeting heah but I going say something to you about politics
It’s best strategies originates from Psyche Wars the most effective of which lies in an ancient Chinese practice called “Death by 1,000 Cuts”
I had already hinted here that Hilary’s people were wasting time on Bernie and that Trump was the threat.
You need to understand what death is and its delivery mechanisms be they sudden like thos that are appearing across the island and that many ascribe to the normalcy of life’s end and lingering, as associated with cancers etc.
Trump s political demise should have been thusly calculated as a multi pronged destruction designed to integrate each of those moving parts AND OTHER THINGS and ultimately show him to be a petulant child.
Nothing else, he could be a “good businessman” and that is now proving to be questionable, but the emphasis should have been to expose him as a child.
They failed to do that because they were looking and they could not see.
Let me also say something to you regarding the radicalism of Americans.
Hilary Clinton, while she was speaking last night, said the solution to (a) finding the problem (b) isolating it and (c) addressing it.
SHE SAID IT BUT SHE DID NOT REALISE THAT SHE SAID IT!!! AND OF THE 100 million viewers NARY ONE OF HER TEAM, TRUMP S TEAM, THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, HOFSRA UNIVERSITY S POLITICAL SCIENCE TEAM SAW THE SOLUTIONS!!
I was amazed that there she was, while delivering her bevy of studied coached answers, speaking to a global solution of the problem YET none of her vaunted team have been able to connect the dots!!!
And then it dawned on me Pachamama “they have eyes, but they see not and ears, but they hear not”
http://ow.ly/rQ9K304CGw3
A big fat, obese douche bag wuth hormone problems….never grew up, just says anthing that pops into his head.
Lol…hahaha. .lol
Well Well
That might not be a bad thing.
He may help destroy empire from within.
In anyway, empires always throw up these kinds of people when in death throws.
Exactly Pacha…the end is near for sure, everything is being revealed and there is nothing they can do to walk it back….
Karma is a very powerful force.
@Piece at 11:08 AM re “@ Northern…Precisely, it does not really matter what all the pundits say. November when the votes get tallied up, we will see and know.”
All true. We will forget this debate and the metrics quoted below too. Romney also won his first debate…so unless Trump has a similar disaster twice over in coming debates she can still lose.
And to contrast with those online polls:
–1. “Republican pollster Frank Luntz conducted a focus group of undecided voters in Pennsylvania. Sixteen said Hillary Clinton won. Five picked Trump, …”
–2. “In a Florida focus group organized by CNN, 18 of 20 undecided voters picked Clinton as the winner.
–3. “Not one of 29 undecided voters in an Ohio focus group organized by Park Street Strategies thought Trump prevailed, while 11 picked Clinton and the rest said neither. By a two-to-one margin, the group thought Clinton had the better tone and, by a three-to-one margin, they thought she came across as more knowledgeable candidate on the issues.”
In short, Trump truly flamed out rather brightly for most to see but it was no nuclear flame of utter devastation so he will be back.
Let us wait to see what the poll post-debate register in the battleground states.
#interestingtimesintheusa
errata radicalization whuloss… de ole man typing real ingrunce…as per usual heheheheheheh
@ David
Poll will not be different than other times.
In the end the winner will win by 5 to 7 points.
These notions that it will be close is just theatre.
This is all going to boil down to what happens in the weeks to come. Some more civil unrest and shoot=ups and riots, a muslim attack and trump will breeze in. On the other hand if everything stays flat and no more emails surface clitary may be able to pull it out .
If Clinton is a witch. Then Trump is the devil never knew a person that carries so much baggage of hate against every race or culture. The man is an egostitical bombastic moron so much show that his overblown ego got the best of his arrogance as americans watch and listened while he shot himself in the mouth saying that he was smart in the avoidance of paying his taxes.The truth is that most americans knew that much information but none in their wildest dreams would have expected such a confirmation coming out of the mouth of Donald “the crook” Trump
Today the IRS should have advice the justice department to indict Trump the thief immediately .
Not necessarily so Lawson.
Irrespective of the suggested “orchestrated riots and staged civil unrest fiascos and the so called random shootings” what that potentially creates is 3 things.
A.The more you orchestrate the killings and mall attacks, the more people start to see that “there is no randomness to the pattern” and that the numbers of victims that are being “harvested” DO NOT CONSTITUTE “spontaneously disgruntled persons”
B.The more the incidence of these Northwood schemes the greater the risk that the source of the orchestration gets sloppy and that they get exposed to the Security Agencies that are actively “hunting them”.
Again one does note the tweet blackout that accompanied the capture of Ahmad Khan Rahami.
Does Ahmad Khan Rahami have a lawyer?
“Ahmad Khan Rahami has not yet been given access to an attorney, court records show, though he may be unable to communicate with one. He has been described as “incapacitated and intubated” in court filings.”
Does this sound interesting to you?
Where has the crime been committed? Who is the governor there? Guillani?
Do we expect Ahmad Khan Rahami to get to a court? and more importantly, will such happen before the Presidential Elections? Heheheheheheh Please remember dat de ole man ent too bright.
C.Everyone is regrouping but AND HERE IS THE THING OF INTEREST. HILARY’s infelicities have been exposed over the last year, which of TRUMP’s have been?
Name them.
There have been a notable absence of exposees on the Donald even though, given his purported business activities, and associates, there potentially might be!!
So, if that hypothetical has some basis in truth, (how de france dat term get in there??) how is it possible that there is a clampdown of this type, and breath, and depth?
It would hypothetically have to be in the nature of the enticement that such secrecy has been afforded.
Such hypothetical enticement would (expressing the conditional mood) be based on the promise of compensation, significant “compensation”
Again if the previous elements hold to be true, for there to be a leakage of some major Trump indiscretion now, either (a) the “counter compensation” has to significantly exceed the initial enticement or (b) there must be such a construct that makes the parties underwriting of those who have been “underwritten” afraid that they will loose their “enticement”
And that should be quite easy to do, given the fickleness of “the kind of man who can be provoked by a tweet and should not have his fingers anywhere near America’s nuclear codes”, but then again if one has an insurance policy coupled with the compensation, read life insurance policy, then some exposees might not be forthcoming.
Readers should all note that this Blog is titled Clinton vs Trump Fiction vs. Fact and de ole man is entitled to add some fiction to the article to excite the intellectual prowess of wunna bloggers.
Barring the information about Ahmad Khan Rahami, and the fact that he is yet to see his counsel and that said Ahmad Khan Rahami whom we see in a guerney hiding from a smartphone now happens to be in an unconscious state ALL THE REST OF THIS submission is confabulation heheheheheheh
http://ow.ly/7olj304D0nH
Lol
Clinton won the debate, but she had a lot of help from Lester Holt, who focused on the birther issue and Trump’s missing tax returns, while ignoring the rampant corruption of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s email server problem.
so what about Trump living off the cream of the Trump charities
@ ProvocaChad, re “Clinton won the debate, but she had a lot of help from Lester Holt”.—– That is the type of political spin that would make AC very proud.
What you are actually saying is that Donald Trump was so out of his league that he was unable to prosecute Clinton rigorously on any of the key issues like her email server or even mention her Foundation, and he needed an assist from the moderator despite the fact that each candidate was able to freely interrogate the other after the opening four minutes of soliloquies in each segment.
Your man showed well at the start but was outclassed over the full ’90 furlong’ race.
Holt did not ask Trump about his disparaging remarks about women either yet Clinton was able to comprehensively attack him on that subject.
It’s called preparation, temperament and nous. Holt couldn’t assist Trump with those either.
Dribbler
The presidency of the United States is not a prize awarded to the best TV debater.
Hillary Clinton is confident, presumptuous, and well-connected. But she is a hopelessly corrupt dunce. Her lack of accomplishment is disqualifying. And her unimaginative approach to policymaking is damaging to the interests of the United States, and especially to most of the black men who live there.
there is no Justice department that have accused or indicted hilary of wrong doings if so information of criminal activity by the clintons would not have gone unnoticed by americas justice dept, Most or all of the allegations were all trumped up against her by the lowlife republican party and their yardfowl followers many who have wrote books and became rich of slimming the clintons , but lo and behold their God Donald trump openly admitted to tax evasion on national and world wide media , Now what are the republicans going to do about that daming evidence right in there presence they have an admitted thief running for President DT and supported by the conservative arm of the Republican party time for the republican party to do a self examination before throwing more stones at hilary house
All news oulets said trump was unprepared and out performed by clinton, Trump belived that his smart mouth and flip lopping would be enough to get him a passing grade , he was a colossal failure and blaming lester holt for his dismal performance is stupidy
@chad99999
Lester Holt mentioned the birther issue and Trump’s missing tax returns, but not the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and Hillary’s email server problem. He didn’t mention Trumps fraudulent “university,” his corrupt foundation, his serial bankruptcies, his multiple business catastrophes, his stealing from small business contractors, his breaking imigration laws…etc. There was only so much time.
@ de pedantic Dribbler
I agree with your comment re: Trump “showed well at the start but was outclassed over the full ’90 furlong’ race.”
Clinton was able to recover from a tough “first round” and was able to set up Trump and lead him to “fall on his own sword.”
In MY opinion, Trump became over enthusiastic to the point where he began to ramble and gave irrelevant responses/information to some of the issues that were raised.
Trump also made a feeble and childish response to Clinton raising the issue of him saying Obama was not born in the US, when he said he was able to force Obama to produce his birth certificate.
If the CIA, FBI, Secret Service and especially ICE can provide personal information on a suspected terrorist (or criminal), such as where he was born, went to school or what he had for breakfast on his 12th birthday, surely these law enforcement agencies would have made the information available to the public, if Obama was not born in the US or ineligible to be a candidate for the Presidency.
However, the debate caused me to imagine a “prime ministerial debate” between Denis Kellman and Maria Agard.
@ ProvocaChad, I don’t know Hillary Clinton beyond her public persona but is incongruous for you to call the woman a hopeless dunce (corrupt you can but that really irrelevant as so is Trump and all the political class, loll).
I am unsure if that is your misogynist hat you are wearing or your Republican-spin one. I believe D Thompson was a valedictorian of his school (well Head Boy anyhow) and went on to be a lawyer and all that. David Simmons in his day did the same at Lodge. And of course people like Henry Forde and Erskine Sandiford were ‘valedictorians’ (scholars really) at their school. So too Dame Nita Barrow. They all went on to excel at Uni.
The point Mr Provocateur is that none of them can be called dunces simply because one does not like their politics or policy-making.
Mrs. Clinton was also a valedictorian at her high school as memory serves and was certainly the valedictorian for her Uni graduating class. So in that context how is she such a dunce and our boys and girls are smart and accomplished.
But I do agree with you that “The presidency of the United States is not a prize awarded to the best TV debater”. It is about substance. Trump is a billionaire business man who uses the laws of the country substantively to 1) avoid payment any Federal Taxes, 2) use the full extent of the Chapter 7 -13 laws to stiff others, 3) often refuse to pay vendors or customers at the first sign of dispute and dares them to take him to court.
This is the type of substance you desire he takes to the leadership of the US!
Ronald Reagan was an actor, a union leader and Governor prior to being in the White House. An awesome resume of accomplishments for one of the most renowned US presidents, yes!!!!
This lady has been an activist lawyer, Health policy wonk, US Senator and Cabinet Secretary. No accomplishments indeed.
In this case it seems your spin reflects more poorly about your analysis than the subject of your broadside!
@Dee Word
Give it up!
We have two lousy candidates, one with lipstick and the other without.