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BU shares the Jeff Cumberbatch Barbados Advocate column โ€“ Senior Lecturer in law at the University of the West Indies since 1983, a Columnist with the Barbados Advocate [โ€ฆ]
since 2000 and BU commenter โ€“ see full bio.

Musings: A nation under law [I]
9/6/2015
By Jeff Cumberbatch
Two items of news this week, entirely unconnected and in different jurisdictions,

implicated the complex issue of the primacy of the rule of law as opposed to that of personal belief or political expediency in an avowedly democratic society. The first, by far perhaps the more notorious, concerned the matter of Mrs Kim Davis, a county clerk in Kentucky in the US, who has refused to issue marriage licences to same-sex couples on the ground[s] that she should not be compelled to recognise same sex marriage since this does not comport with her religious beliefs. In fact, Mrs Davis, according to the New York Times, is but one of four or five state officials throughout the US who have taken this stance that natural marriage cannot be defined by Government, although she alone has become the poster child of the group.

While the right to personal religious freedom is guaranteed under the US Constitution, as it is under ours, it is difficult to understand the precise nature of Ms Davis objection. In the first place, it is accepted that this right, as are all the others, is not absolute, but rather qualified, in that it may be limited by law to the extent that it is reasonably justifiable to do so in a democratic society.

One such limitation is that these rights may be restricted by the existence of valid law that forbids the particular exercise of the religious practice. Hence, until it is adjudged to be unconstitutional, the members of the Rastafarian religion cannot successfully claim that the consumption of marijuana is a constitutionally guaranteed exercise of their freedom of conscience to manifest and propagate their religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice and observance.

And while there may be no specific written law that Mrs Davis infringes by refusing to grant the marriage licences, she is clearly failing in her duty to assist her employers, the state and county, to comply with the requirement, because of the relatively recent Supreme Court decision, to issue the licences unless there is some specified justifiable reason not to do so -of which the identical sex of the parties is not one. She thus places them in breach of their constitutional undertaking. Such a flagrant dereliction of duty would, of course, merit immediate dismissal under most employment laws.

Even more puzzling in this context is the reluctance of Mrs Davis to voluntarily resign from her job on religious grounds as commanded by the very tenets of her religion that counsel every believer in 2 Corinthians 6:17 to โ€œcome out from among them and be ye separateยกยญtouch no unclean thing and I will receive youโ€.

There are some jobs that require a religious qualification and there is provision in some jurisdictions for an exception to be made to equal opportunity stipulations in this regard. The Trinidad & Tobago Equal Opportunity Act 2000, for example, permits an employer to discriminate on the ground of religion where being of a particular religion is a necessary qualification for employment. It is not immediately clear that a similar rule may apply to a public office such as that held by Mrs Davis.

The phenomenon of Mrs Davis being jailed for contempt for her actions last week would be abhorred by most Barbadians who, against all evidence, refuse to accept that we do not live in a theocracy but in a secular constitutional polity, no matter the prevailing loosely uttered view that we are a Christian societyยกยญ whatever that phrase might mean.

The reality is accepted that there may be more instances than a few of congruence between Biblical fiat and local law. However, this coincidence must not be mistaken for any prescribed legislative agenda to reproduce Christian teachings, as those laws that confound religious prescription and dogma such as the Status of Children Act, those aspects of the Family Law Act that accord legal validity to the union other than marriage and the Medical Termination of Pregnancy Act, for examples, cogently demonstrate.

Indeed, Mrs Davisโ€™ insistence here, although she appeals to admittedly higher authority, is not substantially different from that of those who claim to be able to ignore a legal proscription because of hunger, a sense of entitlement or simply basic disagreement with its provisions. The tax-evader who sincerely believes that the state authority is expropriating too much of his or her earnings to no ostensibly useful end or the pejoratively titled mule that transports contraband for remuneration in order more effectively to provide for her children also appeals to another ideal. It is at least doubtful, however, whether the ordinary man or woman on the Silver Sands ZR would be prepared to excuse such conduct on either stated ground.

It might be churlish to descend to the level of personality, but there are credible reports that Mrs Davis was thrice divorced before her conversion to Christianity about four years ago. Naturally, according to the teachings of her faith, these multiple contraventions of solemnly given vows should be ignored since she has since been washed clean in the blood of the Lamb and I, for one, have no difficulty with this thesis. She remains entitled to embrace her views and to suffer the consequences of her actions.

There have been some risibly spurious legal arguments offered to rebut the validity of the recent judgment of the Supreme Court. One presidential hopeful last week even asserted in all seriousness that the judgment of the Supreme Court on the interpretation of the Constitution in the recent case was not binding in the absence of enabling legislation by the states. I do not care to deal with these opinions here, given their irrelevance to the local circumstance. Indeed, the entire local same-sex marriage debate is wholly immaterial except in the minds of those who, for one reason or another, seek to categorise even the thought of its local likelihood as the abomination of desolation.

This column was not about that, in youth-speak. It simply sought to reiterate that in a society such as ours, one reputedly governed by the rule of law; there is a price to be paid for its disobedience, however justifiable this might appear to be.

Next week, I propose to deal with the second item; the apparently official perception in the Ministry of Labour that the provisions of the existing Protocol, which govern the terms of the Social Partnership, may at times supersede those of enacted legislation.


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132 responses to “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – A Nation Under Law [I]”


  1. The law of the land is to be obeyed by one and all.Even though the same law taken to its logical conclusion,threatens the laws of nature.The human species is threatened by same sex unions.It makes no sense.Same sex unions are therefore doomed to failure.We’ll soon be back to either Adam or Eve,probably Eve because women always outlive men.Read the Naked Ape and the Human Zoo by Professor Desmond Morris.


  2. @ Caswell
    The problem is that most people have NO IDEA what the fuss is all about …and therein lies the danger.

    Here is the ‘problem’.

    Marriage is a symbolic representation of the relationship between BBE and his ‘church’ of ‘bush people’ here on Earth. It was instituted as a means of reminding humans of that relationship and it was given a SACRED significance.

    Now GP knows it; …Zoe knows it… and any knowledgeable bible scholar would know of this sacred symbolism….So OBVIOUSLY those dark forces of this world (against whom Bushman battle) HAFFA know the sacred nature and symbolic importance of marriage…

    BUT this is PRECISELY why these devils have targeted it for defilement….. contaminating the LIFE-GIVING symbolism of marriage with the shiite-laced nastiness of bulling.
    There is no good reason why bullers could not legally arrange whatever relationship they want to have in order to protect their nastiness… BUT THEY CHOOSE INSTEAD, TO INSIST ON EQUATING IT WITH MARRIAGE…..
    ….to dirty the LIFE-GIVING symbolic relationship between BBE and his church of Micro Mock engineers with their lotta shiite….

    Skippa ….Um can’t dun so……


  3. @BT, I could not agree with you more, these Jokers have NO idea who they are playing with… what Almighty God has deemed AN ABOMINATION, has NOW been MADE a Constitutional RIGHT by LAW!

    In order to have a RIGHT, one must first be ‘RIGHT’ not woefully and SINFULLY WRONG!!!

    “That marriage is a contract between a man and a woman was NOT ordained by any manโ€ฆ
    No brass bowl man can redefine one of the spiritual laws of BBEโ€ฆ.. NONE!!!”

    “That it now takes a woman to stand in the shoes of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego speaks volume to the lack of REAL men in this world โ€ฆ.and to our hopelessnessโ€ฆ”

    “BTWโ€ฆ. The USA will pay DEARLY for this idiocy โ€ฆand much sooner than any of wunna may be thinkingโ€ฆ.”


  4. @Bush Tea & Zoe-While I respect your belief, I am afraid that marriage has become much more than it was in earlier times. It now involves certain legal incidents that are not available in other relationships, including the right of survivorship, the right to maintenance upon separation and the right to alimony on divorce. Indeed, today many marriages are more contractual arrangements founded on the acquisition of these rights than the fairy tale romantic relationship of boy-meets-girl-fall-ilove-have-two-or-three children-live happily-ever-after. If two people want to enjoy the rights contingent on such a relationship because they care for each other, why should we worry about what they do when they close their doors? Is marriage about sex only?

    And @Gabriel -How long precisely has the human species been “threatened” by same sex activity? Earlier this year with the Supreme Court decision? Or since the days of Sodom? Or even earlier?


  5. @ac I must tell you that I resent your referring to me impersonally as “the lawyer”. My real name is there for you and all others on BU to use in any way you care to. Please do so.

    And, incidentally, would you have similarly supported the claims by people and some states to disobey US Supreme Court rulings when it held that segregation of the races in schools was unlawful and that it was unconstitutional for states to criminalize marriage between blacks and whites? What if they had claimed then as they duo now that the Supreme Court’s rulings were plainly contrary to God’s Law on which these rules were claimed to be based?


  6. Jeff Cumberbatch September 6, 2015 at 4:17 PM #

    Dear Balance,

    You could have simply said that you agreed with Ms Davis. Your prolix recourse to the dictionary to define marriage where there is a legal issue at stake smacks of โ€œhomophobicโ€ desperation, not reason!

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    Perhaps you are right about reason because all of us are not so inclined but fact is fact; and if drawing reference to the definition of marriage can be considered homophobic then I suppose I am.


  7. David September 6, 2015 at 4:22 PM #

    Prolix Jeff? lol

    There is nothing to gloat about. I have heard the same applied to Mr Cumberbatch’s columns but that is not my view.


  8. @Bush Tea and Gabriel

    Referring to the contingent rights Jeff referred, what about similar provision made to cater to common law relationships in Barbados law. Your definition of immoral and sinful has different definitions maybe?


  9. Jeff Cumberbatch September 7, 2015 at 4:08 AM #

    @ ac

    And, incidentally, would you have similarly supported the claims by people and some states to disobey US Supreme Court rulings when it held that segregation of the races in schools was unlawful and that it was unconstitutional for states to criminalize marriage between blacks and whites? What if they had claimed then as they duo now that the Supreme Courtโ€™s rulings were plainly contrary to Godโ€™s Law on which these rules were claimed to be based?

    Firstly ac does support the same sex marriage on a basic human rights.

    On the second issue of race mixing i believe the context in the bible does not target people of color but defines race in reference to nation building .therefore No i would not have supported such a claim by segregationist.


  10. Yes the law of the land is “the law of the land, However before the same sex marriage was instituted , The law had set a precedent and had many guaranteed rights written into it whereby the church was guaranteed including freedom of expression now it has become clear that the Law have failed in its efforts not to include such a right and has taken drastic action against those whose will not abide by the law on the grounds of freedom of expression.
    Yes Mrs Davis as an employee should have abide by the contract but then again the USA constitution gives her a guaranteed right on religious grounds to express her religious views without fair of reprisal.
    I believe the better alternative would have been to dismiss her on legal grounds rather than making her become a symbol of oppression by the action of serving time in jail.


  11. @ Jeff
    This is a very simple matter of whether or not there exists different levels of ‘LAW’ …and if there are; then at what point do we ENFORCE rulings at the lower level? and how binding are highly disputed and questionable rulings at a lower level.

    A magistrate in district E could wake up one morning and decide to make some igrunt decisions too… as a result of which some citizen can be locked up… BUT both you and Bushie know that when the matter is referred to a higher level, that magistrate will be made to know his place.

    You write as though the US Supreme court is the final arbitrator …. and that if THEY say marriage include same sex persons ..then marriage includes same sex persons …AMEN.
    Boss … just like the District E magistrate can parade and talk shiite in his court, on his day, so too, the US supreme court can do likewise in THEIR court, on their day…… and just as Worrell or Chandler will rain down correction in that magistrates behind shortly afterwards, so too shall the supreme judge rain down correction on the US Supreme court and on its supporters.

    So someone knowledgeable enough to KNOW that the magistrate was WRONG in the first place may well have to suffer some jail time until Chandler acts, but as they say …it is all about he who laughs last….


  12. episodes of this type would continue across the USA a correction is necessary maybe an exempt clause should be applied. States have the control to do say, Yes indeed !

    http://vp.nyt.com/video/2015/09/01/35280_1_ky-marriage-clerk_wg_360p.mp4


  13. @Bush Tea,

    Maybe in some higher court of your creative imagination, there is an appeal from the decisions of the US Supreme Court and, in our case, the CCJ. However, until the judges of that court are duly appointed and give their ruling, the terrestrial decision stands.

    Remember, the decisions of these earthly supreme courts are not right because they are infallible. They are right because there is no appeal from themโ€ฆat least in our reality.


  14. You have a lot to learn Jeff…
    …but not long to wait.

  15. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    Bushie

    Jeff and you are both right: you are speaking of things spiritual and his argument is temporal.

    >


  16. Not necessarily spiritual, Caswell. Maybe merely religious!


  17. Huffington Post

    Matthew Shiffer

    She should resign, or appoint someone to perform the function in her stead. She should not, however, be hounded or punished beyond what the courts dictate. She should not go to prison, and if she does keep her job, impose only minimal financial penalties.
    Like it or not, we have to share this country with people whom feel that gay marriage, for one reason or another, is a bad thing. The sooner we find a way to reconcile that, the better. People like her are out there, and while supporters and allies of homosexual rights are gaining steam, we can’t allow ourselves to become vindictive. We’ve all been burned by people like her, but their unique position is such that direct attacks will only strengthen their convictions. We win by being a better example, not by simply getting what we want. We must be unassailable on ethical grounds.
    I’m giving her every benefit of the doubt that she’s not simply bigoted, but rather so engrossed in her beliefs that she genuinely fears some form of divine retribution if she performs this function. I can understand that. It’s hopelessly irrational, but it’s also something we can deal with. Maybe we can relieve her of the function entirely, get someone who isn’t so burdened to sign the license on her behalf. We only hemmorhage the issue by attacking her directly.
    I only bend this far because she’s not alone. She represents a form of fundamentalist that we may have to come to terms with: The person who genuinely struggles to reconcile their faith with the ever-growing presence of homosexuals in the United States. These people aren’t going away anytime soon, but there is hope for them, and the transition to a better and more understanding world comes with giving these people the time they need to get to grips and make their peace. Maybe in the end, people like Kim Davis can blaze the trail for others who are trying to find their place in what to them must be a new and frightening world.
    LGBTs have spent generations trying to overcome hatred and abuse. The cycle will only continue if we fall to vindictive desires. We all should stand up for our rights, but respect and understanding elevates us to the pinnacle of citizenry, a position that no self-proclaimed patriot can assault.

    Unlike ยท Reply ยท 69 likes Sep 1, 2015 6:37pm

    Most unbiased and well thought out response so far that i have read could not agree more


  18. Mrs. Davis has not been imprisoned for failing to grant the licenses, but rather for disobedience of a court order. The difference is indeed subtle, but contempt is essentially disrespect of the majesty of the court.

    On another point, the discussion is not about Ms Davis personally, but about the extent to which the law may be disobeyed on the grounds of philosophical disagreement. Perhaps the employer should have removed or dismissed her, but I suspect that that would not have ended the matter. We might be having the same discussion today in a different context.


  19. @Jeff Cumberbatch,
    How does the LAW define Man and Woman? If is based on the sexual organs? Can two men; or for that matter two women, be refused a marriage license, by Mrs Davis, go outside/have a sex operation (Like Bruce Jenner/now Caitlyn) come back now as man and woman (based on a sex change) and be refused a marriage license? In most homosexual or lesbian relationships one partner assumes a different persona. Is it based on the ability to become pregnant? If so what is the position where a woman, under normal circumstances cannot become pregnant, Is it thus reasonable to talk about a woman’s ability to become pregnant, as the determining factor?

    @Caswell,
    Things spiritual are all in the head, and will thud be as different as the many various heads around.


  20. The latest on the contempt is that Davis’ lawyers have filed a challenge to the order to get her out of prison.


  21. @Jeff,

    “And @Gabriel -How long precisely has the human species been โ€œthreatenedโ€ by same sex activity? Earlier this year with the Supreme Court decision? Or since the days of Sodom? Or even earlier?”

    “Sex and Culture”

    “Perhaps the definitive work on the rise and fall of civilizations was published in 1934 by Oxford anthropologist J.D. Unwin. in “Sex and Culture,’ Unwin studied 86 human civilizations ranging from tiny South Sea island principalities to mighty Rome. He found that a society’s destiny is linked inseparably to the limits it imposes on sexual expression and that those sexual constraints correlate directly to its theological sophistication and religious commitment.”

    “Unwin noted that the most primitive societies had only rudimentary spiritual beliefs and virtually no restrictions on sexual expression, whereas societies with more sophisticated theologies placed greater restrictions on sexual expression, and achieved greater social development.”

    “In particular, cultures that adopt what Unwin dubbed “absolute monogamy” proved to be the most vigorous, economically productive, artistically creative, scientifically innovative and geographically expansive societies on earth.”

    “Unwin himself was raised in Christian England, but he did not appear to be a believer in orthodox Christianity. Nevertheless, he was honest enough to acknowledge what his research revealed – that absolute monogamy, the key to societal health, is deeply consistent with the sexual regulations laid out in the Bible, particularly in the moral code Unwin described as “Pauline.”

    “Unwin’s contemporary, British historian Arnold Toynbee, was much more explicit about the centrality of religion in history. Toynbee’s masterpiece, his 12-volume “Study of History,” charted the rise and fall of 26 civilizations. In Toynbee’s view, “The course of human history consists of a series of encounters…in which each man or woman or child…is challenged by God to make the free choice between doing God’s will and refusing to do it.” (THE END-OF-CIVILIZATION QUESTION Does embracing homosexuality really cause societies to fail? By Brian Fitzpatrick Copyright 2010 WorldNetDaily.com.Inc.)

    Jeff, history is replete, with the facts and evidence, that whenever any society deviates from God’s creative order for family, that is, one man/woman monogamous family units, it is only a matter of a few generations, that chaos and ruination is inevitable!


  22. How long does it take for cultural disintegration to set in?

    “Unwin observed that civilizations cease to grow within three generations after retreating from absolute monogamy. If they fail to return to monogamy, they will continue to slide into individualism and hedonism, and civil disorder will ensue.”

    “Likewise, in his “Social and Cultural Dynamics,” Sorokin who studied 1,623 “internal disturbances in Greco-Roman and European history,” found that sexual permissiveness almost always precedes or accompanies “an explosion of sociopolitical disturbances.”

    “Such selfish, undisciplined societies meet ugly fates. Unwin found that every society, without exception, that rejects absolute monogamy either becomes a stagnant culturally backwater or collapses altogether.”

    “Toynbee famously wrote, “civilizations die by suicide, not murder.” And Sorokin warned that America, in the 1960s was committing national suicide by sexual indulgence, predicting that as sex outside of marriage became more commonplace, Americans’ birthrate would decline even as illegitimacy increased.”

    “Unwin might agree with Toynbee that some civilizations dies from suicide, but he would also point out that many civilizations do indeed die from murder. Civilizations that have turned permanently away from absolute monogamy have often been conquered and absorbed by more vigorous civilizations, he documents. For example, after descending into rampant materialism and licentiousness, the first great Western civilization, Greece, was conquered by Rome in the second century B.C.”


  23. @Alvin,

    According to law that applies in Barbados, an individual’s sex is determined at birth and it is not possible to change it -Corbett v Corbett [1971] P. 83. I think that one of the difficulties with accepting same-sex marriage especially between two men is that of determining who should be the subordinate partner.


  24. I am up too late. I see “the lawyer” alias Jeff Cumberbatch ๐Ÿ™‚ (kidding Jeff) made my point at 4:38 a.m; the scriptures have often been quoted in support of many positions that were reversed at a later date e.g. slavery and miscegenation.

    I also want to add that many in the US who support this lady, would take a different position if this was a Muslim , who based on his/her religion was using the position to deny Christians their rights.


  25. @Jeff Cumberbatch

    I admire your contribution and responses to this post. I do believe that you stand head snd shoulders above the others commenting on this issue. However, I think you faltered with the following statement .

    “I think that one of the difficulties with accepting same-sex marriage especially between two men is that of determining who should be the subordinate partner.”

    I think that is up to the couple; and we have the same situation in hetersosexual couples.


  26. It might not matter, but in the great scheme of things I support same sex marriage.

    Here is my blurb on FB (June 27, 2015).

    “The chameleon can change his color and blend into his surroundings. Sadly, we as blacks cannot do the same. As a group we must forge and maintain alliances, so that we are not standing alone when they come for us. Preaching and railing against same sex marriages exposes our ignorance and our prejudices. God made the heterosexual and the homosexual. And it would be a wicked God who would deny the homosexual his/her happiness, and companionship. We must be careful that the God we serve is not one who we created, but rather it is the God who created us”.


  27. Will Durant, author of the 11 volume series “The Story of Civilization,” observed that homosexual behavior becomes more prevalent as societies go into decline. Unwin noted that “the historical evidence [suggest] that homosexuality is a habit that appears in a society… that has been absolutely monogamous, and is relaxing.” And Zimmerman wrote that “Homosexuality is always present in society, but in trustee and domestic family types it is strongly repressed. In late atomistic family systems it becomes much the fashion.

  28. Caswell Franklyn Avatar

    Observer

    You and Jeff are getting me a bit confused. I always thought that in the case of male same sex partners that since both have the same equipment whoever is ready first would adopt the dominant position, and when that is over, they would simply change roles. The problem would come if both are at the ready the same time.

    >


  29. Zoe remind me of my days at high school.
    He reminds me of when I took history classes with Captain Hutt.
    No matter what he writes; two sentences and I start to doze.
    The fault is not with him, but with him.
    It may be a bias on my part,
    Have a great day Zoe.


  30. You are right Caswell…
    We ARE speaking from completely different perspectives.
    LOL
    Like the fellow who asked a top bushman what was required in order to enter the kingdom of God …and was told that he must be born again…..
    The poor fellow was looking unbelievingly at his old mother…. ๐Ÿ™‚ ..but of course the answer related to a required elevation from the temporal plane …to the spiritual plane in which BBE operates.

    Jeff is many time brighter than Bushie was at his age, but if he limits himself to questions related to the temporal, he will simply become the intellectual equivalent of the materialistic fellows who “gain the whole world” … and lose their own soul (opportunity to experience life in its REAL and permanent reality)….

    It continues to be amazing to Bushie, that we can even contemplate that the lunacy that constitutes the ‘Laws’ of this world could be of anything but educational import in the overall scheme of things …. (somewhat like the ‘Youth Parliament’ is allegedly there to groom potential future leaders ….)

    In any event, we ALL will shortly come to see the incomparable majesty of BBE’s laws when juxtaposed against the illogical idiocy of our legal eagles….


  31. Zoe
    ….’Zimmerman wrote that “homosexuality is always present in society……it becomes much the fashion”.Pardon my ignorance but is this not the guy who shot and killed Travayon Martin in Florida and called it self defence?Zoe,you got a nerve man.In Chyna,Zimmerman would have faced the squad at dawn..
    Homo sapiens has morphed into homo ignoramus.Professor Morris wrote of buller dogs but only when placed in a closed kennel.The only animal to bull and wick is human.


  32. another interesting video which unravels this law and its absurdity resulting with victimization on both sides. The people depends on the democratic rule of law to be fair and balance but not to implement laws that take away a law from one side to appease another/
    Mike Huckabee in this video makes strong and potent points about the same sex law that makes one shudder


  33. Why exactly does absolute monogamy, the Pauline moral code, from God’s divinely inspired Word, the Bible bring vitality to a society?

    Absolute monogamy fosters cultural growth by solving what anthropologist Margret Mead called the “central problem of every society” – that is, to “define appropriate roles for men.” Monogamous civilizations require men to choose lifelong celibacy or the responsibilities of a husband: fidelity, bread-winning and fatherhood, Most men choose to marry, to their good fortune, because married men ten to be healthier, happier and more productive than bachelors.

    Likewise, the great economist Joseph Schumpeter attributes the success of capitalism not to the entrepreneur’s lust for money or status, but to his love of family. To Schumpeter, the central pillar of any healthy civilization is the self-sacrificing married man who doesn’t spend his income on his pleasures, but prefers “to work and save primarily for wife and children.”

    And in “Family and Civilization,” Harvard historian, Carl Zimmerman concludes that ” the creative periods in civilization have been based upon” the strongest form of family, which he terms the “domestic” type.


  34. @JEFF CUMBERBATCH,
    Jeff, I was not speaking specifically of Barbados, but in terms of the Davis situation. Has this situation been clarified, challenged or accepted/ Exactly what do you mean by the “dominant” and “submissive,” are you speaking of mannerism? Would you say the same thing of lesbians? What about the sex organs? What role does this play, in law, in determining who is male and wh is female? To all intents and purposes Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn, is a female?

    How might this be argued in court?


  35. In the beginning man invented God, man invented a virgin giving birth and man invented marriage.


  36. @Jeff,
    Second last paragraph should read “… since to all intents and purposes Bruce Jenner, now …”


  37. There is now in the USA a ‘right to have a third restroom facility’ for those called or call themselves transgender.So that the customary Male/Female restroom is no longer final.There will be a dictate of the group of 9…henceforth the law demands a third restroom for those who are confused about their sexuality.Istall a tird restroom or….face the judges.America,where minorities have no rights and are killed outright by gun toting cops yet social deviants and aberrants have all the rights of a moving constitution.
    The US Supreme Court says money can influence election outcomes.Its perfectly legal.The people are embracing a presidential candidate whom they see as beyond being bought.That is the fascination with the Donald.Not his gaffes,not his ignorance of issues but his refreshing(for them)candour and the hope he brings of sticking it to the Supreme Court in so far as the American political class use money to buy influence and sell products by manipulating laws, lobbying special interests protection.


  38. and the outrage continues a country of freedom of expression and religious freedom has been thrown under the bus and people are rightfully outrage

  39. pieceuhderockyeahright Avatar
    pieceuhderockyeahright

    @ AC The Smart One

    This article particularly the matter discussed at 7:41 of this audio item is a interesting and excellent find for two reasons

    1) The Issue of Justice Anthony’s dissent with the Federal Law Ruling of Mandatory Sentencing set in the context of said Justice’s agreement with those parties who go against the ruling and

    2) The incredulous fact that you found it.

    Please I BEG YOU change the password to the cuntputer so that AC CANNOT GET TO POST HERE AS YOU or do the “right thing” and come on BU tomorrow and disassociate yourself from them and say that you will nevermore post as AC.

    It ain’t fair man/woman sorry don’t know what to call you, that when a man had finally assigned you to the dungeons of idiocy you come up with something that merits read or listening to.

    Have some pride in youself man, leh Irene post as she ingrunt self and you come clean and leh eveybody gi you de respect dat you deserve

    Leh she go down pun de boat by sheself nuh???


  40. Alvin Cummins September 7, 2015 at 12:42 PM #
    @JEFF CUMBERBATCH,
    “What about the sex organs?”

    “To all intents and purposes Bruce Jenner, now Caitlyn, is a female?”

    Alvin,
    It has been reported that Bruce refused to give up his penis. In finance, this is referred to as “hedging”. Presumably, this piece of “retained equipment’ will help him to bond with his newly found female friends and supporters rather quickly and easily. You are allowed by law to refer to him as he, she, or it.

    LOL


  41. it is all about the constitution and how men of intellect can impose their personnel/political /will to suffice. I believe that the bottom line to this woman defiance would be one of fair and balance which is missing in the Davis case and hopefully restore the trust that is (now seem to be missing) a the directive and a guiding tool in the bill of Rights
    America has now been caught looking like a dare staring in the headlights for the simple reason it is a country which decries any country that denies freedom of expression to religious groups and label such countries as godless and tyrannical
    Some how i must in good conscience agree that there has been a nullification process taken place one which remove religious rights to appease another group and that is sad,


  42. @ Piece
    …the idiot is back….. ๐Ÿ™‚


  43. Barbados is not accepting Syrian refugees on religious grounds, not that they might get a Christian, not that they might get a muslim but just in case they may get a homosexual


  44. Israel is not accepting Syrian refugees because they fear more muslims and jihadists getting up to mischief in a few years.Look how Idi Amin send indian muslims and hindus to Britain 40 years ago. ‘Great’ Britain,fast becoming a second world country, now exporting jihadists in significant numbers.


  45. @Walter and Jeff,
    I did not know that the sex change was not a complete change. I thought that an orifice had been fashioned and an organ removed. That confuses the issue even more.


  46. @ Gabriel
    Have you been watching Europe transition into chaos before our very eyes?
    That refugee situation is called KARMA…
    Anyone who doubts that ISIS and Qaeda operatives are among those ‘migrants/refugees’ probably look to AC for inspiration.

    After riding roughshod over Africa and the Middle East, Europe now finds itself with a backlash of biblical proportions.

    Just picture the chaos that will erupt when some of these ‘refuges’ turn out to be ISIS plants….
    Wonder what the warmongers would give now to have a Gaddafi in Libya and a Saddam in Iraq???

    @ Exclaimer
    Boss man, it looks like our troubles here will be tame in comparison to yours in the big E…


  47. ole man go to sleep if uh got nuttin to say say nuttin at all oh u can always belch out yuh favorite word BRASS BOWL


  48. Bush Tea
    You are spot on as usual.Europe is once again becoming Islamized before our very eyes.The last time it occurred,Europe was overrun by the Moors.There are still pockets of their descendants in China and still giving trouble.I foresee plenty problems for Europe with this influx of Islamists.Saddam and Gadaffi are like the proverbial story of the water and the empty well.


  49. It is why Israel has refused to accept refugees.

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