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The time is long gone where Whites can feel safe in their enclaves pulling strings. Time to integrate in the society!
On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:
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Bullen Robert Ross
A buller who is self-described to be a, and we quote, ‘UNREPENTANT RACIST’ now dares to want to talk about racism. It’s like complaining to the Devil about Satan.
His trick is to make Black people to feel that we are as guilty as his wicked people. But he has less brain that the abiding drive to make a racist non-argument. Maybe his self-description is accurate.
@Pacha
Ross et al are free to do what they feel like it does not mean we must be led by their narrative.
On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:
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Echo…..’Pacha you’re one very sick wackoooooooooooooooooooo……’
@ Exclaimer
You have absolutely missed the point.
Let me break it down for you.
To make a script about this issue, find multiple characters along the 50 shades of grey, pay them, film it and then seek to deconstruct it, is superlative
In the context of Barbados what has been attempted her is a first by a bold group
We get tied up in shyte and are soooo accustomed to faces that when something of worth comes along we seem incapable of viewing it as a commendable effort to deal with this problem.
Putting together this film costed money and white people putting together this film has a cost which is beyond the money spent.
The thing that it deals with is frank and what is generally hidden from our unique life experienced because we have traditionally never sought to engage in the topic and seek a real solution
I want to call you “hunkie” and you want to call me “nigger” and neither of us wants to give rise to a space where that white girl who just wants to be ordinary and the black student at St Winifred’s or St Gabriel’s is not willing to accept the status quo that we old fogeys are unwilling to let go
For me this is a real attempt to deal with the issue, unlike Gerry Seale’s sound bite.
They need to change the woman Janna Odonnell who is facilitating the “exchange” because she is “shallow”, caught up in the magic of her stardom as presenter and does not really do justice to the role of presenter.
It could even be a dual role with a whie person interviewing blacks and a black person engaging whites and mix it up.
It is really and excellent effort.
I expect it to die soon because it is real and has the potential to engender serious discussion and possible change,unfortunately because it speaks of where Barbados should be and not where our society is, and continues to wan to be, it has the DNA which condemns it to “purposed destruction” by the status quo
Bullen Robert Ross
Our sickness is an afflicts which all Black people and people of colour everywhere in the world have.
From the indigenous peoples of Australia to the Inuit of Greenland. That illness has been documented as a post-slavery condition and can only be cured when those who caused it are totally removed from the equation!
Looking back over our morning’s work I see nothing new – the same old double-speak from David who wants whites “kicking and screaming”, the usual rant from Pacha who sees the whites as devils and blacks as an unrecognized master race, the same sour holier-than-thouness from BT busily rending garments and insisting still that Jesus was “African” to make him feel good, the standard sycophancy from Hants and so on. It is AS IF this film never was.
By contrast there is Pieceuh Junior (??) who from the outset has enjoined us to look at the film and applaud those responsible for it and RR who has actually tried to explore its content.
Beyond that little oasis there is just desert. And so on BU it will ever remain and our business here shallow and small and full of dry wells.
@Ross
You are a JA.
@Piece
The true insight from the interview for BU comes iwhen the White chick declared how out of place she felt in a group of Whites. Really!
On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:
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@Piece
Tackling the race issue requires a full court press be it the use of movies, sound bites etc.all hands on deck.
The great insight for BU is the part of the movie where the White chick (pretty) admits to feeling out of place in a White group in Barbados. Telling indeed!
On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:
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LOL
…see we are still at it…
@ Pacha
Why is it so difficult for you to see that both blacks and whites have been misled for centuries now with a baseless lie about white superiority?
Boss, the whites have it wrong ….but so do we blacks….all that is different now is this century is that the science is there to clearly contradict all the previously accepted dogma.
Why pick on whites because they were misled…? ..just as blacks were…!
Is it fair to cuss them for something that we BOTH accepted for hundreds of years?
What we need to do now is to follow the FACTS as we now know them and arrive at a more enlightened position.
It is about as natural that some blacks will resent the unfair advantage held by whites as a result of the racist lie that this world has endured, as it will be that some whites will resent a new paradigm where they are not indeed superior, and if anything, even inferior.
The mature approach is to be guided by the FACTS….and to engineer a new society based on the full acceptance of EQUALITY…..and such that statistically, racial differences became meaningless in most areas of life.
Of course that is MUCH more easily said than done…. cultural changes are extremely difficult to conceptualize and even harder to implement….so we will likely be cussing at each other for some time yet… 🙁
@ Ross
You do not have the ability to ruffle Bushie.
How does one ruffle a bushman who understands the whole point of life?
BTW…
You DO talk a roll of shiite. That is just a fact….no offense meant…..and hopefully none taken….
…but ..if you are offended – too bad!
@ David [BU]
I heard that too.
But whereas a serious presenter/interviewer would have paused and explored the anatomy of that comment “what do you mean when you say you feel out of place and why?” Or what made the black school student seek to engage in spite of the stated brick wall? Odonnell et company stopped short of delving into the genome and were content to skim the surface.
That is probably the difference in what I called sound bites.
That and the crowd of holy hands sanctimonious saved by the blood scamps de madam does drag de ole man to sing wid pun a Sundey is the reason that I feel the fellows like Gerry Seale’s single service is only meant to be emotive once and then silence.
The mechanics of the dual zone movie inspire a fleeting hope that we might use it to engage seriously.
Look how Guiness half hour used to be sponsored unflinching on weekdays as we sought to intoxicate youth.
Why can Sir Kyffin et al, saved in the blood as he is, be solicited to sponsor serious dialogue for 1/2 hour once a week?
But then again, this ole man is two bricks shy of a load….
@Piece
Whites like Sir Kyffin cannot see the benefit of shining light where there is darkness among the masses. There is money to be made. Do you know who own all those minibuses plying the South Eastern side of the island? Ask Debbie!
On Thursday, 19 March 2015, Barbados Underground wrote:
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“The chairman of a local construction company is stepping forward to assist a family in dire need……………..Anthony DaSilva, of Innotech, visited Harriett Hackett, a mother of eight…………after reading of her circumstance.”
Chairman of the same Innotech that got $5 million they were not entitled to when they started the new BWA Headquarters? The same contract on which they have charged the BWA import duty which they are not actually having to pay?
Well it’s nice to know he is returning at least some of the Government’s money to the people of Barbados.
A continuation:
@ robert ross March 19, 2015 at 1:47 PM
“Beyond that little oasis there is just desert. And so on BU it will ever remain and our business here shallow and small and full of dry wells.”
Before we embark on our trek into the desolate desert of black ignorance and white prejudices there is one matter that we must first seek consensus on.
Would you agree that most of the little remaining so-called Bajan whites are most likely not ‘lily’ white at all but, according to the pejorative criteria of the Code Noir, should be considered as quadroons and octoroons proving that their ancestors have been daubed by the tar brush.
A similar paint job was also done on those of African descent. There is a strong suspicion that most black males in Barbados carry at least 25% European DNA in their genetic makeup despite the flexibly ‘strict’ code of sexual conduct between white master and female slaves. Some of them are so ignorantly proud of their British lineage or clan that they naively refer to one another as the McCleans, the Bra(i)thwaites, the Clarkes, the Rileys, the Williams and even the Ross’s.
Now how do we bring this all out in the open as the first bandage to heal the wound of false racism in Barbados? Why not start with the Scientific Truth & Reconciliation strategy by carrying out a widespread DNA analysis on both Bajan whites and blacks. This can be conducted by funding from the British Reparations Movement for Racial Equality in the ex Colonies.
Should the DNA sacred black of night turn to the white revealing light of day many a Bajan passing for white will be forced to run away.
Would you Rob Ross be prepared to undergo such a test of your true ‘colour’ of human variegation?
The miller already knows his multi-heritage status and is proud of them all.
wait Pachaman by whose authority were you able to separate the Devil from satan….Which one is which ,the white man taught that both were one of the same, is this another one of your chock full conspiracy theories deriving from empirical evedience which concludes that one is black and the other is white,
Thanks Hants, updated part II
pachaman see you are trying to drum up necessary debate on racism in barbados ,however i am intrigued to know statistically how many white cops are on the force in barbados and if your empirical evedience does not see a racist correlation between the fergusson police force that being predominately white and the barbados police dept predominately black…now hold your horses before you go trotting off in the deep end telling me that whites never apply, however supporting evedience drawn from statistics would be necessary as proof
I grew up amongst mainly Blacks, but there was a couple ‘poor’ whites and rich whites as well in the neighbourhood. Personally I have not seen this so-called ‘racism’ in Barbados. They would stop at times and have light banter and chats etc and was quite nice. You couldnt keep the poor whites out the rum shop lol. Some women in our district, including my mother, worked as domestics for some of the rich Whites and we were treated as part of their families. We were invited to some of their parties, was given free tickets and rides to their kids school fairs. One of the White ladies use to invite about 20 of us kids from the district into her home where she would allow us to play with her kids toys, borrow books from their library and she would then read to us as a group thrice a week. I knew the entire story of the Silver Sword book before I got into secondary school. Christmas time a whole host of us got gifts and the adults got hams. I would never forget those days. Yes, some of them hold lots of wealth but we must try to emulate them and stop being petty. Take a leaf out of their books. Right now I work with three of them and when it comes to money they are the most frugal people I know. They dress very ‘homely’, eat mostly homemade meals or sandwiches, and watch very closely how they spend their money. Thats how you keep creating wealth. And by learning from them, I can say I am not rich but I am not poor neither. Education in Barbados is ‘free’ take advantage of it. The opportunities can be endless. I know my experience is the minority but us as Blacks have to try and stop throwing blame for the situations many of us find ourselves in. Hard work = Success.
This is an excellent use of the movie medium, to bring an inform position to the race discourse. Let us hope we see more of it.
Oh. pachaman another question. i see you are always sniffing inside the backside of Ross,what evedience do you have or privy (to) that he has ever engaged in homosexuality activity , well maybe outside of you, as it seems that you have positioned your posterior to gauge at an angle that only a person intimately and close to the scene of such activity can speak openly and with conviction.
Is there any reason the race reconciliation report submitted all those years ago cant be made public? Let us read the recommendations.
@ David,
It would be great if the Indie movie Industry could develop in Barbados.
Clearly this film demonstrates the potential.
I have always said that the “race thing” in Barbados is not really a Black / white thing, its a rich / poor thing.
If Barbados wants to solve “racism” the best thing it can do is to spend the next few years on a mission to equalise wealth.
St George’s Dragon March 19, 2015 at 10:40 PM #
If Barbados wants to solve “racism” the best thing it can do is to spend the next few years on a mission to equalise wealth.
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And in less than two years afterwards, those who are now rich and in control, will once again be rich and in control.
We still suffer from the plantation ” Back Money ” mentality. During the very weekend when back money was paid to the sugar workers ,long after the crop had ended, the merchants in Bridgetown would have all kinds of Sales going ,and by the following Monday morning , the merchants in the City would be smiling with most of that money all the way to Barclays Bank .The rest would follow later to the cash boxes of Alleyne Arthur, John D Taylor, and Martin Doly.
David March 19, 2015 at 7:03 PM #
Is there any reason the race reconciliation report submitted all those years ago cant be made public? Let us read the recommendations.
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I told you all already …… because it is recognized as rubbish and has been thrown in File 13!!
The whole exercise was to create fear and division and promote the redistribution of riches …… to politicians and their lackeys………, the recommendations were secondary.
The result is the mess we see before us portrayed for example in the Forensic Auditor’s report.
The whole CLICO mess was orchestrated by a selected few to facilitate a redistribution of riches to the same selected few!
Discussing racism in a sinking moses is a rank waste of time.
St George’s Dragon March 19, 2015 at 10:40 PM #
Considering the white elite for the most part are “not white” this is a step towards the solution.Even Mark Maloney lambasted his critics stating that his grandfather was black.Many would have to same stories to share.
People respect power.On our material plane, money = power.The underclass of whom the majority being black, are overwhelmed with a sense of powerless-ness.Hence wait and see, passive attitude.
If more of the underclass have self defined power,and not by some political mumbo jumbo , the elite will duly have to be more respectful, and some barriers will crumble.
The redistribution of riches occasioned by the CLICO mess affected all colours of the spectrum.
These criminals did not discriminate on skin colour, they just watched the money.
I don’t have a cent in that mess ….. an agent spent two hours trying to convince me to put my money with CLICO.
I told him it was no point discussing from the beginning but he insisted and out of manners I said consented.
I wish I had a picture of his face when after two hours he felt he had me, attempted to close and was met with the same position of two hours earlier.
I saw him recently ….. now works for the competition!!
I asked him if he had money in CLICO and he said yes …… he felt that if he was trying to convince people to put their $$ with CLICO that he should have $$ in too.
Sorry for the guy but he was always going to lose …. dealing with criminals.
Who politician brought CLICO to Barbados?
SuckaBubby March 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM #
If more of the underclass have self defined power,and not by some political mumbo jumbo , the elite will duly have to be more respectful, and some barriers will crumble.
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That is what Bajans used to have, and in abundance, self defined power, not only the underclass but also the “elite”.
Mutual respect governed Barbados and was the order of the day.
Today we don’t care about each other.
The imagined “elite” have long gone and new elites have taken their place ….. nobody respects anybody …. everybody respects the $ …. perhaps respect is the wrong word …. craves is more accurate.
….. and if our memories are that short the GOB gave CLICO a waiver of Property Transfer Tax when it purchased some of the large fertile operating plantations in St. John.
Here was an exercise in the redistribution of riches.
ABJECT FAILURE!!
While dated August 2014, well worth viewing: https://youtu.be/T_98ojjIZDI. Jon Stewart on Race
Why White People Freak Out When They’re Called Out About Race
By Sam Adler-Bell / AlterNet
March 12, 2015
Stop me if you’ve heard this one.
Last year, a white male Princeton undergraduate was asked by a classmate to “check his privilege.” Offended by this suggestion, he shot off a 1,300-word essay to the Tory, a right-wing campus newspaper.In it, he wrote about his grandfather who fled the Nazis to Siberia, his grandmother who survived a concentration camp in Germany, about the humble wicker basket business they started in America. He railed against his classmates for “diminishing everything [he’d] accomplished, all the hard work [he’d] done.”
His missive was reprinted by Time. He was interviewed by the New York Times and appeared on Fox News. He became a darling of white conservatives across the country.
@Kevin
In many case when people are piss poor, regardless on colour and religion, they tend to get along well together. The problem starts when I bring in a big fridge , a big second hand car, and put up a big satellite dish on op of the house. Suddenly I have become a member of the so-called middle class, and begin to look down my nose at those less equipped. I’ve seen this in a european city of which I was a “resident” , and where whites were pitted against fellow whites in the most violent form.
@Colonel Buggy
I once had an African friend tell me the same thing.
Divide up all of the money in the world equally and at the end of the day we would have millionaires, rich, poor, and beggars.
Your statement may be true, but it is not just a Bajan thing. You are describing human nature.
It’s quite possible that the issue in Barbados is more about the color green (color of money). It happens that the green in Barbados is controlled mainly by whites and by non-nationals with businesses in the island. Thus alliances of other ethnic groups with “whites” only reflects the division of the island into two camps green and non-green.
I have been out of the island for sometime and I am still hearing the same black vs. white hyperbole as when i was there. I can only conclude that we have not yet identified the problem and have no solution for whatever the problem is.
The Scientist Rids The World Of Intergalactic Vampires Killers…..
When the Parliament in England,back in the 18th century, decided to form the West Indian Regiment,with its Headquarters in Barbados , where the rank and file would have composed freed black men, the merchants in Barbados,were on the edge of mutiny, threatening to with hold paying vital tax to the Mother Country . Arming Blacks? unheard of !. But their fears were put to rest ,thanks to Bussa and his ill fated rebellion. The Black West Indian Regiment ,had put down the rebellion in a way that would have brought tears, tears of joy, to the merchants and their barefoot,redleg militia.
In today’s papers we are hearing some officers of some gunclubs in Barbados , lamenting over the decision of the Commissioner of Police, not to renew their “sports” gun licenses of members of those particular clubs. So far we have not heard from other sports gun clubs, such as the Clay Pigeon Club and the one in St Philip, where a total stranger, a tourist, walked off the road into the club, hired a weapon,and committed suicide there and then. The club was unable to provide the police with any identity.
This is Barbados ,18th,19th,20th or 21 st Century is still the same.
@ Observer
I have been out of the island for sometime and I am still hearing the same black vs. white hyperbole as when i was there.
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You must be in Japan or New Zealand boss.
Where else on this earth has the same old “black vs, white hyperbole” gone away bozie….?
….except in those countries that hardly allow any blacks in the first place….
Also, the problem here is about more than money.
It is about cultural conditioning, and will persist until blacks truly come to appreciate their true self-worth.
We are cursed by an “educational system” that largely accepts the centuries old white lie about the status of blacks, and about some moral and altruistic need for others to treat blacks as human beings… Even those who think that they are revolutionaries are enslaved to this line of thinking.
The very idea that someone could think that Bushie needs their respect and “fair treatment” in order to feel a complete human being is actually quite laughable….
You can enslave a bushman, torture and humiliate a bushman, kill a bushman…. but how can you even contemplate that Bushie is anything but a son of BBE …. at the heart of the very PURPOSE of creation…?
Our system is not only is based on a self-demeaning lie about race, but it is designed to discourage us from thinking critically and from questioning this nonsense. Our idea of ‘education’ is to regurgitate data provided to us to maintain the status quo.
We don’t even learn to play games which require THINKING…..instead, just using natural talent and doing as you are told….
…our cricketers were strongest when they were exposed to a different (English county cricket) educational environment where THINKING is encouraged more.
..also many Bajans who emigrate CHANGE their outlook dramatically when exposed to a different way of thinking…
Look at out current test players….and other elite athletes..
First thing we need to do is fire all the idiots currently mis-directing our so-called “education system” and restructure the damn thing from the ground up…
and we are cursed by a self promoting ego maniacal ja.ass called bush s.hite who professes to know every thing about every thing, this fossil seems to be the only known neanderthal left roaming the earth that scientist have refused to explore,
In Ottawa their has been a marked increase in bank robberies this year now most banks have pretty good cameras now. So you know what the racist banks and the racist Ottawa cops did they showed six of the robberies and there pictures to see if they would get the publics help in identifying them and 5 of them were done by black guys. What the fu%##@@k how dare they. That just makes it look that black people don’t know what …camera under surveillance means.
George Zimmerman hit the nail on the head …. the biggest racists are our leaders!!
@John
So this is where we can find you washed in the quotes of Zimmerman. An interesting place to be.
…… but you must admit, the man is extremely perceptive
Very, very few people in Barbados realize the divide and rule game played by our leaders over the years.
This guy got it in a flash as it appeared in the US.
Still feel he should not have pursued Trayvon Martin, look what happened to Blues and his son here pursuing a criminal.
Did you get to Harbour Lights for the function to raise funds for its former bar tender?
I don’t drink so would be interested to hear from someone who went.
@ John
…you need a good woman.
Another shocking video of an innocent black man being brutalised by white thugs (policemen).
The 22 odd minutes of this ‘documentary’ above represents trivia.
For it does not deal with the fundamental issues. It does not draw on a wider body of settled knowledge. It does not seek to do anything other than assuage perceived fears of a White establishment through various kinds of man-in-the-street rationalization.
What it does do is to in-artfully present Whiteness, as a central construct, with a sprinkling of ‘the other’ to give the impression that their narrative is transcendent, unassailable.
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