Submitted by Pachamama
Vladímir Putin – President of Russia
Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it – Lysander Spooner
In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act – George Orwell
If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth – Joseph Goebbels
All warfare is based on deception – Sun Tzu
Our central point of departure rests on the truism that we live within a tapestry of lies. But when it comes to Geo-politics, the theory of the big lie was always necessary in the maintenance of empire. Notwithstanding this centuries old adage, the big lie remains a potent weapon in the quiver of the powers as they seek to conduct war, by any means necessary, against their foes. In recent years we’ve had big lies serving to instigate illegal wars against Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Gaza, Yugoslavia and others. However, the recent war propaganda against Putin’s Russia take the big lie to new and staggering levels of acceptability. Indeed, the very existence of the Anglo-American Empire has come to rest on the acceptance of these big lies as truisms.
We have never been persuaded that any country commands any high level of innocence. Indeed, we see countries as impersonal entities without any enduring friendships but with perennial interests. These national interests guide countries and blocks as they tussle for advantage and ascendancy. In this pursuit countries may try a combination of diplomacy, politics and other cultural and economic levers to change the balance of power, gain strategic advantage. In the event where there is a failure, militarism, including sanctions, maybe employed by belligerents to achieve, through violence, that which could not be so done by ‘peaceful’ means.
In the case of Russia the big lie theory has proven to be a worthy and reliable stand-in for logic and reason. It was Goebbels who argued that given control of media, it was easy to determined what the population believed. And the populations of the world is largely under the control of this Goebbels injunction. In the propaganda war on Russia such a global propaganda ministry has trotted out a number of baldfaced lies to violently overthrow the government of Ukraine as a sovereign state and then proceeded to institute a coup government made up of neo-Nazi elements while blaming Russia for the ‘mistakes’ of the West. This is the nature of war – the big lie style. The government they established was to be a mere servant of colonialism, to create confusion on Russia’s borders and was aimed at breaking up Ukraine in the interests of long-run destabilization that could spill over into Russia itself. This is only the most recent in the American led NATO expansion eastward in violation of promises made to Gorbachev. They miscalculated Russia was never to become a competitor for dominance, challenging the USD and realigning countries against empire.
In the case of Crimea there were many lies told by the West, and a few by Russia too. It was once said that when a lie gets a head start on the truth, the truth will never catch up. Sometimes a lie can defeat another lie, but not always. However, in the case of eastern Ukraine – Kharkov, Luhansk and Donetsk – east of the Dnieper River – no effort has been spared in the West in the magnitude of big lies told to achieve their hideous objectives. Lies so pervasive that they represent truth for most. Some narratives about Ukraine are totally informed by lies. Big lies mouthed over and over again in all media especially network television, global newspapers of record and mindless stenographers for empire like the Nation Newspaper in Barbados. But the lies are not working anymore, we had wondered how many times must the West peddle lies to get us into war and we like sheeple meekly comply. The end to the effectiveness of Western lies surely signals the end of their reign as well, no?
The most recent big lie was that Russian troops has invaded eastern Ukraine. The people of the world are not to know that most of the military equipment of Ukraine comes from Russia. So we are shown convoys of Russian military vehicle and told that there is an invasion. And we have these ‘babes’ on television forming our opinions absent of other possible explanations. Could these vehicles not to under the control of Ukrainians troops? Could there not be captured vehicles from the regime in Kiev? Could this parade not be part of an exercise that happened sometime ago? Could there not be an alternative explanation? This narrative is absent of a realistic understanding of the military might of Russia, its recent involvements, etc. We suggest, given the military might of Russia that should Putin have made to decision to invade Ukraine, Kiev itself would have fallen months ago and there would not be one darn thing the West (NATO) could have done, except stupid talk about self defeating sanctions.
Indeed, Orlov has argued that should Russia have invaded Ukraine, Ukrainian artillery would have fell silent immediately; the appearance of the war theater would have changed immediately; the Ukrainian military would have instantly vanished; Russian checkpoints would be everywhere; Ukrainian border crossings would have been under the control of Russia; a no-fly zone would have been established over all of Ukrainian skies; the Western puppets like Poroskeno would not be available to media; 800 thousand Ukrainians currently in Russia would be going back home; there would have been an intensification of diplomatic and military activity around the world; the surrender of Kiev. None of these are happening or have happened. On the contrary Russian has taken significant actions to de-escalate a possible and wider confrontation with the West. These include the reversal of a law giving Putin the power to declare war, and others. None of this will help the situation when America and its European colonies are fighting for imperial survival. A war is necessary! A war the American want others to fight for it. On the other hand the Americans intend on the push for an extended dominance by lying to the Europeans about their ability to supply them with alternative energy resources and compromising their dependence on Russian gas. So Europe is to pay the price for empire!
Before this most recent spectacular series of lies there was the PNAC-like national security event of Malaysian flight MH17. The liars in Washington seem still convinced that airplane crashes have the ability to solicit irrational and emotional calls for war from the American people. Again there were a number of big lies surrounding this event which failed to stick so they were soon abandoned. They had asked us to believe that the Novorussians (the rebels) had shot down the aircraft. When it became clear that the rebels had no such capabilities we were then asked to accept that Russians were operating such anti-aircraft batteries in their stead. When that failed the liars shifted to the ill-conceived argument that MH17 was downed from Russian territory. Even in the face of satellite evidence produced by the Russians showing a Ukrainian air force jet in the vicinity of flight MH17 seconds before its downing, the Americans and their new neo-fascist friends failed to provide any evidence to the contrary. They ignored that the Ukrainian military had done this before, 10 years prior, by accident. That is the problem with the big lie theory, you see, a modicum of truth, given some media can defeat a universe of big lies. The imperfect attempts by both the Novorussians and Russians to cooperate with international agencies and governments, particularly the government of Malaysia, has prevented the use of this 9/11 type false flag attach as a cause cilibre – a cause for war! Nobody, but idiots, have any confidence in anything the Americans say about anything. Diplomacy defeated militarism and the destruction of truth as necessary pre-conditions for war but the big liars will not quit. Right now more lies are being hatched, even about Syria. Anything to make a war possible.
Whereas the West and NATO would like to characterize Vladimir Putin as a tyrant, the new Hitler and a warmonger. And whereas the propagandized minds in the West are imminently susceptible to these big lies. We must conclude that the reverse is true. It is the West that are the tyrants. It is the West that are the supporters of the neo-Nazi and are themselves fascists. It is the West, and the Americans in particular, who have lost their way and see war as their only hope of extending empire. It is the West which covets other peoples’ things and intend to take them by any means necessary, like they have always done. Thinking people should not see the Ukrainian situation in isolation. They must connect it to recent, similar, imperial American – NATO behaviors in Libya, Syria, Egypt, South Sudan, Yugoslavia, Palestine, Iraq and Iran. Of course, there is a wider berth of imperial excesses even within Europe itself, like Operation Gladio. So for the West there are to be no friends, per-say, only to the extent to which such relationships serve their interests. In this vicious game for power everybody lies to everybody else and the West have been the biggest liars of all. The bigger the lie …………………… the better!
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the damn long article could have been easily said,, lies,,, lies and more damn lies..
America’s Gamble: Wealth, War and Power. “Russian Roulette” and the Drive To Nuclear Armageddon?
By Colin Todhunter
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The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) is a recipe for continued barbarity [13]. It discusses taking out Syria, Iraq, Somalia, Afghanistan and other countries. The outcome has been chaos and slaughter for the benefit of Wall Street and the City of London. The ultimate goal is to prevent any rival emerging to challenge Washington’s global hegemony and to secure dominance over the entire planet.
Two countries present a challenge in this respect: Russia and China. Both are in the process of being dealt with. Russia is currently the top priority: it is preventing ‘progress’ in Syria, Iran and Central Asia. At this time, all paths to Moscow are through Ukraine.
A former top CIA official recently stated that if the economic sanctions do not hurt Russian oligarchs enough to make them oust Putin then a bullet to the head would do the job [14]. And that is the whole point of Washington’s game plan. To slap illegitimate sanctions on Moscow, to squeeze Russia’s rich till the pips squeak and they oust Putin and to destabilise Russia via Ukraine and install a leader who will acquiesce to the US. The US can then proceed unchallenged to loot Russia again, as it did in the nineties. But this time the plan is to balkanise Russia to ensure it remains permanently crippled.
Washington has no morality.
In a recent speech by Putin, he stated that those forces who are lining up against Russia should remember that Russia is a nuclear power [15]. Washington believes it can win a nuclear conflict with Russia. It no longer regards nuclear weapons as a last resort but part of a convention theatre of war and is willing to use them for pre-emptive strikes [16].
Washington is accusing Russia of violating Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty without a shred of credible evidence, while it sends military and intelligence assistance to Kiev and has its military, mercenary and intelligence personnel inside Ukraine. It is putting troops in Poland and is tabling a ‘Russian anti-aggression’ act that will portray Russia as an aggressor in order to give Ukraine de facto membership of NATO and thus full military support, advice and assistance [17]. If Russia does decide to intervene to protect ethnic Russians, NATO/the US and Moscow could come face to face on the battlefield. The strength of Russia’s conventional forces in its own back yard would surely place NATO on the back foot. Staring defeat in the face, the US could well resort to the nuclear option.
Washington’s aggression amounts to a gamble with all our lives. There would be no winner, only nuclear Armageddon for the entire planet.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-gamble-wealth-war-and-power-russian-roulette-and-the-drive-to-nuclear-armageddon/5398617
it is all Washington fault…..next…
It is inconceivable that these misguided individuals can be ranting and raving against the sins of the USA while condoning the sins of Russia and China. Q in the community should have gone to Moscow and Beijing instead of Brooklyn.
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I well remembered when the then Soviet Union rolled into Czechoslovakia almost overnight in 1968. Shortly afterwards NATO mounted an exercise, involving much of its backbone forces,namely the USA and the UK. Hope that NATO has improved since then, if it plans on arms wresting with Putin,as there are some military organisations within NATO , that are just numbers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11069070/I-can-take-Kiev-in-two-weeks-Vladimir-Putin-warns-European-leaders.html
There’s a new book recently released which some readers of this blog might find of interest, as we find ourselves watching violence flaring in Ukraine, the Middle East and Libya with threats and warnings of more violence to come if Putin’s ambitions cannot be reigned in, and in the background is always the perpetual “war on terror” (now a war on ISIS, the “new and improved” al Qaeda) which Dick Cheney assured us would never end in our lifetime.
The author is a retired Canadian academic, Professor Graeme MacQueen, formerly a Professor of Religious Studies at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario. In his book MacQueen investigates the story behind the anthrax filled letters sent to some US politicians and media figures not long after 9/11/2001 and which were quickly linked to al Qaeda and/or Saddam Hussein by politicians and media commentators. (The anthrax filled envelopes also contained crude, hand written notes warning of future attacks and included phrases such as: “Death to America, Death to Israel, Allah is Great”, clearly designed to give the impression they were written by Muslim fanatics.)
“This deeply troubling book should be read by all thinking Americans.”
Denis J. Halliday, UN Assistant Secretary-General 1994-98
THE 2001 ANTHRAXDECEPTION The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy
The 2001 anthrax letter attacks in the United States killed five people and wounded dozens. They were widely blamed on extremist Muslims and their backers and used to support the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.
They were also used to justify and hasten the passage of the USA PATRIOT Act, which was being presented to Congress just as the first anthrax victim grew ill. In October 2001, one of the hypotheses that gained ground was that of the Double Perpetrator, the claim that al-Qaeda was carrying out the attacks with the support of Iraq. Much evidence was put forth to support this Double Perpetrator hypothesis but independent scientists soon discovered that the anthrax spores came from a domestic lab in the US serving the military and intelligence communities, not from al-Qaeda or Iraq.
The FBI then quickly claimed that an individual was responsible for the attacks and began noisily looking for this “lone wolf.” In 2008 the Bureau named Dr. Bruce Ivins of the US Army Medical Institute of Infectious Disease as the “anthrax killer.” Although the FBI remains committed to the Ivins hypothesis, the case has been disintegrating for the last three years. Currently, it is justly held in contempt not merely by scientists who worked with Ivins but by many journalists as well as several US senators. But this raises the question: if Ivins did not commit this crime, who did?
This book presents evidence to support the following points:
(a) The anthrax attacks were carried out by a group of perpetrators, not by a “lone wolf.” The attacks were, therefore, the result of a conspiracy—by definition a plan by two or more people, made in secret and resulting in an immoral or illegal act.
(b) The group that carried out this crime consisted, in whole or in part, of insiders deep within the US state apparatus.
(c) These insiders were the same people who planned the 9/11 attacks
(d) The anthrax attacks were meant to facilitate a seizure of power by the executive branch of government through intimidation of Congress and US civil society. They were also designed to achieve public acquiescence to and support for the redefinition of US foreign policy, replacing the Cold War with a new and aggressive global conflict framework, the Global War on Terror.
http://www.claritypress.com/MacQueen.html
Green Monkey | September 1, 2014 at 10:25 PM |
Washington is accusing Russia of violating Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty without a shred of credible evidence, while it sends military and intelligence assistance to Kiev and has its military, mercenary and intelligence personnel inside Ukraine.
A succinct posit that captures what’s happening in Ukraine. Don’t forget CIA orchestrated the coup that ousted the elected President that led to Crimea’s vote to leave Ukraine followed by the uprising in the east.. Cause and effect .
Here’s more-
Why doesn’t the Ukraine government sit with the rebels and thrash out a ceasefire and agreement on how they can co exist? This tragic civil war cannot be won on the battlefield by Ukraine so they should sit and work things out with the rebels.
@Pacha
Al qaeda now ‘favoured’ over ISIS.
Bush approach vs Obama
It is more of the same.
When will it end.
@ David
It is wrong to accept these false choices. The real terrorists are their paymasters. Those who use them to achieve Geo-political ends. These are the USA, The Europeans and the satrapies in the Middle east like Saudi Arabia and their secret global government. Only when the West decides to invade SA would you know they’re serious about destroying their (the West’s) creation – terrorism
There is no difference in the approach regardless of who is president. The presidency is an institution and the titular holder makes no difference to the general trajectory. They are all the same, Reagan-Bush1-Clinton-Bush2-Obama what lasting difference has there been? They all try to serve those who put them there. The war they seek is not about any real differences between people, it’s about infighting amongst the secret government. The peoples of Russia have no real differences with the American people. It’s Putin who refuses to take secret Orders from those who want to establish a one world government, with them in control.
The end gives us no ‘hope’ either, unless there is mass uprisings everywhere and we find ways to rid ourselves of the people our leaders serve. Or you may have to ask Bushie to hasten his kingdom! LOL
Ex-NSA Director, US Intelligence Veterans Write Open Letter To Merkel To Avoid All-Out Ukraine War
Alarmed at the anti-Russian hysteria sweeping Washington, and the specter of a new Cold War, U.S. intelligence veterans one of whom is none other than William Binney, the former senior NSA crypto-mathematician who back in March 2012 blew the whistle on the NSA’s spying programs more than a year before Edward Snowden, took the unusual step of sending the following memo dated August 30 to German Chancellor Merkel challenging the reliability of Ukrainian and U.S. media claims about a Russian “invasion.”
MEMORANDUM FOR: Angela Merkel, Chancellor of Germany
FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)
SUBJECT: Ukraine and NATO
We the undersigned are longtime veterans of U.S. intelligence. We take the unusual step of writing this open letter to you to ensure that you have an opportunity to be briefed on our views prior to the NATO summit on September 4-5.
You need to know, for example, that accusations of a major Russian “invasion” of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the “intelligence” seems to be of the same dubious, politically “fixed” kind used 12 years ago to “justify” the U.S.-led attack on Iraq. We saw no credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq then; we see no credible evidence of a Russian invasion now. Twelve years ago, former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, mindful of the flimsiness of the evidence on Iraqi WMD, refused to join in the attack on Iraq. In our view, you should be appropriately suspicions of charges made by the US State Department and NATO officials alleging a Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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Experience With Untruth
Hopefully, your advisers have reminded you of NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen’s checkered record for credibility. It appears to us that Rasmussen’s speeches continue to be drafted by Washington. This was abundantly clear on the day before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq when, as Danish Prime Minister, he told his Parliament: “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. This is not something we just believe. We know.”
Photos can be worth a thousand words; they can also deceive. We have considerable experience collecting, analyzing, and reporting on all kinds of satellite and other imagery, as well as other kinds of intelligence. Suffice it to say that the images released by NATO on August 28 provide a very flimsy basis on which to charge Russia with invading Ukraine. Sadly, they bear a strong resemblance to the images shown by Colin Powell at the UN on February 5, 2003 that, likewise, proved nothing.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra
On the geo-politics, Fidel has always been right!
”Cuba’s former president Fidel Castro compared NATO’s recent statements to that of Nazi SS and accused US and its allies of igniting conflicts abroad. Castro slammed John McCain for backing Israel and accused both of being involved in the creation of ISIL terrorist group”. – See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1628634#sthash.jNOuKmqn.dpuf
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1628634
“Many people are astonished when they hear the statements made by some European spokesmen for NATO when they speak with the style and face of the Nazi SS,” Castro wrote in a column published in Cuban state media.
“Adolf Hitler’s greed-based empire went down in history with no more glory than the encouragement provided to NATO’s aggressive and bourgeois governments, which makes them the laughing stock of Europe and the world.”
– See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1628634#sthash.jNOuKmqn.dpuf
Pachamama | September 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM |
“On the geo-politics, Fidel has always been right!”
On the geopolitics, Fidel never made a good bet in his life. That being why His People now live in penury.
And not only in penury; also a closed camp.
Can I, as a Cuban, trundle down to the local British Airways office in Havana and buy a ticket to France or Sweden or Italy or (god forfend) the US?
No, I can’t. Why? Why?
Can I, as a Cuban living in Havana, buy online a ticket to anywhere out of the country?
No, I can’t. Why? Why?
Why is it that when Barbados exports such a proportionally large number of people every year to the rest of the world, that not a single one of them (count them: zero) ever moves permanently to Havana or Moscow?
Why are there so many Bajans in Brooklyn and Toronto, whinging about the abscence of Banks beer and eddoes, but not a single Bajan who has ever thought, in all of human history: ” you know what would be cool? Let’s move the family to Havana. That’d be so cool.”
Why?
This entire post, like countless others from the the same source: “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing.”
An idiot smooching up to the gangster goon Putin. An idiot so ensnared by his own idiocy, so full of hate for the countries to which Barbados exports most of its reasonably bright prime-age people, that he wants to snuggle up with barbarians.
An idiot. An idiot with a lot of time on his hands, granted, but still an idiot.
Pachamama | September 2, 2014 at 8:18 AM |
“@ David
“These are the USA, The Europeans and the satrapies in the Middle east like Saudi Arabia and their secret global government.
“The war they seek is not about any real differences between people, it’s about infighting amongst the secret government.”
First, what is this secret government?
Second, if it’s secret, how do you know about it?
Third, if you know about it, how can it be described as “secret”?
Fourth, Pachamama, how do you know about this “secret government”?
Did you (i) somehow infiltrate it with night-vision goggles and appropriate firearms and a mission; or (ii) read about it on the internet in funny websites?
Whatever the answer, the question abides: what is this “secret government”? Who are its (not it’s) members?
Pacha……..slimy politics never ends.
Hitler annexed the Sudentenland. Putin annexed the Crimea. In Hitler’s case, the world appeased him and he invaded Poland. The rest is history. In Putin’s case, the world was too scared to confront him, so he invaded Ukraine. Who is really acting like the Nazis here?
Peltdownman | September 2, 2014 at 3:16 PM |
“Hitler annexed the Sudentenland.”
True
“Putin annexed the Crimea. In Hitler’s case, the world appeased him and he invaded Poland.”
True.
“The rest is history.”
Wrong, without qualification.
In history, what happened is that the grown-up countries who were not barbarians sacrificed much blood and treasure to bomb the barbarians into civilization. Within living memory we have irrefutable proof that barbarians can be bombed into civilization. Bombing can stop people, civilian people, from gassing children and the shovelling their little bodies into ovens.
It goes without saying that the idiot Pachamama is an ahistorical idiot.
Can you imagine, if the idiot government of Cuba woke up tomorrow and said: ” Know what? Let’s just let all we little fidelistas travel freely, let the little fidelistas go wherever they want.”
How many Cubans would be left in Cuba? Seriously. How many?
And can Cubans even read this BU discussion on the internet?
No, they can’t. Why? Why?
Welly, does you only say that because I is black?
Let me tell you, Welly, channelling BANGO leader King, how SICK these women are. Wid exklamasuns an evertink!!, dey is so!!!!! Sick!!!! Wid more exclamaysunns. An all dat tink!!!!.
Bonnywhere are you??????? Ya got ma bawlin!!!!????
@Jack Bowman
And do you honestly believe , that if given the chance, that those Germans who were recently part of East Germany ,and some other East European countries, who we now want to defend against a Russian take over , would not gas, burn and kill many more beside the Jews?
What a pity that we never got around to bombing Red Neck America
Colonel Buggy | September 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM
“@Jack Bowman
“What a pity that we never got around to bombing Red Neck America”
An expression so sad and and so ahistorical it makes my eyes bleed. Who taught you? What do you know?
Why would it have been a good idea to bomb what you witlessly call “Red Neck America” in 1942? Do you know ANYTHING of modern history apart from the joke version taught at UWI?
Is there a single history course on Cave Hill thatt. equires students to know about, say, Central America and to know enough Spanish that such students could even attempt primary-source research?
No, there isn’t. So let’s all focus, in all of human history, on why the slave trade made Barbadians diabetic and asthmatic.
That’s the way to go.
second american journalist beheaded
ISIS video shows beheading of American journalist Steven Sotloff
It just doesnt matter what the people of Barbados think. What matters is what members of the BU FAMBLY think An dey tink, an dey got we bawlinnnnn, dat white Europeans should beexterminated. Heah????. Ya gotma. Awlin Baffy!!!!, Like me me on Facebook!!!!
Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine?
September 2, 2014
Exclusive: ”Official Washington draws the Ukraine crisis in black-and-white colors with Russian President Putin the bad guy and the U.S.-backed leaders in Kiev the good guys. But the reality is much more nuanced, with the American people consistently misled on key facts”, writes Robert Parry.
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/02/whos-telling-the-big-lie-on-ukraine/
Seems like the intelligent people are talking about the same ‘Big Lie’. Of course fools seldom differ.
Colonel Buggy
It is funny how Hitler preached his racial ideology on one hand, while on the other hand, he accepted the Japanese people who are non-white as his friends? Could it be that Hitler was using the Japanese to acomplished his personal designs? Or did he honestly saw them as equal to the European? What was Hitler’s motivation for befriending the Yellow man? In his opus magnus, Hitler belittled the non-white people of the world and inflated the accomplishment of the European throughout human civilization.
The Germany philospher Emanual Kant, preached his geographical racist ideology, which helped perpetuated the theory of racial inferiority. Kant, was of the opinion that people who lived in the warner climates such as Africa; lacked the kind of intellect you often find in colder climates of Europe.
People often ask the question: why did Hitler held such a pathological hatred for the Jewish people. Many wrongfully suggested that it stemmed from his personal envy for their success, but his hatred for the Jews actually, sprung for his love of the two Germany antisemitic philosophers, Nietzsche and Hegel. These two men influenced Hitler’s thinking in fundamental ways!
@ Dompey
…why don’t you stop with this damn “which helped perpetuated” and “why did Hitler held such a pathological hatred”….
Steupsss
Yuh can use the damn past tense after qualifying the statement like that….
Um should be “which helped to perpetuate”
…and ” why did Hitler HOLD”….
…you trying to sound like your a Kant…or what…?
Bush Tea
You had to discover the negative in so much of the positive, but that is okay brother, Jack Bowman is around to fix you Mr. perfect.
@Dompey
Hitler had no intentions of making the Japanese equal to his minds eye master race. Hitlers intention was to let the Japanese do the dirty work in the Far East, and when the rest of the world was conquered by the Germany mighty machine, then they would have turn on the Japs.,using the same Belsen and Dachau methods to decimate them.
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Looks like Putin is playing the game they all play.
Trying to understand how Western authorities can figure out who beheads anyone. Isn’t the bigger problem the entity driving the action?
The 24 hour US news networks are feeding on the news bites and images the Ukraine and Iraq conflicts offer. Just the other day the US was funding ‘freedom’ fighters in Syria who now comprise ISIS forces. Funny the way one has to reap the whirl win.
@ David
No! The putch government has lost its will be fight and had earlier agreed to a ceasefire, today, but evidently internal and or external forces has caused them to withdraw from this agreement. Putin has defeated the West as the rebels have defeated Kiev and its coup government.
Putsch!
@Pacha
Part of the problem is the idea by Germany, Franch and the better off countries in the EU tbat they should be reluctant to help European countries of the former Soviet bloc on the fringe like Ukrane. This makes them vulnerable to Big Bear.
@ David
The implicit assumption of existence of this old polemic is wrong. Lines are not so clearly divided. Yes, there are Big Bear elements. Yes, there are rich vs poor dynamics, and so on. But the hard Cold War divisions are not as black and white as indicated by those in the West who want war.
Separately, we had earlier said that Putin could take Kiev and most of Ukraine in short order if he wanted to and the American-NATO would be helpless. See this quote from Putin as wrongly contextualized in media: Putin told Jose Manuel Barroso “If I want to, I can take Kiev in two weeks,” Italy’s La Repubblica newspaper reported, implying this could be the result if the EU stepped up sanctions against Russia.
The problem is tbat Putin knows the West does not have the stomach for war and Putin must be wary of the NATO factor.
@ David
Your conundrum suggests -Who invented the liar? Hermes or Man?
If you want to say something about a liar sentence, in the sense of being able to give final answers to the questions “Is it meaningful or not? And if it is meaningful, is it true or false? Does it express a proposition or not? Does it have a truth-value or not? And which one?” Then you will always fail. The very act of interpreting a language that contains a liar sentence creates a hierarchy of interpretations, and the reflection that this generates does not terminate in an answer to the questions “Is the liar sentence in this case the captioned matter meaningful or meaningless…??
Reference – My late mother, on her deathbed, her face flushed with fear over her rapidly impending demise to “an eternity of nothingness.”
In a tearful mess, I told my mother that she’s wrong about the afterlife: “When you die you’re going to go to your favorite place in the whole world. And you’re going to be with all of the people you’ve ever loved and who have ever loved you. And you’re going to be young again, and you’ll be able to run through the fields and dance and jump, and there will be no sadness, no pain, just love and laughing and happiness. There will be ponies made of gold, and everyone will live in giant mansions, and everything will smell like cookies. And it will last for an eternity, a pleasant eternity.”
Life Is A Flower
Life is a Flower
Blooming all day long
Life’s sweet
Life’s sugar
is here to stay
We are honey bees
We keep sucking life’s sweet now
How do we build our homes
You mask ask and I will say
By working together on our honeycombs
We drive fear away
fear cannot stay
how do we do it
you may ask and I will say
by clinging together on our honey combs
http://youtu.be/Fj3nh_NTABw
@ David
What Putin knows is that the West is stumbling from self-imposed crisis to self-imposed crisis and he would most like to get out of the way so that empire could collaspe on otself, but they won’t let him, no matter how hard he tries.
@Pacha
What the West knows from the Iraq, Syria and a couple other countries is that an exit plan is important.
@ David
This is not about any exit strategy! How do you explain these people, the West, keeps stumbling into one disaster after another in quick time – 3 years. We should refer to history to see where this has happened before and why? The fall of great powers. How do you explain, for instance, that the same people who are now crying wolf about ISIS, about Ukraine, about Iraq are the same people we supported the ISIS against Assad, supported the Neo-Nazis against Putin, supported the Sunni terrorists in Iraq, supported the ISIS in Libya. You couldn’t make this up!
@Pacha
The enemy is not only countries it is ideological groupings. This has made geopolitics a challenge in 2014.
The chances that the U.S. and Russia will clash militarily over Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine are very, very slim. Ukraine isn’t a member of NATO, and President Obama isn’t likely to volunteer for another war. But many of Ukraine’s neighbors are NATO members, including Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Hungary. And so are the the Baltic states — Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia — further north and right on Russia’s border.
If any of those countries come to Ukraine’s aid and find themselves in a war with Russia, NATO is obliged to intervene. That’s also true if Russia comes up with some pretext to invade any of those countries, unlikely as that seems. If we learned anything from World War I, it’s that huge, bloody conflicts can start with tiny skirmishes, especially in Eastern Europe.
Again, the U.S. and Russia almost certainly won’t come to blows over Ukraine.
David | September 3, 2014 at 9:15 AM |
@Pacha
Part of the problem is the idea by Germany, France and the better off countries in the EU that they should be reluctant to help European countries of the former Soviet bloc on the fringe like Ukrane. This makes them vulnerable to Big Bear..
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And that is especially true about France, one of those European countries that NATO cannot depend on. During the long Cold War. France being at the furtherest end of Europe , away from Moscow, and Berlin, opted to withdraw Militarily from NATO. But this reluctance to help countries of the former Soviet block, also stems for the fact troops of some of these countries are not up to scratch,and when we speak of NATO engagement, we are talking USA and the UK.
SORRY TO SPOIL YOUR VANITY –
Fact- 10 minutes ago.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said he is hoping for a peace agreement to be reached between Ukraine and pro-Russian rebels by Friday.
Ukraine will strengthen it ties with NATO. Job done….
@ Dompey
NATO is a fiction at worst and at best a straw man. The USA funds it to 75%, calls all the shots and uses it to interfere in the EU etc. The Americans even have people like Rasmussen reading the speeches they write for him. Europe is little more than American colonies.
Putin is playing the media to counter Obama’s rhetoric.
@ David
Media is a war theatre. The first casuality of war is truth. Putin has truth on his side. Obama is a consummate liar.
Though we must say that in recent days he has been trying to avoid the ‘excesses’ in Western media.
David | September 3, 2014 at 10:14 AM |
@Pacha
What the West knows from the Iraq, Syria and a couple other countries is that an exit plan is important
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A la USA since Korea
Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesa
Krynica (Poland) (AFP) – European military assistance to Ukraine could lead to a nuclear conflict between Russia and NATO, according to Poland’s iconic cold warrior and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Lech Walesa.
“It could lead to a nuclear war,” the anti-Communist legend told reporters when asked whether the EU should send weapons to Ukraine to help it fights off separatist rebels and Russian aggression.
“The EU is well aware that Russia has nuclear weapons. NATO has them too. Must we then destroy each other?” said the former Solidarity trade union leader famous for negotiating a bloodless end to communism in Poland in 1989.
http://news.yahoo.com/arming-ukraine-could-lead-nuclear-war-lech-walesa-183453862.html
Does anyone recall that the Ukraine is a former member of the Soviet Union? There is obviously huge pro Russia sentiment at play and Western foreign policy must be sensitive to local issues.
Putin is a Hitler, if one listen to when he makes a statement, he want “Ukraine to be closer to Russia than the EU, any thing less than that he will eventually invade; and to make his blood boil all the other countries that were in the eastern block, want, & some has joined with the EU, that is getting his short little ass annoyed, so we will wait to see what happens. Pride cometh before a fall.
putin is the devil..shame on obama for taking his advice and not going into syria..now because of putins devilish stance americans heads are rolling up and down the internet…actions used by ISIS all putins friends
@ac
Where were you when ISIS was killing people all over the ME and NA? When your saintly Obama was funding and arming ISIS? Is American blood more sacred any anyone else’s. The Obama giveth and the Lord taketh away!
London Bridge Is Fallin’ Down
http://youtu.be/CEMbMk81fP8
@Pacha
The US koolaid is poisonous 🙂
the lying dog putin cannive the West.telling these jack asses that it was in their best interset (no in his best interest) not to go into Syria to bomb his best friends and get rid of assad and they all agreed with the liar …now america and the west is being humiliated as heads keep rolling to the ground..what a scamp
OSCE report says no Russians troops in Ukraine. Lies exposed. Rebels defeating government forces on most fronts. Putin suggests 7 point plan for the beligerents – Kiev and the SE areas
@ David
And it is getting more and more poisonous as the empire gets weaker and weaker, as weak as a spider’s web. The final collapse is upon us!
@ Pachamama | September 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM |
You must appreciate the collapse of Western economies and- by extension- societies will translate into the end of tenuous nation states like those that exist in the Caribbean; especially Barbados whose socio-economic system is inextricably bound up to North American trading systems.
Any major outbreak of war in Europe will automatically bring tourism in Barbados to an immediate halt. We are certain you wouldn’t wish for the Mighty Chalkdust prediction to come true.
Remember all Barbados got is sea water and sand (and a dying agricultural industry).
What would Obama and Cameron do if Putin makes a move to occupy Ukraine before winter sets in?
Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault
By John J. Mearsheimer
According to the prevailing wisdom in the West, the Ukraine crisis can be blamed almost entirely on Russian aggression. Russian President Vladimir Putin, the argument goes, annexed Crimea out of a long-standing desire to resuscitate the Soviet empire, and he may eventually go after the rest of Ukraine, as well as other countries in eastern Europe. In this view, the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych in February 2014 merely provided a pretext for Putin’s decision to order Russian forces to seize part of Ukraine.
But this account is wrong: the United States and its European allies share most of the responsibility for the crisis. The taproot of the trouble is NATO enlargement, the central element of a larger strategy to move Ukraine out of Russia’s orbit and integrate it into the West. At the same time, the EU’s expansion eastward and the West’s backing of the pro-democracy movement in Ukraine — beginning with the Orange Revolution in 2004 — were critical elements, too. Since the mid-1990s, Russian leaders have adamantly opposed NATO enlargement, and in recent years, they have made it clear that they would not stand by while their strategically important neighbor turned into a Western bastion. For Putin, the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president — which he rightly labeled a “coup” — was the final straw. He responded by taking Crimea, a peninsula he feared would host a NATO naval base, and working to destabilize Ukraine until it abandoned its efforts to join the West.
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault
What is the relationship dynamic between Putin and the European leaders who are part of the BRICS?
Warrior
them two chihuahuas would do absolutely nothing..both of them have already exposed their empty hands to IsIs and Putin..just wait and see putin is the chess king right now..
It is amazing that a national army could be bombing and shelling its own people for months. Near 3,000 dead, 1 million internally and externally displaced and not a word in their protection from the paragons of virtue and ‘democracy’ in the West. And that killing continues. We guess it’s not in empire’s interest to value the blood of these particular civilians. It does serve its interest but we are to shed tears for Foley and Sotloff as if they are more innocent that non combatants in eastern Ukraine. What a wicked system of things! These are ethnic Russians so no war crimes charges are likely. More so the criminals and they sycophants in the West, like Merkel, Cameron and Rasmussen are the perfect lackeys for the greatest evil in the world. If Russia was bombing and shelling civilians, day and night, for months the prostitutes for empire in the West would be singing a different tune.
@ Miller
There is nothing Obama could do. His fate is already sealed. He represents a failed president both in domestic and foreign policy. Arguably the worst of all times, all times. But Russia has no intention of doing no more that it has done already. They are hoping that those is the West who are begging others to let them continue to rule the world would get the message. If not, it would be a full Monty on all fronts starting with the collapse of the USD. They must understand that this is a red line to all Russians, at home and abroad, and learn to respect other people’s rights.
We are sorry, but our thinking is not constrained by what will happen in Barbados or the Caribbean, or not. When the collapse comes Barbados will find another colonial power whose petticoat is to be held. For this is the only way one could get certain mentalities to die ’bout dey. Maybe its high time for a new dispensation, ready or not, here it come. And not too soon, not too soon!
“Maybe its high time for a new dispensation, ready or not, here it come. And not too soon, not too soon!”
@Pachamama
Re. The Secret Government
Don’t know if you have heard of him before, but a former Canadian diplomat, prolific author and now retired Professor of English from the University of California, Peter Dale Scott, has written extensively and presented numerous speeches (check out the many videos in which he is featured on Youtube) on what he likes to refer to as “the deep state”. This is a hidden level of government that is actually in control of and sets the agenda for the nominal government of elected officialdom in any particular country. The main focus of his own research has been examining the hand of this deep state in US politics and foreign affairs.
The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld
Updated March 13, 2014.
By Peter Dale Scott
In the last decade it has become more and more obvious that we have in America today what the journalists Dana Priest and William Arkin have called
two governments: the one its citizens were familiar with, operated more or less in the open: the other a parallel top secret government whose parts had mushroomed in less than a decade into a gigantic, sprawling universe of its own, visible to only a carefully vetted cadre – and its entirety…visible only to God.1
And in 2013, particularly after the military return to power in Egypt, more and more authors referred to this second level as America’s “deep state.”2 Here for example is the Republican analyst Mike Lofgren:
At the end of 2013 a New York Times Op-Ed noted this trend, and even offered a definition of the term that will work for the purposes of this essay:
DEEP STATE n. A hard-to-perceive level of government or super-control that exists regardless of elections and that may thwart popular movements or radical change. Some have said that Egypt is being manipulated by its deep state.4
The political activities of the deep state are the chief source and milieu of what I have elsewhere called “deep politics:” “all those political practices and arrangements, deliberate or not, which are usually repressed rather than acknowledged.”5
Others, like Tom Hayden, call the deep state a “state within the state,” and suggest it may be responsible for the failure of the Obama administration to follow the policy guidelines of the president’s speeches:
http://www.japanfocus.org/-Peter_Dale-Scott/4090
@ Greenie
Yes, we are very familar with his work. Indeed, it is at the level of the ‘deep state’ or the hidden government where the real causation of the Ukrainian crisis lies. Most of what is being discussed in the public space are merely symptoms of the real fights going within the ‘deep state’. We said ealier that Putin was refusing to follow certain orders from the leaders of a deep global state and they are responding with war.
I see no connection between Putin and Hitler and those who compare the two haven’t a good grasp of history. Hitler, preached a violent ideology predicated upon White supremacy, whereas Putin wants to show the West that he can flex his muscle despite its opposition.
Putin, is like a juvenile delinquent who engages in self- defeating -behavior, until the full force of the penal- system makes itself known in a real way.
Liar in a Tan Suit: Obama’s Distortions from Ukraine to Iraq
On August 28th, president Obama delivered remarks in the White House press room. That is hardly newsworthy but on that day the president wore a tan suit, not the usual presidential dark blue uniform. This simple fashion choice exposed many things that are wrong with America, from shallow media reporting to popular obsession with trivialities. The substance of the president’s statements was lost in the repetition of nonsense and silly jokes. That is unfortunate because the president used this occasion to tell terribly dangerous lies about this country and the rest of the world.
The primary motivation for the press conference was to repeat the Obama doctrine of enacting regime change against sovereign nations and violating the right of human beings to live without fear of death from the American empire. The president called ISIL “a cancer” not once but twice during the briefing. Of course he neglected to mention that ISIL is the Frankenstein monster created by the United States and NATO interventions which always includes supporting jihadists who inevitably end up turning on their sponsors.
The man who bombed Libya into ruin had the gall to condemn Syrian president Assad for “killing tens of thousands of people.” Assad has the right to protect his country from western intervention and the resulting death toll and massive displacement of people can be laid at the halls of power in Washington, London and Paris. Assad’s ability to withstand the assault has made the West nervous and caused the NATO leadership to begin making desperate and foolish decisions. One of the worst was provoking a coup against the elected leadership of Ukraine and turning it into a western vassal state on Russia’s border.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/war-terrorism/liar-tan-suit-obamas-distortions-ukraine-iraq/
@ Pacha
Bushie knows that you do not subscribe to this line of thinking…
…..but it must be very clear now that a certain ancient reference to a massive iron statue with “feet of clay” has an uncanny resemblance to the most powerful military entity ever assembled, but which we all know, sits on top of a financial base that is as tenuous and slippery as wet clay….
The US currency exists and has its value ONLY to the extent that the world continues to agree on its questionable use as THE global trading currency.
Many powerful voices and countries that questioned this paradigm have become “terrorists” and been bombed into the dark ages….
It seems that Russia….and Putin in particular…has been around too long, and grown to assertive, to be dismissed by this tried and tested tactic…
Perhaps BRICS will be the stone that crushes the feet of that statue after all…..
….wait…..isn’t a BRIC a sort of a stone…LOL Ha Ha Ha
@ Bushie
Times there are a changing. One day coming soon we will go to bed and wake up next morning to a new world.
Presidential Obama supports the Ukraine Neo-Nazi’s that hate the blacks
Peter Haisenko was a pilot for Lufthansa for 30 years. In the article below he explains his conclusion that the Malaysian airliner downed in Ukraine was hit first by an air-to-air missile from a Ukrainian fighter jet and then by machine gun fire. As Ukrainian air control has refused to release its communications with the airliner and Washington refuses to release its satellite photos, we have to form a judgment based on experience and available evidence. This judgment is superior to unsupported propagandistic claims. The withholding of pertinent information suggests that Washington and/or Kiev are responsible for the downed airliner. – Paul Craig Roberts
The Evidence: MH 017 by Peter Haisenko
The West has control of the investigation and apparently has decided not to investigate. However, we do have two critical pieces of information. One is the report of the Canadian representative of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) that reports bullet holes in the cockpit section of the airliner. Photos are available that clearly show bullet holes in the pattern of machine gun fire on both sides of the airliner’s cockpit. The other piece of information comes from a report in the Malaysian newspaper New Straits Times that intelligence analysts have concluded that one of the airliner’s engines was hit by a heat-seeking air-to-air missile. We know that there were Ukrainian jets armed with such weapons close to the airliner at the time that it crashed.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/09/04/25636/
@ Greenie
Parties have all agreed to keep the results of the ‘investigation’ secret. You see the collusion.
Obama takes the cake
Putin must agree to stop meddling in internal Ukrainian affairs says world’s #1 champion meddler in other nations affairs. ROFLMAO
Obama Issues Demands Over Ukraine Ceasefire Deal
Ukraine’s government and rebels are said to be close to finalizing a Russian-brokered ceasefire pact to end the ongoing eastern war, but President Obama is downplaying the chances of the pact taking place, and issuing demands of his own.
Obama insisted no deal was possible unless Russia “stopped pretending” that it isn’t in control of the rebels, and agreed to “stop meddling” in internal Ukrainian affairs.
This is a demand intended to prevent the deal from happening. But Putin and quite possibly Poroshenko will tell Obama rightly that it is none of his business anyway!
http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/349936
@ Bushie
The Russians today have announced that should the big lie by Barroso’s stand that they will take the unusual step to release the whole conversation.
America’s vassal in the EU, Barroso, had sad that Putin had issued a military threat. A BIG LIE.
Bushie man we’ll have to ask you to beg your second man to let his Kingdom come. These liars are too great for us to handle boosie. LOL
@ Pachamama | September 4, 2014 at 7:53 AM |
“One day coming soon we will go to bed and wake up next morning to a new world.”
Yes indeed a world controlled by the yellow man. Certainly not the Russians with their last gasp of empire recovery. Russia has a serious demographic time bomb ready to implode.
As Lobsang Rampa predicted the future belongs to the yellow man and the brown man. It certainly doesn’t belong not the white man or the black man.
Dompey | September 3, 2014 at 11:08 PM |
………………………. whereas Putin wants to show the West that he can flex his muscle despite its opposition.
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And wasn’t Hitlers Blitz Krieg not all about that?
@ Colonel Buggy | September 4, 2014 at 4:20 PM
I don’t think Dompey knows what you are talking about.
He is just a puerile innocent where matters of such historical significance are concerned. He probably thinks that Kristallnacht is the name of a concert put on by pop stars.
Well well, Poroshenko with his recent war rechtoric was all windo dressing for the NATO summit. He’s now promising to start implementing a ceasefire as a condition for talks with the rebels. What a waste!
The NATO summit has merely consecrated of the defeat of Obama and his European vassals. The Ukrainian military has been dessimated and Kiev is suing for peace, at last.
The 50,000 member Ukrainian army has been destroyed by 15,000 rebels. Except for Mariupol in the south the Ukrainians and NATO are dead. Now the rebels are seeking war reparations for the destruction of the industrial heartland of what was once eastern Ukraine. This is a spectacular military defeat not unlike the Russian/Cuban backed military victory at Quito Carnavale. That victory led to the demise of South African Apartheid. This one is the beginning of the end for American empire!
@ Pachamama
We know you hate the United States. You’re not secretive about it either. Surely there is a reason (s). Please, would you please tell us about it. Are you somehow related to Victor Bourne and or Andrew J. Watts. Both you know were convicted and sentenced to prison “in the United States” and both are from Barbados.
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2014/January/Oil-Boom-North-Dakota-Sees-Black-Gold-Rush/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jameshenry/2013/12/18/postcard-from-barbados-a-k-a-cyprus-west-part-i-the-cure/
@ Pachamama
The United States has its problems, not as healthy as it could be or has been but unlike Barbabos, It (United States) has natural resources, not terminally ill and not on its knees, but you live there (Barbados), likely because you have no choice. North Dakota, Pachamama did you know is just flooded with oil. It no longer needs oil from Venezuala or the Middle East oil. Russia is desperate for money and its side kick China is desperate for oil, likewise Venezuela because the United States no longer needs Venezuela. Russia isn’t hurting the United States by protecting Edward Snowden but the United States is surely hurting Russia with sanctions.
Pachamama doesn’t live in Bim. Are you kidding?
Smiley face, smiley face. Exlclamation, exclamation, exclamation.
@Look
And pray tell us how much of the US oil comes from Canada? If we closed the pipelines, where would the US be? Shut up woman and go cuddle with my cast-off French Canadian. steupse.
COLD WAR Part 2.
From BAOR, British Army of the Rhine to BAOD – British Army on the Danube
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11077237/Britain-to-send-3500-troops-to-Eastern-Europe.html
LOL @ Pat
Look, LOOK….
The real problem that the USA face is not about oil…..(not that this isn’t an issue,) but the problem of your (and our de facto) dollar’s relevance -and hence its VALUE, THIS is a CRITICAL one.
Problem number one is that yours has become a completely FALSE economy. One where the value of your currency is based NOT ON real assets or real productivity, but largely on the (growingly reluctant) world having been forced to agree to it being the standard international currency for international business…especially oil.
This is why wunna could print um as wunna like…
Many powerful forces have questioned this in the past…and mostly ended up as dead “terrorists”
However it looks like Putin and BRICS may be too big to fail…
Also…
Many that claim to hate the USA are simply disappointed and fed up with the hypocrisy reflected in the gulf between the constitutional ideals and the realty on the ground…..or should that be “the shit in the trenches”…?
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/conflicting-views-on-barbados-tourism-concessions/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/13/us-oil-production-exceeds-imports/3518245/
@ Pat
Watch your mouth. Put a sock in it.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/many-left-behind-silicon-valley-rebounds
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/heres-why-the-auto-industry-is-making-a-fully-recovery-in-the-u-s.html/?a=viewall
@ Bushtea
The United States in previous years took a hard hit from the recession as did so many other countries. The United States though Bushtea has almost fully recovered. Barbados in previous years has been hit quite hard and still hit. Bush Tea, watch your mouth. Put a sock in it.
Backbiters
@david
It is clear that America and the west did not understand the monster they were creating in the middle east. prior to 2001 that region was a relatively peaceful place with dictators keeping the various tribes under control. Low and behold, usa and its nato puppy decided that they must invade the region and have installed leaders who accept the western values. Was the Europeans fooled or were they taken for a ride. They now have to return to the middle east to counter the isis threat. if they had an exit strategy why now do they have to return. It must be recognized no amount of superior weapons can change and ideology. Israel has superior military technology and it has not been able to rid hamas of its thinking. An ideology is a belief, just like the Europeans believe that they were to colonise the heathen world and enslave them and exploit them, Putin believes that nato at its door step is a danger to its geo influence and he will ensure that its doesn’t achieve its objectives.
This world is a funny place, clearly if nato had a proper exit strategy for the middle east, it would have no have had to return. Clearly it did not control the minds of those persons who are now forcing they return. When nato and America leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will return and this will demonstrate that it had a failed strategy.
@overseasbajanyankee
Nothing to disagree in your comment.