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"Historical Palestine was peopled by indigenous Palestinians."
“Historical Palestine was peopled by indigenous Palestinians.”

The Zionist regime in Palestine only started to emerge after the 1880’s (AD). And despite the lies told by the Christian Bible, there was never a geographical location anywhere on earth called Israel, never! During the 1890’s the discourse for a Jewish nation state continued to receive popular support in public narratives. After World War One that discourse, with the help of the allied powers, had reached its ascendancy. We then had the Balfour Declaration (1917), the secret Franco-Anglo-Russo, Sykes-Pico Agreement (1916) as the relative winners of WW1 had displaced the Ottoman Empire and now had designs, largely for the petroleum resources, on Western Asia now known as the Middle East and North Africa regions. So the proposed state of Israel was seen as a beachhead for Western oil and capitalist interests.

So Israel, in Western eyes, was merely a cat’s paw for imperialism. Of course, it helped to have this project marketed within the invisibility of biblical writings even when most of its founders were staunchly atheist. Even today, most so-called Jewish people are non-religious. This Zionist project for occupation continued with the Nakba of 1948, the 1967 war, the 1973 war and a series of interventions since. Within the last five years there have been three separate and distinct large-scale slaughters of the Palestinians by the marauding Zionist regime.

Any talk, by anyone, that there was some historic place known as Israel is patently false! Any suggested that some god somewhere in the shy is some real estate agent with an ability to bestow one peoples’ land to another is the type of propaganda that Goebbels would envy – the bible. This propaganda of biblical proportions was deftly deployed by the Rothschild in setting up the colonial, fictitious, settler entity, of an apartheid state which now calls itself Israel.

And the histories of this period are clear. Historical Palestine was peopled by indigenous Palestinians. Yes, there were small numbers of Jewish people living there like there are small numbers living in all Arab countries still. So this notion that some god could give somebody a right to commit genocide against the Palestinians to supposedly occupy a land without a people by a people who never had a land is a monstrous untruth. And this Christian god has to be told this! And decent Jews are well aware of this. The Neturei Karta, a Jewish sect which is fundamentally opposed to the establishment of a Jewish state teaches that the Judaic tradition, properly interpreted, relies on the return of a ‘messiah’ as a condition precedent to the setting up of god’s kingdom on earth.

The dispensationalists, warmongering Christians, especially in the USA, but with their Black lackeys, sheeple, in the Caribbean and Africa, are trying their utmost to create the conditions for a nuclear holocaust that will hasten the arrival of their Jesus. In their machinations millions of Jews and others will die but for them no price is too high to make Jesus return when they want him to. In all this madness somehow the Jews are to forget their religion and become Christians. This is like asking a son to be the father of his father. What madness! In their minds there is to be a mad rush for conversion if they want to ‘be caught up’, in this madness. So these  Christian dogs of war, in the West, are the god of their own god. And these are the conditions which these rabid, rancid, evangelical, criminals Christians are creating. Not only in Palestine but in the wider Middle East. What foolishness!

These forces are conspiring to breakup all the nation states in the Middle East so that the Zionist regime will have no challengers. Divide and rule. We are saying that the invasions resulting from the September 11, 2001 false flag or national security event , the prior plans to invade a number of ME countries and the current Western sponsored Takfari terrorist-imposed civil wars are all connected to the Western ‘christian crusade’ to force the return of Jesus. To these criminal Christians it matters not that 30% percent of Palestinians are themselves Christians. It matter not, that for every Israeli killed by the crude missile technology of the resistance groups, hundreds of Palestinian women, children and elderly have died in this latest onslaught on the world’s largest open air prison (Gaza). Gaza an enclave under a brutal Zionist occupation. A population which is to have no means whatsoever of self defense. Whose children routinely, are made to starve by these Zionists. Whose harbours can never be opened to trade. Whose electrical generation plants can never provide electricity for more than a few hours daily. Whose sewer systems have been bombed by Israel repeatedly. Whose scarce water resources are stolen by Israel or made not potable. And these are the people Christian are still telling lies about them being the chosen people of a god. Is this a people anyone should trust to write a sacred book. Maybe, just maybe, Adolf Hitler knew something that we are yet to learn. The Zionist, in the name of world Jewry are doing the same kinds of things to the Palestinians that Hitler did to European Jews and others.

And we have Obama who pretends to challenge Netanyahu but this is a mere trick. The same Braggart Obama you boosted about giving the regime in Tel Aviv all types of illegal weapons, including DIME, to use on civilian populations. These are war crimes. Israel has been the most lawless entity this world has ever seen. We call for its total destruction by any means necessary. But to cut off the head of this serpent we have to first kill the support mechanisms. For in the end it is an artificially constructed entity which could not last a week without Western support. Some have tried with South African Apartheid era BDS (boycott divestment and sanctions) initiatives but Israel is worst than  South Africa, by far. South Africa never bombed its bantustands, repeatedly, with the latest military hardware, supplied by the United States, over 65 years.

And it takes little to influence Netanyahu or any other Israeli PM to slaughter Palestinians in their numbers. This time Netanyahu was ready to use the excuse that 3 Zionist settlers were killed by Hamas. Despite the repeated denials from Hamas, the West Bank was invaded by larger numbers of soldiers seeking revenge. Western media were as usual sympathetic to the Zionist narrative. But when these same soldiers killed a young Palestinian boy and were captured on film beating others nearly to death there was not even a mention. While all along the West knew that Netanyahu’s motivation was the political unity as recently agreed to by Fatah and Hamas. A political unity that was accepted by the EU and the Americans themselves. Peace is the most dangerous thing for the Zionist, war gives them meaning.

This Zionist project has led the world to a heightened and prolonged state of war and unless we can find a way out of this calculus nuclear weapons will be used to settle scores. The Zionist already have hundreds of illegal nuclear weapons and are unlike to hesitate to use them. But their Christians supports are undaunted by this spectre. It can’t be that we are to wait on some intervention from the sky or to rest on magical thinking. Has this ever helped us before, verifiably?  Already we have become more and more used to, tolerating, the use of battlefield nuclear bombs in conventional warfare.


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289 responses to “Palestine, Oh Palestine!”


  1. @David

    David, you’re beginning to sound more like the Racist Republicans and Tea Party members, who continue to blame President Obama for the world’s as well as America’s problems. How do you expect the man to do anything, when you have a group of haters scrutinizing every moved he makes? If he does well there interpret it as evil and bad for the country. So get your facts straight before you start to adopt the same accusatory attitude as the haters, who do not want to see a Black make it. I do agree that Mr. Obama has made some very costly mistakes, but for the most part, I believe that he intended to do well. And David, if you think that Mr. Obama can save the entire world; you’re obviously off your rockers brother. Name any president in America’s history who hasn’t had an array of problems to deal with, both domestic and internationally during his tenure? Also bear in mind that you can only work with people who intend to work with you David. Listen! I am not given Mr. Obama a free pass because I believe that he has done great harm to the social and moral fabric of this country, by putting his stamped on Gay Marriage among another issues, but on the other hand, he has also done great good in other areas as well.


  2. David, it saddens me to see how some intelligent people have this unrealizable expectation of Mr. Obama. It is because he black that you believe he can cure the world’s ills? David, you haven’t given Mr. Obama any room for failure in the above mentioned endeavors. Yes, Mr. Obama has made the above promises, but evidence not points to the fact that there are those who refused to work with Mr. Obama because of who he is. Haven’t you taking that into consideration David, or should we assume that it slipped your grasp?


  3. anyhow GP what is that to do with the jews rejection of JESUS,,,,,and the prophesies which foretold the events and occurrences in the old testament,,,,of the first coming…… furthermore the prophesies which you cite, is revealing that it is one on which the christain religious teachings hang on to as to be in agreement with the torah in their quest to indoctrinate jews to christanity,,,,,,really the jews have already out played and outsmarted christains ..using them as to become friends of the jews when necessary , while agreeing in principal to prophesies that stand side by side with christain teachings and torah that would be to their benefit however able to distant themselves from christain beliefs and interpretation of laws and prophesies that would make them become friends of jesus,,

  4. GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar

    here is a listing of the events shown in the Bible which will occur during the “end times”. Even among those who hold a pre-millenial view of the end times, there are differences about the order of these events, but almost all think of these events as occurring during the end times. This might help us to better integrate and correlate the scriptures from all over the Bible to better be able to address the role of Israel, the Church, and the Nations with regard to the End Times

    EVENTS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD
    1. The Church raptured: John 14:1-3, 1 Cor. 15:51,52; 1 Thess. 4:16-18; Rev.3:10.
    2. The Restrainer removed: 2 Thess. 2:7.
    3. The Judgment Seat of Christ (in heaven): 1 Cor. 3:12-15; 2 Cor. 5:10.
    We can associate these three events with the RAPTURE.

    1. The anti-Christ rises to power over the Roman confederacy: Dan. 7:20, 24.
      EVENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD
    2. The anti Christ (the coming “ruler”) makes a covenant with Israel: Dan. 9:26,27.

    EVENTS IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD
    1. Israel living in peace in the land: Ezek. 38:8.

    1. Temple sacrifices re-instituted: Rev. 11:1,2.
    2. World church dominates religion and the anti-Christ: Rev. 17.
      EVENTS JUST BEFORE THE MIDDLE OF THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD

    3. Gog and his allies invade Palestine from the north: Eze. 38:2-6,22

    4. Gog and his allies destroyed by God: Eze. 38:17-23.
      We can associate all of these last seven listed events with the REVELATION OF ANTICHRIST

    EVENTS AT THE MIDDLE OF THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD
    1. Satan cast down from heaven and energizes the anti-Christ: Rev. 12:12-17.

    1. The anti-Christ breaks his covenant with Israel, causing her sacrifices to cease: Dan. 9:27.
  5. The ten kings under the anti-Christ destroy the world church: Rev. 17:16-18.

  6. The 144,000 Israelites saved and sealed: Rev. 7:1-8.
    EVENTS OF THE SECOND HALF OF THE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD

  7. These 3 1/2 years are called “the great tribulation (Rev. 7:14), “great distress” (Matt. 24:21); “time of distress” (Dan. 12:1), and a “time of trouble for Jacob” (Jer. 30:7).
    1. Rebellion (apostasy) against the truth in the professing church: Matt. 24:12; 2 Thess. 2:3.

    1. the anti-Christ becomes a world ruler (first seal, Rev. 6:1,2), with support of the Western confederacy: Rev. 13:5-7; 17:12,13.
  8. The anti-Christ is revealed as “the man of lawlessness” or “the lawless one”: 2 Thess. 2:3,8,9.

  9. War, famine, and death (2nd, 3rd, and 4th seals): Rev. 6:3-8.

  10. Converted multitudes from every nation are martyred (5th seal): Rev. 6:9-11; 7:9-14; Matt. 24:9.

  11. Natural disturbances and worldwide fear of divine wrath (6th seal): Rev. 6:12-17.

  12. The anti-Christ’s image (an “abomination”) is set up for worship: Dan. 9:27; Matt. 24:15; 2 Thess. 2:4; Rev. 13:14,15.

  13. Two witnesses begin their ministry: Rev. 11:3.

  14. The false prophet promotes the anti-Christ, who is worshipped by nations and unbelieving Israel: Matt. 24:11,12; 2 Thess. 2:11; Rev. 13:14,11-15.

  15. The mark of the Beast is used to promote worship of the anti-Christ: Rev. 13:16-18.

  16. Israel scattered because of the anger of Satan (Rev. 12:6, 13-17) and because of the “abomination” (the anti-Christ’s image) in the temple (Matt. 24:15-26).

  17. Jerusalem overrun by Gentiles: Luke 21:24; Rev. 11:2.

  18. The anti-Christ and false prophets deceive many people: Matt. 24:11; 2 Thess. 2:9-11.

  19. The gospel of the Kingdom is proclaimed: Matt. 24:14.

  20. Israel persecuted by the anti-Christ: Jer. 30:5-7; Dan. 12:1; Zech. 13:8; Matt. 24:21,22.

  21. Trumpet judgments (Rev. 8 and 9) and bowl judgments (Rev. 16) are poured out by God on the anti-Christ’s empire.

  22. Blasphemy increases as the judgments intensify: Rev. 16:8-11.
    EVENTS CONCLUDING THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD

  23. Two witnesses slain by the anti-Christ: Rev. 11:7.

  24. Two witnesses resurrected: Rev. 11:11,12.

  25. The king of the South and the king of the North fight against the anti-Christ: Dan. 11:40.

  26. The anti-Christ enters Palestine and defeats Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia: Dan. 11:40-43.

  27. Armies from the East and the North move toward Palestine: Dan. 11:44; Rev. 16:12.

  28. Jerusalem is ravaged: Zech. 14:1-4.

  29. Commercial Babylon is destroyed: Rev. 16:19; 18:1-3, 21-24.

  30. Signs appear in the earth and sky: Isa. 13:10; Joel 2:10,30,31; 3:15; Matt. 24:29.

  31. Christ returns with the armies of Heaven: Matt. 24:27-31; Rev. 19:11-16.

  32. Jews flee Jerusalem, facilitated by topographical changes: Zech. 14:5.

  33. Armies unite at Armageddon against Christ and the armies of Heaven: Joel 3:9-11; Rev. 16;16; 19:17-19.

  34. Armies are destroyed by Christ: Rev. 19:19,21.

  35. The “beast” (anti-Christ) and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire: Rev. 19:20.
    The above events above constitute the occurrences in the RIGORS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION, and the battle of Armageddon.

  36. EVENTS FOLLOWING THE SEVEN-YEAR PERIOD
    1. Final regathering of Israel: Isa. 11:11,12; Jer. 30:3; Eze. 36:24; 37:1-14; Amos 9:14,15; Micah 4:6,7; Matt. 24:31.

    1. A remnant of Israelies turn to the Lord and are forgiven and cleansed: Hosea 14:1-5; Zech. 12:10; 13:1.
  37. National deliverance of Israel from the anti-Christ: Dan. 12:1; Zech. 12:10; 13:1; Rom. 11:26,27.

  38. These last events are associated with the millennial period.


  • David | July 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM |
    How can anyone shoot down a plane with civilian passengers?
    ……………………………………………………………………………..
    For what little its worth, this incident might not have been intentional,but the result of having trigger happy , poorly train “soldiers” manning sophisticated equipment.


  • look GP no i am not disputing what is written by the prophets just the timing and events which were to have occurred contrasting to the first coming of CHRIST,,which remains in dispute and disagreement with the jewish beliefs and teaching of the messiah,,,,My other point being that the JEWS have every right to accept or totally reject based on what the prophets had said,,,, also an other point of interest and one which the torah indicates ,,that if jesus was indeed the messiah a need for a second coming would not be necessary as those prophesies would have been fulfilled during his lifespan……look the basis of prophesies is a fulfillment of all events surrounding a person at a specified time and place ,,and one can easily argue that if none or only a few of those occurrence happen as were prophesied one can conclude from a logical standpoint that jesus was not the messiah …..and maybe the jews was right in their conclusion.


  • @ David
    MH17: recording shows Russian colonel and rebels ‘discussing disaster’ – video
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/18/mh17-recording-russian-colonel-rebels-discuss-disaster-video


  • It is not God intervening in events creating alleged matches with prophecies,
    it is Israelis oppressing Palestinians
    Gods intervention will be a punishment wiping out many
    Current Israeli Ops is no prophecy positive reading


  • @Exclaimer

    How did the Ukrainians get their hands on this recording?


  • How US and Blair plotted ‘ceasefire’ scam

    We now have confirmation from the Israeli daily Haaretz of what we should have suspected: that the idea for the so-called Egyptian “ceasefire proposal” was actually hatched in Washington, the messenger boy was arch-war criminal Tony Blair, and the terms were drafted by Israel.

    The intention was either to corner Hamas into surrendering – and thereby keep the savage blockade of Gaza in place – or force Hamas to reject the proposal and confirm the Israeli narrative that it is a terrorist organisation with which Israel cannot make peace.

    snip

    It’s depressingly predictable that the corporate media have swallowed the line of Israel accepting the “ceasefire proposal” and Hamas rejecting it. What Hamas did was reject a US-Israeli diktat to sign away the rights of the people of Gaza to end a siege that cuts them off from the rest of the world.

    But there is a long pedigree to such deceptions. It is reminiscent of a hasbara favourite: that the Jews accepted the UN partition plan of 1947 while the Palestinians rejected it. The reality – then, as now – is that the colonial powers sought to strip the Palestinians of their rights and their homeland without even consulting them.

    http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/43274-us-and-blair.html


  • HAMAS, does NOT give a dam about Civilians, children, mothers, etc., being used as human shields, to protect their Military arsenal, that’s expressly WHY they instruct that “INNOCENT CIVILIAN” or ‘INNOCENT CITIZEN’ be descriptively USED, and the Western Media’s one-sided reporting, including BBC have the FACTS all twisted and maligned, making Israel once again look and appear heartless; when HAMAS, continues they vicious launching of Rockets INTO Innocent Israeli Civilian population regions.

    WND’s Bob Unruh exclusively reports (based on a MEMRI monitoring report):
    . . . officials in the interior ministry for Hamas, one of the Middle East organizations designated by the United States as a terror group [–> and which in Clause 7 of its covenant cites with approval and commitment a Hadith that speaks of an end of days mass slaughter of Jews, the notorious Gharqad Tree Hadith], apparently has another slogan: propagandize all the time.

    “Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to add ‘innocent civilian’ or ‘innocent citizen’ in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza,” the group dictated in an advisory to social media activists, bloggers and others who may write about the issue.

    And the group said when Palestinians are conversing with Westerners, they should “avoid entering into a political argument … aimed at convincing him that the Holocaust is a lie and deceit; instead, equate it with Israel’s crimes against Palestinian civilians.”

    It was the Middle East Media Research Institute that located the guidelines “to Gaza Strip social media users for reporting events and discussing them with outsiders.”


  • boy i am praying for that day when that land becomes uninhabitable..and the signs are already there .the constant bombardment of sophisticated military hardware design for mass destruction of people and structural damage..would sooner rather than later wrecked havoc on the enviroment rendering it defenseless and unequipped to survive….and in the wake making it impossible for any form of organism to inhabite the land..glory…hallejuah…


  • Exposing The Lie On Israel’s Fake History – ‘The Cruellest Hoax’

  • Innocent Children Paying The Terrible Price Of War Avatar
    Innocent Children Paying The Terrible Price Of War

    Zoe and GP are Christian Jewish Religious Frauds
    Bitches claiming that Palestinian Children are used as Human shields
    What did Jesus teach us about Children and Aliens
    Israel are New Racists Nazis hated by All as prophesied
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/18/israel-gaza-conflict-innocent-children-paying-terrible-price-war-pictures_n_5598867.html


  • couldn,t careless anoit the politics of religious dogma and socio economic political interferance.what is most at stake now is the intolerable and unbearable..unforgivable reign of terror that is destroying innocent lives..what kind of people have we become having zero tolerance for human lives but can condone and uphold such evilness.in the name of God and selfrighteouness..unbelievable


  • Palestinian Life
    Palestinians wish they were dead


  • Georgie Porgie

    As I have stated yesterday; I think many would agree that Israel has the right to defend itself from Hummus rockets. But the actions Israel has taken against Hummus thus far, amounted to nothing more than a young dysfunction kid in the inner- cities of America, firing his illegal weapon into a crowd of people at his intended target, but end up striking an innocent child. I know the world expect more from Israel, but it seems as though the world, the Western world that is, remains silent on this issue, while Israel continues to kill innocent Palestine children. Now if Israel is supposed to be this forward thinking and well established civilization. Why does Israel think that it is okay to bombed innocent women and children without a universal condemnation? Now whether rightfully interpreted or wrongfully conceived, there is a collective belief by the Western nations that hummus is this terrorist organization bent on destroying Israel, but Israel ought to have no better given its position in the world and its historicity. Hummus, on the other hand, has been labeled by the West as this backward terrorist organization, which propagates this violent ideology through the Middle East. And whether this is true or not, the evidence falls short of supporting this hypothesis projected by Western power that supports Israel right to exist. I see a people trying its best to defend against a foe with what little weaponry it has at it disposal, against this well-oiled sophisticated military machine supported by this West. Listen! Most military strategist would agree: that a ground invasion which methodically, targets specific areas within Palestine to rooted out Hummus, would have been the best option if Israel cared anything about the unforeseeable – consequences and collateral – damage this conflict has exacted on the Palestine people thus far. And finally, this idea regarding unforeseeable- consequences for the better – good, is just one more rhetorical ploys by Israel to help further its self-serving – agenda. Now, I am not afraid to state unequivocally and categorically, that Israel action against the Palestine people thus far is atrocious, despicable and egregious, but it has failed to evoked the world’s condemnation. Israel, response to the killings of the three Jewish teenagers by suspected Hummus terrorist, is unacceptable and ought to be repudiated, but yet, President Obama and the entire Western world remain silent on this issue.

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar

    dompey
    the score in the test match at Lords, england vs India is
    India 295
    England 142/4 (57.0 ov)
    England trail by 153 runs with 6 wickets remaining in the 1st innings

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar

    we know from our reading of Romans 9-11, that God is NOT through with Israel as a nation as many suppose and that currently Israel is undergoing persecution in accordance to God’s predictions given via Moses in Deut 31:29. They are suffering because of their unbelief, disobedience and spiritual apostasy as they forsook God and finally rejected their true King, Jesus when he presented Himself to them as recorded in the Gospels.

    Some object to the teaching that the Jews as a nation will inherit great spiritual and material Pressing in the millennial age deserves our attention. The words of the Lord Jesus as recorded in Matthew 21:43 are often misunderstood.

    Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it.-

    Many believe this text is an affirmation that the kingdom will be taken from the Jews and given as a permanent possession to another nation. If Jesus meant this, however, He would have contradicted many of the plain declarations of the Old Testament, and would make erroneous the assertion of Paul in Romans 11:25. Paul definitely affirms that the nation of Israel will once again return to the center of God’s program at the close of the present age. Therefore it is well to take note of the fact that Jesus here used a term not often found in Matthew. He spoke of the “kingdom c God,” the sphere of genuine possession, in contrast to the usual “kingdom of heaven,” the sphere of profession. Jesus told these unbelieving scribes and Pharisees that because they rejected Him they would not be saved, and that instead the Gospel would go to a nation that would bring forth the fruits of salvation. The Church of the present age is that nation. Speaking of the Church, in a context where he quoted from Psalm 118:22, 23, even as Jesus did on this occasion, Peter declared, “ But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a people of his own , that ye should show forth the praises of him who bath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light (I Peter 2:9).

    The reference to another nation is not, therefore, an indication that some earthly nation other than Israel shall not inherit the physical blessing promised to the seed of Abraham through Isaac.

    It is also well to recognize that the Lord was speaking to the chief priests and elders, the civil and religious leader, of that time who were determined to destroy Him. The people on the previous day had actually acclaimed Him as the “Son of David” (Matthew 21:45, 46), so that He was not addressing the people in general, but the leaders who were so intent upon His destruction. The chief priests and Pharisees knew that Jesus was speaking of them, not of the nation as a whole, because we are told in Matthew 21:45, “And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard Ms parables, they perceived that he spoke of them.” Though these particular Jewish leaders were thus excluded from the kingdom of God, individual Jews can still be saved today if they trust Christ as Savior. And then we know that Israel as a nation will also still realize the blessings God has promised. Even as only a renewed people today enter the kingdom of God in the Church, so in the millennial age, the Jewish nation to whom the kingdom will be given will be a new nation spiritually, though it will also still be the same nation historically which came down through Abraham, term Isaac, Jacob and his sons.

    The Jews living upon earth today are the people to whom God has made many great and glorious. They will someday turn to God, inherit all the blessings that God has promised, and be revered among the nations.

    In addition, on the basis of the pronouncements in both the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants we know that God has much in store still for everlasting because of the unconditional nature of these covenants. For example God promised that He would grant the land of Canaan as an everlasting possession to Israel, and also that he will give unto Jesus the throne of His Father David, which the angel promised to Mary’s virgin born Son thus: . . . . and the Lord God shall give onto Him the throne of his father David And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end (Luke 1:32, 33)..
    The earthly throne of David will not be abolished, but will merge into the eternal throne in the new earth. There is good reason to believe that David will, under the supervising mediatorial kingship of Jesus Christ, rule over during the millennium ( Isaiah 55:3, 4; Jeremiah 30:9; 3 17, 20, 21; Ezekiel 34:23, 24; 37:24, 25; Hosea 3:5; Amos 9:11). On the new earth Israel will still be distinct, have her own king – perhaps David.
    The Lord Jesus Christ will leave His throne as the mediatorial King to take His place on the one eternal throne, throne of God and the Lamb” (Revelation 22:3), thus bringing the mediatorial Kingdom to an end as it leads into the eternal kingdom of God in the new heaven and the earth. He will continue to exercise His regal authority, but will do so as the eternal Son with the Father in the unity of the Godhead. It is because the prophets saw the earthly kingdom as a prelude to the eternal kingdom of God that they spoke of it as eternal, and sometimes, as in Isaiah 65:17, they viewed the new heavens and new earth in close connection with the millennial kingdom on this present earth.

    As long as this earth stands in its present form, Israel holds the divine title deed to the entire land of Canaan. In that sense it is forever. This use of the word “forever is illustrated by the slave who requested that his ear be bored as a token of his desire to continue as the servant of a beloved master, and thereby indicated that be would serve him forever” (Exodus 21:6). He did not mean that the master-slave, relationship would be continued on the other side of dleath. Forever in this case meant as long as both of them lived. Thus, the land of Canaan belongs to the Jews through all time as an earthly possession, and in eternity will still be theirs on the new earth, though transfigured and much enlarged.

    According to the terms of the Davidic covenant recorded in 2 Samuel 7:12-16, David was assured that God would never take the kingship of Israel from his family as He had done in he case of Saul , and that David’s house, his throne and his kingdom will endure forever. These promises are restated and confirmed in later Scriptures although there has been no rightful king of David’s line since Jehoiachin. A proper understanding of the promises made to David in the Bible indicates that God did not say that that David’s descendants would reign upon the throne without a break. In fact God specifically warned David that when his heirs to the throne disobeyed Him they would be chastised . This part of the prophecy was fulfilled when the Babylonians conquered Judah in 586 BC. Although the nation has had to suffer a time during which there has been no actual literal throne and kingdom in accordance with the prediction of Hosea 3:4-5, God has given the assurance that He will always preserve a lineage with a right to the throne, and that David’s kingdom was eternally established. And so David’s house will yet literally take up the reins of government of this kingdom which was established forever, as foretold in Psalm 89:27-38.

    It is imperative for a right division of the Scriptures to see that God never promised David that his descendants in unbroken succession would sit upon the throne, but he did give him His word that He would preserve a royal seed and a kingdom which would be established for ever, and build up his throne to all generations ( Psalm 89:4). God did not say “ through all succeeding generations without interruption.” It is for this reason that Jeremiah could predict during dark days of evil and approaching calamity in Jeremiah 33:14-17, that God would someday bring about blessing to Israel and the Gentile nations through a righteous king from the seed of David. The promise that there will always be a man to sit on David’s throne is not therefore a declaration that every generation will see a son of David reigning on the earth, but rather an assurance that God will preserve David’s lineage so that it is unbroken down through the centuries.

    Though we recognize that Gentile believers are among the seed of Abraham and heirs according to promise ( Gal 3:29) this does not mean that the promises to Israel have been cancelled. That Gentile believers are the spiritual seed of Abraham in no way changes this promise to Israel. The Bible not only distinguishes between the fourfold seed of Abraham but also carefully denotes to which division the specific promises apply. The descendants of Ishmael, Keturah, and Esau are not to claim the promises made to Israel. The received their own special blessings. The unbelieving Israelite will not receive the same inheritance as the one who lives a life of obedience and faith. Nor can Gentile believers who are the spiritual seed of Abraham lay claim to the promise of the land of Canaan. As God’s Heavenly people, we have at distinctive place in His program. The promise of Canaan belongs to Israel, and to Israel alone.

    The clear teaching of the Bible is that it was never God’s intention to deal only with one nation. This can be seen in the promise of the Abrahamic covenant that through Abraham ALL the families of the earth would be blessed ( Gen 12:3).The OT Scriptures give us a detailed picture of confederacies of specific nations, and the role that THE GENTILE NATIONS will play in God’s end time program. As we observe the current international scene it is fascinating to note how things are moving toward the final fulfillment of these great prophetic pronouncements.

    To best appreciate the role of the non-Jewish peoples of the world during the end times we must realize that just as God has outlined in the Bible a specific plan for Israel, he has also revealed a program for the Gentiles as well. In Luke 21 :24 Jesus referred to this program as the “ times of the Gentiles”, but the Bible elsewhere makes it abundantly clear when this period began and when it will end. The book of Daniel gives us the picture of four great Gentile world powers which should rise and fall before Christ establishes His universal kingdom. This information is first given from the human view point in Daniel 2:31-36, and again from God’s viewpoint in Daniel 7. History records the four great Gentile world powers to have been Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Since this has all come to pass and does not impact on the end times we will not discuss these empires further, except to say that it is reasonable to expect that just as the first portion of these prophecies were fulfilled that the remaining portion of the prophecy will also be fulfilled.

    Both in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream and in Daniel’s vision the destruction of these kingdoms are portrayed. Nebuchadnezzer saw a stone crash against the image, smiting it to bits , then the stone suddenly became a great mountain that filled the entire earth ( Daniel 2:34-35), but Daniel saw far more than the smiting and destroying stone. We are told in Daniel 7:13-14, that the prophet saw the Ancient of Days taking over the kingdoms of the world, and that he saw man, true man represented in the Son of Man, and assuming the reins of human government.

    Now this last phase of Nubuchadnezzar’s dream and Daniel’s vision has posed a problem for many Bible students. In the dream the stone destroyed the Roman Empire with a sudden and cataclysmic blow, and immediately filled the earth with its presence. In the vision the Ancient of Days took over the reins of human government. This seems contrary to historical fact since the Roman) Empire was never suddenly destroyed, but continued for several hundred after the Lord Jesus came to earth, died, and ascended into Heaven. A combination of factors – immorality, weakening home life, and spiritual darkness – gradually led to the decay of this mighty empire until barbarian armies brought about its fall.

    Some students suggested that the stone represents Jesus Christ in His first coming, and declare that He by His life, death, and resurrection defeated Satan and provided for the ultimate conquest of all the forces arrayed against God’s people. This interpretation is rather difficult to accept because it is too general, and moves from a description of literal earthly kingdoms to a completely non literal and spiritual sphere. For the most part these interpreters believe the Church is the means by which God overcomes these hostile powers until they are completely subjugated by Jesus Christ at His return. However, the truth is that the Church had no significant part in the destruction of the Roman Empire, since Rome deteriorated slowly for several centuries before barbarian armies invaded it and brought about its fall. T dream, however, does not present the downfall of the R man Empire in such a gradual manner. Consequently this interpretation must be rejected as erroneous.

    We who believe Bible prophecy will be literally fulfilled know that nothing in history can be truly looked upon the realization of the “stone aspect” of Daniel’s dream. Therefore, we expect the final “feet stage” of this image to appear sometime very soon in the future, and we believe it will then suffer a sudden cataclysmic destruction just as we have described in Daniel 2:34, 35. Inasmuch as two feet would normally have ten toes we see a ten-nation confederacy implied.

    The final destruction of Gentile world power as described by Daniel is therefore still future, and it is obvious that a long period of time separates the fourth kingdom in its first phase from the final 10-part form. The vision itself gives no indication of this long time lapse. The best explanation of this is found in a recognition that God not give Daniel or the other Old Testament prophet understanding of the Church Age, the age of grace which spans the time from Christ’s first advent to His return. The Old Testament Scriptures predicted our Lord’s birth, death resurrection, ascension, present position at God’s right hand and His glorious return, but gave no indication of the length of time involved between His ascension and return in glory. If we understand this, many questions concerning Bible prophecy are answered. When we recognize Bible prophecy passes over this interim period without filling in details, we can see why the Scriptures present no specific prediction concerning many of the prominent nations in the world today.

    Prophecy deals with those events connected with the Lord’s first coming, and with those that will occur during the brief period just before He returns in glory. But some modern nations, like Russia, are mentioned in the prophet Scriptures, but only as they relate to Israel in the period immediately preceding the return of Jesus Christ to rule over the earth. It is for this reason that we must be v careful in the interpretation of prophecy.

    The times of the Gentiles began when Nebuchadnezzar captured Jerusalem in 586 BC.
    Ever since that time Jerusalem was under Gentile dominion, until 1967 when the
    Israeli were successful in recapturing it. We do not know how long the Jews will be
    able to maintain control of it. What we do know is that after the rapture, which could
    take place at any moment. When this happens, the Jews will return to the land of
    Palestine in great numbers, and enjoy freedom for three and one-half years. Then Daniel
    9:27 tells us that the political world ruler will suddenly enter into Jerusalem, take over
    the temple, and initiate the most horrible period of persecution against the Jews as described later in this essay.

    We must be aware that Luke 21:20-24 reveals that our Lord foretold the destruction of
    Jerusalem, which was accomplished by Titus and the Roman armies in 70 A.D., and
    then declared that Jerusalem would be under Gentile dominion “until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

    The words immediately following describe the signs which will be manifested just before Jesus Christ returns to reign over the earth (Luke 21:25-28). The Lord gave no explanation of the time period that would elapse between the destruction of Jerusalem and His glorious return. The Lord Jesus was aware of Old Testament prophecies which declared that the Jews would return to Palestine and in the state of unbelief rebuild their temple in Jerusalem. He certainly, knew that they would dwell for a time while in unbelief, feeling secure as prophesied in Ezekiel 38:8. However, He also knew that this would only be temporary, and that when He would return to reign over the earth Jerusalem would be under the domination of Gentile oppressors.
    The Apostle Paul also recognized that the Jews would rebuild their temple, and that the political world ruler the end-time would seize it and demand that men worship him there. ( 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4).

    It is therefore necessary to recognize that the Jews will have temporary possession of the city before Antichrist turns against them. In other words, the occupation of Jerusalem by the Jews as we see it today is not a contradiction of our Lord’s prophecy, nor does it necessarily indicate that the return of Jesus Christ must occur within a few months. Our Lord simply declared that the Jews will not have permanent control of this city until “the times of the Gentiles” has been ended. It is certain that the Jews will not retain direction over the city of Jerusalem indefinitely. During the last half of the tribulation period it will be under Gentile dominion. God’s ancient people cannot permanently possess this sacred city until they turn to Christ and submit to His rule. The “times of the Gentiles” began about 600 B.C. and will end when Jesus comes in glory to rule over the earth from Jerusalem.
    As the time of the Gentiles comes to a close the Jews will again experience a most terrible time of persecution- the worse in their history. According to Zechariah 13:8 an intensive campaign of extermination will effect the destruction of two thirds of the Jews then living in Palestine. In fact when the nations gather to fight the last battle before Christ comes, their purpose will be to utter destroy the Jews who have turned to God during the great tribulation It is at this precise time to defeat the rebellious nations and establish His righteous rule over the earth as foretold in Zechariah 14:2-4,9. When this prophecy is fulfilled , “ The times of the Gentiles” will have run its course and come to an end. Christ’s establishment as King will inaugurate God’s program of millennial blessing.

    The prophetic Scriptures speak also of a day when the nations will be under a world ruler who will achieve political ( Revelation13:7), commercial ( Revelation 13:17), and religious ( Revelation 13:15) world unity for a very brief period of time. The advent of this future ( or better apparently presently already formed) confederation of nations under the Antichrist, referred to as the revived Roman Empire is predicted in Daniel 7:7,8ff; Rev 13:1-2.It is to be noted that the boundaries of this alignment of nations does not have to correspond to exactly to that of the ancient Roman Empire at the time it reached its zenith.

    God informed Daniel that the ten horns on the fourth beast ( the ten kingdoms implied in the feet of Nebuchadnezzer’s image) represented ten kings or political leaders and their realms, that will rise to power. The little horn signifies a political ruler who will come to the fore subduing three heads of state in the process, and apparently securing the submission of the other seven. He will be a arrogant , presumptuous, blasphemous, and a bitter enemy of God and his people, and will rule for three and one half years before being personally judged and his kingdom destroyed by the Ancient of Days ( Daniel 7:9-14, 26,27).

    Now some Bible students posit that the ten horns represent ten successive kings in ancient history, but this view is erroneous since the Word clearly states that the ten kings appear on the world scene simultaneously and co-exist with the little horn. They do not come up one by one each standing alone but are in power together. Nothing like this has ever happened before, although many now believe that the ten kings are present in the form of the TEN STATES OF THE EUROPEAN COMMON MARKET. Further more, the destruction of the blasphemous little horn is by the Ancient of Days and results in the ushering of the universal and everlasting kingdom spoken of consistently by all the prophets. Clearly then, this ten horn stage of the fourth beast is still future, and it is obvious that the rise of the these kingdoms and the arrogant little horn will occur before Jesus returns to establish His kingdom at His glorious appearing. If we are correct about the ten European states now in confederacy being the ten horns, this prophecy could be fulfilled within the next ten years or so. Though we will not be so silly to set a date for the rapture which would precede these events by at least 9.5 years it should be very obvious that our salvation is definitely nearer than when we first believed, and certainly than we think!

    Revelation 13:1-2 is another scripture that refers to an end time Gentile empire which includes ten political leaders and their territories. It seems that John in his vision saw a similar scene to Daniel ecept that the seven heads is an additional detail that is now revealed. Perhaps these seven heads correspond to the seven kings of Revelation 17:10.

  • A Change Is Gonna Come Avatar
    A Change Is Gonna Come

    GP if you can’t join the dots together to figure out the bad ritualistic freemason illuminati players setting up new world order you are missing or too low in the pyramid to figure out real deal

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar

    I AM LOW IN THE PYRAMID SIR
    I STOP PLAYING DOT TO DOT DRAWINGS LONG LONG AGO
    AND I AGREE……..CHANGE IS DEFINITELY GOING TO COME SOON
    I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO IT
    NOTE THAT I DIDNT LISTEN TO YOUR MUSICAL DIARRHOEA THOUGH
    186/4


  • GP don,t u realise how callous and insensitive u comments are especially when u try to justify such evilness to (force)bible prophecy.

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar
    GEORGIE PORGIE

    I am neither callous or insensitive
    I didnt make the rules
    I dint give the PROMISES/ PREDICTIONS/PROPHESIES
    nor do I have any control over what will happen
    I believe that these will come to pass- that is my focus
    I here in my den sharing what I have gleaned by diligent study
    Why dont wunnah let me do that in peace
    What happens to Jews or Palestinians is their business. I have my own issues to deal with as I prepare for the rapture


  • Man GP u better wake up.cause belive me the kingdom of God has no place for selfrighteous pharisees like u..gp check uh bible and see what little or no respect jesus had for them .even reminding them that with all the worldy gains and scholastic abilty …there were unworthy.man u better check uh self

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar
    GEORGIE PORGIE

    I am neither self righteous or a Pharisee
    Pharisees no longer exist- they were members of the Sanhedrin – the 70 men that ruled Israel under the Romans in Jesus time

    I am just a good Bible scholar thats all
    And you cant judge me cause you dont know me and YOU WONT BE THE ONE SITTING AT THE BEEMA


  • Earl Cox said: “Yes! Free, Free Palestine!” This chant is being shouted from streets of major cities across America and around the world. The message we hear is, how can these poor, oppressed Palestinians live one more day facing such violence and turmoil? … The news outlets want you to think Israel is the demon. But is that really the truth? Maybe we should look at this from another angle. Yes! Free, Free Palestine! Not from Israel, but from their own people, from those they have elected as their leaders. Free them from the savagery of being forced by said elected officials to live under deplorable conditions due to their elected leaders being too busy building bombs, their terrorist infrastructure and engaging in a relentless campaign of hate against Israel. … The Palestinians have failed to become contributing members of a civilized world. They prefer to behave like barbarians that keep their people in a constant state of unrest. Then they blame all their woes on Israel.”

    God says: “I lift my hand to heaven and declare: As surely as I live forever when I sharpen my flashing sword and my hand grasps it in judgment, I will take vengeance on my adversaries and repay those who hate me. I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders. Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants; he will take vengeance on his enemies and make atonement on his land and his people.” (Deuteronomy 32: 40-43)

    The Jerusalem Connection says: Up to now and since 1948 all of Israel’s wars have ended in agreed on cease-fires. There has never been a clear and certain declaration of victory. However, everybody knows the Arabs who start the fight will continue until their defeat is apparent then they call for a cease-fire. Israel’s invasion into Gaza has the potential of making a major paradigm shift in what up to now has been a recipe for further fighting. Israel has the military capacity and moral imperative to defeat Hamas, dismantle its command infrastructure and put Gaza under Egyptian control where it should be. Cease-fires settle nothing. Only a clear and unequivocal defeat of Hamas jihadists can bring any hope for a guarded normalcy for Israel. My prayer is that this time Israel will not settle for a cease-fire.

  • GEORGIE PORGIE Avatar
    GEORGIE PORGIE

    ZOE
    No one on BU is interested in historical facts or what the BIBLE says, when rightly divided.
    this is a free for all where free thinking Bible illiterates rule.—where you dont come to conclusions by exegesis and word studies.Here you seek ask and knock, and then you are supposed to find.But what? Rubbish!
    When you explain facts, you have an attitude.Your opinions are to be “challenged” and “contradicted” by Bible illiterates
    Contradict me if you wish, but for God’s sake be correct, or bring the relevant Scriptures, rightly divided to bear.
    If you post simple stuff about the probability of fulfillment of certain prophesies you are trying to impress. Impress? This is stuff I first read as a 16 year old boy.

  • Black Christmas Avatar
    Black Christmas

    dreaming of a black christmas
    http://youtu.be/eWHHx0naTqA


  • there is an obvious force of( push ) by the christain right in an attempt attempt to bring old and new testament prophesy together and attached them to the second coming ,,,,this kind of blasphemy fueled by vigilance and the chrisrain interpretations of prophecies have cause more division in this frightful
    attempt which has been overtaken by a self righteous indignation driven by an inability to see the nakedness of the truth which lies beneath a crucifix of lies and deception..which has nothing to do with love for fellowman….

    here is a video of what Jewish Rabbis think about the religious right in their quest to win jews for jesus and an hidden agenda to herald in the second coming of christ

  • Israel-Palestine: This is how it ends Avatar
    Israel-Palestine: This is how it ends

    Israel-Palestine: This is how it ends
    https://secure.avaaz.org/en/israel_palestine_this_is_how_it_ends_loc/

    Sign the Petition


  • @ GEORGIE PORGIE | July 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM |

    What happened to the CAPS GP?
    …it is Zoe that used normal font remember?
    LOL

  • Declaration of Rights Avatar
    Declaration of Rights

    Declaration
    of
    Dub

    Time
    to
    Unite

    When
    you
    Wrong
    you
    Wrong

    You
    Are
    Double
    Wrong
    http://youtu.be/IhOl0vGvhSQ


  • Gaza is a concentration camp, and it’s an American delusion not to recognize that — Weschler

    Lawrence Weschler, a writer of considerable mainstream prestige, is sick of prevaricating about Israel. It’s rabid. It has rabies. And Gaza is a concentration camp. Weschler has let loose chiefly because of the “remorseless” and “repetitively compulsive” aspect of Israeli violence. I believe that understanding is now widely shared in the liberal mainstream, and interventions like Weschler’s make it easier for others to speak up. From Truthdig:

    I know, I know, and I am bone tired of being told it, when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there is plenty of blame to go around, but by this point after coming on almost 50 years of Israeli stemwinding and procrastinatory obfuscation, I’d put the proportionate distribution of blame at about the same level as the mortality figures—which is, where are we today (what with Wednesday morning’s four children killed while out playing on a Gaza beach)? What, 280 to 2?

    For the single overriding fact defining the Israeli-Palestinian impasse at this point is that if the Palestinians are quiescent and not engaged in any overt rebellion, the Israelis (and here I am speaking of the vast majority of the population who somehow go along with the antics of their leaders, year after year) manage to tell themselves that things are fine and there’s no urgent need to address the situation; and if, as a result, the endlessly put-upon Palestinians do finally rise up in any sort of armed resistance (rocks to rockets), the same Israelis exasperate, “How are we supposed to negotiate with monsters like this?” A wonderfully convenient formula, since it allows the Israelis to go blithely on, systematically stealing Palestinian land in the West Bank, and continuing to confine 1.8 million Gazans within what might well be described as a concentration camp.</i>
    

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/concentration-delusion-recognize.html

  • Above The Clouds Avatar
    Above The Clouds

    Has page got format messed up? It looks like Message Board

    Israel was given by Brits when everything was all about colour and it was all black and white

    Now you can colourise black and white photos

    Above The Clouds


  • A deadly christain game one that most likely would unite the whole of muslim world against the WEST and at the same time having jews and muslims in agr and muslims in similar agreement.


  • Colonel Buggy | July 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM |
    David | July 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM |
    How can anyone shoot down a plane with civilian passengers?
    ……………………………………………………………………………..
    For what little its worth, this incident might not have been intentional,but the result of having trigger happy , poorly train “soldiers” manning sophisticated equipment.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2702002/US-Russia-created-conditions-shoot-down.html


  • “It hardly takes more than a day in Gaza to begin to appreciate what it must be like to try to survive in the world’s largest open-air prison.”

    ~ Noam Chomsky


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