Not only is it a necessity for those that were enslaved and BROKEN and DOMESTICATED, but it is also a necessity if moral equilibrium is to be restored to a world that has become totally vampire oriented.
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numerous attempts have been brought to the table asking/ beggingthe ancestors of the slave trade to repay or compensate slaves but to no avail…….here are instances where might remains RIGHT even in the face of truth and search for justice,,,,,,,.
Black people dont OWN anything in Bim????? In JA??? In the USA????
Where you getting your info from????? This insults successful Black people!!! I know plenty MULTI MILLIONAIRE Black Bajans!!!
You nee to UPGRADE YOUR associates and friends! The negative attitude is the CRITICAL ENEMY of SUCCESS for all people!
wait what de helll ..what de hell does knowing black millionaires to do with seeking justice, wuh hell! is that the new defense the benefactors now used to agitate and confuse an issue that deals with unfair justice towards a race that have been denied justice , wuh dam i :ll be dam,,,,,well if that is the case and the way justice is to be administered next time i owe the benefactors of the slave trade money and refuse to pay i will tell them i know nuff white millionaires let them pay,
ac | February 13, 2014 at 8:43 PM |
numerous attempts have been brought to the table asking/ beggingthe ancestors of the slave trade to repay or compensate slaves
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Translate this into normal everyday English and you will see the problem.
There are no ancestors left alive to pay reparations and all the slaves are long dead!!
Its been 180 years since emancipation …. that is six generations assuming a generation is 30 years.
The Old Testament speaks of God visiting the iniquity of the father upon the children to the 3rd and 4th generation of them that hate Him ……
@AC
Did you actually read what was written???
Hint: it said clearly that there was a lack of Black OWNERSHIP!
Slavery was/ is a disgustingly horrible institution which STILL EXISTS today in many parts of the World eg Sudan. Slavery has NO RACE!!! Slavery existed in Europe for hundreds of years before the Atlantic Slave Trade.
The Vikings from the 800s on raided the UK and other parts of Europe as did the Barbary AFRICAN Pirates later on. Chinese/ Indians practiced Slavery for hundreds of years. The Arabs were and are World Champions in Slavery especially today in Sudan! Why NOT focus on SOLVING that NOW?
Black people NEED to work together NOW to STOP Slavery in Sudan!
What about the Multitude of Black PIMPS in Nth America, Europe and Globally ENSLAVING GIRLS and females of ALL Races???
Since my people in the UK were among the FIRST SLAVES when I receive my REPERATIONS I will CONSIDER sharing with my Black brothers and sisters! Besides that I have NEVER OWNED Slaves nor benefited from Slavery so I OWE NOTHING!
MB the descendants already been told through courts that they are not entitled to any thing,in reality most blacks would be surprise if reparations become a reality cause they know and understand a moral or ethical compass by the inheritors and benefactors of the slave trade is missing at the core of this argument
It must not be forgotten that thousands of black families in the Caribbean as well as the America, never saw the evil institution of slavery. So reparation would be out of the question for the relatives of many of these black families. Public Television in America quite recently, featured a documentary which traced the roots of famous black folk in America. And it was discovered that many of the families of these famous people never saw the evil institution of slavery. So it is important that we dispel the myth that the entire black community in the America’s, experienced the evil institution of slavery.
WHAT IS THE OLE SLAVEMASTER THINKING NOWADAYS?
He is thinking:
“we must not wait for this reparations movement to grow and become a mass movement, because we need the global priorities that set up slavery and colonialism to continue.
“The implication of this reparations movement is that we would have to change our global priorities from serving the cause of wealth for the few to serve the cause of justice for all.
That would be the end of our slave-master system, so there are two things that we need to do simultaneously: We must increase our budget for handing out BRIBES, and at the same time we must convince the world that we are too broke to consider reparations.
Based upon these conclusions we need to send out our agents in all the plantations with the message that progress can be made without concerning yourself about correcting the many ongoing injustices of slavery.”
“By facilitating some well-publicized DONOR DEPENDENT PROGRESS we will therefore create
A RACE OF SATISFIED DONOR-DEPENDENT NEGROES”.
(COPIED FROM
http://www.rastafarivisions.com/readingroom-654/more-articles-a/the-role-of-bribes)
AC, you really need to cleanse your mind and get on with life. A few truths:
No one is going to give you anything
You deserve only what you work for
You are perfectly capable of any success you put your mind to in Bim or the US or most Western countries. Your wining about mental enslavement and other similar BS indicates an excuse of pure laziness as the evidence is there black people can succeed without repar payments..
“Knowing black millionaires has nothing to do with justice”. You are right. Black successful people have figured out where success is and what they need to do to achieve it. Justice for past wrongs centuries ago has nothing to do with it.
Every race, people, culture, etc has had some wrong done to them. Some worse that the slave trade. Most pick themselves up and move on.
I am sure you cannot be convinced otherwise, so maybe in another life you will have a more positive, purposeful experience.
That’s all I have to say about that.
This question ought to pain the majority of us who are dressed in the skin of black.
And wether rightfully conceived or wrongfully interpreted, there is documentay evidence which points to the fact that Free-Blacks in America, brought and sold other people of colour, and did so at least since 1654, continuing to do so right through the Civil War. Now, you ought to bear in mind that slavery reached its peak in America in the middle 1600’s. And President Abraham Lincoln’s Civil War Amendments, ended slavery in America in the Middle 1800’s.
Another fact you ought to know about slavery America: now are you aware of the fact that Native Americans also owned slaves in America? Well, read upon the history of the Five – Civilized Native American Tribes. How about the Native Americans paying reparation to African Americans?
@Konkieman
You ought to taking into consideration the fact that blackman suffered some four- hundred years under evil institution of slavery. And just after that institution was ended on paper, he had to contend with Jim Crow, the Black-Code, Racial- Apartheid and Economic – colonial right in the 1960’s. Study your history man!
Sorry, that should have been Economic – Colonialism.
This is what a lot of ill- informed black folk ought to understand and it was pointed out in one of Dr. Arthur Lewis’ books: the whiteman, Indian, and Chinese had a good four – hundred years ahead to perfected they craft, while the man of colour stayed shackled to the evil institution of slavery.
And my final point on this issue is this: one has to really understand the historical forces that have given rise to the psychological apparatus of the Blackman in America, to truly understand what makes him do the things he does. His history defines him, and this we ought to taking into consideration each and everytime we endeavor to vitiate him.
Yall ought to read the article which describes the IMF as being the modern form of Colonialism.
As Nigerian writer, Chinweizu, has asserted (quote):
“Reparations is mostly about making repairs, self-made repairs, on ourselves: mental repairs, psychological repairs, cultural repairs, organizational repairs, social repairs institutional repairs, political repairs, technological repairs, economic repairs, political repairs, educational repairs, repairs of every type that we need in order to recreate and sustain viable black societies… For the Sad truth is that five centuries of holocaust have made our societies brittle and unviable… More important than monies to be received: more fundamental than any lands to be recovered is the opportunity of Black people, Black people; opportunities for the rehabilitation of our minds, our material condition, our collective reputation, our cultures, our memories, our self-respect, our religious, our political traditions and our family institutions; but first and foremost the rehabilitation of our minds”.
NOW i am getting it,,,When blacks ASK FOr JUSTICE.. there are
LAZY! Mental chained …Lacks social values ! deprived of moral values ,,looking for easy handouts…and undeserving ,,,,,,,,, Now when others ask for justices against the wrongs done to them like the Jews ,,They are smart ! wise! intelligent,have good morals and social character and deserving,,,,,,,,,,,Now i get it ,,,,,,,O.K,,,,,,,,,You Guys Right i am WRONG,,,,,,now i think i will go to DR, Rubinstein for a psychological evaluation and while doing so asked his advice ,,,on what are the differences in the blacks mental attitude seeking justices against the wrongs done in slavery and the mental attitude the jews had while seeking justice against the wrongs committed during the Holocaust ……..i will update later to his answer.
I always find this bullshit amusing. Long after the slave trade was abolished we sucked at the teet of the mother country until WW2 broke her and she could afford us no more. There is no more to give and no more should be expected. If slave descendants living locally want to return home I’m sure the money could be found locally, regardless of whether they were West African, Irish, Scott or Quaker. I’m sure the queue for plane tickets would be very short.
not everybody is like AC in the paper this morning a band of ladies have come up with a new business model and are doing quite well even in these tough times. I was wondering where a lot of people had gone, they must have had to pawn their computers to pay them.
QUOTE FROM UPCOMING ARTICLE
“Imprisoned by such RESOURCE DEPRIVATION, the Negro’s increase in numbers would not be accompanied by an increase in space or an increase in food.
As time progressed it would ultimately lead to an increase in internal conflict, because desperation would drive the Negro to compete one against the other for the few available crumbs in the human market place.
Some would be spared from this hellish existence specifically for the purpose of maintaining AN IN-BETWEEN DEFENSE FORCE in the form of a middle class. These would serve the purpose of projecting the idea that PROGRESS CAN BE MADE WITHOUT CORRECTING INJUSTICE.
Such progress that would be allowed to this chosen few would be given much prominence and be used as a measure of race progress despite the unchanged condition of the majority.”
look for upcoming article
@ Frustratedbusinessman
The labour of the blackman powered the economies of America as well as the islands in West Indies for over four- hundred years. And you’re telling me that you wont fight to remain some of the wealth your foreparents labour produced?
Frustratedbusinessman
The Labour of the Blackman powered the economies of America as well as the islands in the West Indies. And you’re asking me to believe that you wont fight to regain some of the Wealth your foreparents labour had produced.
@ac
Blacks would be excellently advised to thoroughly research the models and actions practiced by the Jews, Japs, Chinese et al who were treated badly by Whitey! Notice that these groups do NOT forget history BUT they do not permit the negatives to pre-occupy their lives! They set a course for SUCCESS! They plan to not only get even BUT to exceed their former persecutors. Did any of the above mentioned groups receive $BILLIONS?
NOOOOOOOOOOO!
Personally, I would bet that Successful Black people use the historical negatives as FUEL to drive themselves past the finish line of Success! They dont sit around bitching and waiting for $$$$$$$$$$. They know that their ancestors deserve the $$$$$$ and unfortunately those family members are long gone, as are their persecutors!
Who seriously believes that taking a Bajan on the Block age 25 and giving him $25,000 is going to SOLVE anything regarding his personal development??? Now providing excellent schooling/ training is a different matter. ALL youngsters who are messing around with their lives should be placed in the Military for proper lessons in Discipline and Development.
@Mark F
What you and others recommend about fighting for the Wealth generated by Slavery sounds good in theory BUT it is totally unrealistic and as such a detraction from solving the problems preventing progress among some black people. It is pointless to demand reparations since there is NO one alive who was a slave, to receive the payments. Have the Jews been compensated for the Wealth taken by the Germans??? This happened only 70 years ago, not 170-200 years back.
My ancestors were involved in the Monmouth Rebellion and “Barbadosed” by Judge Jefferies as a result. Why did they get involved? They were being unfaired by the “leaders” of the day! Should we sue too? NO! Pointless!
My family and I are very pleased to have been born in Bdos rather than the drab “motherland” and if I were black I would be relatively happy with the opportunities in Bim and the Western World BUT working towards better Education/ Training, Self Development etc for all.
Marc, the first slave owner in the New World was a black man. Everyone in the New World suffered to make it what it is, some suffered more than others; which is exactly the situation we have today with our post-independence black royalty.
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
I’m still glad I’m here rather than there. The only people who have any right to be miserable about New World history are the indigenous peoples and we have none in Barbados.
The issue of reparations for Caribbean people is thinly-disguised racism and self-pity and I will have none of it. If the Amerindians rise up I will wholeheartedly support them.
@Frustratedbusinessman
I don’t know where you have gotten the myth from that the first slave owner in the New World was a black man. I am only aware of the fact that Muslim slavery begun in Africa before European economic slavery. Have you ever wonder why countries such as Nigeria and Ghana, which happened to be in West Africa are Islamic? Well, Islam invaded these countries and many others in Africa, before the Europeans and imposed its religious belief on these countries.
Moneybrain………………..I gotta agree with you, there are black millionaires and billionaires in the US and Africa like sand, apparently people in the Caribbean know very little about them and should google the info, the internet was designed as a research tool.
Mark………….indeed, the black muslim moors, now the arabs and southeast asians were indeed the first slave owners, they did roam the earth enslaving all and sunder, unfortunately black people are not as knowledgeable as they should be on this subject.
Mark Fenty | February 13, 2014 at 11:51 PM |
Another fact you ought to know about slavery America: now are you aware of the fact that Native Americans also owned slaves in America? Well, read upon the history of the Five – Civilized Native American Tribes. How about the Native Americans paying reparation to African Americans?
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That may or may not be true but ….. I am pretty sure I read somewhere or saw in a documentary that the English removed some Native Americans to Barbados where they were sold as slaves!!
I’ll see if I can find it again.
Mark Fenty | February 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM |
@Frustratedbusinessman
I don’t know where you have gotten the myth from that the first slave owner in the New World was a black man.
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Actually, it was the first slave owner in America who was a black man.
… and you can check it on the internet, which I admit can be used to propagate myths.
http://topconservativenews.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/
I suspect however that slave ownership occurred before 1655 in the New World, if you count Barbados as being a part of the New World.
South Carolina and Jamaica (once it was taken from the Spanish) were settled from Barbados from 1655 onwards and I have read that some settlers took their slaves with them when they left.
Remember, slaves were very valuable property.
That’s one of the reasons that I find it difficult to accept that they were all treated badly by their owners who would have viewed them as I said before, as extremely valuable property.
It just makes absolutely no economic sense to take any action to shorten the life of any factor contributing to your economic survival of youself and your family.
… and that goes without even looking at the moral considerations.
According to DR. Rubenstein Jews acomplishments after the Holacoust and their ability to received compensation wasa powered by the countries that now see the Black cause as one of indifference. he said that moving forward Jews were educated and was sought out and prefered even though segegation praticed against them .many or all of the powerful countries acted as supportsystem included boycotts of countries.. he said that without such a system blacks call for repartions would be ignored
I think the real puzzle is trying to understand how a bunch of Englishmen hit on the idea of abolishing slavery which had existed for millennia.
What possessed these madmen to so completely buck the trend?
When we figure out that, we will be able to do something about the slavery that exists today.
@ MoneyBrain
It is a very easy thing for a docile people who were “barbadosed” to remain in a state of lethargy and indolence as the majority of us negroes have.
It is equally easy for said people who are, for the most part, bereft of direction/vision to speak of this ethereal reparations in such vague terms that the listener conceives it to be $x dollars to person why in lieu of payment of his ancestors enslavement.
Now do not get me wrong, for i feel as strongly as the next negro that slavery was worse than the holocaust and final solution, for whereas other nations have self-actuated out of their enslavement, we continue to wallow in either the mire of self pity and the pro-active economic enslavement that persists at 2014.
If 25K was placed into the hands of 9% of the population of Barbados, or the black population, by 2016, when the DLP looses every single seat in the HoA, 90% of that money will be back in the hands of a minority!!
So I am not one who will jump on to the “Repatriations Chant” and Soul train line in the customary fashion since, if it is not structured to address the root of our indolence and inveterate self pity, we will be worse for any such payout/handout.
I too believe that and i quote you here “ALL youngsters who are messing around with their lives should be placed in the Military for proper lessons in Discipline and Development…” this boys on the block shi$e has to stop but who, which one of these impotent political leaders will venture into this area of proactive cohesion, under this empty statement bout “Barbados is more than an community, it is a society” and Belle the cat?
No Mr. Money Brain all of this Repatriations talk will amount to nothing is there is no vision and the same balls-less men at our stern of our respective CARICOM states are co-opted to execute that programme
John….the English only abolished slavery because it was becoming less lucrative and more expensive to maintain, but blacks were really fed up also and burning down left and right.
The further back you go in Native American history, the blacker the Native Americans are, this is also true about the Incas, that is why it’s safer to start your history before any whites entered Africa, you get a better grasp on what happened and the pieces fit together much better. I am trying to start from anywhere between the 4th and 14th century when black queens and kings ruled the world.
In my explanation about the black muslim moors, known today as arabs and the black southeast asian moors, they are known to us today as Indians,. Again, it was recently found through DNA testing that he Chinese originated from a black tribe in sub-sahara Africa, the further back you go in the mountains of China, the blacker the people are, I think that alone is enough information to change the mindset and chip on the shoulder mentality of some people, that is presuming that their heads are not too hard for the transformation.
ac | February 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM |
According to DR. Rubenstein Jews acomplishments after the Holacoust and their ability to received compensation wasa powered by the countries that now see the Black cause as one of indifference. he said that moving forward Jews were educated and was sought out and prefered even though segegation praticed against them .many or all of the powerful countries acted as supportsystem included boycotts of countries.. he said that without such a system blacks call for repartions would be ignored
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…. just stating the obvious but the perpetrators and the victims were also alive.
Obviously ac is totally unaware that as recent as the 50s, jews (not my favorite people, but i like to be fair) were being used as pawns to steal land from the Palestinians, everyone was in on it, the big countries. they, the jews were being deported from London and re-deported from Palestine depending on the whims and fancy of the then movers and shakers, and moved around until they had to pick up guns and fight, one of the reasons no one should be surprised that they are so vicious, greedy and hateful and would kill anyone. The history is there for anyone who is interested
Well Well | February 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM |
John….the English only abolished slavery because it was becoming less lucrative and more expensive to maintain, but blacks were really fed up also and burning down left and right.
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So why are there more slaves in the world today than ever?
Your argument falls flat when faced with the reality of life!!
@Well Well
Well I guess the people in the Caribbean haven’t heard of the black Millionaires in the NBA and NFL? I know of one black billionaire in America and he resides in the state Texas. And his father owns ill-gotten oil in Nigeria ….
@John
While it is sadly true that Slaves were counted with Cattle it certainly makes no sense that any clever owner would just mash up his assets. If I owned Dairy Cows I would NOT lash them BUT would do whatever I could to maximise milk production.
Mind you they are idiot managers today that still want to treat people badly even though that does not make sense. I remember such a chap in Bim, who was brown, intimidating a dark young lady who I was trying to encourage to contribute/ develop at a higher level.
@WW
Many people dislike Jews BUT when they need a good Lawyer who do they call? Remember, OJ called Shapiro and he brought in Johnnie C and the team.
DR rubeinstein also state that the prepretaors being dead is used as a red herring to bolster. he also stated that when some one owes international govts whether dead or alive those govts have Laws which give them the RIGHT TO SEIZE.. He further stated that the jews were citizens of a foreign country which did commit horrendous acts but it did not stop international countries from proceeding on the jews behalf which isa contradictory initself and unfair to how justice is being denied to blacks .
John…….that’s the human farm createad to enrich the 1%, it has nothing to do with the African Slave Trade, it was modeled after 1914 to achieve the same thing and replace chattel, you will notice that everyone, black, white, etc, etc are all enslaved to one degree or another, that will keep capitalism alive and well the wealthy getting wealthier, the greedy, greedier, the poor, poorer, etc. well designed to capitalize on the now 7 billion humans on earth….you may know or not that there are around 100 families controlling the world’s wealth and the humans on the farm……Moneybrain can enlighten you even further, i know he is well aware.
Moneybrain..there are alot of folks who avoid jewish lawyers like the plague.
Mark…..I don’t know what to tell you, you live in the US and only know one billionaire, are you sure it’s the same US?
Mark, here are some of the black billionaires in the America I KNOW:
Oprah Winfrey
Robert Johnson
Tiger Woods
Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Don Peebles
JayZ
Piddy
Quinton Primo
Ullysses Bridgeman
and those are just a few of many, many more, are you sure you live in the US?
That should read P.Diddy, and we have not gotten to the black millionaires yet, both male and female…Mark
@WW
I AVOID employing Lawyers like the PLAGUE! Far too many PARASITES!
Also very skeptical of Bankers, Financial Damagers (Advisors) and Weather Forecasters.
@Well Well
Fair enough. But missing from your very distinguished list is the world’s richest black man who happened to be Nigerian, as I have stated above. Aiko Dangole is the world’s richest black man who is worth an estimated 20.8 billion dollars. Forbes Magazine ranked him the 43rd richest person in the world and the richest man in Africa. Owen Arthur may have quite possibly forged a link with this man during his long tenure, so why isn’t Arthur talking to him about plans to liquidate Barbados’ national debt?
@Mark F
Arthur and I know that to be a Billionaire necessitates the brain power to separate losers from winners!
Well Well, you’re quite Right, I live in America but I am not motivated by the money driven mentality of this Hell hole. WIsdom and knowledge are the things which tickle my fancy.
Well Well, it concern me not how much money Jayz has in the bank, or Michael Jordan has hidden in a hole in the backwoods of Alabama.
@ Mark Fenty
“…WIsdom and knowledge are the things which tickle my fancy.”
…sounds impressive, but Bushie still feel that you have more dollars than sense…. 🙂
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