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Hal Austin
Hal Austin

Introduction:
As I sat down to write this weekโ€™s BU contribution on a pressing financial economic matter, I came across the break out of serious antibiotic-resistant bacteria problems at our only hospital. Those of us familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals would not be surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH. I must admit, it did not come as a shock to me, since a friend and I have only recently been discussing the rat-infested, rubbish-strewn, health and safety hazard that is the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. But it was the compulsive, arrogant, obstinate greed of the doctors behind their objections to alternative medicine that tipped me over in to widening the debate on the future of the health service and long-term care. It is not a concern about patient care, nor about the general welfare of ordinary Barbadians, but rather a determine attempt to co-opt the attorney general in their little game of protecting their money-making interests. To put it in simple terms, we are in a deep cesspit of our own making, typified by the abandoning of the elderly, so-called granny dumping, for which the entire nation should be ashamed, yet all these expensively educated people could think about is their own bank accounts.

Analysis:
There are issues of more pressing concern that doctors should be involved in, such as the mortality rate at the hospital, the high costs of X-rays and MRI examinations, of overall poor patient care by doctors, who attend surgeries as and when they like. Few Barbadian doctors, aware that their profession is about public health and not just money-making, have raised their heads from the trough that is taxpayersโ€™ money to battle for improvements in the state of public health. But, typically, they are more concerned about the continuing rise of unregulated medical practice โ€“ so-called complementary medicine โ€“ not in the interest of the public, but because this medical practice main block one of their most lucrative income streams.

Doctors are the most expensively trained people in Barbados, whether they are educated at the University of the West Indies or go โ€˜overseasโ€™ to receive their training. They also have an awful record of picking their fights: against ordinary people who had the good fortune to be trained in Cuba, one of the best medical set ups in the world, while prepared to turn a blind eye to the rise of so-called Chinese medicine, one of the biggest unregulated scams to hit the Western world. But, long-term health care will be the biggest burden on the national economy in the years to come and unless we โ€“ that means all of us, including doctors – do something now to control this massive spend, the already-creaking economy will not be able to stand the strain.

Public Health as Policy:
Public health policy is in need of emergency treatment, from the epidemic of obesity, HIV/Aids infectivity, and overall nutritional shortages, to the $800m cost of the proposed new hospital. However, by far one of the most brutal, uncivilised and savage symptoms of this paucity of policy and funding to be played out in public space is that of granny dumping โ€“ leaving elderly relatives stuck in hospitals and other public institutions until they are removed at public expense. Apart from the fact that this anti-social act should be made a criminal offence, anyone dumping an elderly (disabled or mentally ill) relative in any public institution should also be automatically disinherited.

We cannot be a society in which inhumane relatives can relieve themselves of any social responsibility for sick and elderly relatives then hope to inherit family assets. More than that, this reversal of sociological history is to retreat in to barbarism: historically there has always been a trade off between generations; parents have children to whom they are obliged to provide care and protection until they reach adulthood; then, as adults, they go off and raise their own families. As their children grow, the older generation, now also grand parents, continue to enjoy their early old age until such time that they cannot look after themselves. Part of our social compact is that their children then perform a dual role; looking after their parents while also keeping a watchful eye on their own children, who by now would be in their late teens or early adulthood. This is the generational trade off that is part of human culture and which is now mainly practised in Asia โ€“ the so-called Confucian principle โ€“ and to a certain extent in India, although here is it more something talked about then practised. It is only in Western culture that care of the elderly is palmed off to privatised institutions โ€“ so-called long-term care โ€“ in which their children and grandchildren believe that a weekly or monthly visit usually on Sundays for an hour or so, fulfils that generational obligation. What is compounding this post-Independence brutalism is that with advances in medical science and lifestyle changes have combined to change the structure of the family. Instead of the three-generation extended family (children, parents and grand parents) many young people are now living long enough to get to know their great grand parents, many of whom now live to their late eighties, nineties and over 100. This development will not only re-configure the shape of the family, but will re-write our social obligations to each generation, over and above any impact it will have on the economics of health care.

Preventative Medicine:
The first lesson in good health care, as we have all now learned, is that prevention is better than cure. Good diet, regular exercise, proper rest, cutting down on salt, sugar, unsaturated fats are the ingredients of sound health, and they are the very lesson that the chief medical officer, the ministry of health and individual doctors should be pumping out every day. To reinforce this, government should have a basket of fresh fruit and vegetables, virgin olive oil, fresh fish, well sourced chicken and minimum red meat, should be zero-rated for Value Added Taxation. Policymakers should accept that the short-term loss of taxation could provide incredible long-term dividends in terms of a healthy nation. To this end, it will be cheaper in the long-term for the state to establish a number of leisure centres, complete with gyms, than to focus our health spend on the hospital and medical emergencies.

Science V Tradition:
Part of the mis-education of a former colonised people is that the victor writes the rules. Part of this cultural dominance is the promotion of Western medicine over that of traditional communities, who, through trial and error (the traditional equivalent of the Kuhnian revolution) have worked out which plants are best for which disease. Western science over-ruled this for over a century, but now even this is in reverse as the Big Pharma companies trawl the world looking for fauna and flora, and even the DNA of some people, in which to develop new medicines. In fact, not so long ago the government and medical establishment in Barbados allowed an American biotech company to come to Barbados and take the DNA of one of our ,many centenarians to order to get their lab technicians to develop a medicine to prolong life.

We can be sure that, apart from what they have already received, neither the family nor the nation will benefit from that intellectual property right when it comes on stream. That, I suggest, is the price of ignorance and is something that senior doctors and politicians should have protested loud and hard about at the time. Instead they remained silent, a silence enforced through their collective, embarrassing ignorance. But Western-based medical science versus traditional medicines will continue to occupy health scientists, health economists and social policy experts.

Big Pharma, Big Money:
Doctors all over the Western world are in the hands of the global pharmaceutical companies. It is in their commercial interest to medicalise ordinary aches and pains, develop a medicine for them, then charge the world. It is how they make their billions and little states like Barbados must push back against this dishonesty, now allow our self-interested doctors to encourage us to spend more. If you want to really read about this US$800bn Leviathan, see Marcia Angellโ€™s The Truth About the Drug Companies, Merrill Gooznerโ€™s The $800M Pill, Jerome Kassirerโ€™s On the Take. They also provide good background information on why the entire pharmaceutical industry, so-called Big Pharma, is up in arms against Obamacare.

Analysis and Conclusion:
Barbadian doctors have a lot of questions to answer: we want to know doctorsโ€™ death rates, their failed operations, when they are late for appointments, their continuing professional development โ€“ in short, if they are professionally fit for purpose. This is information that should be made publicly available, especially to people undergoing surgery. Worldwide, doctors routinely botch operations on unfortunate patients which only come to light by word of mouth or if one is related to a victim. Either in Barbados we have the best doctors in the world or a number of patients are botched, even killed, without as much as an inquest. With no proper patientsโ€™ representation, no political enthusiasm for taking up constituentsโ€™ issues and the historic deference Barbadians have for so-called professionals, being a doctor in Barbados is almost a licence to murder. But doctors have a greater social responsibility beyond their clinical presence, such as for example when middle aged women have to undergo a hysterectomy or any other serious and life-threatening operation only to be discharged from the hospital within hours because insurance companies do not want to spend the money on their care or there is a shortage of beds. This is an ethical issue, and not one of finance, and doctors should intervene to warn insurance companies that they are putting their patients at risk. But do they? There are areas of medicine and health that we should be actively involved in, if not leading the world: sickle cell, prostate cancer, type-two diabetes, etc, which have a high ethnic and cultural correlation. But their greed has confirmed the urgency of the need for health care reforms, restricting the business and private practice of contracted health service doctors and imposing a strict demarcation line between the expertise of doctors and the care and welfare responsibilities of nurses.


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175 responses to “Notes From a Native Son: Is Greed Now Part of the Hippocratic Oath?”

  1. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    BUSHIE
    I dont usually read asstin but the title caught my eye so I read…………

    As I sat down to write this weekโ€™s BU contribution on a pressing financial economic matter, I came across the break out of serious antibiotic-resistant bacteria problems at our only hospital. Those of us familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals would not be surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH. I must admit, it did not come as a shock to me, since a friend and I have only recently been discussing the rat-infested, rubbish-strewn, health and safety hazard that is the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.

    He reminds me of Jude in the NT who changed his topic.
    Let it be known that serious antibiotic-resistant bacteria problems are common at ALL hospitals around the world!

    He would have us believe that he is most familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals

    He is therefore not surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH.

    Let it be known that Klebsiella bacteria arrived at the QEH eons ago, just as it has at all hospitals all around the world..

    Klebsiella as a member of the enterobacteriacae is found in the gut of everyone.

    One expects Klebsiella in paediatric wards for obvious reasons.

    Yesterday I touched on the methodology of antibiotic resistance.

    Let it be known that antibiotics are produced by bacteria normally as a method of defense against other predatory bacteria.

    Resistance is to be expected as we have run out of the bacteria that provided us with antibiotics initially, i.e there is a limit of antibiotic producing bacteria. Also the pharmaceutical companies have not found newer ways to tweak the initial antibiotics ( we have had ist , 2nd , 3rd generation penicillins, cephalosporins}

    So it is not a shock to me that we see resistant Klebsiella at QEH. After all it here, there and almost everywhere.

    Prior to 1950, the bacteria were winning. With the discovery of penicillin and the other antibiotics, we started to win the battle against bacteria and have done so for the last 50-60 years or so. But the bugs have upset the apple cart, because of abuse of antibiotics, inter alia.

    But it is not a shock to me that we have Klebsiella because the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. is a rat-infested, rubbish-strewn, health and safety hazard

    As I have said repeatedly, there is no correlation between rats and Klebsiella.


  2. @GP

    Do you agree – if we are to go by reports coming from the QEH last week – that the bacteria in question has gotten out of control?

    Do you agree that the reason it has gotten out of control is correlated with questionable hygiene practiced at the QEH in recent months?

    Do you agree that if there is a general belief that hygiene culture at the QEH has to be improved it lends to some correlation with rats sighted in and around the QEH?


  3. @ David
    Both you and Hal are confusing two different positions.

    A person who ignores their children in their youth have no right to expect that such children will have any great commitment to their welfare in their old age.
    As Alvin seems to suggest then, such persons OWE IT TO THEMSELVES to make such provisions for their old age as they can.

    If you sell all that you have then you must be prepared to buy all that you need.

    If you play the a$$ as a child and do not use the education opportunity – be prepared to make up in you old age with hard work or to suffer.

    OBVIOUSLY on the other hand, as a Christian society we should forgive, and honour our parents etc….BUT WUTLESS PARENTS HAVE NO RIGHTS to expect such forgiveness….
    …and those who DON’T get forgiven have only themselves to blame…. …and the children who fail to forgive the wutless parents will THEMSELVES pay for their errors…someday.

    ….and just because Bushie UNDERSTANDS Karen’s compromised position and why she would resort to a 2X4 in her frustration DOES NOT MEAN that she will not pay the price of what she is sowing…

    KARMA don’t care about our excuses….


  4. @ Bush Tea

    I think you are confusing the argument. What I am saying is that the child owes it in his/her heart to support the parent, not that the parent should expect it.
    You cannot make children grateful if they do not want to. What I went on to say, based on Western liberal cultural history, is that in our culture we put a strong moral obligation, later enforced through law, that parents have a duty to support their children until they reach maturity.
    Then for a short period they go off, the boys to sow their wild oats, before establishing a family of their own, then they have an obligation to support their children, giving the grand parents ‘freedom’ in their early old age. But as they mature, and diseases and infirmity develops, then the parents have a cultural obligation to split their responsibilities between older children and their parents, and the cycle goes on.
    But, in our modern age, young children are now experiencing four generation with great grand parents.
    In all these instances, if relationships break down, the state steps in. I further believe that the family should be strengthen and there should be tough social obligation on those who have responsibility – children, grand children, etc. and that should e reinforced in law as it in in certain Asian nations, the so-called Confuscian societies.
    The breakdown of the family structure is a major social problem in black societies in the west – the US, UK, Caribbean, Brazil.
    In a Christian society we owe an obligation to our elders, not just our parents and grand parents. Just ask the Indians and Muslims in our country.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    David
    Unlike most BU posters, I dissect the content of an article for its structure, sequence and substance.

    In my last post I did this for the first paragraph to expose the errors in the Microbiology made by the author and presented some basic information, for the edification of your readers. Perhaps you did not understand my contribution.

    The only way we cannot control bacteria is if there is resistance! Forgive me for being technical, but here is a list of the Primary Mechanism(s) of Resistance
    Penicillins and cephalosporins: Production of beta-lactamases, which cleave the beta-lactam ring structure; change in penicillin-binding proteins; change in porins
    Aminoglycosides (gentamicin, streptomycin, amikacin, etc.) Formation of enzymes that inactivate drugs via conjugation reactions that transfer acetyl, phosphoryl, or adenylyl groups
    Macrolides (erythromycin, azithromycin, clarithromycin, etc.) and clindamycin
    Tetracyclines: Increased activity of transport systems that โ€œpumpโ€ drugs out of the cell
    Sulfonamides: Change in sensitivity to inhibition of target enzyme; increased formation of PABA; use of exogenous folic acid
    Fluoroquinolones: Change in sensitivity to inhibition of target enzymes; increased activity of transport systems that promote drug efflux
    Chloramphenicol: Formation of inactivating acetyltransferases

    Again I will point out David rats are associated with leptospirosis which is caused by a spirochete. There is no correlation between Klebsiella and rats. Klebsiella is a commensal that lives normally in the gut.


  6. If a parent is ignorant during their lifetime why should the offspring sustain similar ignorance by being uncaring and inhuman? No it is not written that the children should respond in a caring manner but as Hal stated, as humans we have a duty to perpetuate the idea that the family unit is supreme. Again as he correctly stated the BLACK race as been the poor for our callous ways.


  7. @Doc GP

    Your point is received and understood!

    The rebuttal – which you have missed – is that the QEH issued an alert about Klebsiella and its spread at the hospital. Why have we had an increase in infections which has escalated in the last 18 months? Is it because of an undisciplined culture which pervaded the facility leading to its spread? Can we extrapolate and say a similar attitude may lead to a growing rat population at same facility?

    Not trying to be picky Doc just trying to show how everything is connected, eventually.


  8. @ Georgie Porgie

    I know I promised not to continue this discussion, since you have missed sthe point and would not change no matter what is said.
    Plse read the introduction in full, and not just a sentence. I am not a microbiologist and am not debating the microbiology of the disease. What I did mention in passing what that the drug-resistant disease is the result of an unhygienic environment and the abuse of antibiotics.
    If you are saying that is not so, then the rdisease ki am what
    I commonly accepted view here in the UK to explain our MRSA, another hospital infection, is wrong.
    What I am discussing is health economics, the social policy strategies around the way we use the health care budget.
    That is what I weant to discuss. This means analysing long term care, the most common health care issue (ie obesity, |HIV/aids|), diet, lifestyles, etc.
    I want to discuss the need for a Bds$800m hospital in Christ Church, while leasing out the St Joseph. What ar e the conditions on that lease, does it include that all emergencies in the North and ||North East of the country must be treated at the privately owned St Joseph Hospital?
    I am talking about an annual report on the st ate of the nation’s health by the Chief Medical Officer to parliament.
    I am talking about guidance from the medical authorities, and especially the ministries of health and education on nutrition, keep fit, etc.
    What I do not want to talk about is the science of hospital disease, that was never the intention nor can that be how it is read, unless one has a warped sense of deconstruction.
    Let us talk policymaking. The science discussion is a straw man.
    If you want, let us talk about Big Pharma and the medicalisation of ordinary social problem, such a grieving as a mental problem.


  9. No wonder the black family is in such a sorid state and finding it hard to cope withfamily problems cause the values that once kept the family has become extinct and eroded because of selffish thought causing an erosion of biblical proportionsand the dessimination that has uprooted and destry the family and the moral fabric that once held the family together

  10. Alvin Cummins Avatar

    @David and Hal.
    First let me commend Georgie Porgie for his excellent contributions and scientific explanations of drug resistance in bacteria. to Hal, you must not make contributions; essentially trying to give the impression that the recent cases of Klebsiella infections are due to unhygenic conditions at the QEH and incompetence in the health care professionals and not expect to be strongly challenged by people who know better. It must also be accepted that changes in lifestyle contribute to uncaring attitudes among younger folk. Anyhow to leave that aside. Why do you ant an annual report to Parliament from the Medical Officer of Health? Is it done in the UK. The people of Barbados are constantly updated on everything pertaining to health in the island. Contrary to your belief, as I told you before guidance is given on keeping fit, living a health lifestyle, there are constant advertisements on television, radio, and billboards about the need for lifestyle changes, especially with reference to HIV/AIDS.You should consequently refrain from giving the impression that NOTHING is being done.What do you mean (specifically) about “policy making” in this regard? As Georgie Porgie said drug resistant bacteria occur by the bacteria themselves developing defense mechanisms, including changes in the genetic and molecular mechanisms in the cell. At the genetic level drug resistance genes utilize mechanisms that pump the antibiotic back out of the cells and thus render the antibiotic ineffective.
    In addition persons can take the necessary steps of washing their hands when going to visit patients, utilising the hand cleansing containers that have been strategically placed all over the hospital, etc. Judicious use of antibiotics will also help. But Hal you must consider the effect of your remarks on those who are less well endowed, intellectually, than you and who will accept what you write without question. That is why Georgie Porgie and me, among others, will have to challenge you.


  11. @ Alvin

    I like being challenged. It is one way of improving my knowledge. But you to seem to miss the point.
    Drug -resistant bacteria is the result of an unhygienic environment and the abuse of antibiotics. Are you saying this is not the case?
    Hospital infections are common all over the world and it is generally agreed that this is the cause. If there is another explanation, plse say, given you have already confirmed this in your replay.
    Barbados has one of the world’s highest HIV infectivity rates for under 25 yr olds, and according to the Nation, sexual promiscuity is rampant in our secondary schools. Extra marital promiscuity is also common among married people, both men and women. The school kids get their examples from the older people.
    But again, like a broken disc, let me go back to my main point.. I am not talking science, but policymaking, are we spending our health budget prudently?
    About the chief medical officer submitting an annual report to parliament, that is called democracy, a word not often mentioned. In fact, all public bodies should be compelled by law to, including ministries who should be forced to submit an annual business plan.
    All public bodies in Britain do, although I am not saying this is why we should.
    The point is to have an informed community.
    This is what I want to discuss. I know policy issues are not a big topic in Barbados agenda, but let us try it in this room.


  12. @ Hal
    Where exactly is Bushie confusing the argument? Are you really saying then that “โ€œIt does not matter if an absent father did not look after you when you were small, in a Christian society we must larn to forgive.โ€…….and therefore the level of neglect of our elderly is difficult to explain?

    Bushie is saying that IT DOES MATTER that too many parents are neglecting their children in pursuit of wealth, selfish sexual satisfaction, laziness, and plain wutlessness……AND AS AS RESULT we are seeing a high level of abandonment of these parents when the get old….

    What is confusing is you and David seeming to suggest that parents can somehow neglect their responsibilities AND YET EXPECT to be looked after when they become a burden to their children.. ….remember it is ONCE a man…TWICE a child…..

    If we have now adopted a lifestyle where commitment to family is being sacrificed for other things like money and self satisfaction THEN those old fogies need to properly prepare for their second childhood themselves….
    If you know that you dissed your children, then save up for a nice retirement home….and stop complaining

    If ya sell all ya got, ya gotta buy all ya need….


  13. @ Bushie

    Congratulations. You got it in one. I am saying precisely what you have said. Even if you absent father did not give your mother a cent to support you as a kid, on reaching maturity you have a moral obligation to treat him with decency and fairness, without reference to how he treated you as a kid.

  14. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    We seem to live in a world where folk want to dictate terms to you.
    I pointed out clearly that when reading any article, one should examine it for sequence, structure and substance, and in debate that one should use facts to refute rubbish.

    In my posts so far today, my aim has been to edify the readers and correct the rubbish Microbiology proffered in the first paragraph. What I have written is sound and can not be refuted. .

    I have not missed any point. Unlike the average BU poster I am not singling out one point to ponder. I have started to dissect the article by pointing out incorrect issues in the first paragraph.

    It seems that my contribution is not respected so I will let you fellas continue to press forward with your particular biases, instead of a systematic examination of the article..


  15. @GP

    For godsakes let us get pass Hal’s article and discuss the reality that is the QEH and healthcare in Barbados.


  16. @ David

    You are right. Let us discuss real issues instead of trying to score points.
    There are rules for deconstructing narratives, and GP’s approach is not it.
    He must get beyond the first sentence. By the way, have you noticed the number of doctors in danger of being removed from the medical register. I think the public deserves a full explanation of the reasons why.


  17. @Hal

    Your last comment was touched on earlier. Some doctors have not met the requirement because they are about to retire and can’t be bothered, have some more training to complete the requirement or just not responded to Medical Council based on the new requirement to maintain license. No doubt Professor Mickey Waldrond will comment in due course.

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/docs-off/


  18. Georgie Porgie wrote “It seems that my contribution is not respected”

    I respect your contributions GP.

    I have refrained from this discussion because I don’t share the opinions of many with regards to the QEH and doctors in Barbados.

    I also feel that people need to take more responsibility for their own health.Prevention is better than cure.

  19. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David
    Obviously you have not learned anything or you are not willing to learn from what I have taught arising from the BS in the first sentence of the article.

    Asstin wants to teach me now how to systematically analyse a piece of prose. What a joke.

    Well this is what I think of the second sentence

    How does the author know that the doctors objections to certain unsavory practices in alternative medicine is due to their โ€œcompulsive, arrogant, obstinate greed.โ€ Should doctors not object to certain unsavory practices in alternative medicine in Barbados.

    Does the author know that most herbal compounds do not contain adequate concentrations of the agents on the labels. (Note that I have studied Herbal Medicine, and in constant contact with a cousin who is not only trained in Medicine but has actively practiced several alternative modalities for over 30 years.)

    Can the author prove that the doctors do not care about patient care, nor about the general welfare of ordinary Barbadians, and that their protests about certain unsavory practices in alternative medicine in Barbados are wrong, and not just an issue of self interest?

    Can the author prove that the doctors care only about their own bank accounts? Does he know that hospital doctors and clinical tutors would rather not have old folk who have been dumped occupying limited hospital beds.

    Does he know that hospital doctors and clinical tutors would rather have these beds for other patients with interesting conditions and pathology about which they can teach? Or was the author just engaging in oral methane effluxes?

    How can doctors stop granny dumping? Should expensively educated people not think about their own bank accounts?. Is that a sin.

    i gone this time


  20. David wrote “For godsakes let us get pass Halโ€™s article and discuss the reality that is the QEH and healthcare in Barbados.”

    Let us hear some specific complaints based on bloggers personal experience.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    some more training to complete the requirement or just not responded to Medical Council based on the new requirement to maintain license.

    THE DOCTORS DONT HAVE ANY MORE TRAINING TO GET DAVID. COUNCIL SEEMS TO WANT DRS TO ATTEND FORMAL CONTINUING MEDICAL EDUCATION. IN OTHER WORDS COME TO BORING MEETINGS THAT THE ESTABLISHMENT HOLDS.

    I USED TO GO TO THESE IN THE 80’S AND 90’S
    OFTEN SPONSORED BY PHARM COMPANIES
    CONDUCTED BY SPECIALISTS USING PPTS WITH STANDARD INFORMATION
    OFTEN YOU LEARNED VERY LITTLE THAT IS NEW
    HIGHLIGHT OF THESE SESSIONS WERE THE HILTON FISHCAKES

    THERE IS LOTS YOU NEED TO LEARN ABOUT THE MEDICAL HIERARCHY IN BIM

    REMEMBER SCHLOSBERG INCIDENT?


  22. @ Georgie Porgie

    GP I am not putting you down, nor am I trying to teach you. In my youth I was offered an opportunity to be a don and turned it down.
    I bow to your medical knowledge, but do not to your knowledge of heath economics or social policy – nor indeed to social philosophy.
    The point I was hinting at is that deconstruction is substream in philosophy, dominated by the French in the 170s and 80s, philosophers like Jacques Derrida, and members of the Frankfurt School.
    The one thing I do not do is throw away old university notes, as my wife will tell you. I am hoarder.
    And with respect, and not being arrogant, I have sat through more lectures on French Philosophy than was good for me.
    You have your own method of analysing a narrative, which I have no objections to.
    As I said, I want to discuss health policy.

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    I will get to health policy when I am ready
    You may not know it but I was able to affect health policy in Barbados in 1985, and I had the joy of seeing things that I advocated here on BU in 2008 being implemented in St Lucia last year.

    Re Few Barbadian doctors, aware that their profession is about public health and not just money-making, have raised their heads from the trough that is taxpayersโ€™ money to battle for improvements in the state of public health.

    What METHANE! PUBLIC HEALTH IS A SPECIALTY! Because of the efforts of Sir Maurice Byer and many others we have a very good public health system. Individual doctors support the same by reporting the required information to the authorities.

    How can a Dr battle for improvements in the state of public health, when a death ear is presented by the authorities. Even GP (who David and ASSTIN thinks is a moron) has battled on BU from overseas for the same. In the last 5-6 years, has it not been the stupid GP that has sought to enlighten BU readers about all things medicine?

    Now today I hear David with his for heavens sake telling me what to discuss. I will discuss what I want when I am ready? I dont see him try to control the bulls shit drips that is the daily fare on BU


  24. @ GP

    I do not think you are a moron. Rather, I think you are an intelligent doctor. And I admire you influence on public health policy.
    All I am asking you to do is to debate some of the policy issues I have raised, instead of stropping.
    We all make contributions to our professional areas, I am in this blog because I want to contribute to the development of policy in Barbados.
    I have spent a lifetime contributing to policy in Britain and many people have appreciated it, but I owe it to Barbados – to the people of the Ivy, to those poorly paid teachers at Belmont, St Giles and Combermere, to the people who make me still feel welcome when I drive through the Ivy.
    I am not doing it for an ego thing. I am too old and I am not one of those who want to work until they die.
    I do not know of many people that the Chinese have invited over to teach their young people. There must be something they had seen and like.
    So cool down and out of our discussion may come one or two ideas that the ministry may take on board. That is the purpose of debates.
    By the way, all my God children have followed me in to journalism – now that is something to be proud of.


  25. @GP

    The Medical Council is supported in law to ensure doctors refresh. If they want their license they have to adhere to the law. It is what it is.

    BU puts licks in people who can hold them. God knows you have held your fair share n BU over the years. Why do you think this be the case GP? Remember you are in the BU and not some crusty online university forum…lol.


  26. And GP if you want BU to start a topic with a one sentence introduction (nothing for you to dissect) – ‘Healthcare Barbados Style’ just say so.


  27. @Hal Austin “It does not matter if an absent father did not look after you when you were small, in a Christian society we must larn to forgive. It is what makes us humans.”

    Theological nonsense.

    Before forgiveness come repentance.

    It is amazing how many people want to be forgiven, but nobody, nobody wants to repent.

    I say again fathers and (mothers) who have abandoned their children DESERVE to be ignored in their old age.


  28. @Hal “70 per cent of the children born in Barbados are from one parent”

    No child is ever born from one parent.

    In the whole of human history it has NEVER happened.

    If 70% of Bajan fathers choose to bugger off, then when they become old they DESERVE to be abandoned.


  29. @Hal “I would give an arm and a leg now to have my maternal grandmother cook for me”

    But would you give an arm and a leg to change you maternal grandmother’s diapers, for two or three years until she dies? Would you give an arm and a leg to wipe her shit off the floor and walls, and furniture, and to wash it our of her hair and yours?

    Every grandson loves their granny when when can cook for them, and wash their dirty dishes afterwards. But how many love her when they have to clean her shit.

    Tha is what we ae talking about here. If yu do not understand the difficulty of caring for the very old and teh verysick, than how can yu presume to advise on policy?

    Elder care is not about having granny cook for us.

    Caring for the very sick elderly is ALWAYS about cleaning shit and piss.

  30. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    The Medical Council is supported in law to ensure doctors refresh. If they want their license they have to adhere to the law. It is what it is.

    I WILL BET YOU A FORTUNE THAT THIS NEW MOVE BY THE COUNCIL IS AIMED AT THE COMPLIMENTARY PRACTICIONERS

    I TRY TO SHARE WITH YOU THE FACTS

    IF CME’S ARE NOT INFORMATIVE THEY ARE USELESS

    IN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES SOME DRS ATTEND CME’S REGISTER AND GO SHOPPING OR PLAY GOLF OR RUN AROUND WITH THIER OUTSIDE WOMEN. THEY GET THE CME CREDITS FOR JUST SIGNING IN NOT PARTICIPATING.


  31. @Doc GP

    You are probably correct but this new regulation was put in by Minister Inniss before he was demoted and replaced with Boyce. Is it reasonable to conclude Inniss implemented with the support of Waldrond and company?


  32. @David the blogmaster “We need to protect our aged, they are are not dogs.”

    But David some of our aged are dogs.

    LOL!!!!!!!

    They were dogs when the were young, and they are still dogs now.

    I have more than one friend/relative in more than one country who tell me that they have to shift the old men who try to feel up their bubbies as they go about their work bathing, and feeding these old men.

    You tink some old men easy?

    You and Hal need to talk to some real, real people who have to provide care for some real, real very, very difficult old men.

    Just because an old man never try to feel you up it does not mean that they do not try to feel up the women providing care for them


  33. @Bush Tea “Bushie is saying that IT DOES MATTER that too many parents are neglecting their children in pursuit of wealth, selfish sexual satisfaction, laziness, and plain wutlessnessโ€ฆโ€ฆAND AS AS RESULT we are seeing a high level of abandonment of these parents when the get old”

    I agree 100%


  34. @ GP

    Don’t be deterred. At least you have an eager audience of two! Me and Hants.

    @Bush Tea and Simple Simon

    I agree with both of you re the irresponsible fathers. I would like to see the day when my son’s father who is now going blind and wants to see him gets any help from my off spring. He never once did anything for the child. My son does not even know the dog.

    If there was no care, nurturing, love or bonding, why expect a child to have any feelings for, or look after the old fools? The Christian thing would have been for these men to acknowledge and live up to their responsibilities. I pat myself on the back for not brain washing my son with any religious nonsense.


  35. @Pat

    One should never be guided by the actions or behaviour of another but by YOU based on a value system which guides YOU as to what is right or wrong.


  36. Dear Dr. GP:

    Yesterday I asked you to take on Hal Austin, and you have, and I thank you.

  37. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Thanks Pat
    Simple Simon, I just tried to comment on most of his paragraphs and point out any errors I perceived or/and give useful information to the BU readership.
    I tried to deal with what was presented rather than picking out afew points and dealing with those.

    In Barbados, health policy is set by the politicians and their close allies. Doctors dont have a say unless it is for political expediency. The fellas only listened to me in 85 because they had not then yet implemented the NHS that they had promised in 1976 before they got into office.

    Its now 17 years since I spoke to David Simmonds about breath analysers……….and I can go on.

    Similarly doctors cant go against the medical maguffies. Sloshberg was correct in 1989 with his findings………..but he was villified because he didnt keep quiet and say what the chief guru said he should say. We all might remember the bad behavior displayed by our top doctors on tv then.

    Information given to the public by certain doctors is given when they want to force the governments hands. So we are not to get too emotional.

    All this registration stuff is about the profession closing ranks against the complimentary fellas. Go figure

  38. Alvin Cummins Avatar

    @David,
    First of all thanks for obtaining a copy of The Royal Palms are Dying. I hope you enjoyed it and will obtain a copy of The Wind Also Listens which is better, and when Yeshua A.K.A. Jesus The Nazarene is published (shortly) you will obtain a copy because that is better than the other two, although I am sure it will cause some controversy. With regard to your request to “move on”, like Georgie Porgie I cannot let Hal get away with some of the nonsence he is postulating. He still wants to attribute the presence of antibiotic resistant bacteria to unsanitary conditions in the QEH, or as he puts it “unhygenic conditions”. Nosocomials can become established simply by being brought into the environment from outside. An individual with MRSA in his/her nose can come into the hospital (not as a patient) and by not observing the rules and reegulations; such as hand washing etc. can establish the organism. Then the authorities have the difficult job of getting rid of it..
    @ Hal: “Even if you absent father did not give your mother a cent to support you as a kid, on reaching maturity you have a moral obligation to treat him with decency and fairness, without reference to how he treated you as a kid” What moral obligaton> and Why? We are born alone into the world and we will go alone. It is up to the individual…Morality????
    @Georgie Porgie, hang in there. Your contributions are respected and valued. Don’t leave us. Even if one new person learns something from what you contribute it is worth it because many people say thngs and have negative attitudes out of ignorance.


  39. @ Hal
    ********
    “Even if you absent father did not give your mother a cent to support you as a kid, on reaching maturity you have a moral obligation to treat him with decency and fairness, without reference to how he treated you as a kidโ€
    ********
    Nobody disputes the above.
    Not a fellow here has been disputing the question of treating fathers with “”decency and fairness”… That is surely a red herring….!

    The point under discussion is whether such children have a RESPONSIBILITY to assume financial and administrative responsibility for such parents ….and if the LAW should be used to enforce such responsibility.

    The only sane persons who could possibly support such nonsense are those with compromised consciences…. Not even a wutless father would reasonably expect such.

    ….and David, you can’t pass laws to make persons love someone. If you FORCED reluctant children to “look after” their unwanted parents you may be unwittingly inflicting more punishment in their old backsides than even the most wutless ones deserve…..

    Simple Simon is right
    If society feels that something needs to be done about the situation then the answer lies in providing STATE facilities, paid for by taxpayers ….

    …of course the BEST answer is for parents to love and care for their children as best they can and be assured that the children will return the favour OUT OF LOVE AND APPRECIATION when the time comes….

    Your basic point about the situation with medicine in Barbados is sound, and is one dear to Bushie’s heart, but by introducing clearly illogical points in your discussion, you open yourself to easy attack…. Especially when GP and Simple S are in town ๐Ÿ™‚ …


  40. @ Bushie

    We already have such moral and legal duties for our children. I am suggesting this can easily be extended to the other generation, It is already in some Asian cultures.


  41. boy i like how some think finding a solution to societal problems is as easy as one ! two! three! Suggesting that taxpayers pay for the health care for” Wutless fathers in their old age! isn;t it enough that taxpayers might have paid in the financial aid of raising these “wutless” father children.? If by chance these people need care and family is not willing to assist! then the govt should by law if necessary be granted rights to withhold all or partial amounts from these “wutless fathers” NIS payments and putting these funds towards their health care in what would be a fair and just solution
    as it is now some of the elders are mistreated at the hands of family members who get access to these funds and used them at their own discretion which only is of benefit to themselves.


  42. “It is already in some Asian cultures.”
    *************
    So is dog soup….

    Do you ever concede that you may have erred…?

    The OBVIOUS moral and legal responsibility that parents have for the children that THEY brought into this world cannot be logically inverted.
    Even 9 year olds will tell you that they did not choose their parents, but the other way around.

    You would do yourself a great literary service by admitting that ….
    1 – resistant bacteria is not a natural consequence of cleanliness, and may in fact occur in the best of hospitals
    2 – your rant about granny dumping was an emotional over- reaction exaggerated by your imminent candidature for such a situation.
    ๐Ÿ™‚
    ….. Bushie too…
    But if you had adopted a bush diet you would have found yourself in the enviable position of being needed by the great-great-great grandchildren for your vitality, knowledge and charm… Lol


  43. Hal
    Go and google Ivan Illich, and may be this discussion shall get a bit more interesting. Remember also that policy development is not done in isolation; you need all the critical partners at the table.

    David
    If the QEH go to where their liquid waste is disposed and isolate some bateriophages then the area could be treated. Whether the bacteria are drug resistant or not the phages shall destroy them. Hal check the russian research.

    Hal
    If you believe your stronghold in the area of health policy put up a piece; if it is in the area of health economics put up a piece. But do not continue to spout the old lectures on philosophy, as if there is no such thing a health philosophy. You should also put up a piece on those great thinkers at Cawmere. Do not cite bumpy Moore, and you can not find another one.


  44. Thanks Lemuel

    Saturday mornings for those who have been around awhile is when we pound the impossible and far fetch theories, even the conspiracy ones. Only person missing was MME. We still manage to provoke the wrath of GP which means all is well…lol.


  45. GP
    I support your contentions; however, at time I think that doctors in Bim are too timid. Yes there is the old boys club, which is now being populated by the old boys sons and daughter, but like Bushie says sometimes you have to suffer for a principle and I have discovered that too few of you take up that challenge. I too have had my rounds with Prof Walrond and his crowd but that crowd needs to be engaged firmly not tip toed around. That crowd has finally been able to get Sparman isolated ; he can not register as a specialist. I would be a bit careful with the alternative medicine folk in Bim; some or mostly medical hacks.


  46. As to one Bushie who always quoting scrpiture this is for thee ” VENGANCE IS MIND SAITH THE LORD!


  47. Simple Simon ,Pat and Bushie …wunna got Hal trussed up for the oven LOLL.


  48. Onions

    Where yuh hiding Miller?


  49. As I have said before, Hal means well but too often he lacks context and evidence.

  50. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    1. David | April 7, 2013 at 8:59 AM |
    We still manage to provoke the wrath of GP which means all is wellโ€ฆlol.
    PLEASE KINDLY NOTE THAT I HAVE NOT BECOME ANNOYED
    Lemuel | April 7, 2013 at 9:21 AM |

    RE GP
    YOU DEFINITELY HAVE A GRASP OF WHAT IS GOING ON RE THE DRS IN BARBADOS

    Enuff | April 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM |
    I AGREE WITH YOU

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