Hal Austin
Hal Austin

Introduction:
As I sat down to write this week’s BU contribution on a pressing financial economic matter, I came across the break out of serious antibiotic-resistant bacteria problems at our only hospital. Those of us familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals would not be surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH. I must admit, it did not come as a shock to me, since a friend and I have only recently been discussing the rat-infested, rubbish-strewn, health and safety hazard that is the Queen Elizabeth Hospital. But it was the compulsive, arrogant, obstinate greed of the doctors behind their objections to alternative medicine that tipped me over in to widening the debate on the future of the health service and long-term care. It is not a concern about patient care, nor about the general welfare of ordinary Barbadians, but rather a determine attempt to co-opt the attorney general in their little game of protecting their money-making interests. To put it in simple terms, we are in a deep cesspit of our own making, typified by the abandoning of the elderly, so-called granny dumping, for which the entire nation should be ashamed, yet all these expensively educated people could think about is their own bank accounts.

Analysis:
There are issues of more pressing concern that doctors should be involved in, such as the mortality rate at the hospital, the high costs of X-rays and MRI examinations, of overall poor patient care by doctors, who attend surgeries as and when they like. Few Barbadian doctors, aware that their profession is about public health and not just money-making, have raised their heads from the trough that is taxpayers’ money to battle for improvements in the state of public health. But, typically, they are more concerned about the continuing rise of unregulated medical practice – so-called complementary medicine – not in the interest of the public, but because this medical practice main block one of their most lucrative income streams.

Doctors are the most expensively trained people in Barbados, whether they are educated at the University of the West Indies or go ‘overseas’ to receive their training. They also have an awful record of picking their fights: against ordinary people who had the good fortune to be trained in Cuba, one of the best medical set ups in the world, while prepared to turn a blind eye to the rise of so-called Chinese medicine, one of the biggest unregulated scams to hit the Western world. But, long-term health care will be the biggest burden on the national economy in the years to come and unless we – that means all of us, including doctors – do something now to control this massive spend, the already-creaking economy will not be able to stand the strain.

Public Health as Policy:
Public health policy is in need of emergency treatment, from the epidemic of obesity, HIV/Aids infectivity, and overall nutritional shortages, to the $800m cost of the proposed new hospital. However, by far one of the most brutal, uncivilised and savage symptoms of this paucity of policy and funding to be played out in public space is that of granny dumping – leaving elderly relatives stuck in hospitals and other public institutions until they are removed at public expense. Apart from the fact that this anti-social act should be made a criminal offence, anyone dumping an elderly (disabled or mentally ill) relative in any public institution should also be automatically disinherited.

We cannot be a society in which inhumane relatives can relieve themselves of any social responsibility for sick and elderly relatives then hope to inherit family assets. More than that, this reversal of sociological history is to retreat in to barbarism: historically there has always been a trade off between generations; parents have children to whom they are obliged to provide care and protection until they reach adulthood; then, as adults, they go off and raise their own families. As their children grow, the older generation, now also grand parents, continue to enjoy their early old age until such time that they cannot look after themselves. Part of our social compact is that their children then perform a dual role; looking after their parents while also keeping a watchful eye on their own children, who by now would be in their late teens or early adulthood. This is the generational trade off that is part of human culture and which is now mainly practised in Asia – the so-called Confucian principle – and to a certain extent in India, although here is it more something talked about then practised. It is only in Western culture that care of the elderly is palmed off to privatised institutions – so-called long-term care – in which their children and grandchildren believe that a weekly or monthly visit usually on Sundays for an hour or so, fulfils that generational obligation. What is compounding this post-Independence brutalism is that with advances in medical science and lifestyle changes have combined to change the structure of the family. Instead of the three-generation extended family (children, parents and grand parents) many young people are now living long enough to get to know their great grand parents, many of whom now live to their late eighties, nineties and over 100. This development will not only re-configure the shape of the family, but will re-write our social obligations to each generation, over and above any impact it will have on the economics of health care.

Preventative Medicine:
The first lesson in good health care, as we have all now learned, is that prevention is better than cure. Good diet, regular exercise, proper rest, cutting down on salt, sugar, unsaturated fats are the ingredients of sound health, and they are the very lesson that the chief medical officer, the ministry of health and individual doctors should be pumping out every day. To reinforce this, government should have a basket of fresh fruit and vegetables, virgin olive oil, fresh fish, well sourced chicken and minimum red meat, should be zero-rated for Value Added Taxation. Policymakers should accept that the short-term loss of taxation could provide incredible long-term dividends in terms of a healthy nation. To this end, it will be cheaper in the long-term for the state to establish a number of leisure centres, complete with gyms, than to focus our health spend on the hospital and medical emergencies.

Science V Tradition:
Part of the mis-education of a former colonised people is that the victor writes the rules. Part of this cultural dominance is the promotion of Western medicine over that of traditional communities, who, through trial and error (the traditional equivalent of the Kuhnian revolution) have worked out which plants are best for which disease. Western science over-ruled this for over a century, but now even this is in reverse as the Big Pharma companies trawl the world looking for fauna and flora, and even the DNA of some people, in which to develop new medicines. In fact, not so long ago the government and medical establishment in Barbados allowed an American biotech company to come to Barbados and take the DNA of one of our ,many centenarians to order to get their lab technicians to develop a medicine to prolong life.

We can be sure that, apart from what they have already received, neither the family nor the nation will benefit from that intellectual property right when it comes on stream. That, I suggest, is the price of ignorance and is something that senior doctors and politicians should have protested loud and hard about at the time. Instead they remained silent, a silence enforced through their collective, embarrassing ignorance. But Western-based medical science versus traditional medicines will continue to occupy health scientists, health economists and social policy experts.

Big Pharma, Big Money:
Doctors all over the Western world are in the hands of the global pharmaceutical companies. It is in their commercial interest to medicalise ordinary aches and pains, develop a medicine for them, then charge the world. It is how they make their billions and little states like Barbados must push back against this dishonesty, now allow our self-interested doctors to encourage us to spend more. If you want to really read about this US$800bn Leviathan, see Marcia Angell’s The Truth About the Drug Companies, Merrill Goozner’s The $800M Pill, Jerome Kassirer’s On the Take. They also provide good background information on why the entire pharmaceutical industry, so-called Big Pharma, is up in arms against Obamacare.

Analysis and Conclusion:
Barbadian doctors have a lot of questions to answer: we want to know doctors’ death rates, their failed operations, when they are late for appointments, their continuing professional development – in short, if they are professionally fit for purpose. This is information that should be made publicly available, especially to people undergoing surgery. Worldwide, doctors routinely botch operations on unfortunate patients which only come to light by word of mouth or if one is related to a victim. Either in Barbados we have the best doctors in the world or a number of patients are botched, even killed, without as much as an inquest. With no proper patients’ representation, no political enthusiasm for taking up constituents’ issues and the historic deference Barbadians have for so-called professionals, being a doctor in Barbados is almost a licence to murder. But doctors have a greater social responsibility beyond their clinical presence, such as for example when middle aged women have to undergo a hysterectomy or any other serious and life-threatening operation only to be discharged from the hospital within hours because insurance companies do not want to spend the money on their care or there is a shortage of beds. This is an ethical issue, and not one of finance, and doctors should intervene to warn insurance companies that they are putting their patients at risk. But do they? There are areas of medicine and health that we should be actively involved in, if not leading the world: sickle cell, prostate cancer, type-two diabetes, etc, which have a high ethnic and cultural correlation. But their greed has confirmed the urgency of the need for health care reforms, restricting the business and private practice of contracted health service doctors and imposing a strict demarcation line between the expertise of doctors and the care and welfare responsibilities of nurses.

175 responses to “Notes From a Native Son: Is Greed Now Part of the Hippocratic Oath?”


  1. So Hal Austin where are your grandmas and grandpas? Who is looking after them? You? Somebody else? I have some siblings who live in the great white north who gave me hell rather than provide a minute or a dime to look after our elders.

    So unless you have spent more than a decade and spent tens of thousands of your earning looking after you elders you can’t talk.


  2. And in Barbados it is daddy dumping, not granny dumping. Most Bajan grannies are well looked after by family at home. A lot of the men who get dumped at the QEH id not look after their children, and now their middle aged children don’t care if daddy (in name only) lives or dies.

    And a lot of these daddies (in name only) deserve to be dumped.


  3. @Hal “Barbadian doctors have a lot of questions to answer: we want to know doctors’ death rates, their failed operations, when they are late for appointments, their continuing professional development – in short, if they are professionally fit for purpose. This is information that should be made publicly available”

    Agree.


  4. While we worry about Klebsiella let us hope this does not enter our house:

    Beware : Deadly new bird flu strain hits China

    BEIJING (AP) — Scientists taking a first look at the genetics of a bird flu strain that has killed three people in China said Wednesday that the virus could be harder to track than its better-known cousin H5N1 because it might be able to spread among poultry without showing any signs.

    The scientists, at several research institutes around the world, urged Chinese veterinary authorities to widely test animals and birds in affected regions to quickly detect and eliminate the H7N9 virus before it becomes widespread.

    They said the virus is troubling because it can infect poultry without producing any symptoms, while seriously sickening humans. The virus, previously known to have infected only birds, appears to have mutated, enabling it to more easily infect other animals, including pigs, which could serve as hosts and spread the virus more widely among humans, they said.

    The findings are preliminary and need further testing.

    China over the weekend reported two deaths in Shanghai in the strain’s first known infections of humans. On Wednesday it announced an additional fatality — a 38-year-old cook working in Jiangsu province, where other cases also have been reported.

    The cook went home to Hangzhou in Zhejiang province for treatment after falling ill in early March, and died March 27.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    dAVID
    THANKS FOR THIS RANT BY THE MEDICAL ILLITERATE HAL ASSTIN
    VERY ENTERTAINING


  6. Even in the best of hospitals in other countries the medical authorities have a chore in keeping some illnesses at bay. In Canada I keep reading about outbreaks of C Difficile among the elderly in hospitals and long care facilities


  7. @GP

    Take it you don’t agree with Hal?

    @Sargeant

    You are correct. BU’s concern is that the QEH was battling Klebsiella for the last 18 months and there was never a mention of it. Is this lack of transparency protocol? Was the hospital guarding its legal public liability position?


  8. Incidentally some people with recurrent C Difficile infections have been helped by “ Fecal Transplants” and one of the local hospitals are seeking volunteers with the problem to be part of a trial for randomized tests.

    Fecal Transplants eh……..! No shit the real thing has been used, however to ease the queasiness factor synthetic poop is being made in the lab, stay tuned


  9. Correction:
    It should be co-opt


  10. While hospitals are known to be petrie dishes of infections, the public should be made aware, you don’t want to catch some deadly bacteria while visiting a patient, bacteria lives in hospitals. It angers me that the authorities in Bim stubbornly insist on keeping valuable information away from the public until it all hits the fan……………why can’t they see it is a sickening practice…………then again, you can only see if you have vision.

    Doctors are famously arrogant, it affects patients the most when they don’t upgrade their skills and do refresher courses, cause they know it all. Case in point…………Dennis Bailey from Bailey Clinic…………..some of the advertise skills they were never trained in, that could be deadly to patients, but their only concern seems to be seen driving a mercedes or some such piece of garbage, they only think of small island prestige..


  11. Well Well
    I do not see your point. Bacteria are all around you and the rest of us. Most of them keep you alive; harm comes when they like Fracture start drilling or working in the wrong place. For example, if bacteria normally do they work in the anus, and you, or especially Fracture as he sticks his member where it should not be, caused them to start working in a new environment then that is when harm comes. Remember all living processes deliver waste as a product. That waste in the wrong place can cause harm. Yes, I am talking about the bacteria at the QEH.


  12. David
    Before these so called contributors are allowed to post, at least check they understanding of the subject. Hal is clearly out to sea and most medical professionals would have hearty laugh at the rehash and pasting from various medical and public health sources. Hal does not have a clue of which he speaks. Like most people in England who like him listen to a few medical features on the BBC or watch a few documentaries, he understands little of which he speaks. This is a clear case where exposure to knowledge is exposing true ignorance.


  13. @Lemuel

    Give us two examples of the ignorance exposed.


  14. Normally I would ignore personal attacks, but I am writing about heaklth economics, ie social policy, not medicine or biological sciences.
    The biggest burden on future public debt will be public health. That is an issue for both the minister of finance and the minister of health.
    Think about the burden on the public purse.


  15. David
    I do not want to say much, but Hal is confusing himself. If you want to argue that as a society too much of our financial resources are spent training doctors who seem not to give back to the society, then argue that. Do not mix it up with the philosophical schools of thought as to the efficacy of medicine as an agent of good for modern man. Do not mix it up with the relevance today of public health medical models and approaches. Do not mix it up with the current trend which was perfected in the US of treating medicine and its related processes as a business. Do not mix it up the discussion about medicine or medical as a agent for social good. I could go on and on based on what was rehashed by Hal.

    To someone ,who because of limited knowledge, would not know that although the above presentation sounds good, it attempts to take complex issues and treat them as stand alones while striving to weave them back together in an attempt to make some social point. When the reality is that what Hal has rehashed do not carry the schools of thought or discussion of the issues any further. The latest piece of research along the lines that Hal is postulating here seeks to analyze health as an ecological system; it stresses that only a systemic approach can truly anticipated how health systems should work and how their complex issues should be handled. That research was done in London; my difficulty with it is that it depends too much on evolution being the true reality that describes where the human race comes from.

    I hope the above is helpful.


  16. Thanks Lemuel.


  17. @ Lemuel

    I quite clearly have not made a convincing argument for Lemuel. But is he suggesting that health economics, a huge global burden is not important? Is he suggesting that part of this is not the medicalising or ordinary illnesses and behaviours? The Royal Society of Psychiatrists is now saying that smoking is a mental illness. In time one of the Big Pharma firms will have a cure for it.
    Is she saying that obesity and the many ills it causes are not issues for taxpayers?
    On the philosophical side, is he not saying something about how science is validated? This is exactly what Thomas Kuhn has said, or did Kuhn get that wrong?
    Is Chinese medicine of any good? What about Acupuncture, et al? How about all these health food shops, are they simply exploiting people? How about the money spent by Big Pharma entertaining doctors, is that ethical, or simply economic?
    Which is the best approach to treating the ill, in hospital or in the community?
    Is Lemuel talking about the professional boundaries that doctors (and other professions) fight every day?
    Are nurses a profession in their own right, or the hand maidens of doctors? If so, why not reform nurse training and their careers paths, such as nurse practitioners? Why should a nurse practitioner not be the fist port of call for someone attending accidents and emergencies?
    I am aware that social policy is not a popular subject in Barbados, but maybe, just maybe, Lemuel may know a lot about medicine and the politics of medicine, but not about policymaking.
    As to the cost of training doctors, yes, I believe they should be compelled to repay it – as should all other university trained graduates.
    Taxpayers’ money should be mainly spent in the early years, not at the backend. The result of that is that we have people at university who badly need remedial education.
    Whereas if we spent it in the early years, within 18 years – from the age of five – we will have a far better educated society.
    Lemuel, this is long-term economic planning – right across government. By the way, there are doctors in Britain too, many of them young black people; and some of us have relatives and friend who have to go in to the vermin-infested QEH.
    .


  18. Lemuel………..unlike fracture, i can’t push anything into anywhere…………..However, some years ago there was some really BAD bacteria making the rounds in a couple hospitals in the US, killing patients left and right and visitors were not allowed for some time, these just hovered and murdered…………..so I was speaking about the BAD bacteria……………no one notices the GOOD bacteria, we just inhale them and the absorb into our bodies nicely doing their jobs.

    My point is, when the BAD bacteria is hovering around QEH, the public should be notified…………..it is a public health issue.


  19. Hal
    Who is attacking you personally. Do you believe that you sit on mount olympus and no mortals can differ in opinion from you. Your difficulty is that when it comes to this subject I am very comfortable whether you go micro or macro. Your response alone tells a lot. What you have delivered here does not come close to any health economics discussion;. remember health economics is data driven not social speculation.

    Sir Hal, let me apologize for infringing on your intellectual space, but if you want right thinking people to read what you are spewing please include some modicum of personal knowledge not rehash and your speculation.


  20. Hal
    I have to leave but do not speculate as to what I know or do not know. Remember the macro level has as its foundation the development of polices as drivers for the system. I enjoyed this exchange but I have to go, later.


  21. @ Lemuel

    I am too old to be sensitive to thse things, but a personal attack is one that drifts from the argument to question my right to say what I said.
    To reassure you, I do not write anything in BU unless I have experience and knowledge of it – and I feel equipped to talk about social policy and health economics.
    Nothing I am saying is radical or new, these are issues discussed almost everyday amongst my professional colleagues and friends.
    We do talk about the high cost of public health; we do talk about the state of hospitals; we do talk about the continuing training of doctors; we do talk about the professional boundaries, or does Lemuel think this is exclusively Barbadian.
    More important, as a patient I have a right to a view. I have also shared a house with a British born, London trained black doctor, and on that level had domestic conversation for a long time on the problems of medical politics.
    Don’t forget, Caribbean nurses in the 1950s and 60s formed the British NHS. We do know about public health.


  22. @ Lemuel

    I am not speculating about your knowledge; I am just interest in the view you express here.
    If you want to speculate about my knowledge, please go ahead.


  23. @Introduction:
    :Those of us familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals would not be surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH. I must admit, it did not come as a shock to me,”

    that bacteria is found in EVERY hospital in the world…nothing new, ask real professionals, however, it is now out of hand at the QEH but it has always and will always be there. when u hear that an operation was successful but the patient died from some infection, what do u think it was? why do u think that they advised that children under 12 not be brought to hospitals? u people need to understand fully that bacteria will always be in hospital, not that everyone will catch it


  24. Some people are more susceptible to bacterium than others, however, if there is an outbreak that can escape into the public domain………….the Ministry of Health has an obligation to notify the public and stop keeping these issues that affect the public as state secrets.

  25. DR. THE HONOURABLE Avatar
    DR. THE HONOURABLE

    So what are we going to do ?

    The seeming acceptance of Homosexuality is a sign that the world is coming to end.
    When you accept Homosexuality , same sex marriage and all, you accept that anything goes , that anything can be accepted. This has a snowball effect and every other nefarious deed can be justified based on the acceptance of Homosexuality. When even the Church accepts this abomination, you know that, Its all over..

    Is Greed Now Part of the Hippocratic Oath?
    Answer : Anything goes


  26. Dr. The Honourable……………..they are just making it up as they go along, have been doing it for centuries, if homosexuality will mean more money in the kitty, no one will want to discriminate, it will become law because someone is getting rich…………….all about the money………………just follow the paper………….do you really think anyone of them cares about world ending………..HA………they are still alive to spend, hoard and whore for the paper.

  27. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    dAVID

    AGAIN I THANK YOU FOR THIS AMUSING RANT
    THANKS LEMUEL FOR DEALING WITH THE MEDICAL ILLITERATE

    I AM TOO BUSY SETTING UP A FEW ONLINE COURSES TO TEAR THIS NONSENSE TO THREADS. BUT IT IS AMUSING
    FORTUNATELY THE DISCUSSION WILL BE SHORT BECAUSE THE BU CREW SENSIBLY DONT DABBLE IN MEDICAL DISCUSSIONS


  28. @GP/Lemuel

    To repeat the question: has the QEH acted correctly by delaying the revelation that the Klebsiella bacteria had gotten out of control? Based on media reports this issue was being wrestled with for the last 18 months.


  29. @Hal “The Royal Society of Psychiatrists is now saying that smoking is a mental illness.”

    I agre with the Royal Society. Wyy would any sane person spend tens of thousands of dollars on an unnessary substance, tobacco, which will cause him great harm. He must therefore have an addiction, and I addictions are medical/psychological/neurological illnesses.


  30. Dear Dr GP:

    Please take on Hal. If not today, then tonight after you have finished today’s work. We should not let medical ignorance stand.

  31. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    ASSTIN
    RE Those of us familiar with the various infections that plague British hospitals would not be surprised that Klebsiella bacteria has now arrived at the QEH. I must admit, it did not come as a shock to me, since a friend and I have only recently been discussing the rat-infested, rubbish-strewn, health and safety hazard that is the Queen Elizabeth Hospital.

    EDUCATE US ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN KLEBSIELLA AND RATS

    RE we are in a deep cesspit of our own making, typified by the abandoning of the elderly, so-called granny dumping, for which the entire nation should be ashamed, yet all these expensively educated people could think about is their own bank accounts.
    KINDLY EXPLAIN THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PHYSICIANS AND GRANNY DUMPING
    HOW CAN PHYSICIANS PREVENT GRANNY DUMPING

    RE But it was the compulsive, arrogant, obstinate greed of the doctors behind their objections to alternative medicine that tipped me over in to widening the debate on the future of the health service and long-term care
    DID YOU INVESTIGATE THE OBSTINATE GREED OF THOSE ENGAGED IN SO CALLED ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE IN BIM

    RE Few Barbadian doctors, aware that their profession is about public health and not just money-making, have raised their heads from the trough that is taxpayers’ money to battle for improvements in the state of public health.

    I THOUGHT THAT PUBLIC HEALTH WAS A SPECIALTY
    HOW CAN EVEN PUBLIC HEALTH TRAINED DOCTORS BATTLE FOR IMPROVEMENTS IN PUBLIC HEALTH IN THE FACE OF MORONIC MOE’S

    aND I CAN GO ON BUT THE IPL BECKONS THIS MORNING

    ASSTIN LEAVE MEDICINE FOR THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT


  32. @ Lemuel

    If your questioin is directed to me it has clearly missed the point of the discussion. The decision to make public the drug-resistant bacteria is one for the hospital’s management and the senior clinicians.
    My point, and it is one of policy, is that drug-resistant bacteria come from two main sources: an unclean environment and the abuse of antibiotics.
    Both I know take place at the QEH: emergency exits blocked with old besd and old furniture; I have seen this with my eyes; unclean wa rds; I have seen this with my eyes; and buying antibiotics over the counter without prescription, I know this.
    The discussion is not oone about media reports, that is silly, but about how best to spend the public health budget.
    It is not a medical discussion, but one of policy.


  33. Is it me, or do we have a virtual room who cannot distinguish policy from clinical matters.
    I am discussing health policy and health economics, not clinical matters. This is the last intervention I will make to clarify this.
    On the matter of taking me on, I am scared.

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    ASSTIN

    HOW CAN YOU DIVORCE health policy and health economics FROM clinical matters. HEALTH POLICY IS DESIGNED TO AFFECT CLINICAL MATTERS OR RESULTS FROM CLINICAL FINDINGS

    ASSTIN LEAVE MEDICINE FOR THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.


  35. @ Lemuel

    Examples?

  36. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE Analysis:
    There are issues of more pressing concern that doctors should be involved in, such as the mortality rate at the hospital, the high costs of X-rays and MRI examinations, of overall poor patient care by doctors, who attend surgeries as and when they like. Few Barbadian doctors, aware that their profession is about public health and not just money-making, have raised their heads from the trough that is taxpayers’ money to battle for improvements in the state of public health. But, typically, they are more concerned about the continuing rise of unregulated medical practice – so-called complementary medicine – not in the interest of the public, but because this medical practice main block one of their most lucrative income streams.

    HOW DOES A DR REDUCE MORTALITY RATES AT THE HOSPITAL, OR THE COSTS OF XRAYS OR MRI EXAMINATIONS?

    HOW DOES A MEDICAL ILLITERATE DECIDE WHAT IS POOR PATIENT CARE. UP TO TODAY SOME ONE IS GIVING PRAISE FOR THE GOOD CARE THEY RECIEVED
    CERTAINLY ALL unregulated medical practice SHOULD BE OF CONCERN TO ALL ESPECIALLY DRS

    ANY ONE WHO HAS STUDIED HERBAL MEDICINE KNOWS THAT THIS IS MOSTLY A SCAM AS MUCH OF THE AVAILABLE PREPARATIONS DO NOT CONTAIN ENOUGH OF THE CHEMICALS TO MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE

    ASSTIN PONTIFICATES WITH A DELUGE OF BOVINE EXCREMENT THAT HE CAN NOT DEFEND AND THEN SAYS HE IS TALKING ABOUT HEALTH POLICY AND HEALTH ECONOMICS.

    VERY AMUSING DAVID
    THANKS FOR THIS BIT OF MIRTH PROVIDING BS.

  37. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    RE Doctors are the most expensively trained people in Barbados, whether they are educated at the University of the West Indies or go ‘overseas’ to receive their training.
    DO YOU HAVE STATISTICS ON THIS ASSTIN

    They also have an awful record of picking their fights: against ordinary people who had the good fortune to be trained in Cuba, one of the best medical set ups in the world,

    WHO HAS DECIDED THAT CUBA HAS ONE OF THE BEST MEDICAL SET UPS IN THE WORLD? ASSTIN?
    HOW IS MEDICAL TRAINING IN CUBA BETTER IN CUBA THAN ELSEWHERE?
    WHY IS IT THAT THEIR GRADUATES CANT PASS CAM-C EXAMS? TELL US OH ASSTIN , THOU PONTIFICATOR AND RAMBLER ON ISSUES THAT YOU KNOW LITTLE OFF

    while prepared to turn a blind eye to the rise of so-called Chinese medicine, one of the biggest unregulated scams to hit the Western world.

    I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT LOCAL DRS WERE OPPOSED TO COMPLIMENTARY MEDICINE. ARE YOU NOT CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF IN YOUR RAMBLING RANT ASSTIN?

    But, long-term health care will be the biggest burden on the national economy in the years to come and unless we – that means all of us, including doctors – do something now to control this massive spend, the already-creaking economy will not be able to stand the strain.

    HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT IN ANY COUNTRY? TELL UUS AUSTIN

  38. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    ASSTIN PRATLES ON THUS
    Big Pharma, Big Money:
    Doctors all over the Western world are in the hands of the global pharmaceutical companies. It is in their commercial interest to medicalise ordinary aches and pains, develop a medicine for them, then charge the world. It is how they make their billions and little states like Barbados must push back against this dishonesty, now allow our self-interested doctors to encourage us to spend more. If you want to really read about this US$800bn Leviathan, see Marcia Angell’s The Truth About the Drug Companies, Merrill Goozner’s The $800M Pill, Jerome Kassirer’s On the Take. They also provide good background information on why the entire pharmaceutical industry, so-called Big Pharma, is up in arms against Obamacare.

    HOW ARE DRS IN THE HANDS OF PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES MORON
    SENSIBLE DRS TEND TO STICK TO A FEW PREPARATIONS THAT THEY HAVE MASTERED AND ESHEW THE OLD.
    HOW HAS PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES CHANGED THE WORLD? MOST OF THE WORLD CAN NOT BUY NEW EXPENSIVE DRUGS.

    OBAMACARE IS NONSENSE- IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE, IT HAS TO DO WITH INSURANCE! UNDER OBAMACARE BIG PHARMA DOES NOT GET THE MONEY INSURANCE COMPANIES DO.


  39. @Georgie Porgie,
    You like Tino Best bowling at 10 year olds.

    I will continue to take the advice of my Canadian GP and continue taking my Big Pharma medications.

    I could try some lizard soup but I would be dead before I reach the hospital.lol

  40. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    ASSTIN THE MEDICAL ILLITERATE PONTIFICATES
    But doctors have a greater social responsibility beyond their clinical presence, such as for example when middle aged women have to undergo a hysterectomy or any other serious and life-threatening operation only to be discharged from the hospital within hours because insurance companies do not want to spend the money on their care or there is a shortage of beds. This is an ethical issue, and not one of finance, and doctors should intervene to warn insurance companies that they are putting their patients at risk. But do they?

    HYSTERECTOMIES ARE USUALLY ROUTINE AND COMMON IN MIDDLE AGED WOMEN –DUMMY!

    DRS DONT DISCHARGE FOLK AFTER SERIOUS AND LIFE THREATENING OPERATIONS IN BARBADOS WITHIN HRS. EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BE A SHORTAGE OF BEDS

    MOST PATIENTS IN BARBADOS DONT DEPEND ON INSURANCE FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE

    DOCTORS NEED TO DOCTOR AND ADVISE THEIR PATIENTS NOT ADVISE INSURANCE COMPANIES.

    WHICH SANE DR WILL PUT HIS PATIENT AT RISK?

    TREATING PATIENTS IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF FINANCE AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE IT IS BAD MEDICINE TO PRESCRIBE THERAPY THAT IS TOO/MORE EXPENSIVE WHEN CHEAPER METHODS WILL SUFFICE.

    THANKS AGAIN DAVID
    I HAVE NOT DEBUNKED A LOAD OF BOVINE EXCREMENT FOR A WHILE


  41. @ Georgie Porgie

    1 -Mortality rates are commonly associated with professional competence, in any case it will give the authorities, including planners, an idea of who, why and where the patients are at risk; it will also tell who needs to update their professional skills.
    2 – X-rays and MRI scans have costs, more importantly, since a huge number or private patients are sent to private Radiology practices, it must be transparent if the doctors have a commercial interest in sending patients to those firms. We only know what we are spending if there is an audit.

    3- It is not an exclusive clinical decision about patient care, that is why most hospitals have non-medical executive staff, including the QEH. Managers make those decisions.
    Having said that, I believe it is easier to teach a clinician management than a manager about clinical practice.
    Patient care is as much a clinical issue as it is management. In Barbados dishonest insurance companies are involved in sending home patients too early to save costs.

    4 – in the US, the most scientifically advanced nation in the world (judging by the number of Nobel laureates and the number of patents) complementary medicine is officially recognised.

    5 – It is generally admitted by world authorities, including the WHO, that Cuba has one of the best, if not the best, primary care systems in the world. That was one reason why Che took medicine to Africa before he died.

    6 – Georgie, the point about Chinese medicine is not a contradiction.
    Chinese medicine is now becoming popular because of China’s economic and military might. That is the same point about traditional and modern medicine. The victor writes the rules.
    Traditional medicine is only recognised when a western ‘scientist’ confirms its effectiveness.
    7- Long term care is a problem all over the world, from China and Japan to Europe. It is to recognise that and plan for it. People are living longer, but it does not mean they are healthier.
    Good health care planning is to make provisions for such eventualities.

    8 – Georgie you can divorce health care clinical matters from policy because they are different. Economists and policy analysts determine policy, clinicians determine the treatment of patients.

    Anything else?

    a

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE
    There are areas of medicine and health that we should be actively involved in, if not leading the world: sickle cell, prostate cancer, type-two diabetes, etc, which have a high ethnic and cultural correlation. But their greed has confirmed the urgency of the need for health care reforms, restricting the business and private practice of contracted health service doctors and imposing a strict demarcation line between the expertise of doctors and the care and welfare responsibilities of nurses.

    MOST OF THE RESEARCH IN SICKLE CELL WAS DONE AT TMRU AT UWI MEDICAL SCHOOL ASSTIN!

    PROSTATE CANCER AND TYPE 2 DIABETES IS SEEM MOSTLY WORLDWIDE. AND WILL INCREASE IN INCIDENCE AS POPULATIONS AGE. YOUNG PEOPLE DONT GET PROSTATE CANCER AND TYPE 2 DIABETES

    What is the Bajan high ethnic and cultural correlation of these diseases ? ASSTIN YOU HAVE BEEN COPYING AND PASTING FROM STUFF YOU READ THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BAJAN SITUATION.

    LISTEN TO YOU…………OR YOUR SOURCE But their greed has confirmed the urgency of the need for health care reforms, restricting the business and private practice of contracted health service doctors and imposing a strict demarcation line between the expertise of doctors and the care and welfare responsibilities of nurses.

    ASSTIN YOU AINT KNOW WUH YOU TALKIN BOUT FROM START TO FINISH
    yOU BEGAN BY ESTABLISJING CLEARLY THAT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT KLEBSIELLA IS ABOUT AND THAT RATS CAUSE LEPTOSPIROSIS.

    OVERALL A GOOD BLOB OF BS! ROFLMAO!


  43. Georgie

    One again you are wrong. The most advanced research on sickle cell is done in the US and Britain.
    This is an issue close to my family, and although I do not like mentioning them, a close relative of mine is doing her PhD on sickle cell a promise she made as a little girl when her mother died from complications related to sickle cell.
    Just as interesting, the major sickle cell organisation in the UK is organised by a Bajan nurse.
    In the Caribbean, the Bahamas were ahead of the UWI.
    You are right about type two diabetes, but African-Caribbean men have an above average propensity to develop prostate cancer, and type two diabetes, in the Caribbean community in the US and UK, is again over-represented in the black community.
    These are lifestyle diseases, just as cervical cancer in women is.
    The copying and pasting thing is juvenile. Do you think someone of my age, and experience would resort to copying and pasting.
    At least the young people in my office put it down to accumulated knowledge as an older person.
    Stick to the issues and stop trying to be personal.
    By the way, the rich and wel l connected in Barbados show their confidence in local doctors by flying to Miami every time they have a cold.
    For returnees, it is a flight back to Canada, the US or Britain for NHS treatment. The only people left are those who cannot escape.
    I am sure you know people who go overseas for treatment.

  44. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    RE @ Georgie Porgie
    1 -Mortality rates are commonly associated with professional competence,
    WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THIS DONE? I HAVE SEEN THE MOST COMPETENT DRS LOSE PATIENTS WHEN THEY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING CORRECT BY THE BOOK.
    HOW WILL YOU COMPUTE MORTALITY RATES FOR EACH DR?
    HOW WILL YOU BLAME THE PROFESSIONAL COMPETENCE OF A PHYSICIAN IF PATIENTS DO NOT COMPLY?
    in any case it will give the authorities, including planners, an idea of who, why and where the patients are at risk; it will also tell who needs to update their professional skills.
    THE NEED TO UPDATE PROFESSIONAL SKILLS IS MONITORED BY THE PROFESSION. IN BARBADOS I SEE THAT THIS MATTER HAS BEEN ADDRESSED.

    2 – X-rays and MRI scans have costs, more importantly, since a huge number or private patients are sent to private Radiology practices, it must be transparent if the doctors have a commercial interest in sending patients to those firms. We only know what we are spending if there is an audit.
    IN BARBADOS a huge number or private patients are sent to private Radiology practices BECAUSE THE QEH RADIOLOGY DEPT WAS OVERWHELMED WHEN THE TWO CONSULTANTS WHO PIONEERED THESE SERVICES BEGAN OFFERING THEIR EXTRA SERVICES. . IN BARBADOS a huge number or private patients are sent to private Radiology practices BECAUSE DRS AND PATIENTS WANT RESULTS QUICKLY.
    THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH THE DIAGNOSTIC LABS.
    TRANSPARENCY MY BIG FOOT! HOW DO YOU DECIDE THAT DOCTORS HAVE A COMMERICIAL INTEREST IN REFERRING PATIENTS? HOW? IF I HAVE A LAB OR XRAY SERVICE HOWCAN I FORCE DRS TO SEND ME BUSINESS.
    3- It is not an exclusive clinical decision about patient care, that is why most hospitals have non-medical executive staff, including the QEH. Managers make those decisions.
    Having said that, I believe it is easier to teach a clinician management than a manager about clinical practice.
    Patient care is as much a clinical issue as it is management. In Barbados dishonest insurance companies are involved in sending home patients too early to save costs.
    I DIDN’T DON’T THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES SIGNED DISCHARGE NOTES OF PATIENTS IN BARBADOS. WHAT SANE DR WILL ALLOW AN INSURANCE COMPANY TO DICTATE HOW HE WORKS
    4 – in the US, the most scientifically advanced nation in the world (judging by the number of Nobel laureates and the number of patents) complementary medicine is officially recognised.
    SO WHAT? SOME OF THE WORST MEICINE IN THE WORLD IS PRACTICED IN THE USA INCLUDING THAT BY COMPLIMENTARY MEDICINE PRACTIONERS.
    5 – It is generally admitted by world authorities, including the WHO, that Cuba has one of the best, if not the best, primary care systems in the world. That was one reason why Che took medicine to Africa before he died.
    HAVING A GOOD PRIMARY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM DOES NOT MEAN THAT THE DRS ARE ALL WELL TRAINED. PRIMARY HEALTH CARE CAN OFTEN BE EFFECTED WITH OUT DRS – AS IT IS DONE IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD
    6 – Georgie, the point about Chinese medicine is not a contradiction.
    Chinese medicine is now becoming popular because of China’s economic and military might. That is the same point about traditional and modern medicine. The victor writes the rules.
    Traditional medicine is only recognised when a western ‘scientist’ confirms its effectiveness.

    YOU SAID BAJAN DRS ARE OPPOSING COMPLIMENTARY MEDICINE BUT ACCEPTING CHINESE MEDICINE.

    7- Long term care is a problem all over the world, from China and Japan to Europe. It is to recognise that and plan for it. People are living longer, but it does not mean they are healthier.
    Good health care planning is to make provisions for such eventualities.
    8 – Georgie you can divorce health care clinical matters from policy because they are different. Economists and policy analysts determine policy, clinicians determine the treatment of patients.
    THAT IS THE PROBLEM. HOW CAN AN ECONOMIST OR A MEDICAL ILLITERATE DETERMINE THE TREATMENT OF PATIENTS? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A PATIENT? OR A LOAD OF PATIENTS?
    Anything else? NO. YOU ARE NOT A DR? YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO TRAINING IN MEDICINE OR PUBLIC HEALTH. YOU ARE READING THE OPINIONS OF OTHERS AND REGURGITATING IT. YOU ARTICLE IS A LOAD OF RUBBISH AND VERY ENTERTAINING


  45. On the last six sentences I can concur, if you want a medical report that means anything, an MRI that does not cost $5000 or your health issues to remain private and confidential, you better run from Barbados.

  46. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    By the way, the rich and wel l connected in Barbados show their confidence in local doctors by flying to Miami every time they have a cold.
    For returnees, it is a flight back to Canada, the US or Britain for NHS treatment.

    I FIND THIS TO BE STUPID
    I LIKE IN FL AND FIND THAT ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE IS POOR EVEN WITH INSURANCE


  47. @GP

    Will ask the question for the thrid time. Did the QEH follow accepted communications protocol by hiding the Klebsiellafrom the public?

    Also did Dr. Dennis Bailey practice good medicine when he did that surgery in his office which resulted in death? The purpose of the question is to show incompetence appears even in the noble medical profession.


  48. @ Georgie

    Your arguments are silly and mal-informed, but two can play this game.
    Many of the best surgeons lose patients, that is the nature of the job, many incompetent ones also lose patients, that is the reason for an audit.
    Where in the world is this being done: quaite clearly you have not been reading about the intense debate going on in London about the national health service; just google the North Staffordshire health authority; log on to the General Medical Council, the regulatory body for doctors in Britain, for a long list of cases and the reasons for the hearings.
    Poor medical regulation in Barbados does not mean this is typical worldwide.
    I am beginning to get the impression that doctors and their hangers-ons in Barbados do not like people questioning their authority.
    Why so defensive? Debating is good, have an opened mind. This is what Barbados badly needs, which is one reason whey we are a nation in decline.
    We are always the best, the greatest. Think of ordinary Barbadians before defending incompetence.


  49. Many years ago I worked for health insurance company in New York, they go hand in hand with big pharma, playing tag with patients lives, that’s how they get to boast about billion dollar 3Q earnings, it’s all business. The only people who suffer are the patients.

    The insurance companies in Barbados are in a class all by themselves, small and petty minded, someone has to be aiding and abetting them.


  50. @GO

    Hal is correct, be it George Washington, Philadelphia or Miami Children’s hospital those with money fly out…lol.

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