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It is “alleged” that all eleven members had not seen the draft copy and it is speculation to conclude that the members concerned would have signed the final copy.  Therefore, it is not the situation as was reported in the Nation in their report of Sunday December 11, 2011 which stated:

“ELEVEN GOVERNMENT MEMBERS of parliament (MPs)- including seven cabinet ministers – yesterday affixed their signatures to a formal letter and immediately dispatched it to Prime Minister Freundel Stuart requesting an “urgent” audience.”

One could “speculate” that they would have signed because there was a conversation but that is just “speculation” the FACT is they did not “AFFIX” a signature as reported.

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118 responses to “The Letter: A Question Of Honour And Integrity”

  1. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    There is no disagreement with what you have written.

    Your conclusion further exposes Sinckler the interview as a sham.

    It was a deliberate act to fullfill a bigger plot.

  2. Brief Avatar
    Brief

    Caswell:

    If your employees met to discuss concerns and the one who said let’s meet was asked to approach you but did not imply at any time that he thinks that you should be replaced as Boss does that make all employees at the meeting privy to his intention?

    Industrial relations gurus cannot represent the employees that left without knowledge or inclination of the latter.

  3. Brief Avatar
    Brief

    And asked those employees to apologize to management for plotting to over throw its leader.

    Eleven attended a meeting. My question is did eleven agree to the contents of the letter or even the drafting of a letter. We continue to ignore that.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    @Brief

    Why a letter?

    Why not discuss the matter at parliamentary grou meeting?

  5. Brief Avatar
    Brief

    I am sure that is what I said earlier. Why a letter?

    Parliament does not run an election campaign the Party does. The group should have used the ‘party’ organs (General Council or Executive Council) to say that they want to meet.

    There is an underlying problem – I will agree to that. Haste came with Wickham’s poll. However, were the eleven in haste to even select the person they hope to push during next election? No!!!

    Some went with the understanding that they were discussing the way forward for the Party – Sinckler used words to imply leadership (PM) of the Party – all were not in that frame of mind nor with that understanding at the initial discussion/meeting.

  6. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    PM Stuart should hold a press conference to clarify this issue and to announce the firing of the ring leaders in this juvenile act of stupidity.

  7. David Avatar
    David

    @Brief

    Remind us what you think the motive is by the person who leaked this story to the NATION and mischievously promised a letter with 11 signatories?

  8. true to form Avatar
    true to form

    @David you ae dwelling on the prepherial point. The eleven men had a meeting and came to an agreement. Eleven men cannot write the letter but eleven men can agree to the main points to be sent. if you sit down and agree you have to take responsibility as you are at the place.You know why you went there . You have opportunity You have motive and you have collusion. The fact that you did not sign your name cannot make you innocent at all so if there were two or eleven signaturres that is irrevelant You are maximising the minimum and reducing us to a semantic simplisity which is unnecessay. Think on these things

  9. David Avatar
    David

    @true to form

    We have some things which are not as crystal clear as you are making out.

    Would like to hear the AG on this matter.

    There is a missing link to the story which we are trying to get to the bottom of.

    It does not mean as BU already posted on another blog that the DLP does not have issues.

  10. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Brief

    I hope you are playing devil’s advocate because what you are saying does not make sense. Why would a member of the elected members of the parliamentary group select some of the members that group to discuss the way forward for the party unless there was a conspiracy afoot. The senators are also members of the parliamentary group but they were not in attendance as far as I am aware. Don’t they have an interest in the way ahead for the party? I could only assume that they were excluded because they don’t have a vote in selecting the person who would lead the parliamentary group. I hope you are aware that the leader of the parliamentary group is the Prime Minister. Why summon the group behind the PM’s back? I could only conclude that he was not to be made aware until it was too late for him.

  11. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    true to form

    Your comment at 11:04

    I could not have said it better. You are absolutely correct. I don’t know why others find it hard to understand. But I suppose there is none so blind as those who choose not to see.

  12. Brief Avatar
    Brief

    @David

    The motive in leaking was to show up the leader who would have been promoted as the real choice of the party. However, Kaymar printed the story and made him out to be whom he really is the one who will talk about the intent of the meeting. Even if indirectly.

    Unfortunately, others are being smeared because they were informed of a meeting to discuss genuine concerns – which now implies that they were part of a plot.

    At the time – the PM was preparing to leave – there was a haste a rush to meet with PM – the true reason was hidden – based on what I am hearing. But, we know the PM is not rushed not even by a rush.

    No I am not an insider.

  13. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    All this talk and we are just spinning our wheels, in the end Stuart will not fire anyone he has said he intends to be PM for another term and he will need experienced hands on the tiller, he will not risk recruiting neophytes with no name recognition for the BLP to slaughter..

    Michiavelli wrote “keep your friends close and your enemies closer” or as Lyndon Johnson said about J Edgar Hoover “It’s probably better to have him inside the tent pissing out than outside pissing in”.

    Stuart is a student of history, he will act accordingly

  14. David Avatar
    David

    @Caswell

    Let us agree that we all see issues through different eyes and therefore will raise differing perspectives as a result.

  15. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Brief

    You are really saying that some of the members who attended the meeting were duped. That is no defence: anyone that naive should not be in Parliament.

  16. Brief Avatar
    Brief

    Caswell

    If you know that we need to meet to discuss the way forward as a team, genuinely meet, and another wants your support to appear as the one to have the majority – even if it kills true friendship – that person only have to say to you in a heated moment – ‘leh we meet and discuss this thing before too late’ my words.

    The ten acknowledge to meet – a fraction had other intentions (undisclosed) – a list is made of those spoken to and agreed to meet. Does that make all conspirators? I only need to appear to have your support as a colleague who understands that we have to plan.

    Estwick, Jones and Thompson did not agree to any letter. The letter came afterward – upfront it was only discussion. It is true they did not even know of a letter. Next thing it was in Nation a letter sent to PM. Hey!!!

    It am still awaiting the Nation to print the signatures that were affixed – Can she do that – confirming they knew of the letter? Chris said all did not know of the letter.

    I would be disappointed in right thinking bajans who would deem PM Ag to turn his back on the PM in such a small country as Barbados – Jones would never have any respect in Barbados again for as long as he lives. Also, does Jones have such a heart to deceive Stuart who is a man of sound integrity and uprightness?

    My opinion.

  17. David Avatar
    David

    It seems NATION journalist Ricky Jordan has been following the comments here and has encapsulated many of the opinions expressed:

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/on-reflection-in-a-hurry-to-go-where/

  18. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @sargeant

    Do not be stupid or naive. It is not what Stuart wants once elections are called. His days of being Prime Minister are numbered. Should the BLP win, he will not be PM. Should the DLP win he will not be PM — the majority of DEMS inside and outside of Parliament do not want him. You are close enough to the action to know that even better than I do. Do not seek sympathy for the DLP by talking about what Stuart wants. This is his time now and until he decides to call the general election (the sooner the better).

  19. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Brief
    Re: your comment at 11:40 p.m.

    If the scenario played out as you suggested they had a duty to report the matter to the Prime Minister, otherwise they would be guilty of aiding and abetting. The problem is that they were relying on the stupid Wickham poll to inform their actions. The only person(s) to act honourably was/were the informer(s).

    How can Stuart or indeed the DLP trust them anymore? It appears that they would want to to be in power at any or all cost, even to the extent of joining forces with the enemy to form a government.

    Think on these things.

  20. true to form Avatar
    true to form

    @Caswell i noitce you are using my tag line., continue with permission.

    Let me put my spin on the Chris Sinckler interview with respects to his declaration that he no longer covets the Job of PM.. I exrtrapolate that the intention of some was to remove Stuart.. Some just wanted Stuart to change his modus and become more amenable to the political pressures swirling around him.Chris would have found out ot his chagrin that he is not as popular as he thinks and have now abandoned his interest in the job. It is ok for your friend to say you fit the job but when your colleagues reject you you have to hiold a corner. It think this is the stunning rebuke which Chris cannot handle and he thinks it best to collapse his bid .Where does he go from here. He is going to have some difficulty holding on to his seat marginal as it is. He is against one of the best young candidates in the BLP Gregory NIcholls who promises to bring hell with him and there must be some DEMS who will want ot punish him along witha swing of over 6% now. .He is on a difficult trajectory., but he is a fighter and a street smart individual. he will not lie down and play dead. I have always had a lot of time for Chris .I can only say to him you may be down but not out. Think on these things

  21. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @true to form

    Yes, largely agree. However, there is one addition to what or who he will be up against. Nicholl’s campaign manager is hardly a pushover and definitely is not one to play dead. Chris is in for the fight of his life and each utterance he has made in the past, each utterance he makes now, each utterance he makes in the future, he has been served notice that he will have to account to the people of St. Michael North West. He may be an cheery guy, popular he is not; trustworthy he is not; and ‘forever’ may be his swan song if that campaign manager treats Chris as he deserves. Gregory Nicholls SHALL bring home the bacon for the BLP and for Barbadians with the valued assistance of the people and true friends of St. Michael North West.

  22. David Avatar
    David

    @true to form

    Your last assessment of Sinckler seems sound.

  23. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ true to form | December 19, 2011 at 9:43 AM |
    “He is on a difficult trajectory., but he is a fighter and a street smart individual. he will not lie down and play dead.”

    Now here is a great opportunity for Chris to fulfill a burning ambition of becoming a priest. He has publicly expressed his “self-actualization” goal of joining the Priesthood. In this ministerial role he can exorcise the demons that possess the dlp body politic.
    CS, it’s time to tender your resignation from the broken cabinet and sign up to don a new set of robes and orders of a cleric.
    For once be loyal to yourself and live up to your word!

  24. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Now who the f*ck is Gregory Nicholls, … Oh no not another George Payne protege. Wunna looking to hand Payne more power than a PM or a Party whip nuh. In any event where the hell was this young hopeful, or indeed Edmund Hinkson when the Barbadian public needed their input at a professional level as we fought to stave off the threat of an increase to our Light and Power Bill. NO PUBLIC RECORD, NONE!

    In any event how do you measure his performance as an administrator (remember the BCA and the number of times and manner in which the Bajan team get it ass cut?)

  25. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    As fah Chris, the man dat spin pun a coin on the EPA debate … I seriously hope that he continues to spin …. Spin, spin, spin on the same spot, in mud!

  26. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @BAFBFP

    Again you show your naked ass that is full of SH and envy. Is every lawyer to speak on every issue because you engage your fingers and mouth in the same way that pigs frolic in their filth. If you are so brilliant, the expert on everyone in this world, why are you not running every agency, institution, and the Government of Barbados? Why are you forever so painfully stuck in the filth that you so despise Mr. Brains?

  27. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Hey Mr. PhD-wanna-be … be careful who you pick your fight wid, I lookin’ fuh sport , I lokkin’ fah somebody who know how to share some lix ’bout hey, and dah person ain’ you ..(nor dah Trade Unionist neither fah dat matter)!

  28. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @BAFBFP

    There was a time in my life when I would have requested kindly and in the most colourful language to go and f**e yourself. I have moved on and put such behaviours behind me, so today I ask that God will have mercy upon you and give you the blessing of love. May you have a wonderful Christmas.

  29. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Oh go f*ck yourself, or as the English would say “Up yours” … the fact that such a thought would come into your head in the first place would suggest that your have not in fact moved on. I ain’ want nah mercy and I ain’ wan’ nah blessings, the thought the Gregory Nicholls or Edmund Hinkson could actually win a seat in Parliament is sufficient to guaranty me a horrible time this Christmas. You can be wishing me all these good things and want a future for me with these people in it yah hypocrite …! 🙂

  30. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @ BAFBFP

    Thanks. Now get behind me Satan alias BAFBFP!

  31. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Listen be careful wid dat kind of a comment hear. Caswell convince that I still in the closet … and he speak as though he has experience in these matters… suppose he right. You still want me to get behind you this Christmas? It is after all a time of giving and receiving …!

  32. true to form Avatar
    true to form

    Everybody hates Chris but Chris shows that to love himself is the greatest love of all..Chris shows a political sagacity which will stay the PM’s hand and make him wonder or consider if he has any moves. If he believes Chris and the Pm believes that they are all involved and he futher believes some one who was there can say to all you were there any atempt to change one for the other would be replacing Judfas with Judas and maybe with who has no balls. That would be tragic.So the interview has backed Stuart in a corner. He cannot go to his backbench , There is none. He cannot reduce his cabinet without fierce criticism.and he can do nothing. He is in a Pandora’s box. He cannot be seen to ‘unfair’ one for the next, there is no ringleader. They are all ringleaders not that all would have got the same results but they were in it for same purpose or purposes. Can they say touch one touch all? Or can they believe they will go back to the bloodletteing and the back stabbing which characterised the DLP before?. I would say that we are going nowhere fast. Think on these things.

  33. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    Think on these things what … Chris Sinkler come from the Garrison Secondary, he ain’ got nah business in Parliament …!

  34. lemuel Avatar
    lemuel

    When they were making a decision on the PM when David died, the consensus among the “old school ties” was that they were not supporting a garrison school boy. It seems that Sinker thought that he was adopted by that group for it seems as though they single handedly destroyed him politically.

  35. BAFBFP Avatar
    BAFBFP

    lems

    Ah boy, that’s the spirit …

  36. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    @GCB

    Do not be stupid or naive. It is not what Stuart wants once elections are called. His days of being Prime Minister are numbered.
    ******************
    I asked you the following in another thread “Are you running for something?” It appears that way or you are auditioning for a pick when/if your BLP forms the Govt.

    As to your comment you can mark me as stupid or naïve or perhaps both but I don’t know if the majority of Dems want Stuart or not just as I don’t know if the majority of BLPites want Arthur or Mia but Stuart is still the PM and leader of the Party and has the “bully pulpit”. If he wants another kick at the can who is going to stop him? The DLP MPs realize that the letter was similar to a Tanto with which they almost committed political seppuku, they will not be going down that road again.

  37. Samuel Morrison Avatar
    Samuel Morrison

    Brief I agree with your assessment.

    “Estwick, Jones and Thompson did not agree to any letter. The letter came afterward – upfront it was only discussion. It is true they did not even know of a letter. Next thing it was in Nation a letter sent to PM. Hey!!!

    It am still awaiting the Nation to print the signatures that were affixed – Can she do that – confirming they knew of the letter? Chris said all did not know of the letter.

    I would be disappointed in right thinking Bajans who would deem PM Ag to turn his back on the PM in such a small country as Barbados – Jones would never have any respect in Barbados again for as long as he lives. Also, does Jones have such a heart to deceive Stuart who is a man of sound integrity and uprightness?”

    The PM seems to have much confidence in Ronald Jones loyalty and trustworthiness as he has acted as MP on the occasions that stuart was out on Business. I read in the Advocate Newspaper that Jones stated in a press statement after Tuesday last story that he never authorised anyone to put his name on a letter neither did he affix his signature to any such letter. I am aware that they would be much speculation as to why his name was included. I would want bloggers to consider a few questions.

    1. Did Jones support Stuart in October last year to be Prime Minister?
    2. Did Sinckler only garner a few votes in his quest to be PM?
    3. Would Jones have changed his views in the year under review?
    4. Can anyone see Jones supporting Sinckler
    5. How about the MP’s from St. Philip don’t they stick together?

    All the MP’s names from St. Philip were mentioned. That seems strange as they usually create a clan mentality. Touch one touch all. Something seems strange. Was there a more sinister plot. Was part of the plot to destroy the credibility of the mentioned 11 or some of the eleven? How many of that group supported Stuart and continues to do so. If you remove Stuart support are you not able to control him then. Wasn’t Ronald Jones not also a target of this activity. We need to think more on these matters.

    George Brathwaite and Causewell Franklyn are spinning their wheels as usual. Pay no attention to them. I await Brathwaite paid for by Government PHD to be completed. Maybe that will take another couple of years when the University he attends gets tired of him.

  38. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Samuel Morrison

    Not only do you not know of what you speak, but your waiting seems to be in vain. I only hope that you could do a little more to encourage other people. Do not worry about me, else the envy will eat you out. Good investment by the Government of Barbados, don’t you think? Now go feed at your trough!

  39. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Sargeant

    Stuart can lead the party into the next election. It does not mean he will become the Prime Minister according to our laws.

  40. David Avatar
    David

    @George

    Although your last comment is factual it seems irrelevant if Stuart were to lead his party to victory given current realities.

  41. ac Avatar
    ac

    Davis “Good Leadsership is why we are at this stale mate.and it is up to PM to demonstate to those in the Party who might have thought otherwise of him.Good ahead Stuart “strike while the iron is hot”

  42. David Avatar
    David

    What resonates after reading the Sinckler interview is his lack of outrage at the NATION for going to print with a letter without signatories, saying the letter was sent to PM Stuart. Shouldn’t he have been a little upset in his use of language?

  43. ac Avatar
    ac

    Never once in the interview did he show any contempt towards the NATION. it is as if he was there to defend himself come hell or high water. He should be ashamed of himself for doing the interview in the first place. Mr Stuart must have lost total respect for that man. i don’t know how he is going to survive in an hostile environment one which he created and which he was very much a part of . Chris Sinckler is truly a work of “ART” Unbelievable!

  44. David Avatar
    David

    Editor in Chief’s have been known to reign if not apologize.

    Eva Hoeke Quits as Editor-in-Chief of Jackie

    Following a recent publication in Jackie magazine, issue 49, a worldwide outcry arose over an article on page 45 entitled “De Niggabitch”, which refers to Rihanna and her style of dress. This word is used in America as slang.

    http://parlourmagazine.com/2011/12/jackie-mag-editor-eva-hoeke-quits-following-rihanna-niggabitch-debacle/

  45. Checkit-Out Avatar
    Checkit-Out

    David;

    Really! Apples and Oranges!

    Would an apology AT THIS STAGE help Kaymar and the Nation if the 4 or 5 threateners bring court cases with potential millions in damages against the Nation? Wouldn’t it be accepting some sort of liability to apologize now? Wordsong has an agenda. I don’t think you have one.

    Again, Why would the big Nation Shareholders, through their Board of Directors, not have reined in Kaymar when she was apparently setting them up to pay huge damages which would almost certainly kill the Nation? The only reason could be that she held the trump cards in bullet proof undeniable facts. Sinckler’s unbelievable interview that defied all logic suggests that in spades.

    Sinckler’s interview tells those who can read between the lines that the Nation had the provable hard goods on the 11 and was, unfortunately, playing cat and mouse with them, all with the prior knowledge of the BoD.

    Those MPs can’t win no court case. I suspect that this is a very convoluted case with several wheels within wheels. Nothing is as it appears on the surface. I suspect there were 2 letters and there were at least 2 and possibly 3 leakers. I suspect the original draft with names was leaked to FS soon after it was drafted. CS is, I suspect, also not being entirely honest in his portrayal of the events in the Nation interview.

    What is now of the utmost imprtance is what FS will do and when he will do it. If he forbade Cabinet to meet last week as is reported here on BU and if he indeed held an extraordinary Cabinet meeting yesterday at ILARO COURT and if some Cabinet members appeared very uneasy after that Cabinet Meeting, all coming out of BU posts only, that should be telling us something of where FS is heading. He is playing his own Cat and Mouse game. (perhaps following up on tangential involvment in the Nation’s cat and mouse game with the 11 last week)

    The next few hours should have major developments. Not days, not weeks but hours. If it lasts into hours, next year will be very choppy, politically, for the MPs as well as for all of us in Barbados.

  46. WordSong Avatar
    WordSong

    Of course I have an agenda. The agenda is this: respect the tenets of the Fourth Estate. Did The Nation Newspaper lie or not lie. This story could have been running without the current discussion about the lapse in ethical standards if Ms Jordan had seen it fit to wait. For that she and the Nation owe the public an apology. @Check it Out : Do you not see that the story would have been far stronger without the manipulation, that the Nation would not have to seek to redeem itself. And, please speak for yourself. The agendas here are many. At least mine is non political. I merely want the Nation to acknowledge that it should not have come to the public with an untruth. That is not done in journalism, not if you respect the public, not if you respect yourself. BTW, I am speaking for many people including some inside the Nation newsroom. What can the Editor in Chief now say to her junior staff ?

  47. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Check-it-out

    You are intelligent, discerning, and almost completely accurate. I say no more. You have spoken and persons should attempt to understand what you have said. Well written!

  48. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Wordsong

    When anyone claims non-political I know that I am hearing wrong. The only non-political persons are in the grave, the sea, or ashes. To say non-political is to pat me on the back and say we are friends; empty rhetoric.

  49. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @David

    There is more than meets the eye. The nation will do no such thing as to apologise and the MPs will hardly go to court while they still form the government or are interested in recapturing the government. They have been emasculated and left the Queen to replace the Jack.

  50. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @David and BU

    All we need now is for the Prime Minister to expose the Joker. He has the information and details; and I am confident he will act in due course.

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