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The Late Colonel Muammar Gaddafi

The imperialist powers under the NATO slogan today continued five hundred years of genocide, murder and thief against the peoples of color of the world. It is particularly horrifying to see the world powers which just a few months ago were begging Muammar Gadhafi to buy their military materiel to better control his population are now having their useful idiots drag his bloodied, naked body through the streets of Sirte. Having been the victim of a NATO strike as he fled battle and having been captured, a mob proceeded to shoot a virtually defenceless man to the head and then concocted a fairy tale about battlefield crossfire. The pallbearers, like vultures were quick to commandeer the corpse. These included the milquetoast war president with the Nobel Peace Prize – Obama, the Zionist Sarkozy, Cameron and Hilary Clinton. They were quick to justify a cruel United Nations Resolution sponsoring a fourth generation humanitarian war supposedly for the protection of the Libyan civilians from a ‘tyrant’ but whose real interest was regime change. Regime change could allow the powers to better exploit the natural resources of Libya in order to sure up the collapsing French and British economies.

We are well aware that the conservative majority within this readership can’t wait to mouth the well known critique of Muammar Gaddafi (and his sons), largely because we expect them to be viewed as the other. Please permit us however to register our own frustrations before we tender some of his admirable qualities. Maummar Gadhafi and his sons ruled too long and too brutally over loving peoples; they squandered much of the wealth of the peoples; lived lifestyles that seemed inconsistent with some tenets of Islam; was said to be the plotter of the Lockerbie bombing; was said to have bombed a discotheque in Frankfurt; was said to have imprisoned, tortured and killed many of his fellow citizens; was a site used by the Americans and the NATO Alliance to torture suspected ‘terrorists’; invited to Libya then disappeared Imam Musa Sadr, the Shite Lebanese holy man and his companions; gave irrational responses to legitimate calls for popular political ‘democracy’ and used the military against unarmed civilians which in itself meets the definition of war crimes and crimes against humanity as defined under the Geneva Conventions of 1948. None of this and more has been properly denied.

As a ‘civilized’ society though, we must consider the utility of having people executed without judicial review and where this barbaric conduct could lead us. And now that Obama, the custodian of human rights, has executed American citizens extra-judicially we must ponder the extent to which his actions set a precedent for other leaders of the so-called ‘free world’? And how is this behavior any different to that of the so-called tin pot Dictators westerners constantly complain about? Should the leaders of the world powers not themselves be cited for war crimes, or could they continue to insist on victors’ justice? Is the International Court of Justice (ICC), with the exception of the Serbian war criminals, meant solely for African Leaders and the other ‘enemies’ of the West?

The imperial hubris of Barack Obama is in this regards much worse than that of Bush, the younger. Bush warehoused his presumptive enemies at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, Bhagram Air Force Base, Afghanistan and many other secret prisons around the globe under the near absence of standard judicial processes. These actions represent war crimes and crimes against humanity that the ACLU and others have argued for. But Obama is seeking to avoid Bush’s pretense about justice with detention centers and tribunals by breaking all international laws through the extrajudicial killings of Anwar Al-Awlaki, Bin Laden, Abdulraham al-Awlaki, the sixteen year old son, and many others. In addition, for every one suspected terrorist Obama says he kills in the Afghanistan tribal areas and the border regions of Pakistan there are about 141 documented innocent men, women and children who died and which Western media never mention. They are of little importance.

In addition Obama is killing people every day in the famine stricken country of Somalia using drone aircrafts. Yesterday he murdered 26 Somalis using predator drones. In Yemen, the American president feels it is fit and proper to murder civilians even in circumstances where the Yemeni peoples, in their millions, are fighting the oppressive Western-backed, Saudi sponsored, brutal dictator Ali Abdullah Saleh. One can only conclude that Obama’s war doctrine is predicated on the notion that the blood of people of color is less valuable than the blood of white people. Those of us in the peace and justice movement suspected that Gadhafi would soon be eliminated once we saw this ‘prince of peace’ deploying 100 American soldiers to Uganda supposedly to fight rebel there. It was the said Gadhafi who had worked tirelessly to frustrate the American attempts to set up the Africom military apparatus on African soil as consistent with American policy of full spectrum dominance. The African Union, under Gadhafi leadership had decided that Africom should not be provided with military bases on the continent. Further the removal of Gadhafi not only opens up Africa to American militarism but also has implications for the wider geo-political, geo-strategic machinations of the West as they try to counter China’s global rise.

It was Gadhafi who helped to open up Africa to the Chinese. It was Gadhafi who supported global liberation struggles in the sub-continent and elsewhere. Gadhafi funded many projects in Africa. It was Gadhafi who apologized for the Arab role in the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade; Gadhafi thought Libya to be a black African country and deemphasized Arabism; he was the one who set up an African development model to rid countries from the vultures of the IMF and World Bank. He was the significant mover behind the African Union. His country has no national debt. He had long converted much of Libya’s wealth into gold and Libya was a leading country as measured by its relative holdings of reserves. He found water in the desert and piped it for miles to his peoples. It was Maummar Gadhafi who greened large areas of the Libyan Desert. Every Libyan is entitled to education, health care and a house after marriage if one could not be afforded. If medical care was unavailable in Libya citizens were sent abroad. Libyan resources are owned by Libya to the envy of French and British corporations.  It was Obama’s military industrial complex, as the controller of NATO, which provided the assets for the French, British and a coalition of the willing to destroy Gadhafi. We consider however that Libya will not sit quietly and allow Cameron and Sarkozy to feast on its corpse.

Few of us are saddened by the end of the Peoples’ Socialist Libyan Jamahiriya founded through the Al-Fateh Revolution of 42 years ago. It comes at a time when dominos are falling all over North Africa and the Middle East and may soon extend elsewhere. Our reading of the geo-strategic circumstance suggests that several other Western backed fiefdoms and/or dictatorships in the region are likely to follow. These could include Bahrain, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. We are not however, unconvinced that the so-called Western democracies or even China will be sheltered for this global revival of the revolutionary spirit of 1968 that is erupting everywhere around the globe. While the US will like to see instability in China and is continuing a strategy to encircle China it is unlikely the USA will want to see the fall of the most autocratic dictatorship of all – Saudi Arabia. However, demonstrations are continuing apace in the eastern provinces. When the House of Saud starts to burn no one in the West will be able to put it out.


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  1. @Chekit-out
    You are a clever fella, you got the point that the peeps on this site supporting The Murderous Col Q/G dont have a bloody clue what life was like for the people of Libya under this madman. I dont have all the facts either and surely don’t know how to ascertain the truth.

    The ardent supporters here want to deny that he was a viscous bastard because he pretended to want African Unity. Given his dictatorial persona it actually is very likely he just wanted a bigger EMPIRE, but that probability is buried by those that want to believe that The Col was being purely ALTRUISTIC! Probably some of the same peeps that believed that BO was going to really help black Americans, when indeed it was the Wall St crowd that put their $$$$$$$ behind BO!


  2. @BAFBFP

    I have not got a “snowball’s chance in hell” of being the biggest asshole on this site as long as you are here and continually spewing your love for heinous, murderous dictators. You seem to think this BS is supportable by saying how hypocritical, evil etc the West is. What obviously does not cross your mind is that almost all politicians are EVIL MOFOs and that dictators are WORSE! Criticising the West is fine but attempting to argue that dictators like Assad, Sadam etc are somehow angelic is ridiculous.

    You et al like to pretend that you are on the inside track and others such as myself are victims of the international media. Please stop and consider that you maybe far more the victim of some leftie agenda than you appreciate.

    The biggest liars extant are the Global Warming crowd BUT loads of people have been sucked in. Much of their PROOF is JUNK SCIENCE! They are not even clever enough to realise that the first culprit of any Warming could be Solar Cycles. The Sun is obviously the most powerful heat source around. So it must be eliminated before spending $BNs on solving the wrong problem.


  3. It is funny but expected that there is an attempt by some writing here to interpret the objection the methods used in Libya, the blatant disregard for international law and the implications of this for future actions worldwide, not to mention the strange bedfellows chosen and the implications of these associations, into an allegation of ‘support’ for Gaddafi.

    Yet, none has countered the references to the Al-Quaeda soldiers and especially the military ‘rebel’ leader, why they will see an improvement in human rights under ‘Sharia law’ and the implications for Israel and ME peace.

    They will merely rabbit on about getting rid of a dictator.

    Well yes, he was. No one ever said not. As I said before, it is comforting to know that the Police here can drag drug lords out of their beds, beat them and make them go away, with support from some of you. We need to get rid of these pariahs from society, we have not been able to as yet, and while such as I and BAFBFP will rely on the law to do its job, the methods in Libya as supported by some of you, applied here will work wonders i.e. the end justifies the means.

    Maybe you are right after all. Lastly, here is the list of countries which need ridding of dictators and scumbags who put the countries and poor citizens as last behind themselves:

    North Korea – dictator, Mexico – drug lords, Syria – authoritarian government, China – authoritarian government, Cuba – dictator, Saudi Arabia – dictatorial regime (heirarchy the same thing), Zimbabwe – dictator (elections a sham).

    That is just a start, Nato has much work to do.

    I am sure it is irrelevant that only Saudi Arabia has oil, but they are ‘allies’ (despite funds provided to extremist Islamic groups).

    Remember, do not miss the wood for the trees.


  4. @Chikkenlikkel

    No way China will be attacked because it is not in the ‘interest’ of the US and EU to do so.

    China is an important economic partner which supersedes the same concerns of a country trampling human rights/freedom of expression ant the like.

    The double standards and hypocrisy is suffocating.


  5. Chikkenlikkel | October 26, 2011 at 5:01 AM |
    It is funny but expected that there is an attempt by some writing here to interpret the objection the methods used in Libya, the blatant disregard for international law and the implications of this for future actions worldwide, not to mention the strange bedfellows chosen and the implications of these associations, into an allegation of ‘support’ for Gaddafi.

    Yet, none has countered the references to the Al-Quaeda soldiers and especially the military ‘rebel’ leader, why they will see an improvement in human rights under ‘Sharia law’ and the implications for Israel and ME peace.

    Well said……very well said!!


  6. @David. Yours represents a misreading of the geo-strategic circumstance around China. I dont have time now but ask yourself why China is being encircled on all sides by US forces. Also, why are there growing tensions in the South China Sea, Taiwan etc.


  7. @Pachamama

    The issue is not about understanding the geostrategic/geopolitical, it is about whether China and the others are authoritarian countries


  8. @ DAVID

    OFF TOPIC>>>>

    HAS “SHAKESPEARE” BEEN UPSTAGED & DEBUNKED BY 17TH EARL OF OXFORD – Edward de Vere?

    YOU DECIDE BELOW…


  9. @ ZOE

    I posted the above videos to open up the minds of the BU audience that as human beings, we are “NOT” prepared for what is about to hit us…(the irony is – even average people are issuing “WARNINGS”)…

    We sit and argue about “PLANTED” (thank you GP) dictators, political cronyism and “NON”-existent “LEADERSHIP”; pseudo-economic realities and the sophistry of LIES* about our “LOCAL” & “GLOBAL” economies…

    In the shadowy process, the vast majority of us are “lost in translation” not realizing that we’re approaching “the sum of ‘ALL’ our fears”…

    The question most refuse to acknowledge is – HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR THE INEVITABILITY OF WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD?

    And for those who are “IGNORANT” of what those “DISASTERS” will be – you may want to have ZOE* to elucidate and expound on the lucidity of “PROPHETIC” exegesis given the DOOMSDAY* CLOCK and our closeness to the end of the “AGE”…


  10. @TMB: “I posted the above videos to open up the minds of the BU audience that as human beings, we are “NOT” prepared for what is about to hit us…(the irony is – even average people are issuing “WARNINGS”)…

    As someone who doesn’t watch much TeleVision because it is so *very* slow… Could you please tell us, in language (which I know you are very good at) EXACTLY what is predicted?


  11. @TMB: “The question most refuse to acknowledge is – HOW DO WE PREPARE FOR THE INEVITABILITY OF WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE ROAD?

    Most of us don’t claim to know the future.

    When we ask you to explain how you know the future, you run back to a little book (of many) written by humans; and lose all credibility by those who can think for themselves.

    Sigh….


  12. Balance

    For me there are no deities, no reason to explain all this that we call life, for if there were a reason, there would have to be an explanation for the likes of you. Mind you, you are not a problem. The fact that there are many many (a vast majority) of “people” who would react the way you would whenever White powerful people exert their will on others is THE problem. There is no reason for you (all), there is no reasoning with you (all). You simply exist and so do I.

    So endeth the reading


  13. @BAFBFP… Your immediate above sounds somewhat Buddhist.

    In the short form: “There is no god; the Universe reflects.

    Namaste.


  14. Gaddafi apparently considered Condoleezza Rice his African flower


  15. The truth finally:

  16. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ TMB:

    “And for those who are “IGNORANT” of what those “DISASTERS” will be – you may want to have ZOE* to elucidate and expound on the lucidity of “PROPHETIC” exegesis given the DOOMSDAY* CLOCK and our closeness to the end of the “AGE”…”
    Sounds very interesting! Tell me more, what do you mean by the end of the AGE? Which Age? The age of Christianity denoted by its motif of the two fishes or the age of Pisces as the Sun positions itself on the equator of the galactic cross for its reversal journey through the 12 (13 to be exact) houses over the next 26,000 years (approx.) with it next stay in the house of the water bearer according to Luke 22.9-10??


  17. @Chickenlikkel
    It is funny…….

    Actually I agree with what you wrote there! I just dont appreciate when commentators go overboard in glorifying DEMONIC actors that kill their countymen by the thousands for sport. Some people here don’t seem to accept that there is evil on both sides in these conflicts, and motivations that are far from pure. Most so called leaders will do anything for $$$$$$$$$$.


  18. I got a post that was addessed to balance. It should have been addressed to Moneybrain …


  19. Terence, All of the indicators, economic, financial, social, moral, spiritual, are in a terrible FLUX, drift, in all nations, even the unspiritual man, knows in his heart that something terrible is going to explode, be it a worsining of the economic crisis, or even WAR at a level never seen before, WW-III, of course, many including some believers, are in wilfull ‘denial’ of the realities that face us all daily.

    But, as we are warned, and reminded from God’s Word, “…that you may be MINDFUL of the words which were spoken BEFORE by the Holy prophets, and of the commandment of us, the Apostles of the LORD and SAVIOUR, knowing this first that SCOFFERS* will come in the LAST DAYS, walking according to their own LUSTS, and saying, ‘Where is the promise of His (Jesus) coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of Creation. For THIS they WILFULLY forget that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world that then existed perished, being FLOODED with water. But the heavens and the earth which are NOW preserved by the same WORD (of God) are reserved for FIRE* until the DAY OF JUDGMENT and perdition of UNGODY MEN. But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the LORD one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The LORD is not slack concerning HIS promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that ANY should PERISH, but that all should come to REPENTANCE.” (2 Peter 3: 2-9 Emphasis added).

    As it was in the days of Noah, who patiently, in obedience to the LORD, went about building the Ark, all the while preaching Righteousness, to the then, wicked, EVIL, generation of his day, who SCOFFED and laughed at Noah, UNTIL, it was TOO LATE!!!

    Such, Terence, is the behaviour in today’s End-Time scenario, as witnessed right here on BU. But, we don’t know how many quiet onlookers, are reading what we post, our duty is to deliver and proclaim the Gospel of Christ, the results are left entirely up to The Holy Spirit, who ALONE can convict any man’s heart of SIN, Righteousness, and Judgment!


  20. @Zoe (and TMB)…

    So then, I ask again, what does your book PREDICT?

    Or are we simply meant to be afraid by what is happening around us?


  21. @CH
    You asked, quote, “Or are we simply meant to be afraid by what is happening around us?” Unquote.

    I warn……. No, CH, one does not have to be afraid or even care about what is to befall us. We all have our freedom to choose that which we prefer. However, what we do not have is the right to choose the consequences. . . . . . . whether they be good or whether they be bad. Those consequences have already been determined by The One, the Great I AM. So go figure.


  22. @de hood: “I warn……. No, CH, one does not have to be afraid or even care about what is to befall us. We all have our freedom to choose that which we prefer. However, what we do not have is the right to choose the consequences … Those consequences have already been determined by The One, the Great I AM. So go figure.

    Your above suggests that we have no free will, and that we should be afraid.

    Sorry. I don’t believe that.

    I don’t have that small a mind.


  23. @CH

    From the quotation below we do have free will. We are free to either choose life or to choose death. Your choice, my brother. And, this is my last comment on this.

    27 “Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself.
    28 And now, my sons, I would that ye should look to the great Mediator, and hearken unto his great commandments; and be faithful unto his words, and choose eternal life, according to the will of his Holy Spirit;
    29 And not choose eternal death, according to the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein, which giveth the spirit of the devil power to captivate, to bring you down to hell, that he may reign over you in his own kingdom.”

  24. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ de hood:
    “from the quotation below we do have free will. We are free to either choose life or to choose death. Your choice, my brother. And, this is my last comment on this.”
    MAN HAS NO CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO DEATH.


  25. @de hood… Might you tell us what Book you are quoting from?

    Because it seems your quoted language gives man free will, but we have the option of either believing in what you believe, or burning in hell forever.

    Might there be a third (or many other) option(s)?


  26. @ CH
    As I said, Sir, YOUR choice. Whatever opinion you may have does not change the facts, or bother me in any way. And, I did say there would be no further comment from me on this.

    @ miller………..
    I am not going to be drawn into a matter of semantics on your part. What I have quoted I have quoted.

    @ CH
    Yes, of course, you may have the reference…………..if I so choose to let you have it. BUT, would it really make any difference to you?


  27. @de hood: “Yes, of course, you may have the reference…………..if I so choose to let you have it.

    Since you are condemning me to hell based on your particular book, I would very much appreciate the reference.


  28. “MAN HAS NO CHOICE WHEN IT COMES TO DEATH.”

    @nnuki, Man, you have so much to unlearn; and so much to learn!

    The English word DEATH, is rendered from the Gk word ‘Thanatos’ in God’s Word, the Bible, meaning, ‘separation from, or to separate’ NOT cessation of existence, soul sleep, or annihilation, in other words, at physical death, the ‘spirit/soul’ IS SEPARATED FROM the body, and if the person was NOT ‘Saved’ Justified, Born again, their soul/spirit IS then separated eternally in Hell, from God’s Light, Love, and Glory.

    Conversely, the English word rendered LIFE, from God’s Word, is Zoe, a quality of existence, communion, and fellowship, with our Heavenly Father, in, by and through Jesus Christ, the Only Mediator between God and man.

    One can be alive physically, biologically, intellectually, volitionally, and STILL be SPIRITUALLY DEAD; there are multitudes of spiritually DEAD people walking the earth!!!

    So that when Almighty God said, ‘Choose LIFE or DEATH’ it was in the ultimate context, of either, Everlasting conscious, PEACE, and GLORY with Him, which is TRUE LIFE. OR, Everlasting conscious torment and misery, separated FROM HIS PRESENCE, which IS spiritual DEATH!


  29. @ CH
    I would definitely be one of the least when it comes to any condemning. I am not so sure that you really want to know but, if you insist, you will find the particular quote in The Book of Mormon- Another Testament of Jesus Christ, 2 Nephi 2:27-29. Now you may use that information howsoever you choose but I warn you, Sir, please don’t trifle with it.


  30. @Guy Fawkes

    Finally the truth
    **************

    It is not the truth that matters in many things it is what one thinks is the truth.


  31. @de hood: “Now you may use that information howsoever you choose but I warn you, Sir, please don’t trifle with it.

    Why not?

    Is that bullshit any more sacred than any other holy text?


  32. @ CH

    Just as I thought……………….you have not disappointed me with your response, Sir.


  33. I did extensive posts on ‘Mormonism’ here on BU, a while ago, exposing the blatant false doctrine, of this ‘Cult’ and its founder Joseph Smith et al Mormon false prophets.

    Here is a brief look at why Mormonism is false.

    A logical proof that Mormonism is false
    by Matt Slick

    Mormonism teaches that God used to be a man on another world and that he became a god (this is called exaltation) and came to this world with his goddess wife. He was able to become a god because he followed the laws and ordinances of the god he served on another world. That god in turn was exalted by his god, who was exalted by his god, ad infinitum. In other words, there is a progression of gods being formed as far back as you look in time.

    Truth does not contradict itself. If I gave two statements about a subject and the two statements contradicted each other, then you would know something was wrong. The law of non contradiction states that something cannot be both true and false in the same sense at the same time. In other words, truth does not contradict itself. This is basic logic. That which is true is internally consistent and contains no logical impossibilities. If something does contain a logical impossibility, then it cannot be true.

    Mormonism teaches an infinite regression of causes. This means it teaches that each god was made a god by a previous god. This further means that as far back as you look in time, this process has always been occurring. In other words, from an infinity of time in the past, the Mormon plan of exaltation (becoming gods) has been in effect. The only problem is that this is logically impossible. Since it is logically impossible, this means that Mormonism is false. Let’s look closer.

    There cannot be an infinite regression of causes, i.e., a god that exalted someone to godhood, who exalted someone to godhood, ad infinitum. This is logically impossible. Why? Because you can not cross an infinity.

    In other words, in order for us to get to the present state of this god on this planet, there would have had to be an infinite number of exaltations in the past. But, this cannot be because in order to get to the present, you would have to transverse an infinite number of exaltations. But that is impossible since you cannot transverse an infinity — if you could cross (transverse) an infinity of time, then it isn’t infinite. Therefore, the Mormon system of infinite regressions of exaltations to godhood is impossible and Mormonism is proven false. Simple.

    Another way of looking at this is to ask what is the first cause of exaltation to godhead? To be exhalted means somone (a god) would have to perform the action of exaltation (as Mormonism teaches). But, if there is an infinite number of exaltations (an infinite number of causes of exaltation), then we could never find the first cause because there wouldn’t be one. If there is no first cause, then there can be no second, no third, etc., and there could never be a sequence of these events to occur.

    However, Mormons will not give in to a logical proof since their testimonies are not based on facts, but on what they claim is a testimony of the Holy Spirit. Of course, all cult groups have testimonies that their church is true (proving that testimonies are contradictory and untrustworthy as a means to determining truth). Nevertheless, they are taught to “feel” theological truth, not think it through.
    How then do they respond to this logical proof that Mormonism is false? Normally they say that it is a mystery. Mysteries are fine, but they cannot suffice as an explanation if they contradict logic. In other words, if a principle is blatantly illogically, it cannot be true. Did you get that? It cannot be true. Saying it is a mystery means nothing if the proclamation of that mystery violates the laws of logic. Mormonism is proven false.

    What is the truth?
    Okay, so if the Mormon principle of eternal regression of exaltations is logically impossible, then what is the truth?

    The truth is that there is a single uncaused cause. Logic necessitates that there must be a single being who is without beginning and upon which time has no meaning or affect who is the single uncaused cause. The Bible says that God is unchanging (unlike the Mormon god) and that he has been God from eternity. This is exactly what logic necessitates as being true. The God of Christianity is not an exalted man from another planet with a goddess wife. The God of Christianity has always been God and has never been anything else.

    Check out the following verses.

    •”For I, the LORD, do not change; therefore you, O sons of Jacob, are not consumed,” (Mal. 3:6).
    •”Before the mountains were born or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God,” (Psalm 90:2).
    What is sad is that this simple logical proof, and it is a proof that Mormonism is false, will mean basically nothing to those whose spiritual eyes have been blinded by the god of this world.

    •”And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves bondservants for Jesus sake. For it IS God who commanded LIGHT to shine out of darkness, who has SHONE in our hearts to give the LIGHT of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.” ( 2 Cor. 4: 3-6).

    The Book of Mormon, is a terrible perversion of of the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the word of God, the Bible!

  34. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Zoe:
    Are you saying that the followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are NOT Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) but devil worshipers or members of a cult started by an alien god from another planet?
    Given your thorough reading and understanding of the Old Testament, would you say that there are many references to more than one god? For examples: Genesis 3:5; Genesis 3:22; Psalm 82:1-2; Psalm 136:2:

    It’s really ironic that you can speak about God’s Light. What do you mean by God’s LIGHT?


  35. millertheanunnaki | October 27, 2011 at 11:00 AM | @ Zoe:
    “Are you saying that the followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are NOT Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) but devil worshipers or members of a cult started by an alien god from another planet?
    Given your thorough reading and understanding of the Old Testament, would you say that there are many references to more than one god? For examples: Genesis 3:5; Genesis 3:22; Psalm 82:1-2; Psalm 136

    It’s really ironic that you can speak about God’s Light. What do you mean by God’s LIGHT?

    The Jesus of Mormonism, is ANOTHER (Heteros) false Christ, the ‘spirit’ of Mormonisn, is ANOTHER (Heteros) false spirit, and the gospel of Mormonism, is ANOTHER (Heteros) FALSE GOSPEL. If one is NOT following and worshipping the One True and living God, in, by and through THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, as historically revealed IN* His Word, the Bible, then one is dealing with, DEMONIC deception, masquering as, some new revelation, as found in the Book of Mormon, et al such writings. Period.

    Regarding Genesis 3:5, “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God…” (singular, NOT gods!)

    “You will be like God” The tempting thirst for power can be unquenchable, even when people have all of their needs met. Knowing carries the sense of ‘experiencing’, thus the challenge grew yet greater: “God is withholding a good thing from you, (Satan lyingly suggested, (self-rule!) in order to keep you dependent on Him.”

    Genesis 3:22, “Then the Lord God said, ‘Behold the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil….”

    ‘Us’ is obviously, referring at that stage of ‘partial’ revelation, that was FULLY revealed later in the New Testament, of the ‘Triune’ Godhead, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, NOT three Gods, but ONE Godhead, indivisible, yet distinguishable, in the three Co-eternal, Co-Omnipotent, Co-Omnipresent, Co-Omniscient, persons of the One Godhead.

    Psalm 82: 1, “God stands in the congregation of the mighty. He judges among the gods.”

    This short Psalm is a vindictive pronouncement against the corrupt judges. gods, in Canaanite culture, the heads of clans, tribes, or city-kings, where highly venerated by the following generations, and these often received the title of ‘gods’ that NEVER existed, ALL ‘Demonic’ entities, masquerading, as ‘gods.’

    Psalm 136: 2, “Oh, give thanks to the God of gods.”

    These ‘gods, those FALSE idols that men ignorantly call ‘gods’ ( 135: 15-18). The psalmist is NOT advocating polytheism, not at all, with Almighty God as supreme over many lesser gods, (Deut. 10:17)

    The Light of God. To the ancient Hebrew, surrounded by ‘sun’ worshippers, crass idolatry, light was a holy thing, the natural symbol for deity. In the OT Almighty God is pictured as Creating LIGHT ( Gen.1:3) and being clothed with LIGHT ( Psa. 104:2), and the term is used to express ultimate blessedness which God gives to mem (Psa. 36:9). In the NT ‘phos’ is employed as an expression for the ETERNAL real in contrast to the ‘skotos’ of SIN and unreality.

    In I John 1:5, it is stated absolutely, that ‘ho theos phos estin’ translated, “This IS the message which we have HEARD from HIM and declare to you, that GOD IS* LIGHT, and in HIM is NO darkness at all; therefore as LIGHT, God reveals Himself in His perfect Holiness and Majesty. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in DARKNESS, we lie and do not speak the truth. BUT, if we walk in the LIGHT as He is in the LIGHT, we have fellowship with one another, and the BLOOD of Jesus Christ His Son, cleanses us from all sin.” (vv. 6,7)

    During the Exodus, God’s light was displayed to Israel as His ‘Shekinah’ Glory in cloud and fire. In the Fourth Gospel the LIGHT of Christ’s Glory is manifested not simply on the mount, but in all His signs, and issues in a ‘krisis’ or discrimination by LIGHT; evildoers HATE the LIGHT; truth-seekers come to the LIGHT, when LIGHT appears, all men pass judgment on themselves ( John 3: 19-21).

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    @ Zoe:
    It’s Ok then for me to worship the LIGHT! Wherever the word SUN appears can I replace it with SON and know that my Father in the SKY will bless me every morning at SUNRISE.
    Thomas Paine was a very bright man indeed!!


  37. @MTA: “Are you saying that the followers of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are NOT Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) but devil worshipers or members of a cult started by an alien god from another planet?

    @Zoe: 617 words of incoherent dogmatic bullshit.

    It makes one wonder why Islam and Christianity is fighting so hard, when the various versions of Christianity seem to busy fighting amongst themselves….

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    @ Zoe:

    “Regarding Genesis 3:5, “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God…” (singular, NOT gods!) ”

    Who gave you the blasphemous right to change the wording of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible to support your weak argument? Tell all of BU that the King James Version is inaccurate and should read god and not gods!

    The amount of power you ascribed to Satan, Lucifer, the Devil, Chief Demon – whomever you want to call him – makes him a very powerful opponent to his Creator and capable of controlling and influencing the weak and vulnerable toy humans in the play garden of experiments. I suppose your God wanted some opposition and some fun so he made Satan into a god to have a game with poor A & E as “piggy in the middle”.


  39. @millertheanunnaki | October 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM |

    @ Zoe:
    It’s Ok then for me to worship the LIGHT!
    *********************************************************************
    And in so doing we now have to worship “Mr. ZOE”! He made the claim that ZOE= Light. So remember when you are worshipping the Light it would be ‘Mr. ZOE” that is being worshipped.


  40. @ “Mr.” ZOE

    Here’s a question for you, sir………….Did you remember to take your pills today as prescribed by Dr. Mahy? Better not delay in taking your medication. I understand that when one in your condition suddenly stops their medication then all sorts of problems could arise, eg suicidal thoughts and actions. We at BU would not like to think that such would befall you.


  41. @All…

    Just putting this out there for consideration…

    Some of those you are expected to trust might be lying to you.


  42. millertheanunnaki | October 27, 2011 at 4:44 PM | @ Zoe:

    “Regarding Genesis 3:5, “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God…” (singular, NOT gods!) ”

    “Who gave you the blasphemous right to change the wording of the Authorized King James Version of the Bible to support your weak argument? Tell all of BU that the King James Version is inaccurate and should read god and not gods!”

    @annuki, Cool it Mr. Polytheist, many gods* Paganist, as ‘Elohim’ (el) the form ‘elohim’ is a plural form commonly understood as a plural of majesty. While the word occurs in Canaanite, and Akkadian (ilu[m], its etymology is uncertain. In the OT the word is always construed in the singular, when it denotes the True God, the Only God there is.

    God’s Word, the Bible, records the Word of God, as spoken to man through His prophets, the words of men, spoken in folly and ignorance, and, also, the DECEITFUL, LYING words spoken by Satan, as here recorded in Genesis 3: 4-5, “And the serpent SAID unto the woman, (Eve). Ye shall not surely die. For GOD (singular) knows that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

    Remember, this is WHAT Satan through the Serpent spoke to Eve, and the KJV translators of 1611, rendered ‘Elohim’ as gods, which was not inappropriate, as it was SATAN suggesting ‘gods’ to Eve, a LIE as usual. The more modern NKJV, from which I quoted, rendered Elohim, as God, which is more appropriate, as there IS NO others gods, but the One True and LIVING God.

    BTW, the Second Person, of the Eternal Godhead, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, the SON* of God, Created ALL things, in the Universe, including the SUN* (Col. 1: 16-17) which He holds in the palm of His Omnipotent hand, like an ATOM*, if you want to continue in your Paganistic folly, ascribing some dieistic NONSENSE to the Sun, so it be!

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