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A supporter of Christopher 'Dudus' Coke holds a placard high as hundreds of demonstrators march along Spanish Town Road yesterday to demand that his extradition hearing be scrapped. – Jamaica Gleaner

The developing issue concerning Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke in Jamaica makes for interesting discussion. Those following the story since it broke would be aware that the political career of Prime Minister Bruce Golding is seriously under threat over the matter. So far Prime Minister Bruce Golding has been forced to address the nation to explain his actions in the matter which was triggered by a US government request for the extradition of Christopher Coke; the other with the engagement of the US law firm of Manatt, Phelps & Phillips.

Some would say, to his credit, that Prime Minister Bruce Golding has not been afraid to confront the controversial issues. His earlier position on NOT appointing gays in his cabinet continues to reverberate in the global news space.  Not to forget his  perspective on the death penalty has also raised eyebrows. A pity more of our current crop of regional leaders have not demonstrated the gumption when confronted with the hard issues.

Several issues appear to be at play in the current issue involving Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke and the embattled Jamaica Prime Minister Bruce Golding. The earlier link details Golding’s position on the matter. Golding’s willingness to challenge the validity of the US extradition order is worthy of note. Whether his latest position on the ‘Coke’ matter is based on a noble principle, time will tell.

Of interest to BU has been the reaction by the people from the village where Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke is reported to reside. The decision by the Jamaican government to finally execute the US extradition order has provoked an interesting reaction by his neighbours which can be gleaned from the picture above. The rise of the ‘don culture’ in Jamaica is a matter of record. The fear of a similar culture taking root in Barbados would have informed the recent decision to ban Mavado and Vibes Kartel from performing in Barbados.   The ability to influence poor people by those in the drugs and gangster business in Jamaica provides terrific insight. When people feel marginalized by the legitimate institutions in a country, it will create a void for other elements to fill; in this case rogue elements.

The dent in its global image, Jamaica a tourist destination is taking over this incident, reinforces the critical importance of maintaining law and order to support a stable society. The resistance by those in the Barbados society who have become intoxicated by cultural relativism sweeping the world needs to be confronted by the might of home-grown value-based opinion. The Jamaican situation is a clear example of the social fallout which can occur when our legitimate institutions continue to fail the people. For too long Barbadians have been ignoring the weeds which have started to take root in our lawns.

Given all we have read and heard on the matter, the people from Coke’s village who have gone to the streets in protest have been scathing in their condemnation of both the government and opposition. Surely there are lessons to be learned for Barbados!


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301 responses to “Looking Behind The Christopher Dudus Coke Matter”


  1. Is it not interesting how many said they were prepared:

    ” to lay down their lives for Dudus Coke”
    Alas he was not prepared to lay down “his” life for them…he was gone.

    Are we a gullible people?


  2. @Dave
    You are merely a vexation to the spirit. I trust that JC will not address a single point in your post. There is no substance.


  3. Hey ROK it’s me again, Dave, the truth is terrible isn’t it.
    I don’t feel vexed but I do feel pissed.
    I feel your pain yet you only strive to hurt yourself and your fellow man. You must remember a very important point…we all bleed red. I only want to exist in harmony but some, maybe such as yourself, would like to deprive me of that. I have “NO PROBLEM” Mon cause I can fend for myself and part of my self defence is the truth. Jamaica is bleeding and you are oblivious to that
    and right now it has no self defence other than the resiliance of the survivors. Is that all you wish for?…survival. Maybe you would like to instil purpose.
    Let us cure what ailes you.

    Dave from Canada and Negril.


  4. I have not used names only direct quotations, because I only want to be informed and learn.

    Someone wrote:

    ” I believe drug pushers are mass murderers because those bastards are actually committing murder by destroying young lives by the poison they are selling in the Black communities. The Penalty for all drug pushers should be death”.

    Someone responded with:

    “… I put it to you, that the drug retailer is as innocent (or guilty) as the shopkeeper who
    selling flour and those making and wholesaling the flour are no different from the ones making the cocaine or crack. They are equally damaging but I don’t hear you say lock up the flour mill and the shopkeeper for selling things that destroying people’s lives”…

    Is there equivalence in these products, I ask anyone …just for information not for an argument.


  5. Good question YB Very good question hmmmmmmmmm


  6. @ Yardbroom
    ….just for argument sake, I would say ‘YES’, there is equivalence in the two products. There are two major differences of course…. but these are academic.

    The differences are: One product is legal, the other is illegal; and one product is fast acting while the other is slower to act.

    Everything else bears equivalence:
    … these products exploit the weak and gullible to reap profits for the heartless
    … profits from both products are used to promote criminal activity and for bribery
    … both result in untold pain and suffering to those who can least afford it
    ….to both products, a wise and careful person generally CAN just say ‘no’

    …just for argument sake….


  7. It’s Dave again…What in God’s name does a GAY perspective offer that a NORMAL perspective can’t .
    I took notice of the heading in respect to “Gay Canadian thoughts”. Get real will you. What’s with this gay shit. The fact is pure and simple, put two people of the same sex on an island and it is just a matter of time before that race of persons ends because they cannot pro-create…which gives creedance to the fact that it’s un-natural.
    Proud to be a White Hetro Christian Tax Payer who does not HATE queers or gays. And don’t lable me with a derogatory term because I used the word queer. Have you ever heard of the TV show “queer as folk” or “queer eye for the straight guy”. Personally I think the queers have been pampered and catered too way too much. The reason for their outcry against straight and normal is because of an internal disgust or shame, they are looking for acceptance in society so they can comfort themselves. AND I DO NOT HATE THEM I just don’t agree with special status for anyone who is looking to whine for it…I don’t look for special status just because I’m straight and normal.
    AND I DO NOT HATE THEM in case somebody doesn’t understand.
    P.S. back to the “Trivoli speaks” I noticed a concerned Jamaican lady citizen wearing an Obama hat…is she aware of the fact that Obama, like any other liberal democrat, is in way over his head as President of the United States of America? He was elected because he was Black and for no other reason. If he was a White Man he would’ve been laughed out of the race, he can’t even give a statement without a teleprompter. Condoleeza Rice should’ve been president but she was fed up with politics and working with idiots…there was a good, respectfull human being.
    Colin Powell would have been good but he turned out to be a traitor.
    Boy this conversation may go on for a long time. The thirst for wisdom is never quenched and by reading my entries one will only become wiser.
    As a point of interest I will see if I can submit some of my documentary films to corroberate what I am sharing with the world…and ROC.

    Dave from Canada.


  8. @ Bush Tea
    I tried to find out if there was an “addictive” component in white flour as there is in crack and cocaine. I could not find it.
    Thanks


  9. @Yardbroom

    This has nothing to do with addiction, it is about consumption. My rationale is that there are a lot of legitimate consumer items that are toxic and dangerous to the health and are as deadly as other drugs. Take fast foods for example, which came under scrutiny in the USA recently by Obama himself. The health risks associated with fast foods is worse than you can imagine.

    The problem is that you can’t tell a person how much to consume. I have a friend whose son died in his twenties with all types of complications. He admitted that he introduced his son to fast foods as a child. There was no mother around and it was easy to get Kentucky chicken.

    The boy basically grew up on fast foods and when the time came that he could choose for himself, he continued with the fast foods eating lunch and dinner at kentucky nearly everyday. Of course he became greatly obese and the complications set in.

    Therefore, my question is, what is the difference between Kentucky and the drug pusher if both can result in wrecking lives?


  10. Seems as though people are getting carried away with the idea of addiction, as if addiction is something sinister in itself. I see people become addicted to a cell phone, especially youngsters. I hear people talk about others addicted to a game. What is a compulsive gambler? Plays slots, scratch cards, lotto, etc. Any game for money, legal or illegal.


  11. @ ROK

    Thanks very much for your explanation.


  12. Unfortunately we have to wait for the international press to do their stuff. Here is a good read about Dudus matter. Pity the regional media would not have had the guts to portray this matter up to now.

    Family feud behind Jamaica bloodbath
    Tony Allen-Mills in Kingston

    THE diminutive don was furious. Christopher “Dudus” Coke, known to his Jamaican followers as “Bossy”, or “the President”, had spent more than a decade nurturing the political and criminal contacts who had allegedly helped him to turn a Kingston slum into the fortress base of a gangland empire.

    Now everything was threatened by what the 5ft 4in godfather described in the local patois as an “eejit ting” — an idiot thing. His younger half-brother, Leighton “Livity” Coke, had gone to war with the police.

    A round of tit-for-tat killings in the spring of 2005 was threatening to get out of hand. Three police officers were dead and reports were beginning to leak from the Coke family’s Tivoli Gardens stronghold of a dangerous rift between the two half-brothers.

    Five years later, the nature of that rift and the future of Jamaica’s most notorious crime family — known as the Shower Posse — are at the centre of a political scandal that has rocked the island’s government, damaged the reputation of Bruce Golding, the prime minister, and erupted in a bloodbath after an attempted purge went horribly wrong.
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    * Jamaican at centre of violence may seek asylum

    * Dudus: drug kingpin or Kingston’s Robin Hood?

    The extraordinary story of the Coke family’s mafia-like rise to criminal and political eminence has focused on Dudus, 41, widely described as a Robin Hood-like character who dispensed civic patronage to the poor while striking murky deals with local politicians and raking in a fortune from drug and gun trafficking between the Caribbean and the US.

    Yet many Jamaicans were also worrying last week about Livity, described by one source as a brutal “don in waiting”, ready to inherit Dudus’s mantle as the chief enforcer of Tivoli Gardens.

    “We cannot allow this to happen,” said Rob C, a Jamaican source who has followed the brothers’ career since their notorious gangster father, Lester Lloyd “Jim Brown” Coke, died in a mysterious prison fire in 1992. “I fear Livity will be more ruthless than Daddy and his brother before him.”

    As Jamaica yesterday counted the cost of a security onslaught that led to the deaths of at least 73 civilians and ended with no visible success, police urged Dudus and Livity Coke to give themselves up.

    It was the first official mention of the younger Coke brother since a US extradition request for Dudus exposed the long-hidden ties between Jamaica’s so-called “garrison” communities — usually small enclaves of low-income housing controlled by criminal gangs — and the politicians who benefit from their votes.

    As the member of parliament for West Kingston, which includes Tivoli Gardens, Golding has been accused of seeking to block the extradition at the behest of the most powerful gangster in his constituency.

    He has been dubbed the “crime minister” amid speculation that there may be damning evidence against him in wiretaps of Dudus’s mobile phone, leaked to US authorities by a whistle-blowing Jamaican policeman. Golding has claimed that the allegations are part of a conspiracy to undermine the government.

    By most accounts, Dudus imposed his authority over his half-brother after the 2005 dispute and peace was temporarily restored to Tivoli Gardens. Livity contented himself with the job of family underboss responsible for Lizard Town, a neighbouring warren of lowincome homes that also formed part of the West Kingston constituency.

    Yet three years later, tension between the Coke brothers re-emerged when Eldon Calvert, the alleged leader of the Montego Bay-based Stone Crusher gang, took refuge in Lizard Town while on the run.

    Dudus was said to be angry that his brother was once again attracting unwanted police attention by offering sanctuary to outside criminal elements.

    “The only criminals the President wanted downtown were his own,” said one local source.

    By then, Dudus was the beneficiary of numerous lucrative government contracts, ran several legitimate businesses and enjoyed effective immunity from local harassment thanks to his high-ranking political friends.

    In short, he was on the way to turning himself into a Jamaican equivalent of Michael Corleone, the shrewd fictional godfather played by Al Pacino in Francis Ford Coppola’s films. To some residents of Tivoli Gardens, he seemed more like a Jamaican Santa Claus — and the last thing he needed was a hothead younger brother stirring aggravation.

    Whatever the truth about the Shower Posse’s criminal dealings — and US authorities accuse its members of committing more than 1,400 murders as they built a multi-million-dollar cocaine and marijuana trade — there was no doubting Dudus’s commitment to protecting his local power base.

    For years he provided the children of his tiny slum with free schoolbooks and uniforms. He paid for healthcare, gave food to the needy and allocated jobs. His posse acted as the neighbourhood’s police force and, unlike much of the rest of Kingston, petty crime in his fiefdom — about half the size of Clapham Common in London — was virtually non-existent.

    He also turned into perhaps Jamaica’s most improbable music promoter and his Wednesday night “passa passa” street parties on the edge of Tivoli Gardens were renowned as the safest venues in Jamaica — nobody dared spoil the President’s fun. When the US issued its extradition demand, Bunny Wailer, one of Jamaica’s most revered reggae musicians, recorded a new song: Don’t Touch the President.

    Dudus could often be found lounging at the margins of his music events, usually surrounded by pretty girls but rarely displaying any signs of his wealth.

    “Dudus is not a flashy man,” said George Soutar, a Kingston lawyer who has represented the Coke family for more than 20 years.

    “He has a retiring personality. If you saw him in a crowd, you’d never know his reputation and he wouldn’t tell you who he is.”

    Tom Tavares-Finson, Soutar’s law partner, has said Dudus is not a Rastafarian, but admires the laid-back lifestyle.

    Few inhabitants of Tivoli Gardens seem aware that their patron reputedly spends much of his time in a large plantation-style mansion he owns in the hills overlooking Kingston.

    “Dudus a good youth and him keep de peace,” one of his supporters said last week. Another added: “If there was no Dudus, downtown be like Iraq.”

    All this attention seemed highly improbable in February 1992, when the Shower Posse appeared to be irreparably broken and Dudus, then 22, was reeling from a series of family disasters.

    His father was in jail, awaiting extradition to America on murder charges, when his older brother, Mark “Jah T” Coke, was murdered by a rival drug gang as he sped through their territory on his motorbike.

    On the day Mark Coke was buried in 1992, Soutar and Tavares-Finson went to Lester Coke’s jail to tell him that his appeal against extradition had been rejected. He was likely to leave Jamaica within days.

    They arrived to find their client dead, incinerated in a blaze that somehow broke out in his cell. The message to Coke’s family and friends was clear: someone had killed him to stop him from testifying in an American court.

    “If you believe Jim Brown just burnt to death by accident … you’ll believe in the tooth fairy,” Tavares-Finson said at the time.

    Almost two decades later, the same concerns are being voiced about Dudus, who was variously reported last week to be seeking political asylum at any embassy that would take him; to have escaped to Venezuela, Cuba or Haiti; and to be ready to surrender to the Americans in exchange for a promise to tell all he knows.

    Soutar disclaimed all knowledge of his former client’s whereabouts, but added: “I think that in all cases his life would be in danger.”

    Jamaica’s Robin Hood has become the man who knows too much about the relationship between gangsters and government.

    The sense that the government is not too concerned about taking Dudus alive was reinforced last week by increasing evidence that security forces were shooting on sight.

    “The information I have is that they went into Tivoli Gardens with guns blazing,” said Soutar. One of his clients said: “Them police are so panicky right now they see a phone in your hand they shoot you and call you a gangster and say you shot dem first.”

    On Thursday the violence spread from the slums to the city’s wealthiest suburbs, where police stormed a hilltop mansion, apparently in search of Dudus, and killed Keith Clarke, the brother of Claude Clarke, a former government minister who a few days earlier had called on Golding to resign.

    Golding has promised an independent investigation of the security forces’ actions, which initially netted only four gangster guns — and neither of the Coke brothers — after several days of shoot-outs.

    The number of guns found has since risen to 22, but much of Jamaica remains in shock at the scale of the violence that followed the issue of a single extradition warrant.

    “We supported the need for the security forces to restore the rule of law in communities run by criminals,” said Carolyn Gomes of Jamaicans for Justice, a human rights group. “But, dear Lord, not like this.”


  13. David,

    Interesting read. The comparison to Michael Corleone is quite appropriate, not to mention that the ‘idiot hothead’ Livity also resembles the hothead ‘Sonny’ Corleone, whose own temper got him killed.

    However, the belief expressed by the ‘Human Rights’ person that the security forces could have been more gentle is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention that I am still surprised that in Jamaica, tohse who shoot at Police are still called ‘civilians’, while elsewhere they are called ‘insurgents’ or ‘terrotists’.

    Unfortunately, at times when a purge is needed, one must be hard-handed, as I said at the beginning, go in ‘full metal jacket.

    Do remember that the Police were confronted with bobby-trapped barricades, not to mention, most ‘reasonable’ preople were at home hiding from the confrontation, what were these ‘civilians’ doing out in the street, to get shot?

    Do also remember, these are scum who have ruined numerous lives by selling drugs to people, even youth.

    Unfortunately, there will be detractors and goody-two-shoes at times like this, who live in cloud cuckoo land and want to tell the Govenrment what to do.

    For the future of Jamaica and Jamaicans, the Government needs to say one thing to say to them…GET LOST!

    By the way, they must not stop the search, and if other gangs get involved, then fine, purge them too. Also, let them know that if they try to get at or assinate any politicans, for every one they try to hit, there will be another waiting to take up the battele to remove the scourge.

    One way or another.


  14. @dave who said’because I’m straight and normal.
    AND I DO NOT HATE THEM in case somebody doesn’t understand.
    P.S. back to the “Trivoli speaks” I noticed a concerned Jamaican lady citizen wearing an Obama hat…is she aware of the fact that Obama, like any other liberal democrat, is in way over his head as President of the United States of America? He was elected because he was Black and for no other reason. If he was a White Man he would’ve been laughed out of the race, he can’t even give a statement without a teleprompter. Condoleeza Rice should’ve been president but she was fed up with politics and working with idiots…there was a good, respectfull human being.
    Colin Powell would have been good but he turned out to be a traitor’

    ————-

    Re Obama – no, Obama won because he is clearly highly qualified, intelligent, well spoken and at the time, the right-wing goose-steppers had (and Obama is still trying to pull it out) the US economy AND foreign policy in tatters.

    As for being ‘in over his head’, maybe you are right, as he is a regular citizen, trying to combat the results of the previous administration’s blatant idiocy, poor previous economic and foreign policy and the dirty politics that continues

    Re Condeleeza Rice- you ARE joking, right? Ms.Mouthpiece?

    Re Colin Powell – You are incorrect, Powell did not go froward, not because of being a traitor, but he resigned when he could no longer live with the lies that the two policy makers i.e. lunatic (or psychopah if you prefer) Rumsfeld and right-wing money machine Cheney (the real President), continued to put to the American people. Guess Powell actually had a conscience and decided to split.


  15. @crusoe

    Human rights cannot be overlooked in such a volitile situation . The elderly, sick and children are also being affected .I am still at a loss as to why the government would have stated on TV that they would sign the paper.I would have thought that they would have been confidential . That gave his surporters a heads up in getting prepared to inflict any amount of damaged to protect him.


  16. @ Yardbroom // May 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM

    Is it not interesting how many said they were prepared:

    ” to lay down their lives for Dudus Coke”
    Alas he was not prepared to lay down “his” life for them…he was gone.

    Are we a gullible people?

    —————-

    No, I guess they were just loyal. So, now no one should complain about the result, it was THEIR CHOICE.

    No Government should feel blackmailed into NOT doing the right thing, by stupidity and a false use of ‘human rights’.

    Quite simple really, the security forces are there to arrest Coke AND others. Who gets in the way, gets shot. Simple enough, no?

    Let us see how many more are willing. As Dirty Harry said ‘do you feel lucky?’.


  17. @ac
    ac // May 30, 2010 at 7:59 AM

    @crusoe

    Human rights cannot be overlooked in such a volitile situation
    ————————-

    Under such a situation, when you know that the security forces are coming looking for a criminal, you have a right to stay inside and wait it out, or choose to go outside and get shot, no problem there.

    What is the issue?


  18. @Crusoe

    “Do you feel lucky”

    No I donot feel lucky if I am living in Tivioli.
    Would You?


  19. Second guessing in this situation will always make for good discussion.

    Extracting Dudus from the garrison community of Tivoli will never be done without bloodshed.

    Included in that bloodshed will be many innocent lifes because those of the Dudus posse look like every other citizen. They live in the same homes of the innocent.


  20. @Cursoe.

    THe problem there is that the sick and elderly and children with special needs have to see doctors.Isn’t that to be consider as Human Rights. This is not a movie this is real life.


  21. @David

    Not what we are seeing here is the wagon pulling the horse. The government needs to call a cease fire in order to evaluate what damage is being done to the civilian at large.


  22. YB

    I tried to find out if there was an “addictive” component in white flour as there is in crack and cocaine. I could not find it
    **********************
    Let me introduce a bit of levity to this otherwise serious discussion…. But you didn’t speak with me. I am a recovering addict a situation I blame entirely on my Grandmother and mother who plied me with Bakes, Fishcakes, Dumplings and Sweetbread all made with white flour. The wife observed them at work and continued the tradition, she has now ensured that my children will suffer from the same addiction though they won’t touch Mauby or Pudding and Souse but one of my sons has an affinity for Pig Tail. Recently the wife started sprinkling some of the aforementioned items with Whole Wheat Flour but who knows if it is a case of too little too late.

    I think I gwine change de will behind her back………


  23. @Crusoe

    Man, you are a cruel man. You don’t think that Government perpetrating sufficient evil on the people? In today’s world there is something called crimes against humanity and I am sure that you have noticed that leaders of Governments has not escape punishment.


  24. Hey Crusoe…no Bama. Blame it on Bush and it’s obvious you are of the belief that perception is more important than reality because yes Obama did present the image of an itelligent well spoken individual…who relied on a teleprompter.
    I must remind you that Mr. Bush did more to combat the infestation of AIDs in Africa than any other politician or phony Hollywood actor as well as contributing more in, now this pisses me off, FOREIGN AID to Jamaica.
    Do not embellish upon your ignorance by suggesting that Obama is intelligent or the right man for the job of president of the USA.
    As for the explosive circumstances surrounding Dudas “COKE” let’s see if Obama and his administration knows the difference between the addictive components in cocaine and the life sustaining elements of flour…(how rediculous).
    Dudas is like an Islamic terrorist Mullah…preach the cause but send innocent and ignorant followers out to die for that cause.
    This volitile situation is 200miles from the shoreline of the USA and has the potential to be a serious security issue and Obama has done N O T H I N G.
    Amazing relevance between what happens in America and what is happening in Jamaica…remember Grenada…Papa Doc, Baby Doc Duvalier of Haiti and Castro. The Caribbean is a hot bed of instability.
    Oh and one more thing If Barrack HUSSEIN Obama played a role in a TV sitcom it would have been pulled by now..so why is he still in the White House?
    Just calling it the way I see it.

    Dave


  25. I have been following the Republican / Tea party strategy for combating Obama and his policies over the past year or so and it is clear that a large proportion of the American population are unthinking, gullible regurgitators of the tea party line but I was a bit surprised that someone who signs himself as Dave from Canada and Negril has partaken so heavily of the poisoned tea as to spout their weary slogans on a blog such as this with an attitude that says I am better than all of you.

    Dave, use your God given common sense if you have any. Have you watched any of Obama’s press conferences? Have you followed the televised reports on when Obama met with the Republicans and wiped the floor with them in a q&a session on Health reform and recognized that they vowed never again to give him an opportunity to upstage a room full of republicans on his own? Do you think those remarks could have been teleprompted? Use your sense man and don’t try to fool us with that teleprompter myth. But then it is obvious from your writings here that you have a huge superiority complex and that you think very little of the intelligence of the people who post on or read this blog.

    You’ve invested millions in Jamaica!!. That sounds like a fairy tale. Give us some facts and figures.


  26. Hey Checkit out you are kidding me? Let me clarify your emotionally charged bias to the world. No doubt you’re a socialist of some type, shape or form but being a true socialist one must master the art of deception, words win people just as words ignite unrest. You’re not even good at delivering your message to the people you want to inspire or influence.Nowhere did I say I invested millions of my personal dollars. I said I spent over a quarter million dollars…I know that this is not beyond the average intellectual’s ability to reason or comprehend but a million is three quarters more than a quarter million…OK!!!And about my God given common sense…do you honestly and truly believe that  a statement, such as where you glorify Obama’s ability to effectively communicate, adds to your superiority over me?? Failure to recognize or ignore a defect is dangerous but your willingness to accept a defective administration from the President down is improper. Your attempt to discredit me  only diminishes your wisdom and intellect particularly when the obvious is “Prima Facia”. Obama is ruining the economy and it won’t only be the industrialized North that hurts…Jamaica and the entire Caribbean will suffer. The guy is a Muslim Extremist sympathizer who bows to the feet of tyrants and despots and he believes that New York city will drown from melted ice if he doesn’t shut down industry and kill the economy. He’s the same guy that just blew over a trillion dollars on absolutely nothing and, just like a true “Fascist” system he nationalized the AUTO industry except Ford. There is way too much  to get into here but hey Check out you speak of “poison tea” what the hell did you ingest???      “A large portion of the American people are unthinking gullible irregularities”? Well a large portion must be the MAJORITY then. In a DEMOCRACY or a REPUBLIC  it’s the voice of the majority that rules regardless of RIGHT or wrong…hey Check do you have another form of government you would like to be ruled under? Sounds like socialist communism to me.Don’t disseminate creative reality here Check-it Out.Facts do not require an explanation whereas your propaganda has conjured up an adversion to the truth.You can quote me but do not mis-quote me…that is a media tactic to protract a ideological position. Very UNCOOL. I hope this isn’t a cruel joke because the people who  supported Barack HUSSEIN Obama, as the statistics clearly delineate,  are of a sector that makes a very limited contribution to the Private Sector engine of the economy  and also the moral substance is lacking as it is a fact that this ideological flock of sheep condones partial birth abortions. You are joking Check-it Out…are you not.

    Dave from Canada


  27. T-Party members are disgruntled Right Wing Republicans taking away support.
    Others are turning Independent.


  28. @ Crusoe May 29, 2010 at 1:58pm

    I had decided to take a quiet sabbatical but it would be impolite not to respond to a directed comment; as it could be considered as ignoring someone.

    “Perhaps” you have missed the point of my submission.

    I wrote: ” Is it not interesting how many said ” they were prepared to lay down their lives for Dudas Coke”
    Alas he was not prepared to lay down “his” life for them”.
    Are we a guillible people?

    Your response was: “NO, I guess they were just loyal. So, now no one should complain about the result, it was their choice.

    No Government should feel blackmailed into not doing the right thing, by stupidity and a false sense of human rights”…
    ******************************

    Their loyalty was misplaced; their gullibility was not being able to see that the way of life in which they had become ensconced, would lead to a continuum of deprivation and decayconstantly fueled by illegal drug money. My point also alluded to a loyalty that was not reciprocated…he was gone,the death toll left behind I understand is in excess of seventy.

    I have no problem with the authorities seeking to clean out what was there. When an insidious practice – dealing in illegal drugs – becomes the norm, we lose our moral compass and do not know what is right from wrong..it seems as if as a people we are constantly fighting the wrong battles.

    @ Sargeant
    I wrote : ” I tried to find out if there was an “addictive” component in white flour as there is in crack or cocaine.” I could not find it.

    My simple point was that there might or might not be something in relation to white flour and diabetes…I have no argument there.

    But to compare the selling – as was done – of white flour, crack and cocaine as the same? I need no argument, I will leave it at that.


  29. The government should have thought about cleaning up tivioli years ago instead of looking to score political points with the drug dealers. At this point The horse is out of the barn and the innocent is paying with their lives for the gulity.


  30. I am surprised that no one has recognized the similarity between certain aspects of the Jamaican situation and the Guyana Situation. In Guyana, the equivalent of Dudus was Roger Khan and dozens of other Indian Drug lords who are ethnicly and politically affiliated with the regime in power. Recently, the Barbados Courts sentenced a predominant Indian Guyanese drug gang to quite lengthy jail sentences for narcotic trafficking.

    The Guyana Government has refused to extradite Dataram and a host of other Indians wanted by the US for drug trafficking. These men have followings in their ethnic communities, so there is no way the Guyana Government would approve of policemen going in with guns to get them. Had they been black however, the Jamaica scenario would have occured in Guyana a long time ago.


  31. Israeli navy ships raid a ship with humanatarian aid to the gaza strip The ship was in International waters. some peple were killed.


  32. Hi Dave from Canada and Negril;

    The “millions” was a trap. It was millions of Jamaican dollars which you would have invested in Jamaica if you were indeed from Negril. I still ask for some measure of detail on how you invested those millions of Jamaican dollars. You still also haven’t shown how Obama can’t operate without a teleprompter.

    Dave; you are not real. Just another Tea party troll.

    Re. the other points, they are unworthy of sensible discussion.


  33. 10 people confirmed dead during the attack by the Israeli attacked on the humanitarian ship headed to the gaza strip


  34. tThere are two sides to every story.So far the US media is only giving one as to the reason the Israeli raided the ship headed for the gaza strip.


  35. @Yardbroom,

    Thanks for the reply. I was not ‘getting’ at you, but merely playing a bit tongue in cheek, as to their misplaced loyalty, agreed on that point.

    You are quite right, of course. Unfortunately, people look for ‘heroes’ any way they come, even if misguided. Perhaps they were well aware of the possible consequences, but took that route anyway.


  36. Check it out I knew you would come back with that flimsy line. The world deals in “real dollars” not Jamaican dollars. Did you actually think that I was speaking of spending Jamaican dollars? You are not real. You set the trap and alas you have no foot…are the “jaws” of that trap somewhere above your neck line? I am for real…since 1991 I have spent ten to fifteen thousand a year supporting your economy and the people in that economy as well as send money to the misfortuante among the J population.
    A person is not capable or worthy of further discussion
    if they cannot admit the obvious…the obvious being your double speak. You’ve maligned my words to suit the perception you wish existed. U.S. $$$$ is what I deal in not J $$$. And quite frankly your perception is self imploding.
    Funny liberal you are but that is to be expected. I still can’t believe Obama hasn’t been impeached yet…I do think it’s coming as the teleprompter will eventually burn out.
    Hey Check out I can’t take you serious after that response and neither should anybody else. You test the water with your toe after you’ve jumped in up to your neck and then try to say you’re not wet. S H A M E. I am for real.

    Dave from Canada and Negril


  37. Fuk A Troll, bu let’s pause in the current struggle to ready oneself. Preparation to meet the final conclusive onslaught. Forces assembled in anticipation of trials and tribulations. The steeling of the will to stand or fall. A line drawn in the sand.


  38. AC when was the last time you ever heard of “humanitarian aid” coming from Palestine? I know they have a great supply of homicide bombers but there’s no semblance to humanitarian aid there.
    To quote BB…:”Israeli soldiers boarded that ship to ensure nothing harmful was on board not to take on 650 people”.
    What is going on in the world today has nobody learned from History’s sordid past? Is anyone aware of the “Arian Nations”? Is anyone aware of the fact that Hitler promoted a “one world government” controlled by the “ARIAN RACE”? Is there anybody out there aware of the fact that the word “Arian” is derived from the word “IRANIAN”. Is anybody aware of the fact that IRAN sponsors world terrorism and is the scourge of the earth? Excuse me while I catch my breath as I am gasping over the fact that anybody would have the gall to use the word humanitarian aid and Palestine in the same sentence. .Dudas Coke has now become a diversion.
    In closing I would like to state that I find it highly insulting that Obama did not attend Arlington National Cemetery today. No respect whatsoever. The liberal elite are all the same.

    P.S. If somebody wants to verify my Jamaican authenticity they can go to the “round a bout” center across from the Burger King in Negril and ask any of the local entrepaneurs (money changers) if they know the White Man on the motorcycle with the shark tooth/bearclaw necklace…I have a following.
    Dave from Canada and Negril


  39. @all

    We have disrupting forces with us as we did on the Gay Canadian blog, engage at your own peril. Some became offended and or disregard our advice on that blog. Try trusting us when we comment on these things from where we sit.


  40. @Dave

    “When is the last time I heard of “humanitarian’ aid coming from Palestine

    Answer: Because it is never reported in the American media it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Had not for this occurence. It would never have been mentioned.


  41. @ David
    Understood! !


  42. @ROK ”……

    ROK // May 30, 2010 at 12:24 PM YOU SAID…’@Crusoe

    Man, you are a cruel man. You don’t think that Government perpetrating sufficient evil on the people? In today’s world there is something called crimes against humanity and I am sure that you have noticed that leaders of Governments has not escape punishment.”’

    —————-

    To a certain extent I understand what ac is saying, BUT, how do you really expect to get rid of the situation, if you are not willing to ACT???

    I am not cruel, indeed, I think you will find me quite gentle and humanitarian.

    BUT, I cannot abide the sale of drugs to destroy a nation and that is what Dudus and his followers have done. BUT, ac and some think I am being unrealistic?

    What do you want? Police Commissioner on bullhorn ”Er excuse me Mr.Dudus, will
    you mind terribly coming out and also bring you weapons and rounds please, we would appreciate it kindly?’

    LOL.

    Really, the Police and Defence Force are given certain training and weapons to combat threats to the nation and themselves in their action.

    What Dudus et al are doing is akin to blackmail of a nation.

    What is the law, if not to be enforced?

    If you want it that way, then is the law only for the obedient?

    Or, better sitll forget it all and lets go AWOL, every man for himself?

    No. I feel solidly that there must be a stand against nonsense, that is all…not cruel.

    Do we really want to wait till we get, GOD FORBID, like Mexico?

    No. Respect for each other and the laws that we have agreed to, must be assured. If not, there is no society.

    No so?

    Bear in mind that I am NOT so callous as to call the dead ‘collateral damage’, as much western media does when certain armies are involved (but not others, funny that).

    But, again I ask, what were they doing in the streets.

    I will defend my, your and every man’s rights for liberty, shelter, food and love.

    But I will not defend lawlessness.


  43. @Crusoe
    But the government did contrbute to the lawlessness by not applying the law when they knew of all the drugs and gun trafficking by coke. May I say too little too late.Having the innocent pay for the guilty is not the way a responsible government take careof its people.
    Prior to all of this The government was defending lawlessness.


  44. @Crusoe

    I really tired with this. You talking about destroying lives with illegal drugs… and every time I hear that I will ask what about the legal drugs that killing we and filling we with sickness that nobody don’t seem to want to get rid of.

    Furthermore, talking about illegal destroying lives is nothing more than an exaggeration, to suit certain profiteers agenda. Legal drugs killing more people in the form of the artificial this and that they putting in foods without researching the effects on human beings. Vaccinations that have no conclusive test results, etc. etc.

    What you think have people like Coke into drugs? Dashed hopes, frustration, joblessness, stigma, lack of opportunity, lack of access to finances and all the things that that our society do to keep people poor.

    The answer is not brutality because to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; cause and effect if you know what I mean? People will naturally not stand for depression and on top of that oppression. Will you continue to beat your child because it won’t hear? Time for a different strategy and we are not dealing with children, we are dealing with adults that will find an alternative if the proper channels are not opened. It is as natural that people must live, I don’t care how many laws you have.

    So why are you calling on Government to bring death and destruction on a community and not programmes that will help them out of their mess? It is amazing how we think. We don’t seem to rationalise anything for ourselves, we just spout the propaganda we hear that has not taken into account the plight of the people.

    So long as we continue on this path, there will always be a Dudus Coke that you nor the police, nor the army will ever be able to permanently quell… and the more intent you become on eliminating them, survival demands that they live, so it can only get worse.


  45. @ac

    Nice contribution.


  46. To everyone out there, ROC, Crusoe, Checkit out, AC and the rest of whomever, let it be understood that drugs have been around forever and if anyone  thinks that the “War on Drugs” (another fucking war) will ever be won they had better see a doctor (the licensed drug dealers) for some very potent medication. Right from the time of birth children have a natural gravitation towards altering their mind or amplifying their senses which is why they like to spin in circles or jump on a ride at the carnival and rotate at warp speed then attempt to stand or walk without wobbling and falling.If society is to be drug free then there must be a reason for society not to get stoned. If you don’t want your kids on dope then give them a reason not to do dope.There are a number of ways to dissuade people from drugs, God, spiritual belief, committment to a hobby or a vocation that requires a straight mind, health reasons, avoiding a bust or just wanting to stay straight. I’m going to be out front and honest here, being the worldly person that I am I have engaged in episodes of temporary depersonalization as I have smoked ganja for 40 years and I consider myself to be in top mental and physical condition. My reasons for partaking in this quiet past time are not to escape reality or look for an excuse to avoid responsibility I’m just looking to numb the effects of the stupidity around me. And I do not think that drugs should be legalized as it would send the wrong message to our youth. Kids must realize that building a future comes first and everybody should realize that before they engage themselves in an episode of depersonalization their priorities must be in order.And people should try working for a living rather than depend solely on drug dealing. The big problem here is no matter what country you live in or what ever part of the world you live in there is always another Dudas “COKE” waiting to fill a void from the previous Dudas “COKE”. Get government out of our lives and let the human spirit do what it does best…innovate. When people are restricted and constrained or forced to live in bondage there will always be a quest for an alternative to sobriety.
    Notwithstanding the aforementioned Jamaica’s people knew how to support themselves by capitalizing on “global demand”. They never sought handouts to the extreme that they must now because they reaped what they had sewn and sustained themselves from it.
    I don’t know of anyone who died of the affects of cannibus, even weed related cancer is unheard of but look at alcohol, drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, blindness, stupidity and everything else that goes with it. A little weed never hurt anyone and the same goes for experimenting with other euphoric substances as long as it’s done in moderation or hardly ever.
    But some may say that the more stoned or drunk they become the more appealing the Obama Administration becomes…which is not the case with me I just see the Obama Administration and the liberal democrats in their entirety as being one large gaggle of losers who are not good for the economy or world security.

    Dave from Canada and Negril  


  47. Earth to AC, earth to AC do you copy AC…looking for any sign of intelligence…none to be found as of yet but effort is being made. The humanitarian aid from Palestine comment has diminished all hopes of any form of intellect within the human sub species. Do you copy AC. As for the American media all of it is crap other than FOX NEWS. Also, the BBC should be flushed with heavy chemicals as their news content is worse than the gulf oil spill.

    Love and Peace
    Dave from Canada and Negril.


  48. Re. the Israeli Defence boarding of the terrorist ship…if this was a boat load of “humanitarians” what were these kind hearted philanthropists doing with “stun grenades” , “fire bombs”, knives, guns and an intent to kill?
    Wake up people. Israel had every right to block that pirate ship from landing. The only humanitarian aid on board there was weapons for Hamas. And who in the F#$K is this Kim Bad Moon? He has some nerve ordering Israel to back off. Doesn’t he originate from a culture that despises human rights. The U.N. is a joke and so is anyone who supports terrorism. Put the cross hairs on Hammas, Hizbolla and Al Qaida and squeeze the trigger…have I got a surprize for you…a 50cal Beowolf full clip.

    Peace and Luv
    Dave from Canada and Negril

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