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A supporter of Christopher 'Dudus' Coke holds a placard high as hundreds of demonstrators march along Spanish Town Road yesterday to demand that his extradition hearing be scrapped. – Jamaica Gleaner

The developing issue concerning Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke in Jamaica makes for interesting discussion. Those following the story since it broke would be aware that the political career of Prime Minister Bruce Golding is seriously under threat over the matter. So far Prime Minister Bruce Golding has been forced to address the nation to explain his actions in the matter which was triggered by a US government request for the extradition of Christopher Coke; the other with the engagement of the US law firm of Manatt, Phelps & Phillips.

Some would say, to his credit, that Prime Minister Bruce Golding has not been afraid to confront the controversial issues. His earlier position on NOT appointing gays in his cabinet continues to reverberate in the global news space.  Not to forget his  perspective on the death penalty has also raised eyebrows. A pity more of our current crop of regional leaders have not demonstrated the gumption when confronted with the hard issues.

Several issues appear to be at play in the current issue involving Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke and the embattled Jamaica Prime Minister Bruce Golding. The earlier link details Golding’s position on the matter. Golding’s willingness to challenge the validity of the US extradition order is worthy of note. Whether his latest position on the ‘Coke’ matter is based on a noble principle, time will tell.

Of interest to BU has been the reaction by the people from the village where Christopher ‘Dudus’ Coke is reported to reside. The decision by the Jamaican government to finally execute the US extradition order has provoked an interesting reaction by his neighbours which can be gleaned from the picture above. The rise of the ‘don culture’ in Jamaica is a matter of record. The fear of a similar culture taking root in Barbados would have informed the recent decision to ban Mavado and Vibes Kartel from performing in Barbados.   The ability to influence poor people by those in the drugs and gangster business in Jamaica provides terrific insight. When people feel marginalized by the legitimate institutions in a country, it will create a void for other elements to fill; in this case rogue elements.

The dent in its global image, Jamaica a tourist destination is taking over this incident, reinforces the critical importance of maintaining law and order to support a stable society. The resistance by those in the Barbados society who have become intoxicated by cultural relativism sweeping the world needs to be confronted by the might of home-grown value-based opinion. The Jamaican situation is a clear example of the social fallout which can occur when our legitimate institutions continue to fail the people. For too long Barbadians have been ignoring the weeds which have started to take root in our lawns.

Given all we have read and heard on the matter, the people from Coke’s village who have gone to the streets in protest have been scathing in their condemnation of both the government and opposition. Surely there are lessons to be learned for Barbados!


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301 responses to “Looking Behind The Christopher Dudus Coke Matter”


  1. With regard to Jamaica it is embarrassing to see a democratically elected Prime Minister in the Caribbean region go through the verbal contortions of Prime Minister Golding. The political landscape in Jamaica and the associations forged are often difficult to comprehend by the outside observer. It often “appears” as if the Law makers are in touching distance with…I will leave the remainder of the sentence to individual perception.


  2. PM Golding is on his way along with his party to be the fist one term government in JA history. In our parliamentay first past the post democracy there is little separation between the ofiical government and the political party . Both are intricately intertwined.Now when you the ruling government/party In JA who took it up on themselves to hire a private US law firm to lobby extradition matters between the two states all because of a matter related to a powerful known criminal element who is wanted by the US government for a wide array of criminal charges and who resides in the PM constituency there can be no ambiguity on where the government motive lies.The Coke family dynasty and operation in Jamaica most garrisonised constituency ( Tivoli) reads like any mafioso hollywood script.

    The jamaican political leaders since the 60s have gerrymandered and carved out entrenched political communities-better know as garrison- that are ruled by so called “community leaders”…code word for leagl criminals.These communities at election always vote 100% for the preferred MP and sometimes the number of votes exceed the number of registered voters in the area.In return for their loyalty and if their government is in power the dons will be the beneficiary of government contracts.The case with Mr Golding is nothing new in jamaica politics. However, it seems that the PM has gone too far in this situation by directly using the power of the state to protect a known criminal. The Jamaican politician along with their cronies have sown the wind of criminal vices and now they are reaping the whirlwind. This is the classic case of state capture.


  3. This situation is now beyond just Coke, as the article infers, this is a question of social disenfranhisement, cultural change and deep-seated corruption.

    I think that the answer lies in Golding turning a positive to a negative i.e. after Coke’s extradition, use the oppotunity to ‘clean house’.

    Call in Interpol to investigate ALL high level Government and public officers, in all aspects.

    Start with a clean slate.

    Of course, this will trun Jamaica upside down for a while, not to mention may cause some assassination attempts on Golding, but ultimately, will the drug barons be allowed to rule Jamaica, or will those charged with leading have the gonads to act as they should?

    Apparently Jamaica is well on its way to being the next Mexico, where the drug lords rule.

    If it is not there already.

    Indeed, as you say, there is a major lesson here.

    Ultimately, you are looking at a virtual civil war to eradicate this.

    For Barbados, let us stop it in the bud. That is why I too am glad that the Movado / Vybz show was cancelled, even if youngsters still use cellphones etc to spread videos, at least the Govenrment made a ‘statement’. A start.

    There is no reason a bunch of thugs shoul;d be allowed to hold a nation to ransom.

    In my opinion, if the extradition is challenged by violence, other than legal, the Jamaica Government should institute a curfew, state what they are doing and go in with full metal jacket, guns blazing continuously, whatever the consequences.

    You may call me ruthless, but I cannot abide by thugs ransoming a nation, sorry.

    Settle it, once and for all.


  4. By the way, the above action will give Golding internaitonal acclaim, as one ‘trying to clean up his country’.

    Negative to positive.


  5. Zion1971 writing about Jamaica noted that “In return for their loyalty and if their government is in power the dons will be the beneficiary of government contracts.”

    Could a similar situation develop here in Barbados? It is my concern that the politics of Hamilton Lashley who helped to secure a large subvention of money to the Pinelands Workshop, the establishment of UDC and the RDC and the recent creation of constituency councils may be otherwise well intentioned steps on a slippery slope to the development of “garrison” constituencies here. The apparent impotence of the Government to control the public transport system is a case study to note. The ready supply of “illegal” guns which is in certain communities, the significant narco-economy which is in operation and involves involves dozens of people and coupled with the propaganda of the music from the same Jamaica which is enjoyed by many in Barbados (note the recent attempts to bring Vbyz Kartel and Movado here not just to perform but to speak to young people) all heighten my concern.


  6. Wasn’t there a statement issued by the Jamaica government to the effect it will be taking action against those Caribbean governments who would have banned its dancehall artistes? Here it is we have the Jamaican society about to collapse under the weight of the subculture which is fuelled by drugs and negative-dancehall, and the government pointing a finger at others by hiding behind the CSME concept. Last time we had a look the laws of Barbados allow for the protection of public morals.

    What a load of bullshit.


  7. I have not one shite to do with Jamaica, and any Bajan Politician that still talks about CSME, caribbean integration and all this bull crap, should be sent packing.


  8. When a few elightened minds on BU (Barbados Underground) have mentioned guns, illegal drugs, and the acidic mix of a rampant lack of respect for others and their property. We have been laughed at even mocked but common sense dictates we closely examine the model some young people are eager to follow.

    “Justice Minister Dorothy Lightbourne has indicated that the case backlog in the Residents Magistrate’s (RM) – In The Jamaica courts – amounts to more than 400,000 cases”

    Damian Hutchinson, a member of the peace Management Initiative who works out of Mountain view, said anti-gang legislation would bring some level of “anxiety among gangs in the corporate Area, but that is as far as it will go”…

    …”You don’t need to spend millions of dollars to replace the guns but some money to replace their mindset, the culture in these communities, and that is what is really required if we are going to fix the problem”…
    Jamaica Gleaner Sat 22 May, 2010

    In Barbados we should be alert to the lawlessness, guns, illegal drugs and wanton a display of a lack of consideration for others and their property. If the Law, Civil Authorities and the Government do not take account of what could happen in our island..we will rue their inaction.

    Fools some of us may be called here but it is our civic duty to always strive for a better society


  9. The chickens have come home to roost. I hope Barbados and Barbadians take note.


  10. “Some would say, to his credit, that Prime Minister Bruce Golding has not been afraid to confront the controversial issues. His earlier position on NOT appointing gays in his cabinet continues to reverberate in the global news space.”

    That Bruce Golding is one tough cookie. What did he do? Ask potential members of cabinet for their “gay card”?

    Meanwhile “to his credit” this tough politiican is doing everything within his power to protect an alleged criminal and acknowledged “don” from extradition.

    Golding, his government , the opposition and country are at their core corrupt and it has been all laid bare by this so called Duddus Coke issue. Is his real surname “Coke”?


  11. “Golding’s willingness to challenge the validity of the US extradition order is worthy of note. Whether his latest position on the ‘Coke’ matter is based on a noble principle, time will tell.”

    From day one everyone knew there was no principle involved and for any doubters the suden about face on the extradition request proved it.


  12. Please tell us why our leaders can’t see that the well trodden path which they insist on following will lead us to a moraless pit?

    Why are our leaders so bereft of ideas that none has the courage, intellect, vision, all the above to cut a new path?

    Why is the voice of the people not being heard?

    Why is the rancour of partisan politics being held high above the national politics?

    Why, why, why?

    Jamaica collapses in civil war and can anyone guess what happens?

    Here is a hint, the Haitian boat people.


  13. What is occurring in Jamaica isn’t only an indictment on the Jamaica Government it is an indictment on all those who were fervent in their cussing, and denigrating of the majority Barbadians in our position against illegal immigration and our expressed doubts about an integrated Caribbean with countries such as Jamaica Guyana and Trinidad.

    On Caribbean integration, and Barbadian Immigration matters and concerns, no Barbadian should ever take seriously again if they ever did the likes of

    NORMAN GIRVAN
    SHRIDATH RAMPHAL
    NORMAN FARRIER
    ELOMBE MOTTLEY
    MIA MOTTLEY
    OWEN ARTHUR
    George C. Brathwaite
    ANALEE DAVIS


  14. David,

    A good topic to deal with at this time, given the absolute seriousness of the political offences committed by Golding and the Cabinet of Jamaica – a fellow CARICOM country.

    A measure of substance too.

    But what it lacked in regard of the history of Jamaican garrison and turf politics was made up for by zion1971.

    Very fair contribution, zion1971.

    However, the statement that “These communities at election always vote 100% for the preferred MP and sometimes the number of votes exceed the number of registered voters in the area”, must be supported with the necessary evidence or at least reference to it.

    When did such occur?

    Too, esp. what does “always vote 100% for the preferred MP” mean in the context of multi-party elections in Jamaica?

    Finally, the Jamaican garrison turf politics situation and ultimately its often resort to unnecessary unrationalized violence to settle political and other scores cannot be simply explained alone by reference to its brand of patron-clientilism and which connects with a culture of international local drug trafficking and gun running, but by partial reference also to many other trends – some already long established – e.g. high rates of standardized illiteracy and innumeracy in those garrison areas; extreme poverty in those garrison areas and by extension many parts of Jamaica; serious disparities in income and wealth in Jamaica – esp with the history of IMF involvement in Jamaica society; Jamaica’s long being seen – since enslavement times in the Caribbean – by the many Western countries as a political and cultural threat to their idiotic imperialist culturalist agendas and therefore many Jamaicans responding and without fear to those agendas (its in these garrison areas in which many of these anti-western imperialist culturalist feelings are fueled).

    PDC


  15. When society becomes corrupt, and righteousness is scorned, this is the inevitable result.
    Mexico and Jamaica are only out front because their peoples tend to be more aggressive and pioneering than most; but we are all headed their way….

    Golding is a creature of the corrupt ‘Dudas Coke’ culture. His government has sought to legitimize Coke’s operation – issuing millions of dollars of government contracts to Coke. Clearly this is the reason he was ‘elected’ by his (coke’s) constituency.

    A society ALWAYS gets EXACTLY what it deserves. Bush Tea has always been of the position that what we need to focus on, is not “to find honest leaders”, but rather, to set systems in place to establish an honest and righteous SOCIETY. When ordinary people are honest, and just, and fair, they will generate leaders who are of like character.

    We are no better in Barbados. We just happen to be mild mannered, weak-willed and gutless in comparison to Jamaicans (and therefore years behind). But at a societal level, we too have adopted the selfish, dishonest, materialistic approach that will guarantee that we end up with leaders who exemplify these traits – to our eventual, inevitable destruction.

    I laugh at Crusoe’s suggestion of Golding turning a negative into a positive. This is not a fairy tale sir, Good does not come out of evil.

    Unfortunately for those of you who continue to think in terms of materialistic success and ‘development’ and ‘stability’ as per 20 years ago, we are on a steep, slippery slope to global chaos. Such days are forever gone…… because people ALWAYS get exactly what they deserve……

    …..If we think that crime and social chaos are big issues which should be addressed, let me warn all of the BU family that the BP Gulf oil mess will turn out to be “beyond your imagination” in terms of global chaos……..not to mention the weather, the coming water crisis, the fuel shortages etc. etc.
    Hang on for a wild ride….


  16. @David

    Your comment @ May 22, 2010 at 7:20 AM

    Mr. Golding interestingly enough has been quoted as saying he was willing to go to the Parliament in order to bring an end to lewd, and violent music, yet he has sided with Vybz Kartel against St. Lucia on the issue.


  17. Mr Golding suffers from the modern disease called “two-facedness”. It is caused by the dilemma of having a hidden dark agenda driven by evil forces while your professional PR, marketing and political advisers reel out what they wish the public to perceive.
    It continues to amaze the Bush Man how so many of us continue to place any worth at all on what such people say…….

    Even Bush Tea’s medical and religious ex-friend on BU became hostile when the bushman took the approach of looking at what he has actually DONE and ACHIEVED rather than what he says and preaches…..

    Fruit!! Fruit!! …. in the final analysis, all that count is the fruit….

    ….any Gulf oil updates MME….??!


  18. There is this Jamaican woman who calls in on the call in program on a regular basis and finds all kind of faults with Barbados and never wants to admit the flaws of Jamaica.
    She was challenged by Davis Ellis last week when she said that the same things are happening in Barbados in terms of garrisons.
    There is no comparison between Jamaica and Barbados with political tribalism. Those garrisons are well armed. You cannot wear the wrong colour shirt into those garrisons. There are PNP garrisons and JLP garrisons. The politicians know this and when in power give the dons in these garrisons’ government contracts so as to maintain their support.


  19. @Fair Play

    The writing is on the wall in Barbados as Bush Tea as so often opined.

    While we may lag Jamaica it should provide no comfort.

    It should come as no surprise the US has put out a travel advisory on Jamaica.


  20. In 2001, police trying to raid Tivoli Gardens were met by sniper fire, which led to a three-day standoff that killed 26 people.

    Christopher “Dudus” Coke’s Father Lester Lloyd Coke — aka “Jim Brown” –died in a suspicious fire in a jail cell in 1992 while awaiting extradition.

    Tivoli Gardens is a stronghold of the now Prime Minister Bruce Golding.


  21. At this early stage BU is ready to declare if we don’t discern any appreciable movement for the better in the areas of immigration and the transportation sector our lobby will be anti-government.

    To Minister Lashley this nonsense of you flying a kite on the issue of whether to issue mobile phones to school children which are locked for certain periods of the day is rubbish. Do what you have to do. In dread times dread actions have to be taken to arrest the situation. At some point in the future you do an assessment.

    We need to get our young ones back on track, and now!

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ David // May 22, 2010 at 5:40 PM
    Re
    @Fair Play
    The writing is on the wall in Barbados as Bush Tea as so often opined.While we may lag Jamaica it should provide no comfort.

    When we were students in Jamaica in the early 70’s we Bajans there would posit that the crime we saw there then, could never ever happen in Barbados. We were wrong as events in the next 10 years, and since has proven.

    @ Mr BT
    Re Even Bush Tea’s medical and religious ex-friend on BU became hostile when the bushman took the approach of looking at what he has actually DONE and ACHIEVED rather than what he says and preaches…..

    You KNOW absolutely NOTHING about what I have actually DONE or ACHIEVED. And I have never responded to the nasty and unkind things that you said on this blog without a cause. Thankfully, you know nothing about me.

    So to say that I became hostile at your untoward remarks is unreasonable and untrue. You will/can not find one sentence on BU that I have made towards you in response to what you said about me Sir. And you know it.


  23. David wrote “Prime Minister Bruce Golding has not been afraid to confront the controversial issues. His earlier position on NOT appointing gays in his cabinet…a pity more of our current crop of regional leaders have not demonstrated the gumption when confronted with the hard issues.”

    But David Bruce Golding’s government collects tax money from both gay and straight Jamaicans. Nowhere on the Jamajcan tax forms are the citizens required to write down whom they have sex with (or if they even have sex at all).

    So you and Bruce Golding believe that it is ok to require gay people to pay taxes but they must be forbidden from serving from serving in Cabinet?

    David don’t you and Bruce know that once upon a time a people who were required to pay taxes but had no representation cried out “no taxation without representation and had a revolution?

    David your comments and Bruce Golding’s words and actions don’t reflect “gumption”, rather they reflect cowardice and a profound dishonesty.

    You should both be ashamed of yourselves.


  24. @Bush Tea,’I laugh at Crusoe’s suggestion of Golding turning a negative into a positive. This is not a fairy tale sir, Good does not come out of evil.’

    Firstly, who said anything about a fairytale? There is nothing impossible nor magical about turning a political negative into a positive.

    It is called creative thinking and application of thought to action.

    Jamaica is at a crossroads and a clever politician will turn it to advantage.

    That is all there is to it, negativity will not help, application of solutions will.


  25. Dear David:

    Just suppose that Jamiaca had an all white male government (as Jamaica and Barbabdos and South Africa has had in historic times) and just suppose that all white, all male, Cabinet told black men, and women and white women, that they could NEVER sit at Cabinet table (but that they could continue to work hard and contirbute their labour and money to the development of the country) Would you also consider that a gumptious act? that ought to be emulated by other governments in the region?

    Just asking David.

    You could take ya time in formulating a THOUGHTFUL, TRUTHFUL answer.

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Crusoe Sir!

    Re Jamaica is at a crossroads and a clever politician will turn it to advantage.

    Jamaica was at the cross roads since Manley’s time in the early 70’s if not before.

    I fear things will be going further down hill for not only Jamaica, but for every other country. Leaders seem to have lost thier senses when you watch the news.

  27. Straight talk Avatar

    Let us not gloat upon JA’s descent into anarchy but recognise our own shortcomings on the straight and narrow road to democratic nationhood.
    Can we not see the thin end of the wedge occurring when the National Development Plan is corrupted by persons with more dollars than morals, the tacit approval of local taxation by the guys at Pie Corner or the blind eye given to the ZR culture.
    A country gets the government it deserves, and unless we demand more we will get less.


  28. We must guard against the steps that will take us down the slippery slope that Jamaica has found itself.The causes are not simple, combination of poverty, socialisation, corruption and political expediency. Alliances between political actors and drug pushers to secure votes, eventually tangled the political actors into the fabric of the drug world and therefore allowed a further expansion of drug actors into control of the wider society.That alliance presents a real and present danger to the institutions of a society.

    Do we need to worry, you can judge. Some political discussants in a rum shop said the last election thousands and thousands of dollars were distributed to constituents by the Dems in many consitutencies. Money grandfather they said. Never saw so much money yet. They were boasting about how much money they get. Might be policyholders money. Much found its way into the hands of young people and drug holes so the story goes. Hence the much higher than usual young voter turnout. All seems to be the political strategy undertaken, carried to every depth in the interest of winning an election at all costs . If any of this is true, then you have the beginings of the tangle of political and drug actors.

    If you have constituency councils that are controlled by purely political actors, which now have been given the go ahead by Thompson, to receive large donations with tax credits etc for donors. This could be ANY COMPANY or individual seeking to control a party, (Clico or Stanford) ; drug money to buy political cooperation ; money-laundering operations to get someone to turn a blind eye. This ties up politicians and parties with corrupt interests. Whenever you stand cap in hand begging for donations as a strategy for social development you expose the country’s political system to the potential for corruption and jeopardise its democracy. We seem to have taken a few steps down that slope. Perhaps we need to turn back.


  29. I see Big problems for Jamaica over the next few weeks.
    1.) The villagers are going to contiue their resistence on the police reaching Coke.
    2.) The U.S. government are going to impliment sanctions on Jamaica.
    3.) Travel by U.S citizens except on business or emergencies will be forbidden.
    4.) A serious upheavel will occur in Jamaica and many souls will be lost.
    5.) The C I A might try paying off one of Coke’s comfidants to kill him.
    6.) Failing this U.S.A will move in with milliary power and take Coke out.
    I think this matter now in Jamaica will wake up our administration here in Barbados to become pro-actionary and put things in place to avoid anything close to this happening here. Barbados is now a multi-national country and this scares me; remember our main industry is tourism and any little flairup here can spell disaster for Barbados.


  30. Hon Dr Georgie Porgie says…
    “You KNOW absolutely NOTHING about what I have actually DONE or ACHIEVED. And I have never responded to the nasty and unkind things that you said on this blog without a cause. Thankfully, you know nothing about me.”
    ************************************************************************************************
    The funny thing about you GP is that you are so oftentimes right. However your above is quite wrong. You see, we all know the things that YOU have told us about yourself here on BU.
    Presumably, YOU know about YOU!!
    In many cases you were not even asked, you volunteered the information.

    Did Bush tea invent the fact that you were applying for a teaching post and mailed copies of your passport information to the school? …. that you were chased from the Barbados health system? …which ‘nasty’ things did the bushman invent and say about you?

    In fact Dr GP, my substantive point was this….. How is it that a well educated, articulate man who claims to understand the words and intent of the one and only God of the universe does not have everything that he desires?
    Man even If COW or Kiffin Simpson was your father you would want for nothing….far less God…

    …..In your shoes, the bushman would wonder out loud about my father’s commitment and definitely be seeking a paternity test.
    However if you prefer to cuss the messenger so be it – join the long line…

    @ Crusoe
    Not challenging your wishful thinking about hopefully ‘turning negative into positive’… we all hope for this…..
    I am just realistically pointing out that only in fairy tales do frogs turn into handsome princes and everyone lives happily afterwords.
    In real life, if something can go wrong – IT WILL…and if it starts wrong, it will get worst.

    As GP says, Jamaica has been on this track for decades now. On a visit there years ago, the Bush Man was moved to tears at the state of affairs of the people of that REALLY beautiful country. This is why people like LIB and Dictionary rub the Bush man’s feathers in the wrong direction. What kind of patriot ignores the terminal illness of his own flesh and blood, while offering to help us strangers with our flu symptoms? Charity begins AT HOME!!!

    Here is another reason why societies will fail.
    When the talented products of a society CHOOSES to put their personal, materialistic desires above the interest of their OWN FLESH AND BLOOD and run off to more affluent abodes in search of personal aggrandizement, it robs that society of a most vital quality – LEADERSHIP.
    Whether we are talking about the move from the Villages to the Heights, or from the Islands to the “Developed” world – the result is- that substandard leadership is all that remains in the already challenged societies.

    The funny thing is that these emigrants to the first world often go on to become nothing more than production units in their new environments – where they could have been shining lights in their home society.

    Not picking on my friend Adrian Hinds or seeking to further upset GP, But there is no way that foolishness could have happened with that ZR recently if my man AH was in town…..

    Perhaps money is indeed the root of all evil.


  31. @J

    Prime Minister Bruce Golding has not been afraid to confront the controversial issues. His earlier position on NOT appointing gays in his cabinet…a pity more of our current crop of regional leaders have not demonstrated the gumption when confronted with the hard issues.

    Have a reread of the quote. Golding in our view has demonstrated gumption at his willingness to confront the controversial issues. That is all BU is saying.


  32. I don’t think that a Jamaica style garrison community situation is imminent in Barbados. That mentality and situation was set up by and nurtured by politicians there on both sides of their political fence over several decades. The current serious eruption in Jamaica appears to be that essentially a prime minister, heavily and historically beholden to criminal elements in his stronghold community, lacked the foresight to put his country first when the extradition issue came up and acted as if there was a de jure as well as the de facto paramountcy of the party in effect in that country.

    I suggest this because, as far as I can discern, there is no community in Barbados that votes en bloc for one political party and has armed enforcers to ensure this state of affairs. In practically every community here votes are split between the DLP and BLP. In many households the same thing holds true. Even where one may conclude that historically a community is DLP or BLP there is usually significant support for the other party. True, the Pine is often held up as an example of a Bajan Garrison Community essentially because of the popularity of Hammie-La there. But even in the Pine, there are none of the overarching lawless and solid partisan characteristics that define a Jamaican Tivoli Gardens type community and it should be remembered that Hammie La’s support is not partisan. He got his support as a DLP then a BLP and that support is unlikely to wane, all things being equal, as he now switches back to DLP again. Similarly, the communities where one party or another can be practically assured of overwhelming support owes this to individual strong charismatic politicians.

    However, Barbados seems to be headed into serious probems that stem from a multiplicity of causes. Some are related to drastic changes in attitudes and perhaps morals as well. Some to pressures related to what appears to be an unequal and mismatched relatively rapid physical development as compared with somewhat lagging social and human development. Some to a better-than-thou attitude to other caribbean countries which, in a situation where we all have to work together to survive the current world financial situation could create some problems down the road. Some to what, from outside, appears to be somewhat ill-advised strategies for combatting the current financial morass we are in.

    But some are political in nature. These include the continuing but seemingly unproven “disclosures” of apparent financial improprieties by members of the past Government which has set the stage for thinking persons to view all politicians as being basically dishonest, especially when the DLP Government does not appear to be keeping its pre-election promises for transparency, FOIA acts, etc. They also include the way in which the power of the current Government is apparently being exercised. The recent Gunplay issue in the house is a case in point. However, the Speaker has done much in his considered recent statement to defuse that issue. If one looks carefully, the handling of the CLICO situation in Barbados has some faint parallels with the Jamaica “coke” affair where one can just discern the similarities where a privileged member of the society, with connections to top Government officials, was apparently treated in an exceptional manner in a situation where that person’s actions might have been illegal and which might have had severe repercussions on important facets of the Country’s governance and perhaps economy. In addition, the seeming strategy to exclude the opposition from meaningful access to CBC while allowing such access by members of the Governing Party speaking at purely partisan functions, is another example that, if allowed to escalate, could lead down the slippery slope of paramountcy of the party here too.


  33. Regrettably BU has find itself on the right side of many issues so far. We fervently hope that we and other family members are wrong about what we see on the horizon for Barbados if we remain on the current path. BU et al will get no joy from stating, ‘we told you so’.

    @Checkit

    Just when you were doing so well you couldn’t maintain an apolitical stance. That is part of the problem in Barbados which will grow more acute with time. The problem with your view is the lack of anticipation/projection.

    @Bush Tea

    Suppose it is too much to ask the Jamaicans who were commenting earlier to give their viewpoint? Life is a crock sometimes when assessing the issue of relevance.

  34. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re Did Bush tea invent the fact that you were applying for a teaching post and mailed copies of your passport information to the school?

    NO you didnt but your thoughts on the situation was incorrect. All these schools are now employing Indian boys straight out of school for 1/4 or 1/5th of the former standard pay.

    In other jobs I had in offshore schools I had to send the same information to the schools OK? It was nothing new.

    I did not say that I was chased from the Barbados health system, because I was not? I often still get reports of folk over hearing nurses in Public Clinics saying “If Dr X was here, these patients would have been seen already”

    You commented on facts that you do not know of. You said things that were not kind. or necessary or relevant to the discussion. Men dont treat so called friends like that BT. I have not responded to the things you said.

    Your twist on things I said at a time I was feelng down was just not nice BT. YOu forgot that many things are relative. You did not have the information to draw the conclusions you made

    Your substantitive point is one that has been asked by the Psalmist and Habbakkuk and others for centuries. I am not alone.

    Re How is it that a well educated, articulate man who claims to understand the words and intent of the one and only God of the universe does not have everything that he desires?
    …..In your shoes, the bushman would wonder out loud about my father’s commitment and definitely be seeking a paternity test.

    That is not really your business BT. It probably is not mine either. All I can tell you is that I have seen him work and done above that which I have asked. He has done a lot for me and kept me from much harm and danger

    I dont know of many folk that have everything that they DESIRE. We often desire things that is not God’s will. I love teaching in offshore schools because the money is good and tax free; and I love teaching medical school. I could have taught the Biochem there in Aruba while teaching the other 3 or 4 online classes that I have.

    You dont know of the number of jobs I refused or the one in which I was appointed the Dean and walked out after three days because I didnt like the conditions.

    And I have never cursed you BT. The worse I have ever said to you is that you had Biblical lactose intolerance or galactosemia. But I have not sought to denigrate you or kick you when you might be down. You thought I was down but I am not.

    Re However if you prefer to cuss the messenger so be it – join the long line… Again you know that I have not responded to what you said. I have never cursed you neither do I have any malice against you despite your indiscretion.

    Re The funny thing is that these emigrants to the first world often go on to become nothing more than production units in their new environments – where they could have been shining lights in their home society.

    This is not necessarily true. I have seen good Bajan doctors who returned home with hopes of doing much at home, and had to flee because of envy. I have seen men who were well trained and highly respected overseas because of thier brilliance, flee because of pressure from men who said they were specialists but who had not even done post grad anywhere.

    Read John 3:2 Note the phrase WE KNOW.
    There are men in my profession who have sought to keep persons down despite they KNOWING that the men have talent and ability and see them as threats.

    Why is it that foreigners have the job that I only ever acted in for 14 years even though the powers that be KNOW that the men who hold the [posts DO NOT DO THE WORK?

    It is better to be here enjoying myself in my little corner where I can shut myself off from many things, than to be at home and be angry and frustrated.
    Be good

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    BT
    re

    Here is another reason why societies will fail.
    When the talented products of a society CHOOSES to put their personal, materialistic desires above the interest of their OWN FLESH AND BLOOD and run off to more affluent abodes in search of personal aggrandizement, it robs that society of a most vital quality – LEADERSHIP.
    Whether we are talking about the move from the Villages to the Heights, or from the Islands to the “Developed” world – the result is- that substandard leadership is all that remains in the already challenged societies.

    Whereas there is much merit in your opinion, everyone does not wish to be in politics. This often affects their opportunities to lead whether in school at church at play – wherever. ENVY is a major issue. Also democracy is not always the best way of chosing leaders. But you know all these things man.

    When I was a junior Dr I was able to advise Government and develop and propose the plan by which our NHS from the polyclinics, rather than following the UK system.

    Another time I proposed a system to turn public clinics so they should function more efficiently and work like private clinics. It was approved by the head of the relevant Department, and then vetoed by a moron with little knowledge of the situation called “a health planner.”

    Once a drug rep came to my home about 30 years. He asked me to help him prepare for a competion his company had in Guatemala. I said to him Why dont you go to Dr Y? He is supposed to be a maguffy He has a PhD in the subject. I am a mere junior.

    His response was HE SENT ME TO YOU! I wont bore you with all the things that man did to me as a student and as an intern. Even at that time I was exhibiting leadership. But clearly, that was/is not God’s will for me.

    There are many others like me.

  36. G.C.Brathwaite Avatar
    G.C.Brathwaite

    I am simply taken back that Adrian Hinds has such an obsession with me or my name, makes me wonder what is he about? For a man that claims some intelligence, and I do not wish to doubt you, you have an unconvincing way of muddling issues. Please remove your chastity belt and exhale. You are stifling in your own folly and vanity. Barbados will do what barbados has to do. Many will come and play their parts. Some will be on one side and others another, but I assure you that Barbados will prevail. I am sorry to diffuse your infatuation with my name although I am sure that you are the proverbial enemy of Barbados and Barbadians.


  37. @Well as the old people would say “Lie down with dogs you get up with fleas”. In this case the politicians have looked the other way and now the country will have to pay a heavy price. This man is Dudds is very powerful in Jamaica and is also well liked among many of the people he has helped.
    Meanwhile the united states . Britain , and Canada , has issued travel alerts to its citizens travellingt to Jamaica. Also the Jamaican National Reserve has been called out. It is going to be interesting to see the outcome of all of this as the sh…t hit the fan


  38. @ GP
    Have you considered the possibility that you may be excessively defensive – even at times when it is completely unnecessary? No one on BU questions the extent of your knowledge and abilities. (well -at least no one else- LOL), I can honestly tell you that my intent and expectation when I raised this issue was that you would have gone on to explain to the BU family why an all powerful and loving father may have chosen to deny or ignore, the wishes and desires of a loyal son or daughter.
    Bush Tea’s own experience is completely different, so I am very interested in learning why it may not be the case that “all things work for the good of those…..”

    With respect to the impact of emigrants leaving villages and communities for their own personal gain, I am not talking in terms of POLITICAL leadership.
    Bush Tea means community leadership. The kind of leadership which allows young villagers to look at, to know, to touch and to grow up seeing what SUCCESS looks like.

    Do you have any idea what it would mean for little Johnny Doe from Monroe Village to personally know and be inspired by Dr. the Hon. GP? How many youths do you think you may have motivated to become a doctor ‘just like GP’?

    If LIB was actually LIJ -back where he came from, he may have inspired hundreds of Jamaican youths to use him as a role model – rather than being limited to modeling Coke.
    It is call being the salt of the earth, and being the ‘light’ that is held up for others to see. It is the realization that LOVE begins at home.
    When one has demonstrated the ability to love one’s OWN flesh and blood, then and only then – is one qualified to offer to love strangers.

    It is the ultimate in selfishness to run away with one’s valuable talent and wealth of contribution- only to hide in blissful anonymity among strangers. Effectively burying your talents that are so badly needed at home in the villages.

    …..but what does a Bushman know???…


  39. Vulnerability of small economies requires vigilance on the part of citizens to ensure that they safeguard their democracy. Checkitout’s comments about financial improprieties of the last administration seriously requires some attention. ( Sorry to tell you but Bajans were of the view that politicians were dishonest long before 1994.) But the very important point is, that the scale of dishonesty levelled by the charges of the DLP means that somebody needs to be placed in bangles and escorted to the luxurious Dodds. DLP came to office saying corruption and promising integrity.They named Hardwood, highway, UDC, RDC, Dodds, World cup. Day after day, mess and corruption allegations in parliament. I was looking forward to hearing of somebody going to jail.This is going three years, since Mr. Thompson sweeping into glorious victory. Let us get rid of the smoke and mirrors and deal with facts, unless this is bare talk. Stop the talk and deal with the situation, no person is above the law. Nobody, and this is our money. If this gov’t fails to deal with this matter it can only lead to people believing that they have failed to act because they want to do worse;or it was just another HH ploy to aggravate the emotions of Barbadians, and hope they do not notice that no facts are given, no legal action taken, no reports on forensic audits are publicised. To fail to act is to be callous, if the treasury was raped, let us do something about it.

    Until these things are dealt with, we are opening ourselves to the Jamaica situation. I repeat the constituency councils and the current legislation opens the door to creating political strongholds in consitutency, with the compliments Hartley Henry. Receiving largesse from whoever. It is a ploy to get around limitations on election spending. Anybody can give unlimited sums to specific constituences to support a particular candidate or party.The conditions are set for wholesale corruption of the political process with legal permission. Also the taxpayers pay for this by giving tax credits.

    Furthermore while the BLP mentioned this in part, what assurance do we have that they will change this when the pendulum swings their way again. They may only talk now because it disadvantages them. I say ABOLISH THAT LAW, it is dangerous. He who has an EAR to HEAR, let him hear. IF the DLP wants the electorate to believe in them and the political system, honesty, integrity and accountability cannot be just buzzwords. NOW YOU ARE WARNED, ABOLISH THAT LAW. Step back from this slippery slope if we want to avoid the abyss of the Jamaica debacle.


  40. G.C Brathwaite, were I as ugly as you I would be thankfull for any and all recognition I got. lol!

    I knew not of you nor cared too until you decided to attacked me on Norman Girvan’s website.

    Barbados will prevail as long as it does not give any real responsibility to you and those I mentioned.

    That shall be my focus. lol!


  41. @BushTea

    You are so intelligent………………………………….


  42. BAJAN TRUTH your comments

    Bajan Truth // May 22, 2010 at 10:09 PM

    ……are partisan in nature. The causes for Jamaica’s problems are not complex. At the core to their issues is disrespect for institutions, encouraged by opposition parties. The same behavior is being encouraged in Barbados by both parties while in opposition. Thompson while opposition made a call to all DLP members that could have been taken out of context by some as to what he meant. Now you have Noel Lynch telling BLP members to become more militant. This is how it starts.

    Money to buy votes in the last election was rumored to have been engaged in by both parties. They are videos of the Owen Arthur’s car and of Peter Millar working a crowd of persons in Mascoll’s former constituency.

    I saw the right Rev. or is it Pastor Patrick Tannis as chairman of a St. Michael constituency council canvassing the residents of his area. I know Patrick I know his relationships and I do not know how someone can say that the Constituency council one of which he is chairman is a partisan undertaking.


  43. @ ac… yuh sweet flatterer yuh!!

    ….but somehow ‘intelligent’ and ‘bush’ seem more oxymoron than complimentary… LOL
    ‘Wise’? … maybe – that is possible, since wisdom is 100% a gift from ‘above’, but if you want to talk ‘intelligent’ you want our friend MME.


  44. Maybe if the opposition would sit in the seat provided under the CC arrangement it could validate many of their concerns which to be frank at the moment is only shooting hot air. Again Bajan Truth like others seem to be politicizing this matter.


  45. Here is another reason why societies will fail.
    When the talented products of a society CHOOSES to put their personal, materialistic desires above the interest of their OWN FLESH AND BLOOD and run off to more affluent abodes in search of personal aggrandizement, it robs that society of a most vital quality – LEADERSHIP.
    Whether we are talking about the move from the Villages to the Heights, or from the Islands to the “Developed” world – the result is- that substandard leadership is all that remains in the already challenged societies.

    The funny thing is that these emigrants to the first world often go on to become nothing more than production units in their new environments – where they could have been shining lights in their home society.

    Not picking on my friend Adrian Hinds or seeking to further upset GP, But there is no way that foolishness could have happened with that ZR recently if my man AH was in town…..

    Perhaps money is indeed the root of all evil.
    =========================================

    My man! don’t think that you could attack me, and that I will run away from the fight. I am not GP. LOL!

    The talented did not CHOOSE to leave, any more than society did little to keep them. It wasn’t only the police that successive governments told that they were not special, and every person that rise up to fight for us all you Bush-Tea pull down and continues to do so. The fact that we become mere production units in the develop world should signal to you that it does not take much to keep us, yet you don’t. Ask the doctors, nurses, teachers, police agents, artisan, thinkers etc why they left Barbados. Ask the ones that are still there if all is well, if they are happy and if the opportunity presents itself to leave if they would. No socialist dogma isn’t going to be successful in keeping me tied to a place and behaviors that awards not on merit but on who one knows etc.

    BTW wuh happen with ZR vans recently? Are you referring to the 50 men who were encouraged by two young whores to attack a ZR van? Doesn’t the behavior these two females remind you of Mia Mottley?


  46. @Scout ‘May 22, 2010 at 10:23 PM

    I see Big problems for Jamaica over the next few weeks.
    1.) The villagers are going to contiue their resistence on the police reaching Coke.
    2.) The U.S. government are going to impliment sanctions on Jamaica.
    3.) Travel by U.S citizens except on business or emergencies will be forbidden.
    4.) A serious upheavel will occur in Jamaica and many souls will be lost.
    5.) The C I A might try paying off one of Coke’s comfidants to kill him.
    6.) Failing this U.S.A will move in with milliary power and take Coke out.
    I think this matter now in Jamaica will wake up our administration here in Barbados to become pro-actionary and put things in place to avoid anything close to this happening here. Barbados is now a multi-national country and this scares me; remember our main industry is tourism and any little flairup here can spell disaster for Barbados’

    ———————

    Re 1) If the J’ca security forces have the correct instructions, the resistance will not be long, but deaths will be high
    2) Only if Coke is not taken swiftly
    3) Very possibly, actually wisely, for fear of reprisals vs US citizens
    4) Most probably, saldy maybe even needfully for J’ca to move forward. In crude terms better four hindred now than tehn thousand in ten years, sorry.
    5) Very possibly, and maybe the may forward with least resulting deaths. BUT, someone else will take over, better to root out the nest now and remove it. Understand that I am talking from a purely security viewpoint, no humanitarian.
    6) As a last resort, but hopefully the Jamaican Gov’t will grow some balls and do what they were elected to i.e. take Jamaica on the right path. Otherwise a bloodbath will come later, anything other than proper action now is delaying the inevitable.

    As for replies on humanitarian grounds, remember that this group and its leader are selling drugs, mind-killing suntsances to the ‘good Jamaican people’ including youth!

    So, why sugar coat action for their benefit? You want to fix things or not.

    As I said, FULL METAL-JACKET!


  47. By the way, for those who want this to be arrested here, then place a hold on this CSME full integration rubbish.

    As is being shown now, that the oft-quoted grandiose EU is having is own problems, not just economic, with this full integration idea.

    Yes, trading bloc, yes working todgether on major initiatives, but NO, to full integration.


  48. @Crusoe

    A comment from the Peter Wickhams and David Commisiongs would be priceless on this issue.


  49. Village? Tivoli Gardens is a neighborhood in downtown Kingston, near the business district,wharf and airport


  50. “The funny thing is that these emigrants to the first world often go on to become nothing more than production units in their new environments.”

    Barbados has benefitted from those who emigrated.

    Most Bajans who emigrated repatriate some of the “production unit” earnings.

    Most emigrated to “improve” themselves and take advantage of Educational opportunities not available in Barbados.

    The cycle of emigration has benefitted Barbados and u
    nlike some other caribbean countries, there has been no “brain drain” except with respect to Georgie Porgie.LOL

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