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freespeechI feel compelled to post this as a means of helping users to get an understanding of where they legally stand with internet usage. I believe that everyone should know their rights and when it comes to the internet, rights are hazy in the minds of the public. Many who are connected to the internet browse with much fear of viruses and other threats, especially theft of their identity; we hear the horror stories of identity theft and wish it not to be visited upon us.

It is important to note that when you start a blog or use any virtual platform, you agree to the terms of service of the provider. The action of BFP to post a defamatory article exceeded professional boundaries and breached the WordPress terms to which it had agreed. This defamatory exposition followed a long period of time where bloggers using BU were harassed, threatened and bullied to stop commenting on BU. It is a very important point because all along, BFP have been insinuating that BU commenters are without quality and that the BFP blog is superior. These are myths which must be debunked because from the WordPress policy on freedom of speech, a blog thread will only be removed if it contravenes WordPress’ Terms of Service and a blog thread was removed from BFP by WordPress.

It means that BFP breached the Terms of Service of WordPress.com and that WordPress took action against them based on the complaint of a private citizen. The next step for a private citizen who has been so harmed is to apply to the court for an order of pre-action disclosure to aid in bringing an action against the perpetrator.

I have only recently seen a copy of the Judgement in the Google case and after reading it, my conclusion is that this ruling is very relevant to us and brings the “virtual” internet environment in touch with the reality of modern day life, in such a way that there is no erosion of established rights and freedoms.

It seems obvious too that the USA is miles ahead of us down here struggling with these issues. This is obviously not the first such USA Court ruling as precedents are cited. Further, it is interesting to note how the legal principles have been transposed to the virtual environment, to make it a certainty that any citizen whose rights are infringed by an anonymous person on the internet has a guarantee from the court that it will force disclosure of the identity of the transgressor. Barbados did pass an act dealing with the use of the computer and digital transactions but I am unable to put my hands on it right now.

However, there can be no debate that the computer is an extension of the person and the internet is an extension of our environment where everything that happens in public is or can be at the fingertips of each user; transcending time lapses and distances between locations.

Of interest, here is the Court’s take on internet usage:

    The court also rejects the Anonymous Blogger’s argument that this court should find as a matter of law that Internet blogs serve as a modern day forum for conveying personal opinions, including invective and ranting, and that the statements in this action when considered in that context, cannot be reasonably understood as factual assertions.

    To the contrary, as one court in Virginia has articulated: “In that the Internet provides a virtually unlimited, inexpensive, and almost immediate means of communication with tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people, the dangers of its misuse cannot be ignored. The protection of the right to communicate anonymously must be balanced against the need to assure that those persons who choose to abuse the opportunities presented by this medium can be made to answer for such transgressions. Those who suffer damages as a result of tortious or other actionable communications on the Internet should be able to seek appropriate redress by preventing the wrongdoers from hiding behind an illusory shield of purported First Amendment rights.”

Anonymity has always been a bother to me. When I walk down Broad Street I am not anonymous so why when I go out into the “virtual” world I must be anonymous to the point where I am a shadow or a phantom? Hence, what the court has done is reinforced the principle that “transgressors” cannot do wrong and get away with it. Conversely, the court also guarantees that if you have not done a wrong, your anonymity will be protected.

In the Google case, for example, the test employed here was to determine if a wrong was committed. Google contended that no wrong was committed. The Judgment states: “In opposing (the) petitioner’s application, the Anonymous Blogger contends that (the) petitioner is not entitled to pre-action discovery because she cannot demonstrate a meritorious claim for defamation.”

Similarities lie in the two cases because on all points of law, BFP had “prima facie” defamed. There was/is nothing to contend. The defamation came by saying that an identifiable citizen and public personality was “protecting” (definitively) criminal activity; an accusation that is capable of being either proved or disproved.

The second element of the BFP case was malice because the BFP author admitted that the information could be confirmed on the internet and failed to give due consideration to the fact that it was out of the jurisdiction of Barbados and hence there could be no withholding of information from the Barbados Police.

Note that the courts proclaimed that abusers must be made to pay for “their transgressions”. Society cannot tolerate such abuse with impunity because it would wreak havoc on the society and it ought not to be inflicted on the society. However, without strong evidence that a wrong has been perpetrated, anonymity is protected. In the case of BFP there is a strong case that defamation was perpetrated; based on a statement that can be proven false and evidence that the conclusion is outrageous and could not be construed as fair comment. The Judge had this to say about such an eventuality under the term “Pre-Action Disclosure”:

    The law in New York governing pre-action discovery is well settled. CPLR 3 102(c) requires a court order for pre-action disclosure to aid in bringing an action or to preserve information. See Matter of Uddin v. New York Citv Transit Authority, 27 AD3d 265,266 (1st Dept 2006). When a party seeks pre-action disclosure to secure additional information necessary to frame a complaint or to identify the proper defendant with respect to a known cause of action, “courts traditionally require a strong showing that a cause of action exists.” Siegel, Supplementary Practice Commentaries, McKinney’s Cons Laws of NY, Book 7B, CPLR 31025 at 92. “‘A petition for pre-action discovery should only be granted when the petitioner demonstrates that he or she has a meritorious cause of action and that the information sought is material and necessary to the actionable wrong.”’ Matter Uddin v. New York Citv Transit Authority, supra at 266 (quoting Holzman v. Manhattan & Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authoritv, 271 AD2d 346, 347 [1st Dept 2000]); accord Matter of Peters v. Southeby’s Inc., 34 AD3d 29, 34 (1st Dept 2006), lv app den 8 NY3d 809 (2007); Matter of Bliss v. Jafin, 176 AD2d 106, 108 (1st Dept 1991); Matter of Stewart v. New York City Transit Authority, 112 AD2d 939 (2nd Dept 1985). “As a general rule, ‘the adequacy of merit rests within the sound discretion of the court. ’”

The courts recognise that the internet is a legitimate means of communications which has become commonplace and, to the extent that it is a public tool, it has to be for public benefit; as such the courts’ mandate as the judicial arm of the State is to ensure that it is safe for public use. The courts are therefore protecting blogs like Barbados Underground, which have objectives of freedom of speech; frank and free discussion at the national level on national issues and interests, but more important, has no hidden agenda to cause harm.

What this established is the boundaries where free speech and the anonymous use of the internet stops. The lessons learned are that you can blog your fingers off so long as you do not defame or commit other offences such as being a nuisance or persecuting people or any actionable offences which can be committed via the internet. Here is where the word “Transgressions” as used by the court is best understood because it does not stop at defamation; “Transgressions” is construed here to cover the spectrum of rights and responsibilities which we publicly enjoy.

Having said the above it is your right and your duty to ensure that none of these transgressions are inflicted upon you. By taking a stand, and for every transgression corrected, the more we will enjoy the rights given to us under our constitution and laws of Barbados. The downside of not standing up is that you will be bullied and intimidated as was experienced on BU.

A good guideline for blogging can be found in the wordpress.com policy on abuse and freedom of speech. Under abuse, wordpress states: In addition to spam and copyright issues, we will suspend blogs or blog posts for the following types of abuse:

  • Personal threats and revealing of personal information
  • Calls to violence
  • Impersonation of a private person
  • Accusations that can be proven wrong (for example wrongfully calling someone a convicted felon)

Under freedom of speech WordPress is even more instructive. It states: “The team behind WordPress.com strongly believes in freedom of speech. Our service is designed to let internet users freely express any ideas and opinions without us censoring or endorsing them. We think this has led to many great blogs being published on WordPress.com. However, you may also find the occasional blog that offends you. It might offend us as well, but while we are strict about shutting down blogs that violate our terms of service (no spam, personal threats, incitement of violence, etc), we will not shut down blogs because they are offensive. We think the right response to bad or offensive ideas is to speak out against them, not to censor them.”

In this regard, Barbados Underground should rise to the occasion and hold itself up as the example for all to see and follow because it has stuck within the boundaries of the terms of service of WordPress. Obviously, contributors, without any idea of the law or terms of service were able to gauge what was reasonable and acceptable.

As for the operators of blogs like David who may feel that they may be the target of a law suit in the event that an anonymous blogger defames somebody. If we take the cue from Google, David’s only legal duty is to release the name of the offender so long as it can be established that an actionable offence has been committed. As a matter of fact, there is nothing wrong with BU adopting a policy to disclose in such circumstances because we cannot be seen as harbouring wrongdoers. To reinforce what I said earlier, it must be established that an “actionable wrong” was committed before an identity is released.

The courts are certainly championing the cause of freedom of speech and the protection of individual rights. Furthermore, a lot more is recognised and settled in law than we realise and we should seek to familiarise ourselves or be taken advantage of by those who would seek to abuse.


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165 responses to “Google Court Decision Guarantees Public Protection On The Internet”


  1. @Chris and @John. Sorry not to have responded sooner. I have had a bit of a work emergency to take care of. As soon as I have caught my breath and had a moment to read all the backup, I will get back to you.

    On the matter of limitation, Chris, there is a whole body of decisions that support the contention that the limitation periods cannot run until the tort is discovered. There have been a few Canadian decisions in recent years and back in the 90s, there was one from the House of Lords. They are quite heavy reading and I am not sure of their relevance to this thread, which is ROK’s, and which is internet defamation.

    Briefly, however, with apologies to ROK and David for the tangent: If someone commits a tort (civil wrong) against you and you fail to take action for a period of time, it may be claimed in defense that you have acquiesced and consented to the tort. However, there can be no consent if you did not know about it. Therefore, your action can be limited only from the time you knew that you had been wronged.

    This is why matters dealing with estates, land and other government-related matters, have to be advertized in the press and the Official Gazette. The legal presumption then is that no one can claim that they did not know. Usually, these notices carry a date by which any legal proceedings have to be filed. This is not an arbitrary date, but one set according to strict guidelines.

    A brief illustration and I am not sure that these are not real circumstances from a case that was tried….they may be. A trustee of an estate for (let us say) an underaged person was acting in a manner that constituted a tort against that underaged person. Upon attaining their majority and discovering the tort, an action was brought. The trustee claimed laches (unreasonable delay) and acquiesence as a defense. The court ruled that this was not available to the court would rule that this defense was not available to them as the action was brought in a timely manner once the tort was discovered.

    I read the blogs you posted the sites for, Chris and John. I did not read all the comments, the main blog was vomitous enough. On the basis of that alone, I would never have voted for the BLP. Bajans don’t appreciate being talked down to like a bunch of retarded four-year-olds.

    Later I will “study my head” and respond to the rest.


  2. Chris, reading my local, UK version of The Nation, just now, I noticed that somebody’s petitioning for the late Tom Adams to be regarded as a national hero!! Is that because he was another ‘pretty white boy’!! and, if so, how do I become one?!!


  3. Anon, what’s a tort?!! It’s a long time since I was a barrister’s clerk!!

    Lord!!


  4. at Lincoln’s Inn, Holborn, London!!


  5. Bimbro, you know exactly what a tort is. However, let me indulge you in your desire to appear to be that internationally famous pretty black boy, but with no brains – hey, man, if it works for you, I’m cool with it.

    A tort (“tort”, being taken from the French for “wrong” – as you know, Bimbro?) means “civil wrong”. If you want more, Wikipedia is an excellent source. Even though you probably wrote the article in Wikipedia.

    Peace, bro.


  6. What would be the limitation on fraud?

    Is fraud a tort?


  7. Fraud can be both a tort and a crime. There are many such that have both a civil and criminal definition.

    There is no statute of limitation on crime. I will check the Act and get back to you on fraud as a tort.


  8. Hi Anon, yes, I’ve certainly known what a tort is, longer than I care to remember! Yup, duh can tink I ignorant if duh want. No probs!!

    Laaaaaaddddddddddddddd!!


  9. @Anon: “On the matter of limitation, Chris, there is a whole body of decisions that support the contention that the limitation periods cannot run until the tort is discovered.

    Thank you for your learned response. And I understand what you’re saying above. But, with respect, I’m not sure you understand what I am saying…

    My concern specifically has to do with defamation, slander and “malicious falsehood”.

    Again, as a layman, it would seem to me to be reasonable to limit the above limitation from when the act of harm was first transmitted.

    I am very concerned about the precedents being set elsewhere which appear to be used (or, at least, used as an excuse) to limit access to archives.

    Another thing which concerns me… I haven’t found it yet, but I remember reading an article in The Economist about a year ago which talked about an author which was successfully sued in the UK because the subject of the author didn’t like what was said.

    Importantly, the author was not necessarily wrong. And the “harmed party” wasn’t even a UK resident or citizen. But it was decided that the UK had the most “liberal” laws for success by the claimant.

    Are we all to be limited by those away decide? Are those away always correct? Have we lost our sovereignty? (A separate question: did we every really have it?)

    And if I may please share a personal experience…

    I had (very briefly) a series of articles published in the local Barbados Forth Estate.

    The matters of subject didn’t like what I was saying, and so they threatened to sue me under the Barbados Defamation Act for “Malicious Falsehood”. (Interestingly, MF doesn’t actually have to include falsehood.)

    While I was more than willing to fight my ground (I was *so* looking forward to Discovery), my counsel convinced me not to. (I’m regretting accepting that advise.)

    Importantly, however… The newspaper which published my articles also received a similar letter. I was dropped like a hot potato!

    I guess, fundamentally, I’m concerned about the suppression of open dialogue, by those who use the Law inappropriately.

    @Anon… Your thoughts would be most welcome on my above.


  10. @Anon… Some more context for your consideration…

    The below is the first article cited in the claimant’s threat of legal action:

    http://www.ideas4lease.com/blog/2008/02/29/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-competition/


  11. @Anon… And here’s the second article cited…

    My apologies for two posts, but WordPress will nominally automatically moderate comments with more than one URL.

    http://www.ideas4lease.com/blog/2008/03/09/understanding-cable-and-wireless-in-barbados/


  12. @Chris

    You obviously got somethings mixed up with that English case. It could hardly be tried in England unless the wrong happened within the jurisdiction of the English courts.

    Anon is perfectly correct that time does not start to run until you are aware of the wrong. Several authorities on that stretching back 2 centuries. That is settled law. The rationale is, if you don’t know you can’t take action and if you know and do nothing then you would have acquiesced.

    Why did you back down if you could prove that what you described is capable of happening in the industry? That was the first one.

    Second one, I am not seeing anything defamatory, again, once you can prove that this happens in the industry and is the most likely reason for the observations. That is fair comment.

    The question you ought to be asking Anon now is whether or not a person in claiming you defamed them, actually defamed you?


  13. @ROK: “You obviously got somethings mixed up with that English case. It could hardly be tried in England unless the wrong happened within the jurisdiction of the English courts.

    As you know, I’m always willing to admit that I am wrong.

    But, my understanding on the English case is the article was available online, and at least one person downloaded it in England.

    And, therefore, the case could (and was) tried in England.

    I have that article somewhere in my piles of Economists… I will endeavour to find it.

    @ROK… With regards to the rest of your above post… You are correct — I made a mistake. I should not have let the matter be dropped. I made the mistake of listening to my counsel….

    Perhaps C&W (LIME) will actually bring forward the lawsuit?

    Or, perhaps Anon can advise: can I request that a threatened lawsuit be brought to the courts? Can I counter sue under the same terms?


  14. @ROK: “The question you ought to be asking Anon now is whether or not a person in claiming you defamed them, actually defamed you?

    I had not thought of that…

    I was not actually defamed, since the correspondence was private between C&W’s lawyer and myself. And (allegedly) with my publisher.

    But it worth noting that neither the Barbados Advocate nor The Nation have been willing to publish an article by me since, despite repeated requests…

    @Anon… What says you? Have I been publicly harmed by being silenced? Do I have an actionable case?

    (I, of course, have e-mail records as evidence (held by an independent third party (Google, in fact)) to support my above claims.)


  15. @Chris
    Communication with a third party is publication, even if only to one person and especially where such communication is the only source of harm to you.


  16. @ROK…

    I *so* need to study law more deeply, rather than work from inferences based on how it affects me….


  17. @Chris

    “I was not actually defamed, since the correspondence was private between C&W’s lawyer and myself. And (allegedly) with my publisher.”

    This is a perfect example of how time starts to run. From what I see it is my opinion that you were defamed but you do not know you were defamed. Well time will start to run for you at the time that you discovered that you were defamed.

    I am taking my cue from the fact that you said it was alleged that the media was informed by C&W. Maybe that is not strong enough because you were told.

    However, I want to throw one into the mix for Anon because it is a question that has been at the back of my mind for a while; just that I have not researched it. Would time start to run if a person was aware of an act but did not know that a wrong had been committed as a result of that act?

    Now here is where the person is ignorant of their rights, but 20 years later gets to understand that a wrong has been committed.


  18. @ROK and @Anon…

    @ROK: “I am taking my cue from the fact that you said it was alleged that the media was informed by C&W. Maybe that is not strong enough because you were told.

    But… I still have appropriately 18 (eighteen) months to act, assuming a three year limitation.

    Not fully revealing my hand, but may I please point out the last paragraph (in italics) in the following Blog entry:

    http://www.ideas4lease.com/blog/2008/03/16/government-to-blame-for-cw-stranglehold/

    The above article is an edited version of my “Understanding C&W in Barbados” article.

    Again, I have an extensive e-mail record supporting my claims.

    Is there anyone willing to step forward to represent me?

    It might be fun….


  19. ROK // September 18, 2009 at 2:15 PM

    @Chris
    Communication with a third party is publication, even if only to one person and especially where such communication is the only source of harm to you.

    In which body of law did you find this definition of publication?


  20. The ground for Internet defamation and many other things is still poorly formed, and differs from country to country. For a good short read on some of that, look at http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/7373


  21. @Rickey George…

    Thank you for bringing a very important link forward for consideration…

    IMHO, we should all consider this very deeply, and ask if what is currently done under the current laws is just.

    Or, even, for that matter, right….


  22. Chris, when uv quite finished studying law and qualifying as a barrister, please feel free to answer my very civilised questions of ‘how does a pretty white boy manage to do it’?!! – especially wearing those glasses!! and leave the current state of the law to the already qualified lawyers!! It in worth d aggro!!


  23. @Bimbo…

    Let me please ask you two serious questions…

    1. Why are you so fixated on my answering your questions?

    2. Were you beaten as a child?


  24. I tried looking for decisions on defamation in the local website http://www.lawcourts.gov.bb/ but could not find any.

    I would guess they are either not posted ….

    ….. I am not searching right, or, ….

    … there are not many, perhaps none.

    I tried googling the words defamation decision barbados lawcourts and came up with this one.

    http://www.lawcourts.gov.bb/Lawlibrary/events.asp?id=646

    Here is a local decision that would indicate how a judge would think and what keywords a lawyer should use to get his attention.

    I suspect the local lawyers will be more experienced in how to use the law to avoid defamation suits and not very in what would actually happen in court.


  25. Hi Chris, it’s just that I’m terribly jealous of your dashing, handsome looks, success with the ladies and should like to emulate it and wonder how I might and, yes, my father DID cut my backside as a kid but it din seem tuh mek nuh difference!!

    Laaaaaaadddddddddddddddd!!


  26. The two decisions come from the site http://www.lawcourts.gov.bb/ so I can’t be searching it right if Google turns them up.


  27. I also tried searching for the two Barbadian cases Scantlebury v. The Advocate Company Ltd (No. 2017 of 1993) (unreported) and Blackman and Ishmael v. Nation Publishing Co. Limited (SC # 474 & 475 of 1990) which were cited in the first decision but could not find them.


  28. ROK, I don’t know of any ruling on it, but common sense dictates that time runs from the point at which you became aware of the act. The fact that you were not aware of the damage would not, in my view, be relevant – and also it would be so damned difficult to prove. I will see if I can find a reference to the H of L case in the 90s.

    I have been so busy that I really have not had time to check on the answers to some of the questions posed and I need to make sure that my answers are correct. Please bear with me. Time is at a premium just now.


  29. @Chris Halsall, and others: you should note a recent article in the Wall St Journal,
    “Facebook Settles Class-Action Suit”, http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125332446004624573.html?mod=rss_whats_news_us_business: In summary–Facebook settled a class-action lawsuit related to its Beacon Web product, a controversial service that displayed actions that users took on other Web sites back on Facebook.


  30. Concerning the Facebook case. There seems to be a fallacious thought that because a piece of private information is in the public domain it can be without permission. The Facebook case touches on that and other things about online activity.

    It is similar to the idea that because a corporate logo is available on line it can be used without either seeking permission or attribution. Organizations may take the view that only in the worse cases are they going to fight the abuse, but it will exist nevertheless. They may choose to send out public warnings occasionally, and if ignored then make an example of someone. Of course, that wont stop the abuse but it may then make it easier for corporations to then make limited or widespread attacks on blog or web hosts, for example, if they do not police their users’ activities properly.


  31. ricky george you can tell LIB (yourself) that whenever I discover and make contact with the two ladies I will share what was said of them by an African with your approval. lol!


  32. Interesting case of demation:

    ——————————————–
    Bank pays for cheque shame

    Published on: 9/19/2009.

    A COMMERCIAL BANK, which wrongfully dishonoured two cheques after a teller mistakenly debited one of a client’s two accounts, was ordered to pay that client damages by the Court of Appeal yesterday.

    The court ordered FirstCaribbean International Bank to pay $15 500 for embarrassment it caused Grace Beverley Sealy.

    The bank was also ordered to pay the fees of Sealy’s attorneys who appeared on her behalf in the Court of Appeal and in the High Court.

    Sealy lodged an appeal after trial judge Justice Elneth Kentish dismissed her suit, saying there “was much dissonance between the case sought to be advanced at the trial on behalf of [Sealy] and that pleaded on the statement of claim”.

    President of the Court and Chief Justice Sir David Simmons, who presided with Justice of Appeal Peter Williams and Justice of Appeal Sandra Mason, held there were a number of deficiencies in the judge’s approach, including that she did not properly examine and evaluate the documentary evidence of the transactions done by Sealy.

    The court held that “clearly there was a error on the face of the bank’s own document prepared by its employee”.

    “One of the stark features of Mrs Sealy’s evidence was that much of it was not challenged,” said Sir David, who read the decision.

    “It is true that the bank’s records appeared to speak contrary to Mrs Sealy’s evidence. But,” said Sir David, “in our view, that documentary evidence may only have been proof that the bank did not carry out Mrs. Sealy’s instructions and erred in transferring the funds from one account to the next.

    “Accordingly, we hold, on a balance of probabilities, that it was the bank’s error which caused Mrs Sealy’s current account to appear to be overdrawn. In the circumstances, the bank is liable for the dishonour of the cheques.”

    The Chief Justice said that as a result of finding in favour of Sealy, against the trial judge’s decision, the Court of Appeal had to examine the issue of damages.

    “We accept that Mrs Sealy was embarrassed and distressed. Seeing that the amount on the cheques were relatively small, the embarrassment of Mrs Sealy must have been all the more acute.

    “We take into account that there was no evidence of an apology from the bank, which persisted in its denial of wrongdoing throughout the proceedings,” Sir David said, as he revealed the court would make an award of $15 500 for defamation.

    Sealy, an accountant with the legal firm Smith & Smith, had brought a case against the bank after FirstCaribbean dishonoured two cheques she had written in 2004.

    Sealy, a client of the bank since the 1970s, held two accounts with the Broad Street branch of First Caribbean – a current account and a savings accounts.

    She transferred $600 from her savings account, which had a balance of $114 889, to her current account. She then wrote two cheques: one for $150 and the other for $105 on the current account.

    Both were dishonoured with the notation “Refer to Drawer”.

    She later received a statement that her current account had been overdrawn and $600 had been debited from that account.

    Sealy went into the bank and queried it. She was told that an error had occurred with the current account being debited instead of credited.

    She was also assured, she said, that should any cheques be returned, she should bring them in and the bank would issue a written apology.

    However, the two cheques were returned to her with the stamp “Refer to Sender”.

  33. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    I am concerned by the quality of some of these judges who owen arthur appointed in a rush;randall worrell,elneth kentish,jackie cornelius,Chris Blackman etc

    Some of them do not have the requsite experience (neither lengh nor depth), to hold these important positions,but with owen like with everthing else it was a case of putting in his people in critical places.

    Who knows when you might need them right?

    He has tainted every insitution with this partisan nonsense,starting with the appointment of david Simmons as Chief Justice.


  34. @Anon

    “The fact that you were not aware of the damage would not, in my view, be relevant…”

    Yes, agree with that. Similar to the principle that ignorance of the law is no excuse; or at least, has the same effect… but just as in criminal law there ought to be consideration for those whose state of mind renders them incapable.

    I must admit that there is a lot more to this. However, at this time it would merely be an intellectual exercise for me and considering your time, I would not press it any further because the old lady has passed… but without her knowing it, she was being held as a virtual prisoner in her own home and her money was being stolen.

    She came to know when she was confronted about a matter. Sadly, the case confused the authorities and including the police, they failed to act promptly and allowed the perpetrator to tighten down the screws on that poor old woman and in no time she was dead. Man, we have to do something to protect our elderly.

    Anyhow, thanks for taking the time out to educate Barbadians. People say that lawyers and some other professionals don’t give back to society, but I think it may be lack of opportunity and facility. Certainly this blog has been a convenience for you to do just that.


  35. Adrian Hinds // September 19, 2009 at 5:58 AM

    Interesting case of demation:

    ——————————————–
    Bank pays for cheque shame

    Published on: 9/19/2009

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    Looks like this may end up at the CCJ!!


  36. @mash up

    It is generally known that the most successful lawyers are usually not
    attracted to the Judgeship at all despite the perk of the BMW, working half day and taking time out to have a Sherry from time to time.

    @BU family

    Interesting discussion so far and you maybe interested to know the
    Facebook Group – Association of Caribbean Journalists and
    PR/Marketing/Advertising Praticioners has distributed the link to its
    members.

    Somewhat disappointed we have not seen Themis featured so far on this subject!


  37. @David ‘despite the perk of …… working half day’

    Do yourself a favor and ask the officials the truth about their workloads, rather than making fanciful quips, no doubt intended as semi-humour.

    When do the officials do their own research and assessment? In court?


  38. Adrian Hinds (September 19, 2009 at 5:56 AM) seems to be barking at or up a particular tree. Be that as it may. Those who understand can maybe help him.

    There is a growing body of cases involving Facebook and what can be done with the material posted there. Facebook’s management have created some complications for themselves, while Facebook users have created instances that are testing laws in a range of countries–they are very different–with regard to ownership and usage of material posted on that and other social network sites.

    Some of the cases of employers using material on Facebook as the basis for dismissing employees have been interesting but are not clear in the directions they give for future actions because the specifics are quite varied.

    The matter of logo use is rearing its head because people associated with organizations do not understand how limited the use of logos is, and while some use is quite innocent and not likely to ruffle corporate or institutional feathers, other usage is designed to be malicious.

    I would simply urge that those interested try to get an understanding of what is happening in an area that is very fluid.

    We do not yet need to deal with countries, like China, where freedom of use of the Internet is still a dream.

    There are interesting discussions going on on social media sites about these issues.


  39. @Anon

    “If I were judging it, given the massive beating up you and BANGO administered to BFP, I think I would award two cents only plus your costs. BFP’s effort to defame you and BANGO rebounded on them with deadly effect.”

    Having paid BFP a visit just now, I am understanding what you mean by rebounded with “deadly effect”.


  40. mash up & buy back // September 19, 2009 at 8:22 AM. Busy as I am, I have to take serious issue with you there.

    In the case of Randy, there was a crying need for a first class criminal judge. For that, you need a first class criminal lawyer and frankly nowhere in the world do they come much better than Randy. The mistake is and always has been in giving him civil matters to try. NOT because he is not capable, simply because it is not his chosen area and he is slow. Very slow. Almost makes Greenidge J. (retired, thank God) look like Speedy Gonzales. Determined not to make a mistake and, by his lack of timely judgments, adding to the old adage that justice delayed is justice denied. But, do not ever make the mistake of thinking that Randy is not a first class judge – in his field, which is criminal law. It is time we stopped mixing and failing to match.

    Elneth? She is a first class lawyer, but she should never have been appointed – at least not at the time she was appointed – due to the conflict of interest she displayed and practiced in the Kingsland case and I am fully prepared to defend that statement in court. However, as far as I am concerned, that matter was determined and settled by the Judicial Committee (and I don’t care what other blogs may say – its is tried and all appeals are exhausted). Therefore, to deny the bench a jurist of the experience of Elneth would be counterproductive now and detrimental. She is an excellent civil lawyer and judge, all former irregularities aside. It is time for her and us to move on and let her get on with a job she is doing extremely well.

    Jacqueline Cornelius is another excellent judge, as is Kaye Goodridge – and it is good to have such capable women on the bench.

    Chris Blackman. Pass.

    The problem now is finding a CJ to replace Sir David. And frankly none of the above are right. Randy could well be, in time, but not in time for a replacement for Sir David.

    First and foremost, you need an excellent manager. Then, they have to be an excellent jurist and finally, a first class scholar. None of them fit that bill – not even William Chandler – and he is probably the closest.

    The problem is that there isn’t a single lawyer that I can think of in Barbados who is still young enough to fit the bill. Not one. There are some first class lawyers, but not a single piece of Chief Justice material.

    I seriously think we are going to have to go overseas – maybe to Canada or the UK. Canada would probably be best as the failure of the reforms of Lord Wolfe in the British system are, and this is a personal opinion, now being seen. Canada, on the other hand, particularly Ontario, has had a chance to work out most of the kinks in its case management system and speed up the hearing of cases and the delivery of decisions.

    As for the remuneration of judges, it isn’t good, you know. If you ask a man to give up his practice without the possibility of returning to it, it is a hell of a financial sacrifice for him and his family and I don’t think that the perks of a BMW and police driver are any compensation. Trust me on this – to be a judge in Barbados is to give a lot in service to the country with little return. Also, I do not believe that any of the judges you name would allow their offices to be tainted by acts of political bias. Certainly not Randy and nor the others I think.

    ROK, I am glad you saw what I saw. I don’t know if BFP can recover and I would think that you have opened the flood gates of complaints to WordPress about them. Recovery could well be impossible. I am not going to call it yet, but I suspect you and BANGO may have taken them out.


  41. I in gone na way, just trying to cope wid a severe headache, almost a week now. Will be back next week, hopefully.
    (For those that ‘mist’ me)

    Just perusing fa now.


  42. @ Anon,

    What about yourself? You too aged, or retired?

    You are correct with regard to Randall.
    The family has used him in a criminal act and were pleased with his work. He was a highly respected lawyer. I think he will do much better than Lindsay (the father). He seems, to me, to be much smarter. I think Lindsay Jr. is the most handsome in the family though. he, he, he!


  43. Pat // September 15, 2009 at 7:39 PM

    @ Anon,

    Thanks for that good advice re malice and following through with an apology where malice can be implied.

    “It is nice to have you back.”

    Pat, you now playin you don’t know who Anon is?


  44. Hello Pat,

    Neither that aged nor retired. I lack the scholorship. Most do, although they think they don’t. My brain does not move so much in the scholastic line required for any judge, far less a first class one. Know thyself is my motto.

    I agree that Randy will eclipse Lindsay. I think we all have very high hopes for Randy. He just isn’t ready yet. Needs to speed up his decision making a lot. I mean, cut it down to two months tops, not two years – although that would be a move in the right direction. Needs to do more study in civil litigation. But there are courses available for judges these days. Randy needs to spend his summer recesses attending these.

    But, Pat, what’s the matter? Are you saying that Lindsay is better looking? Or that Randy is too young for you? Remember, you are under oath.


  45. Maybe off topic;
    Reports coming out of the UK that a Pre-action Protocol for Defamation has been served on two leaders of a web-site they are expected to reply in 14 ( fourteen days) and comply with demands made.

    Or a barrister will be instructed to draw up a libel writ.

    Some real legal heavyweights are involved…and the story has international interest certainly worth following.


  46. Yardbroom // September 20, 2009 at 4:34 AM You have to be joking. Off topic?


  47. Bet they are jewish layers I mean lawyers


  48. Here is a report which has implications for those commenters who use the names of others to label their comments.

    Police ready to ‘take on’ commenters, chief says
    People who misrepresent themselves as officials in online comments could face civil, criminal penalties, Acevedo says.

    By Tony Plohetski
    AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

    Friday, September 18, 2009

    Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo says he and some of his officers have been harassed, lied about and had their identities falsely used in online blogs and in reader comment sections on local media Internet sites.

    They’ve had enough.

    In a meeting this month with department brass, Acevedo and the group discussed how they think such posts erode public trust in the department and how they have been wrongly maligned.

    They have since researched their legal options and decided that from now on, they might launch formal investigations into such posts, Acevedo said. He said investigators might seek search warrants or subpoenas from judges to learn the identities of the authors — he thinks some could be department employees — and possibly sue them for libel or file charges if investigators think a crime was committed.

    “A lot of my people feel it is time to take these people on,” Acevedo said. “They understand the damage to the organization, and quite frankly, when people are willfully misleading and lying, they are pretty much cowards anyway because they are doing so under the cloak of anonymity.”

    The effort to crack down on potentially illegal statements or comments that are possibly libelous — those published with the goal of defaming a person — is the second time in recent months that the department has confronted new social media.

    In March, the social networking site Twitter shut down a fake account that pretended to issue official Austin police bulletins after the department and the Texas attorney general’s office complained.

    University of Texas law professor David Anderson said the hosts of sites where potentially libelous comments are posted are granted immunity by federal laws. Those who post comments can still be sued, however.

    State lawmakers this year passed a law that took effect Sept. 1 making it a third-degree felony to use another person’s name to post messages on a social networking site without their permission and with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate or threaten.

    Along with Internet blogs that offer readers a chance to give their opinions, media outlets — including the American-Statesman — in recent years have begun allowing readers to make comments online about stories and blogs.

    The American-Statesman has a policy on what people can write in online comments. The newspaper asks that people keep their comments civil, not engage in personal attacks and not use profanity or racial or ethnic slurs. Comments about a person’s sexual orientation or religion also are grounds for the removal of a comment.

    Acevedo said he and other officers in recent months have faced allegations of sexual impropriety and suggestions that they engaged in quid pro quo behavior. A police commander has had his name falsely used as the author of comments about the department.

    Acevedo said that in several cases, he thinks department employees were responsible for comments that appeared on sites such as Statesman.com. Officers and civilian workers who were responsible for the comments could face disciplinary action.

    According to police policy, employees are barred from criticizing or ridiculing the department, its policies or employees in speech or in writing when it is “defamatory, obscene or unlawful.” Rules also prohibit such speech or writing when it affects “the confidence of the public in the integrity of the department and its employees.”

    “If you want to criticize, critique, question actions, that’s allowable under the First Amendment, and we encourage that,” Acevedo said. “When you start actually representing facts, when they are absolutely outright lies, that can lead to civil liability and, potentially, criminal liability.”

    Austin Fire Chief Rhoda Mae Kerr recently updated department policies prohibiting people from posting obscene or defamatory comments on social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter. Department spokeswoman Michelle DeCrane said Thursday that officials have not yet discussed how they will enforce the updated policy.

    According to published reports, lawsuits have been popping up nationally involving anonymous online speech.

    However, the Associated Press has reported that most of the cases fail because statements of opinion are protected under the First Amendment. Courts are requiring officials to show they have a legitimate defamation claim — that is, one involving a false assertion of fact that hurts someone’s reputation.

    tplohetski@statesman.com; 445-3605


  49. Looked it up on the Internet. I can find only one such letter having been delivered. You can read it at http://www.michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=7531

    I see that there is a report on the Protocol at http://www.justice.gov.uk/civil/procrules_fin/contents/protocols/prot_def.htm

    Britain has a very strong Data Protection Act. We need to factor in how these matters will be impacted on by it. The Canadian Provinces all have protection of privacy legislation as well.

    In the case of the letter I have provided the URL for above, it is to a government minister and I would have thought that it is unlikely to have caused more than a raised eyebrow. Without in any way impugning or commenting on the merits of the case – which I do not know all of in any event – a certain aspect of publicity cannot be ignored. I think a good starting place for us would be to ask us what we would think if our government chucked Norman Faria’s backside out of Barbados as persona non grata. Would we think he had been defamed and have a cause of action against Barbados?

    Good discussion topic, in light of the British matter above. I also see there is an open letter posted here on BU regarding and to Norman Faria and, if you translate this point there, then it might certainly make for a spirited discussion.

    Please, Yardbroom, anything else you get on the letters you mentioned, I, for one, would be very interested.

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