@David,
There is of course an altogether different perspective that would dispute your suggestion that we are not moving forward as black people.

We must be careful not to use the measures of our oppressors to determine our progress or lack thereof. Admittedly, we have not by and large been able to accumulate the levels of wealth and influence that some other races have…

However…
As you may have gathered by now, Bush Tea contends that there is a deliberate designed purpose in our existence on this earth. I have explained that this ‘purpose’ is not really about accumulating wealth, nor about exercising power and influence.

THE REAL PURPOSE OF LIFE IS ABOUT THE REFINEMENT OF CHARACTER.

A look at the black race from this perspective provides a very different picture.

Like a diamond that needs to be refined through great pressure and heat, the black race has unquestionably been through the grinder. I have to tell you that the results have been noticeably impressive.

While Nelson Mandela is probably the most celebrated, there are a disproportionate number of black leaders who have come through extreme hardships to demonstrate levels of forgiveness, love, fairness and maturity not matched by other races.

Obama’s ability to overcome all the odds and redefine Bush’s America is a phenomenon that continues to beg explanation.

….if the objective of life is the refinement of character, then I challenge you to name a more successful race.

…of course if you insist on measuring by who have money and power in this dying world….. we probably should be concerned.

DAVID

@BT

Ours is an attempt to show that there is an opinion on the other side of the race debate which helps to shape the debate as well. It is not only about the Black perspective.

Looka, d udda day the african nurses come hay to do a job of work and could n’t lef widout busing wunna!!

Steupse!

Wunna fool wunna-selves bout dem people!!

Don’t mind Bimbro David he want to pull a Willie Lynch but it can’t work around here,the people that like to pull wool over our eyes and call this blog racist don’t know the amount of ammo there is to shoot themselves with,here you go.

http://whitewatch.wordpress.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

I just started reading “How the Irish became White”!!

The introduction begins:

“No biologist has ever been able to provide a satisfactory definition of “race” – that is, a definition that includes all members of a given race and excludes all others.

Attempts to give the term a biological foundation lead to absurdities: parents of children of different races, or the well known phenomenom that a white woman can give birth to a black child, but a black woman can never give birth to a white child.

The only logical conclusion is that people are members of different races because they have been assigned to them.

Outside these labels and the racial oppression that accompanies them, the only race is the human.”

Duppy Lizard

I agree.

I would go further.

There is no such thing as a Black race or a White race.

We are all part of the human race and our fundamental purpose is to procreate, as is the fundamental purpose of all living creatures!!

Black and White are social constructs, a simplifiation of the more complex earlier constructs, Caucosoid, Negroid, Mongoloid …. and all their varying and myriad subsets.

When we get to realise we really are only one human race and act to suit, then our character will have reached the level of refinement to which Bush Tea alludes.

Check Wiesenthal, Mandela, or for that matter any human who has had to face the horrors of human degradation similar to what these faced …. and still survived with an unbroken spirit to tell the tale.

These individuals are examples put there for us to see what is possible.

@John… I partially agree with your above.

What I agree with absolutely: “There is no such thing as a Black race or a White race [or, for that matter, any race]. … We are all part of the human race

I do, however, disagree with this: “…and our fundamental purpose is to procreate, as is the fundamental purpose of all living creatures!!

With respect, never-ending and unending, unconstrained procreation doesn’t scale. (A fact so ignored by many of the Catholics and Muslims, et al.)

We humans, unlike any animal (or life form) before us, are sentient.

I would argue, therefore, that instead we humans are uniquely positioned to recognize this fact, and thus to each endeavour to further *everyone*.

We don’t each, individually, have to pass on our own genes… To simply procreate… We each, instead, have the option of passing on our knowledge for the benefit, furtherance, and sustainability, of *all* we humans. And for the entire planet upon which we happen to find ourselves….

(My apologies if my above comes across as pedantic, elitist, etc. This is, however, what I truly believe.)

@John
“There is no such thing as a Black race or a White race.”

Thanks Kiki. This psychiatrist has been at it for a long time. Last time I saw her she was a young woman.

What I think John must understand is the saying, Life is what you make it. Biological proof or lack of it, is merely incidental to the problem.

As the lady said it is all a lie, but we live it and it is real; manifested. It is therefore meaningless to say that we are all of the human race; something we have long accepted and which the white dominating class has not made a move to accept.

Until the philosophy that makes one race superior than another is finally and totally annihilated; utterly destroyed.

Remember that racism s an ideology. it is a philosophy and it is what we are fighting to end.

So go tell that to the white supremacists and don’t try to use it her to subdue us. It is not us that need to be subdued.

@John

You need to move from the theory and deal with what the world has served up. We can only play the hand dealt.

victor // September 2, 2009 at 4:24 AM

What a snobby attitude Africans in the UK have to West Indians, they are “drug addicts” “Iow Iife” etc,

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Victor, congratulations on trying to eduate some, your Barbadian countrymen on, at least some, of the realities of life in the UK. However, you’re wasting ur time ’cause when I’ve told them I’ve been bused and make to feel that I were the problem and not British society so, congratulations on a well-intentioned, intelligent but largely, wasted effort!! The Bajees r in love with Africans and don’t really want to hear anything other than that they’re wonderful!!

LOL!! Never one like he who likes to fool himself!!

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“West Indians are seen as “one of us” by the white community,”

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Is this the schpeil which u use to comfort yourself, Vic!! It’s news to me! In my experience, every single male one of us is regarded as a mugger and stupid!! Maybe u live in a different UK!!

Oh, and BTW, I was out! Did u see our monthly run-down of major crime in the UK tv prog. ‘Crimewatch’, broadcast tonight and, as usual, did any of our Jamaican ‘friends’ feature in it, as they usually do!! I’m guessing that they probably did which is n’t what d Bajees want to hear either! Like the Africans, they want to fool themselves again into believing they’re no worse than anybody else!! V, please answer my question bro for the unwelcome illucidation of ur Bajan bros, even though they won’t thank u for it!! As I said, Nothing like those who love to fool themselves’!! You can tell them the truth – I’ve recorded it and will watch it later!!

Sorry, ‘freewilly’, no idea what ur going-on about! Might be confusing me with somebody else? In case u had n’t noticed, I’m fully in support of this blog!!

@Chris Halsall – I actually had to look up the meaning of “sentient”, my dictionary defines it as 1.”responsive to or conscious of sense impressions 2. Aware 3. finely sensitive in perception or feeling”. By your statement it is obvious that you are not familiar with animals or perhaps you yourself are not “sentient”. If anything, I believe that animals are far more sentient than humans.

The problem with us humans is that we think we are “special” – sorry to dissapoint, but there ain’t anything special about any of us.

The human race is driven by greed and lust.

David/ROK

Here is another way of putting it.

The white race that people keep speaking about is made up of those who partake of the priveleges of the white skin in society.

It is a sociogical concept and not a genetic reality.

A member of the white race can be white, black, brown, red or yellow.

By extension, the Black (or non white) race is made up of people who don’t partake in the priveleges of a white skin.

A member can also be white, black, brown, red or yellow.

Listen to what the lady is saying in the clip carefully and you will hear her speak of people with white skins and those with black, brown, red and yellow skins, …. ie white and non white ….. white and black if you like,

… in Barbados still you will hear Bajans speak of a black person who thinks he/she is white!!.

“The hall mark of racial oppression [is the reduction of] all members of the oppressed group to one undifferentiated social status, a status beneath that of any member of any social class” within the dominant group”. … taken from “How the Irish became White” which in turn is quoting from “The Invention of the White Race, Volume One; Racial Oppression and Social Control” .

Applying this logic to what I have written about early slave society in Barbados, it begun with Negroes and Christians, the Christians being the dominant group.

As manumission and miscegination occur you start seeing the appearance of Negroes, Mulattoes, Free Negroes and Free Mulattoes as social classes within the records.

Some of the Free Negroes and Free Mulattoes were also Christians, and by that I mean they were baptised and became members of the Anglican church.

I don’t think black and white were terms used socialogically until relatvely recently.

By emancipation, the records become “almost” colourless and classless.

Take a look sometime and you will see why I say “almost”.

The reality is that in society there are haves and have nots, confused with white and black, which is confused with skin colour.

The oppression of reducing members of the oppressed group to one undifferentiated social status showed up in the assignment of a number to a Jew or any other concentration camp inmate. Thereafter the inmate was known by a number not a name.

It is the same as an African being reduced to slavery by the elite (white race bu with a black skin) in his/her society and losing all social status, …. perhaps even his/her name as a result.

It is oppression that is the key word and has little to do with skin colour.

@John

If I even half understood where you were going with this, I may not mind engaging you but it seems as though you setting up yourself for somebody to tell you where to get off and then we are going to hear about profanity on BU.

You need to behave yourself. I charge you with conspiracy to incite men with vulnerable psyches… and if that don’t succeed I will still lock you up and throw away the key after declaring you are a risk to national peace and security.

Kiki – Would you not say that the same is true for whites, Indians and Chinese in Barbadian society i.e. minorities are sidelined in American society?

Chris – It is regretfull that you interpreted my criticism as an insult.

Superior intellect does not equate to common sense.

duppy. I think people are people, each person is unique and different races and cultures make life interesting.

Or should I say you just proved you are not.

Laughing at yourself? LOL

(Sometimes I’m the only one laughing. I’m comfortable with that, too….)

@ Duppy Lizard
Bush Tea: I beg to differ about your statement regarding the purpose of life. Just like all other living creatures on this planet (and probably else where), the sole purpose for our existance is that of procreation.
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Careful DL, It is not sustainable to beg to differ with BT – and then go on to state exactly what BT is saying….
…LOL ….or it shouldn’t be…

Our purpose IS about procreation. In previous threads, I tried to explain that this is EXACTLY what life is about.

However, mankind IS special, in that we have the unique POTENTIAL to be transformed into a higher level of existence…(like a sperm has the potential to become a human being)

In summary then, the whole experience of life as we know it, is but a project designed to facilitate the procreation of a higher form of life which is not constrained by the boundaries of time and space.

….and trust me, the fact that you disagree or disbelieve me on this-has no impact on the reality of this assertion.

Come on DP, don’t give me that bull. You are way to intelligent for that cop-out.

You can reason that ‘life’ is too complex, too intricate and too interdependent to be an ‘accident of evolution’.

You sound like the kind of person who can recognize complex design when you see it…..

What emerge from what slime what?!!

I challenge you to do some research and to think about this seriously for a while, and come back and tell us that you have concluded that we are Nth generation slime…. (well there MAY be some specific exceptions ….LOL LOL)

*If a two humans can have distinctly different skin types, can we not assume they are other differences?

I am just saying there is the possibility that with a certain skin color might come with other traits attached.

Black skin people come from the tropics where as white skin people come from a place with less sunlight.

The sun is the source of energy that keeps keep this world turning, the tropics are closer to the sun therefore tropical life has evolved at a different rate.

I am just saying that they could be other physical traits attached to skin color.

The sun’s gravity is what pulls the earth and the light energy emitted from the sun when changed to different forms powers the earths ecosystem.

I see the problem we have CH, i only meant physical traits, eg. bigger heads, lungs etc..

Any non physical ‘traits’ would be very minor and rendered null by globalization. All humans have the same thinking capacity.