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Not since the days of the Gladston Holder columns in the Barbados media have Barbadians been kept abreast of the occurrences which involve the Council for Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission or even the Bilderberg family influence on world politics. Barbadians, including the media appear to be very comfortable ferreting world news from CNN and the BBC.

BU like millions around the world have been enthralled by the new entrant to the White House. President Barack Obama is without question a departure from the old guard. Some say any perceive change should only be taken as token. Many of the appointments in the Obama government represent prominent individuals who have worked in Washington in the recent past and are regarded as part of the status quo. For example, there is the influential position of Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner, the former head of the Federal Reserve of New York. How can Geithner be responsible for changing Wall Street when he is a product of the system?

The video above is one hour and 53 minutes long and paints an intriguing picture of Obama and the shadow government which runs the US government. While BU is inclined to ask questions we are not sure we fully buy in to the positions expressed in the video.

What do you think?

Thanks to BU family member Hopi!

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725 responses to “The Obama Deception Video, Deceiver Or Saviour?”

  1. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    GP
    “First I must thank you for your kind compliment, Sir; but truly Zoe is obviously the better scholar.”

    I like how you cop out of that one. OK Zoe, GP has acclaimed you to be the bigger idiot.

    @GP “Clearly you don’t KNOW or BELIEVE the Bible”

    To know the Bible is not necessarily to believe it.

    @GP “Actually ROK, the doctrine we declare is fairly common knowledge.”

    Is that what you are counting on, that people have been fed and believe all the lies. Yes GP, it is ingrained. So here Muslims, agnostics, atheists and anything that is not Christian has to run and hide underground in this our very intolerant society.

  2. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Rok, I was not aware that Muslims, agnostics, atheists and anything that is not Christian has to run and hide underground in Bajan society. You know that that isnt true man.

    Aint you and Chris maguffies in Bim?

    And on this forum, you and Chris and Hopi and others are “debating.”

    When I said that the doctrine we declare is fairly common knowledge, I want you to understand also that it can be understood by anyone who has opened thier heart to Christ.

    John 1:12-13 teaches 2But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

  3. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP
    Forgot the 7th Day Adventists; your own; the decades that they were persecuted. I tell you, if there really was a God as you describe, complete with heaven and hell, by all standards for such a crime against humanity, you guys would not last long enough to rot in hell. That is according to your theology.

  4. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    “When I said that the doctrine we declare is fairly common knowledge, I want you to understand also that it can be understood by anyone who has opened thier heart to Christ.”

    Why you keep harping on unconditional acceptance? You guys ever stop to examine what that is? Well let me tell you what it sounds like: it is like a sect, where you are accepted if you believe unconditionally or you are shut out and may even die for daring to dabble without believing.

    @ GP “Aint you and Chris maguffies in Bim?”

    Well I was willing to sit by and allow you to be the mugaffy but your performance has left the human race wanting and sold out.

  5. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    I am not SDA Rok. And I didnt know that SDA’s suffered religious persecution in Barbados.

    Didnt know that was possible. Did you know that the SDA cult is set up to survive no matter what happens? I certainly admire them for the great attention to Education and Healthcare, and looking out for thier own, wherever they are in the world.

    I have spoken in a few SDA groups on health matters in the 80’s, when invited

  6. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Rok asks.

    Why you keep harping on unconditional acceptance?

    That’s what the scripture teaches, Rokky ma boy.

    Rok asserts
    ’You guys ever stop to examine what that is? YES WE HAVE AND WE ACCEPT IT
    Well let me tell you what it sounds like: it is like a sect, THE EARLY CHURCH WAS INDEED CALLED A SECT where you are accepted if you believe unconditionally or you are shut out and may even die for daring to dabble without believing. YOU GOT IT RIGHT Rokky ma boy!

    GP “Aint you and Chris maguffies in Bim?”
    Rok asserts
    Well I was willing to sit by and allow you to be the mugaffy but your performance has left the human race wanting and sold out.

    I obviously not mugaffy material, if not I would have made maguffy status in Bim already, or elsewhere.LOL

  7. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    GP……’This is not easily understood, but this is what Christians believe.’ If this wasn’t so dangerous this would be laughable. Oh the power of belief, the power of faith. Since you can’t prove it , just have faith and believe. Jesus could not be related to David thru Joseph because Joseph was not Jesus’ father. Now we have Mary related to David!. I’m constantly having to blow smoke out of these eyes. The deeper I did the more holes I find in this story which gives the word ‘holy’ a whole new meaning.

    Zoe…..That story of the Israelites being in captivity in Egypt is such a LIE. What were they doing there in the 1st place?

  8. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Wow Zoe, who made you God? You condemn the largest (one sixths of humanity) and the oldest (2000 years old) Christian Church as evil yet all the theology you spout is based on the record and work of Catholic theologians. If they were corrupted then so too is your understanding.

    I wonder who has possession of most of the original documents, letters and books of antiquity that you refer to such as the Codex Vaticanus (the oldest near complete manuscript of the Greek Bible)? Probably in the Vatican library. The primary data is thus in the hands of the Roman Catholics while you commentary appears to be hearsay.

  9. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    “John 1:12-13 teaches 2But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”

    This is the very principle that allowed that dreaded slavery to be perpetrated against the African race.

    This idea that if you do good you will get gifts and if you do bad bad will be done unto you. Then we in turn internalise this and feel that we deserve when we do good and don’t deserve when we do bad. I call it the culture of deprivation.

  10. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    ’This is not easily understood, but this is what Christians believe.’ If this wasn’t so dangerous this would be laughable. Oh the power of belief, the power of faith. Since you can’t prove it , just have faith and believe.
    ———————————————–
    I have been a doctor for almost 30 years. Much of the Medicine I learned (and teach) is not easily understood either…….BUT….it is believed by the profession……UNTIL ……..the beliefs that are current are considered obsolete.

    If this wasn’t so dangerous this would be laughable. BUT IT IS DONE EVERYDAY!

    Oh the power of belief, the power of faith. In Medicine there is much that we cant prove that we believe and practice by faith.

    Hopi do you know how it felt when I learned how potentially dangerous it was to carry out instructions by my superiors thus GO AND GIVE Aminophyline 500 mg SLOW IV PUSH to this patient?

    Man I had been doing it for months before we were taught the side effects of Aminophyline (not used regularly today.) Yes Oh the power of belief, Oh the power of faith.

    Ever saw aminophyline work? Its like a miracle man.

  11. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    Zoe

    If there was a debate on the veracity of the Bible and your God, you would lose on the first count and that is the date this world began.

    The very next count would be proof that a man named Jesus Christ ever existed. For that you would get nought.

    You will implode like the twin towers.

  12. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP
    “Oh the power of belief, the power of faith. In Medicine there is much that we cant prove that we believe and practice by faith.”

    I am sure you will agree that people believe and receive the power of belief without believing in Christ or your God; and the medicine works the same way. Exactly, the power of belief, which has nothing to do with Christ or your God.

  13. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP
    “Why you keep harping on unconditional acceptance?

    That’s what the scripture teaches, Rokky ma boy.”

    But is this not intellectual rape? Why would God give you intellect and not want you to use it? Then God could have made man as an animal in that case. I would have thought that the very reason you have it is to use it??

  14. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @GP: “Man I had been doing it for months before we were taught the side effects of Aminophyline (not used regularly today.) Yes Oh the power of belief, Oh the power of faith.

    So you are arguing, and agreeing with me, that the Science of medicine includes statistical feedback loops.

    Or, put another way, that the Science of medicine learns from its mistakes. (Although some may die in order to gain this knowledge.)

    I’m a little confused as to why you, GP, keep claiming to be a Doctor, and then somehow trying to confuse Science and Religion (which is, by definition, un-testable).

    @GP: are you prepared to met me on-stage, as per Zoe’s challenge and my conditions to same, to discuss?

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Rok

    The principle of John 1:12-13 did not allow slavery to be perpetrated against the African race. Where ever there has been slavery, it is because the perpetrators were evil sinful men.

    True NT Christianity does not teach that if you do good you will get gifts and if you do bad bad will be done unto you. True NT Christianity teaches that the wages of sin is death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life.

    True NT Christianity teaches in Romans 4: 3-5 that 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    True NT Christianity teaches in Ephesians 2:8-9 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    True NT Christianity teaches in Titus 3:5-7…..
    3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    All these verses indicate that the NT believer is not of himself good, and deserves no good, but that his position or salvation was wrought by Christ alone. NO real NT believer believes that he is inherently good, or is capable of doing good that counts (see I Corinthians 3) apart from the work of the Holy Spirit in him. Now all men are capable of doing human good; but I Corinthians 3 indicates that human good is no good. In fact I Corinthians 3: 12-15 takes the wind out of the sails of proud stuck up believers, because it teaches that their good works does not count unless their motives are right.
    3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation (i.e Christ) gold, silver precious stones, wood hay, stubble;
    3:13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.
    3:14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
    3:15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

    This certainly negates what you call the culture of deprivation.

  16. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    CH
    So you are arguing, and agreeing with me, that the Science of medicine includes statistical feedback loops.Or, put another way, that the Science of medicine learns from its mistakes. (Although some may die in order to gain this knowledge.) YES BUT THAT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE. THAT IS NO SECRET.

    I don’t claim to be a doctor Chris. I graduated from UWI medical school. I do not Science with anything. And I do not think that the doctrine of salvation is un-testable, because they are myriads who when confronted therewith have given their lives to Christ, and have evidenced change lives.

    On the other hand John 1:12-13 and several other verses in John gospels indicate that some who have been confronted with the gospel message choose NOT to believe. confuse .

    Please don’t blame me for your confusion. There are several medical doctors who also believe the Bible. In fact one couple publish a paid advertisement in the Advocate weekly stating their position on various issues.

    You and Rok and Zoe can clash on stage as per Zoe’s challenge and your conditions. Why do I have to return to Barbados for that. Zoe is good enough to rinse you both out on his own.

  17. Christopher Halsall Avatar
    Christopher Halsall

    @GP: “I don’t claim to be a doctor Chris. I graduated from UWI medical school.

    So you allege… Without, if I may please point out, being willing to stand behind, and to Testify to, this claim…

    @GP: “And I do not think that the doctrine of salvation is un-testable, because they are myriads who when confronted therewith have given their lives to Christ, and have evidenced change lives.

    And yet, as I keep arguing, I personally (and many others) have *also* found empowerment internalizing an agnostic belief system…

    (And, further, I know many others who have found themselves empowered from non-Christian beliefs…)

    So why do you, and yours, keep trying to arguing that only Christ can be a Saviour?

    Might it be because you are gaining upside from humans acting like sheep?

    @GP: “Zoe is good enough to rinse you both out on his own.

    I look forward to the “show”….

  18. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Anonymous

    I don’t think that Zoe thinks he is God.
    The fact that Roman Catholicism is the largest (one sixths of humanity) and a very old (2000 years old) Church organization does not mean anything. Don’t forget that most of Christendom departed from that organization, and some were never part of it. Do you know that many true Christians did not join the RC Church of Constantine’s day?.

    As far as I know, most current main stream Theology is not based on the record and work of Catholic theologians at all, but follows a Theology based on the concepts of Dispensations and Covenants as popularized by the notes in the Schofield Reference Bible in the last century and the scholars who have emerged from Dallas Theological Seminary.

  19. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP……’Hopi do you know how it felt when I learned how potentially dangerous it was to carry out instructions by my superiors thus GO AND GIVE Aminophyline 500 mg SLOW IV PUSH to this patient
    Man I had been doing it for months before we were taught the side effects of Aminophyline (not used regularly today.) Yes Oh the power of belief, Oh the power of faith.’ This is exactly what we are discussing here, you use something or believe in something until you come to the truth or the reality of the side-effects, of how damaging it is (christianity) to the psyche, so today you still have a few(though very small) who continue to use it and then there are those like myself & Bro Rok who speak against the destruction it has caused to many a souls. But then you see the problem with ‘western’ guinea-pig medicine, without absolute knowledge you try one thing and I’m sure that many of these guinea pigs are lost…where is the faith, where’s the belief to save the lives of these gpigs?

  20. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    LOL Hopi
    None of the patients died man. I have never seen anyone died on aminophyline.

    Personally I would still use it as my first line of attack in treating asthma. In fact I think all asthmatics should have aminophyline suppositories on hand for acute attacks.

    I am sure I will raise your ire when I tell you that because it is very cheap, aminophyline is still used in poorer countries. LOL

  21. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    I forgive you because your grounding is natural science. However, people make judgements on their actions based on the logical flow of principles which they adopt as part of their lives.

    A man’s culture or lifestyle will determine what he will do and what he will not do… and if the basic groundings of his socialisation feeds him/her with the idea that if you do good you will be rewarded and if you do bad you will suffer bad, then that person will judge his/her own behaviour as to if they deserve or not deserve.

    This speaks to the enslavement of the mind and body by a master. The slave then in turn is taught to see that he/she does not deserve to be master and that the master deserves to be the master.

    The slave is also taught to work for what they want and all the while the master conspires to steal his labour.

    Without these notions of value, established and taught by the Church in particular, such relationships would be seen for what they are. These notions are also the basis of discrimination, dehumanisation and stigmatisation in this society, thereby favouring the elite while downpressing the masses.

    This is why poor people complain of the treatment they get at the hands of government social services. It is the reason why citizens are so complacent. Principles like these erode societies and make them dependent of more powerful countries which seek to make them de facto satellites.

    When USA sneeze, we does catch a cold. Ever hear that? It is the religion that whips the citizens in line.

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    CH

    Re Without, if I may please point out, being willing to stand behind, and to Testify to, this claim…

    I do so to those who really matter- e.g job applications. You don’t!

    Re why do you, and yours, keep trying to arguing that only Christ can be a Saviour?

    Because we believe the Bible, and it says so in John 14:6; Acts 4:12, I Tim 2:5 to name a few.

    Re Might it be because you are gaining upside from humans acting like sheep?

    I have never profited from my faith Sir. I have never used my teaching as a source of income. I teach and preach the Word for the sheer pleasure of it.

    Humans act like sheep in so many ways. E.g Obamamania, at elections, hero worship of entertainers and sports personalities and so called celebrities

  23. Avatar
    Anonymous

    Oh GP

    but you are wrong! I really am in no position to determine who is a “true” Christian or who is not. Sufficed to say that it is a fact that the majority of humankind denoted/described as Christians are Roman Catholics. Secondly, I am sure that you do not know what percentage of those considered “Christians” joined the “Roman Catholic” church at the time of Constantine unless you can bring a census of Christians at that period. Thidly, the branch of theological analysis that you may follow cannot be termed the “most current mainstream Theology”. This would be to ignore the many schools of Theology in the West and in the East for which the Schofield Reference Bible and the Dallas Theological Seminary are considered American innovations in Protestantism which underlie a socio-political movement called Christian Zionism.

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Rok whereas I understand fully what you say in your last post, please also try to understand the Biblical view that I have put foward to you.

    If as you said people used the Bible to subjugate others it is/was wrong, because true NT freedom teaches that Christ liberates!

  25. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Anonymous

    Re Sufficed to say that it is a fact that the majority of humankind denoted/described as Christians are Roman Catholics.

    It is well known that most RC’s are nominal RC’s only and don’t even practice their faith.

    It is also well known that in Asia and Indonesia particularly that there are thousands of underground churches with thousands of practicing members.

    We know that at the time of Constantine that many Christians who opposed the merger of the state with the church went underground and were persecuted. The Faithful Baptist Witness and The Trail of Blood highlights the plight of the Albigenses, the Waldensians, the Lollards, the Petrobrusians etc etc who were descended from members of the early church right down to the Anabaptists-the forerunners of the Baptists.

    You may hold to your branch of theological analysis from wherever. I don’t know anything about any socio-political movements. I have read widely books by men like Chaffer, Ryrie, Wolvaard, Stephenson, Mc Gee, Ironside, Deffinbaugh and many others that came out of Dallas Theological Seminary. My interest is whether they help me to understand the Bible text. I sift out what makes sense to me. That works for me.

  26. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    “I have never profited from my faith Sir. I have never used my teaching as a source of income. I teach and preach the Word for the sheer pleasure of it.”

    By your teachings, you support people like yourselves earning billions at the expense of poor people. You teach people to be docile rather than vigilant; to prostrate themselves rather than have spine.

  27. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Anonymous
    It is known that men like Darby in the early 1800’s postulated the idea of Covenants and Dispensations as the fundamentals for interpreting Scripture.

    It is known that Schofield popilarized this notion, and that he had much influence on the first President of DTS.

    I know that men like Hagee actively promote Zionism, more than many theologians do; but I believe that the Scriptures teaches that God is not finished with his people (Romans 9-11 and many other prophetic Scriptures in books like Obadiah, Zechariah, Joel, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel.

  28. ROK Avatar
    ROK

    @GP

    “If as you said people used the Bible to subjugate others it is/was wrong, because true NT freedom teaches that Christ liberates!”

    This apologetic approach is coming after the fact. Christ does not liberate, he does not even want you to think for yourself and the prevalence of this frame of mind makes most people the “sheep”, as you call them.

  29. Avatar
    Anonymous

    GP
    I do not challenge “what makes sense to you” only that there are many, many other people of equally sincere and thoughtful disposition who may differ from you. Millions of these people are Roman Catholics. I am not defending their beliefs but only pointing out that you represent what is probably a minority Christian viewpoint. Quite frankly Zoe’s characterization of the Roman Catholic Church as evil, etc is conveniently dishonest. Any reasonable review of the history and development of what constitutes Christian beliefs today (even by Protestants, Baptists etc) would acknowledge a genesis in the same RC church (e.g. the Nicene Creed). Also being a theological descendant of the Anabaptists is no guarantee of Biblical fidelity I go no further than to point you to the present day Closed Brethren as examples.

  30. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    @GP: “I think all asthmatics should have aminophyline suppositories on hand for acute attacks”

    Would subcutaneous epinephrine (using an autoinjector like the EpiPen) be a better choice in the event of an acute attack?

  31. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @GP……..You didn’t only raise my ire, you also raised my blood pressure. With all those side-effects no wonder my brothers and sisters are dropping like flies and I’d bet you that there are deadly additives involved as well. Which one are you Dr.Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

  32. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    That should be Reverend Hyde.

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    @ Anonymous

    I take your points. I was just sharing my thoughts.

    @ MME
    I agree that subcutaneous epinephrine (using an autoinjector like the EpiPen) might be a good choice in the event of an acute attack. I guess I am a believer in aminophyline. One objection to the suppositories is that insertion high in the rectum has a different absorption to the lower rectum because of the differing venous drainage of these areas. But when they were available in Barbados, my asthmatics frequently reported that their use at the onset of an attack prevented them from going to QEH casualty.

    Nice to see you man. How is the apoptosis research going man. David of BU is still looking for his 1% royalties you know.

    @ Hopi
    LOL
    Not really. Aminophyline worked very well, before the advent of the beta agonists and the other agents that superceeded it. I actually prefer it to the nebulized newer stuff. I saw more rapid results with it.

    If used carefully its good stuff in my opinion.

  34. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    GP and MME why are you discussing drugs.

    According to Zoe, you only need him to come along are pray to jesus and you will be healed.

  35. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    that should be “and pray to jesus….”

  36. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    Zoe writes :

    ?BTW, you can bring whatever evidence you have, especially film of people being healed, delivered, etc, by your ‘god’ We will bring ours, Glorifying Our Great God and Saviour, Jesus Christ.”

    ———-

    So why are you wasting time posting here.

    You should be clearing out the QEH.

  37. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Mr. Halsall, Sir, my challenge to Rok, yourself, et al, IS NOT a DEBATE, nor any furter DISCUSSION, that has been going on long enough, though GP, GEM of TKI and a few other Christians in what little we have shared, re the Historic Christian faith, and its reality, which is only scratching the surface of its World Wide Testimony, over 2000 years.

    No, Halsall, the challenge I’m bringing to you all, is in The Name of our Resurrected Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ; for, this IS WHERE the ‘Rubber’ hits the road, NO DEBATE, NO DISCUSSION, bring yourself, and as many Agnostics, Athiest, Muslims, Hindu’s, Witches, Spiritists, Etc, Etc, as you can muster up, FOR this will be a night of Testimony, NOT debate, or discussion, each belief system will be allowed as many people as is practical to give their Personal Testimony of liberation, that they experienced from their belief system, THEN we Christians will give our Testimonies about our Transformed live through Jesus Christ, including some who have being Healed Miraculously by Jesus Christ, etc.

    If you still want a debate after that, we can arrange that for another night, at another forum!

    Warning though, you might be utterly surprised and overwhelmed, if not Transformed yourself, by what Jesus might do for you the first night! This is a warning of something wonderful, beyond your wildest imagination!

    Do you understand clearly, now, what this challenge is all about?

  38. Zoe Avatar
    Zoe

    Anonymous; your are so confused concerning 2000 years of Church History, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about, you have all the Oranges mixed up with the Apples, so typical of many who just have a ‘little’ information on this vast subject, speaking off the top of your head, without any detailed analysis of the facts.

    I’ll give you a more objective view of the facts tomorrow.

  39. Not Saved Avatar
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    Zoe,

    This seems a very capricious god.

    So I can come along and be “transformed” while at least a million others in this world currently starve.

    Nearly 10 million children under 5 will die in the next 12 months most from preventable causes but yet I can be “personally liberated” by this jesus fellow.

    No thanks.

    If he is all powerful, he has got a lot of work to do before he needs to help me.

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    And despite the thousands of words written by Zoe ( you have a count Chris?) not a single contemporaneous account of jesus.

    Not a single eyewitness account.

    Glaringly omitted from several historical accounts of the period, the greatest event in history according to Zoe.

    No originals of the gospels in existence, with the oldest complete copy dating from the 4th century.

  41. Not Saved Avatar
    Not Saved

    GP wrote earlier:

    “You of course know that there was no dispute concerning the Doctrine of Jesus Christ in the pre-Constantine “Church”.”

    ———–

    Seriously GP, now you making me laugh.

    You really trying to stretch credulity with that one.

    Why some groups of christians claimed more than one god !

    I would say the period was more closer to chaos.

    I know you will try to wriggle out of this and say the “TRUE” church was never in dispute.

    That is always the easy way out.

    However the pre constantine church really does make for interesting study.

  42. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    LOL GP. The research is coming along well. I’ve developed a fascination with Hydra and Highlander jellyfish, and discovered some surprises… for example, I think I now understand the connection between eating fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the embedding of the apoptosis ‘self-destruct’ code in our DNA… one clue lies in the asymmetric inheritance of mitochondria. 🙂

    I also understand why the apoptosis code was necessary and when in history it was ‘written’ into our DNA. 🙂

  43. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    1% royalties… wait, you is David shop steward or wha? 🙂

  44. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    GP……..Do you know that western medicine and religion compliment each other? In western medicine, the cause of the disease is never cured nor killed its only treated so that the patient has to repeat the treatment, like asthma,(chhching$$) and similarly in religion you can ‘sin’ and go back to your beliefs and ‘sin’ again and repeat this process and the ‘sinner’ is never cured of the cause of his ‘sinning’ all you’ll get is forgiveness but the root of the ‘sin’ is still there. And the modern day christian evangelists are cleaning out the bank accounts of many a believers in the name of Jesus. Oh these two are like hand and glove, christianity and medicine and the end thereof is death.

    @Zoe……’This is a warning of something wonderful, beyond your wildest imagination!’ You’re becoming drunk with this demonic religion thing to the point where your orgasmic. Maybe you should take UNSAVED’s advice and clear out the QEH. Anyhow should I take it that you do not have a factual answer to any of those questions that I’ve posed to you? And right now you’re only intoxicated with your churchianity?

  45. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    After all these post from GP, Zoe, Anon et al…..one thing that puzzles me, is how these so called Christians, follow this book called the bible which is supposed to be easily understood (but you have to be trained lol),can come here and discredit other faiths. This is my problem with Christianity in the first place. All going to the same destination, just taking different routes.
    @ GP…what makes the SDA a cult?? Can you please explain?
    Are the JWs and Mormons etc cults also?
    If so, what is your faith and explain why yours is not a cult so that I, being in the darkness can hopefully see the light.

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    Hopi

    @Tech….’All going to the same destination.’ Where is that destination.?

  47. AlexJones Avatar
    AlexJones

    @ Hopi – Can’t counter what was actually said in the movie as being right or wrong cus I am not going to watch it, I was just commenting on the creator of it. Either way, I still seem to be more on topic about the movie than whatever else this thread is discussing. Didn’t realize it was a Christian documentary of sorts! haha I was obviously misled and got here by mistake. I know AJ don’t question God! So hardly think he would make a documentary discussing what is being discussed here as this is off topic for him. Just my guess though.

  48. Technician Avatar
    Technician

    @ Hopi…Salvation…by their account.

  49. Hopi Avatar
    Hopi

    @Tech……Well the only ride to Salvation right now is via the Titanic and it seems headed for another destruction ’cause its overloaded.

    @’AlexJ’……..Its not about you being on topic on this thread, like I said its all relative. So don’t hop up in hey looking to score points. And how can you be on topic about the movie when you said that you haven’t nor aren’t going to watch it. You’re beef is with Alex J, not Obama the deception so you can call AlexJ today or even blog on his site like I do against his ‘gatekeeper’ stance, just like your hero Noam. BTW are you an Obama groupie?

  50. AlexJones Avatar
    AlexJones

    @ Hopi Score points with who? BRUHUAHAHA gimme a break, I came here to make jokes of AJ, if I wanted to impress someone I would have said how cool the film is. I am not watching another one of his BS films, I have wasted enough of my life with people showing them to me and watching other ones. He has constantly failed to impress me with his theatre so if he finally got one right, good for him, too late for me.

    I am very much on topic for discussing the lack of credibility behind the man who created the film. I will not be one of his sheeple after he has proven to be a hoax. I am not blind and refuse to follow blindly. You have asked me to prove something is wrong in the film, implying you think he got it all right without questioning it! According the AJ the world ended in 2000 when the Russians unleashed their nuclear arsenal upon the world!

    No, not Obama groupie. Just think AJ is a donkey so that we are clear as you seem to want to tag me incorrectly and I didn’t appreciate being called a groupie.

    To call AJ a gatekeeper is to give him too much credibility. I am not going over to his site post as his site is full of morons discussing alien control of the world and this is even after he censors it. Funny how he complains about US censorship and when people discuss his wife or children’s background the threads vanish. He is the ultimate dictator.

    You can say what you want about Chomsky but his work is leaps and bounds above AJ. Chomsky actually can write books! He knows how to read and write! hahaha Not yell nonsensical slogans into a megaphone at the top of his lungs like some great preacher man. The youth of today are too easily impressed with sound bites though so AJ is king! Books are boring. Keep the faith as that is what you need to follow this false prophet.

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