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If kids come to us [educators/teachers] from strong, healthy functioning families, it makes our job easier. If they do not come to us from strong, healthy, functioning families, it makes our job more important.

Barbara Colorose

Minister of Education Ronald Jones  - Image Source Nation News
Minister of Education Ronald Jones – Image Source Nation News

The recent gaffe by Minister of Education Ronald Jones when he publicly chastised the actions of some school principals has rightly attracted the wrath of Barbadians. His public condemnation of one of the key stakeholders in the educational system cannot be excused. Education is one of the issues where a national consensus is mandatory; the desire by some to politicize this matter must stop. The education of our PEOPLE post Independence has been the vehicle that Barbados has used to overcome many of the challenges that confront nations, especially the developing ones. Its importance can be seen annually by the large slice of the budget which is allocated.

We have no doubt that Minister Jones is sincere in his desire to improve his ministry. He was a teacher and we assume must be acquainted with the challenges facing the educational system. However, arising from the current impasse it is difficult to fathom how Minister Ronald Jones can now commander the support and engender the confidence required from all the stakeholders in the education fraternity.

We believe he should do the honourable thing and resign.

Having stated the above we have to remind the BU family that the challenges facing our educational system did not begin on January 16, 2008. The hunger by other key players in the system to use the public forum to ventilate on sensitive issues is equally wrong and does nothing to build a team approach to problem solving.

What is so difficult for our educators to understand that we are at a critical juncture in the country’s socio-economic development, and education will have to play a key role to support the model society we want to continue building?

What is so difficult for our educators to understand that this is an issue that requires a consensus approach by the Ministry of Education, principals, teachers, parents and others to agree to a roll-out strategy to make our education system relevant?

If all the players were singing from the same hymn sheet then Minister Jones would have appreciated that saying what he did in the forum that he did was inappropriate. His gaffe followed that of the Chief Education Officer Dr. Wendy Griffith-Watson a few months ago when she slighted two of our schools on national radio, it generated a similar furore.

Our children who our educators are committed to serve are being sorely letdown. As long as the public bickering between the Ministry of Education and the other stakeholders continue; the impact on our educational system will be negative at a time when leadership is required in all areas of society. The children represent the future of a country; many have started to question the relevance of the current education system. Our children who have to suffer heavy criticism from society deserve better from our leaders in education.

The subject of education is dear to the hearts of Barbadians, we often boast of our 98+ literacy rate. Instead of the bickering we are hearing from the players in the education sector, we would prefer to hear of the solutions to address the lack of infrastructure to teach reading in many of our schools, how about the inefficiency of the criterion test which is given to Infants B pupils and the results are often not known until they reach Class 2, bear in mind that the criterion test is used to stream students. What about the large number of students who don’t PASS ONE CXC?

Barbadians seem fixated on the success of the block of students located at the pinnacle of the pyramid. A major disappointment has been the unwillingness of our educational system to prepare students for the changing world. The comfort level we still have to produce lawyers, accountants, sociologists and not enough engineers (scientists) and individuals who are prepared to be entrepreneurs. The vision and strategy for education must change to target the thousands of children who are being deposited annually by the current system with no skills.

Minister Jones if he is able to survive the current shouts for his head or his successor, the task to build a consensus approach in the important sector of education must become a priority. A nation of ignorant and illiterate people cannot be a good thing.


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118 responses to “Minister Ronald Jones And A Case Of Confidence”


  1. School tie
    That’s right, but two wrongs don’t make any of them right. The only ones to get hurt are the children themselves.Can we allow two jerks to ruin our educational system? we need a mediator, some-one trusted to call the entire group together, school principals and Min. Jones, let them cuss each other but in the end reach an agreement and make a joint statement. I call on ALL of them to act responsible.


  2. I agree with Jones – where do schoolkids go when they’re sent home? Schools are IN LOCO PARENTIS; in place of parents – if something happens to them as they are heading home while really due in school’s care, who stands blame? Parents? Chaw!

    Matthew Farley is a bombastic twerp who if he had his way would not allow Damien Griffith to be a Senator for daring to tout braids! A Pre-Colonial jackass such as Farley should be removed as principal then flogged with a tamarind switch dipped in horse urine, given a year’s detention and 3 bln. lines as follows….

    “I AM IN THE 21ST CENTURY, I WILL LEARN WHAT NEW STYLES AND MORALS EXIST POST-EMANCIPATION & POST INDEPENDENCE; I MUST CONFORM 2 SAME MORES”


  3. I fail to see how intelligent people like Negro Man and Ian Bourne cannot see that the major problem is not who is right or wrong on the subject matter but the method used is WRONG. They both need to understand business manners. As I have stated earlier, Min Jones has always been arrogantand like talking down to people, Mr Farley is very contrivesal, yet they both means well in a different way, all it needs is some-one to gel the two together before it cause irrepairable damage. Both are being childish and I call on the two goodly bloggers afore mentioned to use your commonsense and try to convince these two gentlemen to do the same. this is my final comment on this issue other than to compliment them both for ending the impass.


  4. GO GET THEM RONALD
    BIG-UP TO MY FORMER TEACHER


  5. Minister Jones was right to vent. Sometimes situations demand that you do and say at a particular time. I just wonder wuh tek he so long. His comments can’t make the situation any worse. I think the only reason for the storm in the teacup is because the girls at the school clapped and had a good laugh. Some principals believe that our schools are their little kingdoms that they could do as they please with the people children. I hear so many horror stories, especially from our boys. A lot of them have no recourse that is why they drop out of school. My children went to a certain school and because of perception, you know the ignorant principal told us that my children should not be associating with some children because of his warped thinking. Not a thing did wrong wid dem children, all duh want was a litte love and teaching. Everything the children do, especially the boys if duh play too rough, he use to either call de parents or next ting yuh know duh get suspend for flimsy reason. The 5th form students at that school were only too glad to get their CXC’s and finish school. As far as I know the boys that get pick pon, aint went Dodds or got into any kind of trouble and yuh know duh working. In my opinion children should be learning in a safe, relaxed, happy environment, not worrying about if de principal gine send dem home.

    All Min. Jones did was to get a few principals vex. So Matthew, Karen, Mary and Jeff guh long and teach de people children and stop pretending that wunna don’t talk outa line sometimes.


  6. I agree with Jones – where do schoolkids go when they’re sent home? Schools are IN LOCO PARENTIS;
    ……………………………………………………….
    Ian, how many times these children were sent home since July? Everyday you see students on the road during school hours, are you saying these students were sent home?

    You seems to have a grouse with Farley, thus you would crucify him before you deal with issue at hand. You let me down buddy.


  7. My children went to a certain school and because of perception, you know the ignorant principal told us that my children should not be associating with some children because of his warped thinking.
    ……………………………………………………….
    Be bold. Tell us the school. I would be thankful for a teacher or principal to alert me if my kids are in the wrong company. Maybe, the principal knew something that we are too blind to see.


  8. Negroman wrote “The teachers at that school were and are powerless to do anything about the bad behavior of those students.”

    That is not true you know. When my girl was a prefect at HC she had reason to disipline a judge’s son. I said to her (just joking you know) “don’t you know that that is a judge’s son”. She said to me. “I’ll deal with him now and if his judicial parent ever has to deal with me, then they will deal with me, but when I am the prefect in charge he HAS to obey.”

    And we ain’t big shots. Said boy turned out all right, and I am sure that judicial parent is grateful for the disipline enforced.

    If a 16 year old girl can keep a judge’s son in line, don’t you think that grown teachers (who are taking our money every month too) can do the same.

    Stupseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Negroman why you feel so powerless???


  9. some of us cant handle the truth about our children…

    I see children on the street after 3 and before 9 in the morning… what if something happens to them then…who si responsibility. Why does it then matter if the said childern are on the street between 9 and 3. I dont see a difference.

    In addition if the principal call me and tell me that my chile is disruptive and to collect the chile and I cant come because I work until 5pm and he send home de chile at 1pm ….waht is the difference. I dont be home at 3 niether!


  10. Min. Jones style of delivery is his weakness.
    The school system in Barbados is full of double standards, one for the top and one for the bottom.
    At the beginning of the term, some schools sent home children for breaching the code and others did not even though we were told that all principals were in agreement on the code.
    Can anyone guess which schools sent the students back on the streets.
    Does anyone deny that students from the newer secondary schools are sent home for offences more readily than students in older secondary schools?

    If there is one education act then it should be followed by all principals across the system.
    The minister imho believes that some principals are ignoring policies set by the ministry and behave as though they are above the ministry (minister?).

    On another note,
    The top schools gets the brightest and the bottom schools the rest, both sets of students are then expected to take the same examinations at the same time and we then compare the results and grade the schools on the number of passes they receive. Is this fair to the students or teachers?
    It would be great if Min. Jones would also look at this issue.


  11. ha ha ha it amazes me that persons can get so riled up about what Minister Jones said. Ha ha ha ha.

    I went to an older secondary school and the teachers made my life a living hell! Many of them thought that I would be in jail by now ha ha ha ha!

    I got my CXCs when I left school and I did some more and now I am trying to get a degree ha ha ! Persons who were preist’s sons and so on got the sweet treatment, persons who the teachers thought would have made it are now on bail ha ha I aint see the back of a policeman jeep yet. Furthermore, I raise my children with more principles than them so called teachers ever had or will have!

    Jones was right!

    Who stands up for the children I am not saying they are right to be rude and not be disciplined but if something happens to them who will be held responsible!

    The Ministry of Education will be sued or castigated Jonesie ya right!


  12. I cant wait until there are more PRIVATE schools in Barbados where rules will be followed and parents will be involved in their childrens welfare.


  13. Stupseeeeeeeee, this is what I call making a mountain out of a mole hill.
    Parents need to know that they are responsible for their offspring. Not the Minister, Principals,Teachers, Police etc. There are far too many muddas and faddas in this place and not enough mummies and daddies. Your children are YOUR responsibility.Discipline begins in the home or the womb, whichever. These nowaday parents want to be more friends than parents to their children. Bare joke. Too many tails wagging de dogs these days. We got to get back to good old parenting man.
    Isa, is your name short for Isa-ass? Your comments about Mr.Farley are not very becoming for an adult. Let’s hope for your sake and everyone’s sake that you are not a parent. If so, you’re a typical example of ‘how de yout get so’.
    Shame on you.
    Stuupseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.


  14. Bonny Peppa

    you are so obnoxious
    you bore me with your silly antics

    ban yourself from barbados underground


  15. Anonymous,

    I will take your advice. I’m packing my bags. Adios, hasta la vista, so long. But I leave with a heavy heart cause I really thought that you Anonymous luffs me more than Scout or Pat or 199 or ROK, even Chris Halsall. Deceived…………again. (sob, sob)


  16. Nothing justifies having school age children on the road during school hours. The law makes the case for why they should be in school, and only the LAW should make the case for them to be sent away from school, during class time.


  17. Maybe he could have said it in another forum but he said what needed to be said. Why should he resign? Are human beings not entitled to mistakes? I was once sent out of class for not knowing the work. The attitudes of some educators leave MUCH to be desired and many of them are not as educated as they promote themselves to be. Sometimes they act as if the children are their enimies and are not there to be nurtured and taught.

    HATS OFF to Mr. Jones for letting them know dem doing nuff shite!

    As for Farty Farley, his attitude pisses me off….then again he still thinks a fellow with braided hair should be judged on his appearance rather than his ability. He even brings parents to tears when speaking to them…ole headstrong foolish @ss.


  18. Sour,
    Ya sour fa true but ma likes ya. And I quote,” Hats off to Mr.Jones for letting them know dem doing nuff shite”. Ya bad. Ya sour like a goose-berry man…..or acid rain. Go Sour go. Is dat Mr Farley’s other christian name? It sound funny to me doe. Mr. Mathew Farty Farley. Uh-uh, dah in song rite.

    Happy Holidays.


  19. A part of the problem is that many of us think that education is free.

    Many teachers believe that they are doing us a favour by teaching our children, becasue “it is free, we ain’t paying for it.”
    Many parents believe that education has no value because they are “not paying for it.”

    Many children do not value their educational opportunities because they too believe that it is free.

    The truth is that it isn’t free.

    The average middle class Bajan more MORE taxes on the same income than the average American or Canadian.

    So why do so many of us behave that education is free and therefore has no value?

    Tax paying parents (and we are ALL tax payers) should demand value for tax MONEY from the teachers and principals.

    Tax paying parents should DEMAND value for tax MONEY from the Minister of Education, The Ministry of Education, the principals, the classroom teachers, the educational officers on Constitution Road, the janitors, the secretaries, the school meals servers, EVERYBODY.

    Tax paying parents (that is ALL of us, because we pay 15% value added tax on anything more luxurious than a pound of flour) should DEMAND that their children go to school regularly, and should DEMAND that the children pay attention and work hard while they are at school.

    For too long we have let politicians fool us that they are “giving us free education” even while we pay 15% VAT on most goods, 25% income tax on any income above $24,600 per, high rates of property tax, high rates of road tax etc., etc., etc.

    And we have LET public officials treat us and our children with contempt.

    We have been afraid to make HARD DEMANDS on our teachers and policy makers because we are foolish enough to believe tht they are doing us a favour, giving us a freeness.

    Education in Barbados is not free. We paying a lot of taxes. We are ENTITLED to DEMAND value for our tax MONEY from our teachers and other civil servants.


  20. We do not have to send our children to private schools in order for them to get a good education. We have the right, right now to demand that our teachers and educational officals deliver.

    WE PAY THEM.


  21. When I was just a youth the old people (those who had raised 10 or more children well) had a saying:

    “The stricter the master, the wilder the beast.”

    A word to the wise is sufficient.


  22. Bonny Peppa, it is not relevent whether I am a parent or not. It is the responsibility of all persons to keep an eye on our children and our educational system. Getting back to you, from your reply to me, I have assumed that you are a single parent and teacher, that does not care for your students. So, you must address yourself with a bit of class, look after the children whom you are teaching, so that you can be a better parent and teacher. Merry Christmas!


  23. Isa,
    Merry Christmas to you too darlinks. I’ve been called many things before from a nun to a prostitute, so you assuming that I am a teacher just adds to de list honey. And no, I was not a single parent. I am a mother and grandmother also, who like you has the interest of these children at heart. I just thought that your remarks about Mr. Farley were a bit irrational. Don’t know him personally but he doesn’t seem to be the perverted type that you seemed to be portraying him to be. Maybe you were just being a bit facetious. If I seemed a bit hard on you, my apologies m’am. Again, Yuletide Greetings. Ma likes ya still.


  24. Adrian Hinds // December 6, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Nothing justifies having school age children on the road during school hours. The law makes the case for why they should be in school,

    ….. and only the LAW should make the case for them to be sent away from school, during class time.

    ******AND HERE IS THE CASE THE LAW MAKES IN THAT REGARD******

    Jeff Cumberbatch in his Barbados Sunday Dec 7th 2008 Advocate column “Musings” titled “The Power To Exclude” opiniates as follows:

    ” It is important therefore that Principals gain a clear understanding of their power to exclude a child from school, and not do so merely because they now have “reduced” methods of punishment”. whatever that may mean, in the face of a breakdown of discipline.
    Just as the power to inflict corporal punishment is now a creature of the statute and no longer dependent on the principle in loco parentis, so too the power to exclude from school is cabined and confined within, as lawyers say, the four corners of the relevant provision in the Education Regulations 1982.

    According to Regulation 29 (1), “Where any pupil of a public school commits any act that causes injury to a teacher or another pupil or where his conduct is such that his presence in the school is likely to have a detrimental effect on the discipline of other pupils of he school, the principal may suspend the pupil from the school for a period not exceeding ten (10) school days”. It is immediately noticeable here that suspension is only permitted for certain forms of serious misconduct and that the principal’s power to suspend is merely permissive and he may do so only for a limited period.

    Sub-regulation 2 goes on to stipulate that the Principal, on suspending a pupil, must immediately notify the Board or Committee of Management AND the PARENT ( my emphasis). There is no indication here that this procedure is optional or alternative in nature.

    A plain reading of the law therefore would suggest that there is no power in a Principal to send home a child in the circumstance outlined in the incident related by the Minister.
    ———————————————-

    Read the full text of Jeff’s Column, his reasoning is base on law, and as i have said before the law will always be my guide, not any man, and if Mr. Farley or whomever cannot operate within the confines of the law, and their actions disadvantage me and my child, i will see him in court. We must always be a nation of laws otherwise it will be “your law is not my law” and everyman for himself. Can’t we see what is happening in our country? Last week we had all manner of excuses for the continued use of Marijuana inspite of the law, and now we have all manner of excuses being made for Principals engaging in behavour contrary to law. This cannot work people. Somebody can get hurt if we continue down this path.


  25. Therefore the law needs revisiting to deal with the modern climate of our schools. In some schools female teachers are scared to go certain areas of the school for fear of being assaulted. Sexual activities are prominent at some schools during break and mostly after school and teachers are afraid to report incedences for fear of being victimised by students. At one school, a youngster was suspended for bad behaviour but came to school every day of the suspension so that he could service his drug clients at school and was reported to have informed the principal that if he want trouble, he can inform the Ministry and his thugs would come for him. These are just a few of the incedents that I heard/ knew about. Principals/ teachers are having a rough time at our schools and I think this episcode will only strenthen the students against the administration. What is freightening is that this activity has crept into some of our primary schools. To me these are the matters that Min Jones and the Principals need to be addressing urgently.


  26. I am dissappointed that a commenter should see fit to introduce an identified school child into the debate, to further their argument.

    This is totally unnecessary – your argument is strong enough without it – even in Courts of Law convicted “minors” are often not named and thus protected.

    This perhaps is an oversight but we should be mindful of our responsibilities…if we seek to ask them of others.


  27. Yardbroom I have no idea to whom you are referring. I went back several posts to see which commenter earned your disappointment, and was none the wiser. Could you have not stated who and what comments brought you this disappointment? schuuuppsse

    Facts:
    If the law can be interpreted to wily nilly send home school children, I am sure that it can be used in the situation you highlighted. There are also other laws to deal with the student’s response to the suspension, and police should be called in to enforce those laws. However I agree with you. All need to act, and can do so with existing laws.


  28. AH, I think Yardbroom is referring to Farley’s daughter.


  29. Adrian
    Juris is correct but I tried not to introduce by identification again.


  30. @Adrian Hinds
    While your legalistic logic is highly appreciated, I am sure that you are well aware that it is this kind of logic that has placed your adopted country in the downward slide that it is now on…

    There is nothing that is more important to the future of a country than the development of its children. This places special responsibility on parents, communities (church) and schools in this regard.
    The home has been severely compromised because of broken homes, busy schedules due to the focus on materialistic success and by a generation of really ignorant parents.
    The church is useless.

    This leaves the schools.

    The only hope here is for strong leaders to establish standards and rules which can mould children into good citizens.

    To do this, teachers need to be creative, innovative, loving and dedicated to that cause. The task is complex, what works with one child may fail completely with another. THERE IS NO ONE LAW OR RULE THAT CAN BE UNIVERSALLY APPLIED TO RAISING CHILDREN.

    What we need are wise, committed principals.

    Bush Tea’s proposals are to
    0 – get a ‘real real’ minister

    1- shut down the ministry of education (except for the receptionist who can redirect calls to the appropriate school).

    2. publish each school’s results annually (academic, discipline, management and development results)

    3- promote and encourage the type of leadership that works and demote/ discourage that where results are poor

    The very last thing that we need is for lawyers to be controlling the education system like in Adrian’s country. When that happens, we may as well close the schools.

    …just look back over the years at the successes that we have had in education and every one of them will attribute their success to INDIVIDUAL teachers and principals like ‘Tank’, Major Noot, Major Barker, etc..

    …leave the Principals alone.


  31. People’s, the law is always subject to interpretation. What is ill-discipline? Note the language: “..any student commits any act”.

    Secondly, it does not say physical injury, it simply says that causes any “injury”. By law, it means that a child could be send home for words said, that caused non-physical injury to teacher, principal or students.

    The law is full of loopholes. The more you try to tighten the language, the larger the monster. Here, it would seem that the law specifies one particular condition, but really it is so wide, that the principal could send home a child for almost anything and get away with it.

    The problem is always how the law is applied. Take for example the Vagrancy Act which is no longer on the statute books. It actually allowed the Police to persecute citizens. If you stop walking you could be arrested and if you kept walking in a circle or up and down, you could still be arrested under this law.

    We seem to think that law covers all, but there are such things as conventions and culture which support legal interpretation. Cost, for example in the Courts means the Attorney’s fees and no other costs, even though the legislation does not specifically state this, nor does the law deny you the cost in its wording, but by convention and precedence, cost is restricted to Attorney’s fees.


  32. Another point about the law. Which is why there is good law and bad law. Now if as a contingency, there was a provision in the Act which stated that a child should not be denied “Schooling” or “instruction” (not education as this is a long term thing and a child can be sent home for ten days without hampering its education) for frivilous reasons, then this would put a spin on the interpretation of “causes any injury”, since the interpretation of an injury can now be placed in the category of frivilous.

    Just an example.


  33. Bush tea

    one thing I like about you is that you are consistent…that said, given that many Principals do not display any of the characteristics of empathetic, reasoned, achievement-oriented and wise leadership, why should they be “left alone”?

    This spat between Jones and some anonymous principals does seem to indicate the correctness of your thesis that Ministers are impotent blowhards.

    Jones should be fired for unknowingly revealing this condition.

    For you on this beautiful Sunday morning from Dante’s Divine Comedy on decribing the Gates of Hell…

    “Justice the founder of my fabric mov’d:
    To rear me was the task of power divine,
    Supremest wisdom, and primeval love.

    Before me things create were none, save things
    Eternal, and eternal I endure.
    All hope abandon ye who enter here.”


  34. Children must follow the rules but one thing I would wish to know. Before children are sent home do the principals contact the parents to inform them of the action being taken? I wonder, because what would be the explanation for children liming in town during school hours? Maybe someone can enlighten me.


  35. @Devil
    You done know that I well frighten for you too… and that was even before I realise that you used to quote big up poets….

    By ‘left alone’ I am sure that you know I mean “left to get on with their important work.”
    Like all of us, some are well suited for that work and do well, while others do quite poorly.

    NOTE MY SECOND and THIRD POINT….

    2-Publish all school results
    3-Promote those with good results, and
    Demote (get rid of) those with poor results..

    i.e. Let us judge them by their FRUITS.

    With respect to the ministers.. most of them “know that they know not..” but unfortunately, too many of them “know not that they know not …”

    I am no poet, but I like this piece of draft…
    He who knows, and knows that he knows – he is wise, follow him
    He who knows, and knows not that he knows – he is asleep, wake him
    He who known not, and knows that he knows not, the PS will control him.. and
    He who knows not, and knows not that he knows not – will go around talking bovine excrement and causing embarrassment.


  36. @ Tony Hall,
    The principals here are generally very responsible citizens, teachers, parents and leaders. They would have been in the ‘children business’ for decades…

    You think that they will generally put a child at that kind of risk like that? it would have to be a VERY RARE case of poor judgement or where it may have been the BETTER option rather than keep the child in school and have someone maimed or KILLED…

    ..most of the jokers talking would not survive as a principal for 4 hours on any school day…. wanna think it easy? the children ALMOST running things right now and wanna talking bout tying the principals’ hands?

    What rules what?!?
    You think this is the States?

    …keep this up and we will soon be debating if Principals should be allowed to take AK47’s to work…


  37. Good one BT! I hope you acknowledge that instituting your second and third points will mean that principals and teachers will be held accountable. Accountability is a veritable hell for civil servants and such words are not to be spoken in the benighted halls of bureaucracy .


  38. Yardbroom wrote “I am dissappointed that a commenter should see fit to introduce an identified school child into the debate”

    I did NOT introduce an identified school child by name. Besides she is no longer a child.

    It was the police, presumably with the consent of one or both parents, and the editors of our news organizations who introduced the girl’s name and situation to the public.

    If something (someody) is ALREADY in the public domain I will always feel free to comment on it.

    If you do ot want me to comment on your business or your children’s business then you must work with your children IN YOUR HOME to get them to behave themselves so that their business does not come to my notice.

    That said I believe that Mr. Farley has problems managing adolescents. Perhaps he was an EXCELLENT primary school principal, and perhaps he should be permitted to return to a primary school.

    Dealing with adolescents is different from dealing with small children. I know. I am older than Mr. Farley and I’ve raised more that one child and helped to raise many others (I was 6 when my mother first went to town to buy the groceries and left me to care for 2 younger ones for several hours- I did well) and they have all turned our well. I have never have to go to the school, the police, lawyers, nor psychologists never have to come to me.

    As I’ve learned from the man in my life -also a teacher- sometimes the best thing we can do for our teenagers is to HOLD them with OPEN arms.


  39. And Yardbroom if we are having a conversation and there is a BIG PINK ELEPHANT in the middle of the room, then yes I have to talk about the BIG PINK ELEPHANT.


  40. J
    I take your point I will let that rest.
    You once wrote a comment on BFP that was so funny and entertaining, I was laughing for days, my wife thought I was mad, it was so well done I remember it well…I digress.

    I spent over twenty five years in an educational establishment with adolescents…this has taught me they “must have boundaries”, firm but fair the alternative is anarchy, any weakness will be exploited.


  41. farley

    . Talkshow host
    . Technical operator
    . Newspaper writer
    . Woman hound
    . Hire car renter
    . Busy body
    . Jackass
    . Fool
    . Wife left he
    . Daughter run way from home
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    . Teacher

    I wonder if Karen Best is any better.


  42. So Marcus 2

    What is your take on all that. I know of a family of three including mother only. One child ran away from home and the other was happy with his lot. What could one conclude on the face of that?

    Farley cannot be the first principal to bring a parent to tears. Many people just don’t like to hear the truth. Some4 believe that because they are an adult nobody should talk to them about certain things. However, sometimes a person needs to hear the truth from time to time. OIf course you may ask, what is the truth.

    Too many parents tolerate indiscipline from their children, but the problem with that is that the children end up not knowing how to behave, so their behaviour in public comes across looking like disrespect.


  43. Marcus2; J; and others like you.
    Keep it up, your stupid, irresponsible comments will greatly enhance our education system. When I was at school, my teachers taught students, today most teachers teach a subject. It’s up to the student if he/she wants to learn. This has come about because of the scant respect paid to teachers. Plus the older teacher who can’t do that are retiring as soon as their easliest time is up. These teachers are not going the extra mile simply because parents today expect the teacher to teach their children everything, even manners, and morals, yet if the teacher has to scold the child for anything the parent don’t like the parent ready to go to the school to fight. People, is so-called progress causing us to get arrogant and ignorant. Teaching, nursing and policing are three of the hardest jobs in Barbados, yet we treat these three catagory of people with little respect. Stop the foolishness, these children is the future of our country, if this is the way we want this country to go, I think some of you should be charged with disrupting this society. May I suggest that some of you neophites stop blogging unless it is something sensible. I’ve very serious.


  44. J // December 6, 2008 at 7:43 pm

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    My sentiments exactly!


  45. Not all conflict is bad, when processed and handled aright it can deliver amazing results.

    Perhaps it is time for the teachers, the Ministry and the students to have introspection.

    I did not get an opportunity to hear Mr. Farley’s response to mr. Jones’ comments, but one thing I do know is that the Garrison School is in shambles. Ask the students how many teachers bother to come to the classes to teach them. Fourth form students barely doing 2nd form level work.

    I happenend to be there for an event a few weeks ago and overheard a parent saying that a teacher told her that they were employing the “up and out” concept for the children.

    If conflict going to reform and revamp the educational system them let the conflict continue.


  46. Bush Tea // December 7, 2008 at 10:43 am

    @Adrian Hinds
    While your legalistic logic is highly appreciated, I am sure that you are well aware that it is this kind of logic that has placed your adopted country in the downward slide that it is now on…

    The very last thing that we need is for lawyers to be controlling the education system like in Adrian’s country. When that happens, we may as well close the schools.

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    I am not going to accept from the above that you have little uses for the Education act of Barbados, or that you have little regard for the LAW and the role it should play in the affairs of men. No i will not do that. However I am a big strong man and as such carry the belief that in an Anarchic society, such as could occur when your “law is not my Law” replaces adherance to national law, that i would fare not so bad by administering my form of justice and subjecting others to it as well. But if perchance your two comments above were also intended to take a swipe at America hoping that i rush to it’s defence, yuh gine got tuh first develop the argument some more, because i am not sure that whatever decline so see in this society isn’t evident elswhere as well.

    ….How else would you suggest that i bring Mr. Farley to the table of reason and adherance to the law? Meet him outside de school gate and cuff he in he face? or have him served to appear in court? I have no problem doing the former if the latter fails. :0 lol!
    ……………..


  47. @ All.

    Why so much focus on punishing the student? Is punishment the best solution or are there other means available. Punishment the simply easiest way out! I suggest that lazy minds, lack of proper training and little creative thinking, which has become common place in our educational system maybe to blame for the prevailing view that punishment is the best way solve the problem of discipline in our schools.
    Counsellors, social workers and special education teachers should play a more vital role in our educational system.

    Take a look @ Summerville, correctional school for girls…troubled girls are placed in there by the system and receive no formal education or skills training, even though they are supposed to.

    Take a look at the school for children with special needs ….During an interview I had with the head of the Challenor School, he was brought to tears when he spoke to me lack of funding and adequate support and equipment that is needed to help our special children reach their full potential. It broke my heart to see first hand how the educational system continues to fail our children.

    Do we really value our children in Barbados ??

    Yes parents have the major responisbilty but many of them are just children themselves. When will the cycle stop and when will we stop passing the blame onto someone else. Someone needs to fight for our children. WHO will it be?! Here Here Mr. Jones, at least someone has the balls to speak up!

    Principals need to look for brighter and better ways to enforce the schools rules and spend more time getting to the root of the problem instead of trying to punish the behavior.


  48. Punishment has its place but it is not the only solution! At least his comments have Bajans thinking and talking!


  49. Marcus 2,

    Are you trying to be funny? Well try again, cause you failed this time around.
    Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.


  50. @Adrian Hinds
    did you REALLY say ”
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    I am not going to accept from the above that you have little uses for the Education act of Barbados, or that you have little regard for the LAW and the role it should play in the affairs of men.
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    Adrian, as one Holders hill man to a next – You really ask me dat?

    What law what?!?
    I am not talking bout no law -I talking bout common sense…

    You name for me ONE law passed by the BLP in the last 10 years that make any kind of sense to you…..

    They mash up Education, Credit Unions, Traffic management, Safety and health, land use policy, Immigration… you name it….

    They passed numerous CSME laws that REMOVES the rights that Barbadians had as citizens here (our birthrights); refused to pass needed ones (like breathalyser testing), and almost all of those that they DID pass turned out to be flawed (like the seat belt one that had to be withdrawn partially etc)

    What laws what?!? our recent laws are just a bunch of poorly thought out ideas put together by a bunch of jokers.

    I put it to you that it IS the new education act – pushed by a gang of BLP women to try to bring Principals to heel- that has most resulted in the current poor performance of our schools.

    You better try and come back home yuh!!! I can’t believe a sensible product of Holmes hamcutters could have come to the point of using laws put together by people who waged years of war against school principals (-starting with Orrie Smith- destroying schools like Lodge in the process) as something sacrosanct.

    It must be something you eating down there in the ‘new nighted states’ yuh…

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