Nelson Statue Located In Heroes Square Barbados
Nelson Statue Located In Heroes Square Barbados

It is the month of November when Barbadians will proudly celebrate forty two years as a sovereign country. We are told that the broken trident emblazoned on our national flag represents the break from our colonial past represented by England our colonial master at the time. The BU household is fully aware of the tremendous achievements we have made as a tiny island nation comparable with other countries better endowed with financial and other resources.

As a predominantly Black country we can wear our economic and social achievements proudly. As we  continue to bask in our achievements in the relative brief period of sovereignty, we are aware that we still have a long road to travel to foster that esprit de corps we will need  sustain our success. We believe that in recent years the focus of our development has been skewed towards physical at the expense of our social and moral development.

Under the previous government, to their credit they established the Pan African Commission, rebranded Trafalgar Square, Heroes Square and planted the Errol Barrow statue in Independence Square among our symbolic acts targeted at nation building. However the contentious issue of whether Nelson Statue should be removed from Heroes Square remains outstanding.

We suspect that the previous government played politics with this issue to not offend certain interests.

The BU household’s position on whether Lord Nelson should be moved is simple. We cannot deny our past so therefore we do not agree that it should be dumped in the wharf. However if as a country we have seen the need to rename Trafalgar Square to Heroes Square then it becomes fairly obvious, given the symbolism of doing so, that Lord Nelson should not occupy the prominence it now enjoys. Several other locations are available to resite Lord Nelson statue. Does the Thompson government have the commonsense to make the sensible decision?

Here is a contra-position:

Submitted as a comment by John on the Graeme Hall Sanctuary Blog

Go and actually read some history and you will find that not only did Nelson’s victory at the Nile in 1798 save Africa from French invasion, but that he also played a deciding hand in Haitian Independence in 1804.

… and the Louisiana Purchase by America is also directly attributable to the impact he had on French aspirations outside of Europe.

… and how do you think we are able to read the hieroglyphics which opened the world’s eyes to the wonders of early Egyptian civilizations? (Rosetta Stone) Nelson’s impact on world history is far larger that Trafalgar. That was bare icing!! His place was secure long before he died. I just went on the ancestry.com website to look at some of the slaves called after Nelson in 1834.

Here are some examples:

Beck Ann Nelson, Ben Nelson, Betty Easter Nelson, Betty Nelson,Black Nelson, Bob Nelson, Bob Nelson, Bob Nelson, Casar Nelson, Casar Nelson, Daniel Nelson, Debby Nelson, Edward Nelson, Frances Louisa Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, George Nelson, Hesther Nelson, Horatia Nelson, Horatio Nelson, Horatio Nelson, Ino Ewd Nelson, James E Nelson, James Nelson, James Nelson, James Nelson, Jim Nelson, Joe Nelson, Joe Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, John Nelson, Joseph Nelson, Kitty Nelson, Lord Nelson, M Nelson, Mary Nelson

Why do you think the Horatio Cooke Auditorium in Belmont Road has in the name Horatio? Wonder how the deejay Admiral Nelson got his name? It is a simple fact that Horatio and Nelson were used as christian names from 1798 onward all over the world. Some families actually used those two names over several generations!!

This is not a phenomena limited only to one race or country. It is found throughout the world. Go to familysearch.org and choose a surname and put in horatio as a christian name. Chances are you will get several hits from around the world.

People make the mistake of thinking that Nelson is simply Trafalgar and actually believe that the statue only commemorates the Battle of Trafalgar. The statue is a memorial to a remarkable man and every Bajan living at the time had a hand in its erection.

Go and actually read what it says on the statue and stop listening to people who do not read!! Read, and start thinking for yourself. When you do, think for a moment about why August 1st could have been chosen as emancipation day!!

You will find a compelling reason on the statue!!

Did you know also that there is a “Nelson” Island off the coast of Africa in Aboukir Bay, and why do you think we have a Trafalgar Street, … and a Nile street!! This guy was a superstar in his day!! Only someone who does not read would miss the significance of his life and achievements on world history.

251 responses to “Lord Nelson Statue Stands Like A Colossus In Heroes Square”


  1. I find it funny that we moved Garry Sobers’ statue to another location (albeit a more relevant location) and there wasn’t as much as a whimper from the public.
    Gary Sobers, who is a living national hero!
    I cant figure out for the life of me why the hue and cry about Nelson’s statue that has no relevance to our history neither then nor now!
    Shupes!


  2. You can put my mother or grandmother there or bette yet you can put the lady who raised nine or ten children by herself John


  3. Anonymous // November 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    I find it funny that we moved Garry Sobers’ statue to another location (albeit a more relevant location) and there wasn’t as much as a whimper from the public.
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    … perhaps it has something to do with the fact that the public didn’t put it there , the GOB did ….

    …. not to mention of course that it isn’t a memorial …..

    …… Sir Garry is actually still alive!!

    See what I mean Anonymous, you are doing all my work!!

    I could almost keep quiet.


  4. John,
    You have me a bit lost now.

    Where do you draw your conclusions about the purpose of erecting statues?

    As far as Bush Tea is concerned, the purpose of erecting a statue is to highlight the VALUES that a society wishes to engender in its citizens.

    By highlighting someone -typically a citizen, who has exemplified those values, the intent is to create in citizens a respect and admiration for its ideals.

    Therefore, – Great leadership is memorialised, Bravery in defence of the nation is too, as is sacrifice, brilliance, ingenuity, great sportsmanship etc…

    Assuming that you agree in principle, we can all see why Nelson is there.

    Because the people who mattered at that time wanted to memorialise his great defence of their way of life, and his fearless defence of the British Empire.

    Fine!

    Now we have a Barbados which is a bit different (although admittedly not as different as many would wish) where the typical citizen no longer owns slaves, does NOT live in plantation houses, and do NOT see themselves as being ‘of the British Empire’.

    What do you think would be the kind of ideals that would inspire such a country? When a 10 year-old walks up Broad Street and see this statue how should it inspire him? – to go out and attack the enemies of the empire?

    …Can you see why we are a confused people? can you see why “We are gutless, rudderless and completely lacking in any conviction.”

    Can you see why Asiba can’t get his songs played ’bout here? (even if they were sweet LOL)

    Tell us exactly what VALUES Nelson inspires to Barbados of 2008- that warrants his remaining in place?

    Now my Wynter Crawford is another story.
    When I read his life story I felt that I could do ANYTHING that I wanted to do….. AND I HAVE done exactly that so far.
    That man was ‘badder’ than EWB. I feel he was the Bush tea of his time LOL.

    Crawford’s statue would engender a feeling among 90% of the population that WE ARE SOMEBODY TOO and that we can make a difference.

    With respect to SIR Garry, I would suggest that you stop talking about him.

    It is through his living inspiration that many of us have gone on with the confidence to make marks on the world stage. Just the fact that Bush Tea comes from the same country as Sir Garry has brought INSTANT respect and admiration in places like Australia, England and India. Have you any idea how many people from all levels of society have been INSPIRED by this man’s humble GREATNESS? Do you understand the RESPECT that he has brought to Barbados?

    Nelson should be placed kneeling at the foot of Sir Garry….


  5. bushtea // November 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

    John,
    You have me a bit lost now.

    Where do you draw your conclusions about the purpose of erecting statues?

    As far as Bush Tea is concerned, the purpose of erecting a statue is to highlight the VALUES that a society wishes to engender in its citizens.
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    …. two different processes, erecting a memorial ….. and erecting a statue!!


  6. Anonymous // November 22, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    You can put my mother or grandmother there or bette yet you can put the lady who raised nine or ten children by herself John

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    The eight or nine children are living memorials to if they are worthy, testify to her worth. She doesn’t need a statue.

    …. like you, if you are a “loyal daughter or son”, you too are a living memorial to your mother and grandmother.

    They don’t need statues.


  7. BT

    Why have you omitted to mention Samuel Jackman Prescod or Sarah Ann Gill?

    Why do you mention Wynter Crawford instead?

    Perhaps Wynter Crawford you knew and he is in your memory, Samuel Jackman Prescod and Sarah Ann Gill are not.

    This is another way of recognising the difference between erecting a memorial and a erecting a statue.

    What the GOB has done was to select a committee to choose some names the Committee felt were worthy of the title National Hero, formally name them National Heroes and then erect some statues or busts.

    You can bet that like the choice of Greenland, the Committee was instructed what to do!! That is probably why your Wynter Crawford was not selected.

    What the people of the day did spontaneously, (as opposed to the Government through the appointment of a committee), was to erect a memorial to a man who they obviously felt was worthy of remembering.

    … and by naming their children after Horatio Nelson, Barbadians of the day and for generations afterwards, also created living memorials to the man.

    Tell me one of our National Heroes who had this sort of following!!

    The memorial to Nelson happens to be a statue, but what if it was similar to the memorials at the Garrison, one in front of the Museum, for the dead of a regiment the other at the top of Bush Hill …..

    …. or the one in all Saints Church for the dead of the accident in Lancaster Gully.

    … or for that matter … the one up Durants for the dead of the 1937 Riots.

    Have you found this one yet?

    Not many people seem to know of its existence.

    Perhaps the dead of the 1937 Riots are not worthy of remembrance.

    Don’t let the statue of Nelson confuse you!!

    It is a memorial put there by Barbadians, your ancestors and mine and Anonymous’s and many others, …. and for all the other noble reasons you mention.


  8. BT

    The book you read about Wynter Crawford is also a memorial.

    In fact, it is a more powerful memorial than any statue could ever be.

    No statue can inspire like words.


  9. @John,

    Actually the more you go on about ‘the people of the day’ deciding to ‘put up this’ and ‘put up that’ the more I feel that the nelson thing should be thrown into the sea.

    Who exactly are these ‘people of the day’? what did they stand for? why are you so keen to impose their values on 2008 Barbados?

    You beginning to sound like ru4real.

    You mean that you don’t see the difference between some plaque in Durants or at the top of Bush Hill (probably well placed) and a big monstrosity dominating Broad Street?
    You think anyone would care if nelson was in nelson street? (now THERE is an idea….)

    …and how does your ‘Barbadians of the day’ get to be more legit that our elected government (what ever you think of their competence) ? …what were they? more cultured? ..or just more to your liking?

    If you did not get the point about Wynter Crawford forgive me. I said it was a personal choice because of VALUES that I hold dear. Values of National Pride, self pride as an ordinary black Bajan, (and of course a Cawmere boy too) and most importantly, his ‘can do’ attitude in the face of blatant racism and bigotry.

    I don’t know about yours, but if my ancestors were anything like me, they would not care one pang about any memorial for nelson….


  10. BT

    Have you any idea how many people from all levels of society have been INSPIRED by this man’s humble GREATNESS? Do you understand the RESPECT that he has brought to Barbados?
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    Perfectly, and if you picked 100 Bajans at random they would too.

    Garry Sobers is a legend.

    I think he transcends the whole political exercise of selection of National Heroes.

    If you took the same 100 people and asked them about EWB, 50 would love him and 50 would hate him.

    That is the nature of politics.

    I keep saying that the process of National Heroes Selection was an exercise in politics because I believe it was.

    Garry Sobers and the dead in whose memories the memorials in Bridgetown were erected are apolitical.

    That is also why I say that all four memorials should be removed, not just the memorial to Nelson.

    They do not belong in National Heroes Square.

    For me, the alternative to moving all is to put National Heroes Square somewhere else.


  11. John

    It is my conclusion that you are quite simply writing arrant nonsense.

    You want to keep nelson, I don’t. You think he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I know that he was an agent of a long gone british empire that did not have the welfare of people like me at heart.

    For me it’s an ugly thing, recalling an ugly past and an ugly society. However, let’s remember that the statue is a thing, a man made object, not (as it is for you) an icon for religious veneration.


  12. nelson must come down
    he must come down
    down to the ground
    nelson must come down


  13. Anonymous // November 22, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    John

    It is my conclusion that you are quite simply writing arrant nonsense.

    You want to keep nelson, I don’t. You think he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, I know that he was an agent of a long gone british empire that did not have the welfare of people like me at heart.

    For me it’s an ugly thing, recalling an ugly past and an ugly society. However, let’s remember that the statue is a thing, a man made object, not (as it is for you) an icon for religious veneration.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    … what are you saying about your own ancestors?

    They are only ugly if that is what you want them to be.

    A person like you did not exist at the time, just the people who are responsible for the making of you.

    Quite certainly, none of them thought of themselves as ugly.

    I am just showing the logic that follows from respecting OUR ancestors and basing my logic on facts of history that I have been able to unearth.

    Perhaps you should try to base your position more on fact than feeling.

    It is a liberating experience.

    … and I agree the statue is a man made thing, 100%, just as the Cenotaph and the Fountain.


  14. @John

    The point which you seem to be missing is that all the logic and justification of THAT time cannot overrule the logic and justification of THIS time.


  15. @Nutmeg
    A very good and reasoned post.
    I doubt if Nelson endorsed slavery any more than any other man of his era.
    Remember his was a time when children where forced to labour down mines and sailors often children themselves lived brutal lives.
    Nelson was only 12 years old when he joined the Navy and worked up through the ranks despite his very real health problems and frail statute.
    The man is a Hero but I think he should be moved . A fume laden corner of a traffic filled city is no place for him.
    I would move him somewhere he could look out on the sea that he loved.


  16. Pull the statue down and put a Bajan born and bred hero in it’s place. Why not put one of Rihanna in it’s place, let’s move forward with what’s happening in Barbados in the 21st century not some ancient relic of the faded rule the world days of the English.
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    And make yourselves the laughing stocks of the world.


  17. Unlike the Marxists (and John) history is just the story of the past. My ancestors are dead and their stories are only as important to me as I chose to make them. I am alive now and “now” is is all that can matter to me. I can’t change what I did yesterday, or even what is happening today. It is only “tomorrow” that I have any chance of influencing.

    John, you may think that you are based on fact and not feeling but the opposite is actually true. You are actually into superstition and object veneration. Hocus pocus at your age,?!

    Nelson’s statue is a thing, it really does not matter to me except that for people like you ( and there are many others) with whom I share this beautiful island, this object is worshipped and appears to be integral to maintaining a mindset that retards problem solving and progress.

    …and yes the centotaph, the fountain and the statue of Barrow should be moved if it is shown to be in the interest of Barbadians alive at that time. In fact if they want to move them because they are tired of them that’s fine too!


  18. @ru4real,

    “And make yourselves the laughing stocks of the world”
    ***************************************
    We did that by signing a MOU with 3S. A company with 5 employees in the USA who never did a serious job before….


  19. Correction: Unlike the Marxists (and John), FOR ME, history is just the story of the past.


  20. But if the people still allow themselves to maintain a mindset that retards progress, are u saying that that is Nelson’s fault? What do you mean, David, about this time and that time? Are we to disrespect the past because we somehow think our era is the most enlightened? What if a future generation think that cricket was a silly pastime and pull down Sir Gary?


  21. @Juris

    The current generation cannot be held responsible for what a future generation might think. We can only take decisions now based on our assessment of NOW.


  22. Anonymous // November 22, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    John

    For me it’s an ugly thing, recalling an ugly past and an ugly society.
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    I am going to really radical here.

    I don’t think we had an ugly past.

    I don’t think we ever had an ugly society, and ugly ancestors.

    Even today, with all its faults, society is not ugly.

    If the core of your problem is that you feel your ancestors were part of an ugly, and by extension ugly, it really does not matter what is done with Nelson, you will still have a problem.

    Books are memorials, even the Internet. Just as I have gone and sought out facts on the Internet and in books and put forward a different (I think more correct) way of looking at the statue of Nelson what happens when your child does the same, gets the same facts and raises the same arguments I am raising based on the facts in the memorials.

    It isn’t going to matter a jot what happened to one of the memorials, the statue, raised to Nelson. History is History and facts are facts.

    It is not the little green man at the top of Broad Street that is the problem. The problem rests inside and only you can solve it.

    Go and do some reading.


  23. Anonymous // November 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Correction: Unlike the Marxists (and John), FOR ME, history is just the story of the past.
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    Silly me, and here I was thinking that ancestors were important also in African culture.

    Guess I will have to review that culture now.


  24. John // November 23, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Anonymous // November 23, 2008 at 10:03 am

    Correction: Unlike the Marxists (and John), …..
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    I checked.

    Please in future add Africans to your list.

    The list should read “Marxists (and John and Africans)”

    I suspect if you look you may find the whole of humanity will need to be added.


  25. Dear John:

    You wrote “I don’t think we had an ugly past.”

    But we DID have an auglu past. Slavery is ugly John.

    How can you call, the physical, economic, social and sexual exploitation that was (and is in some eplaces still) part of slavery anything but UGLY?

    You are generally fairly sensible on this blog. But you lost it there John man. There is no need to defend the indefensible.


  26. David, I don’t understand what you are saying. Only make an assessment of NOW? So why such a furore over the destruction of slave huts? Why talk about our slave past? And what threat does Nelson pose NOW?


  27. Let’s not focus on ancestors yet. I’ve got some living family members that I try to get as far from as possible. You would understand that John…I know! My ancestors are dead and mostly forgotten. Some Africans TODAY are abusing children by accusing them of witchcraft. Some are abusing albinos for the same reason! Should I hold these ideas in high regard because some Africans believe this to be so!? By the way some Europeans believe in witchcraft too. The moral is that all races are capable of stupidness.

    I am not into ancestor worship. John needs to exorcise his mind of such things.

    There is only one responsibility that I have other than to live in peace and usefullness to other living human beings and that is to raise my children to be useful and happy adults able to take on their responsibilties. teaching them veneration of dead people would be an insidious form of child abuse.

    @Juris, it isn’t nelson’s fault that there are people today who are not solution driven. Nelson is dead, he doesn’t exist anymore, he can’t do a thing. It is the superstitious beliefs of such people that characterise their thinking. Objects such as statues, religious icons even buildings are for them tangible “evidence” that buttress their irrational thinking. It is my submission that by removing these objects their mental health may be improved.

    Most of the world thinks that cricket is a silly sport (I don’t) but if a time comes that most Barbadians think so and that the achievements of the R.E. Sir Garfield Sobers is no longer relevant then down the statue comes! I won’t care because by then I’ll be dust to dust !


  28. Juris
    I couldn’t give a r@$ho&! about slave huts. I don’t want to live in one and I would not want anybody to live in one either. However if you want to live in a slave hut, I would support your efforts to either purchase one or build one on your own land (just not next to my house which would lower my property value!)

    Nelson cannot pose a threat. It is people like John and the couple-in-exile that genuflect to statues and promote the idea that slavery was a good thing that possibly pose the threat.


  29. Good question Juris.

    Maybe the same reason that we want to preserve the slave huts is the same reason the same people find the erection of the nelson statue in Heroes Square most upsetting.

    We are at a time in our history where the internationalization of Barbados has given interest to the accelerated need to indulge in nation building exercises.


  30. Nelson was a Freemason:
    http://www.mqmagazine.co.uk/issue-15/p-07.php

    http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/racism.html

    Freemasons very powerful in Bim.


  31. MQ Magazine:
    ” On 16 December 1805, the Master of the Union Lodge at York (now York Lodge No. 236) proposed that a public procession be held on the day of Nelson’s funeral to commemorate “a departed Brother and National Hero.”
    For the procession, a banner was prepared, decorated with the Bible, square and compasses, the sun, moon and stars and the inscription “England Expects Every Man to do His Duty. In Memory of Horatio Viscount Nelson who fell in the Moment of Victory off Cape Trafalgar Oct. 21st 1805. We rejoice with our Country But Mourn for Our Brother.”
    The second item is amongst the treasures of the Lodge of Friendship No. 100 at Yarmouth. It is a block of white marble about the size of a house brick. One of the long sides is engraved:
    In memory of Bror. Ld. Vt. Nelson of the Nile & of Burnham Thorpe in Norfolk, who lost his life in the arms of Victory in an engagement with ye combined Fleets of France and Spain of (sic) Cape Trafalgar Octr. 21 1805. Proposed by Bro. John Cutlove. “


  32. @ BUSH TEA
    I am more and more convinced that you are a government employee who chose to sabotage a government project to the detriment of the Barbadian people.

    Everytime you open your mouth lies and foolishness spew forth.


  33. J // November 23, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Dear John:

    You wrote “I don’t think we had an ugly past.”

    But we DID have an auglu past. Slavery is ugly John.

    How can you call, the physical, economic, social and sexual exploitation that was (and is in some eplaces still) part of slavery anything but UGLY?

    You are generally fairly sensible on this blog. But you lost it there John man. There is no need to defend the indefensible
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    Everything you describe exists today in this world.

    Its a part of life.

    … but where there is life there is hope and hope is not ugly.

    I see the hope, you see the ugly …. and I am not looking through my blind eye.


  34. Anonymous

    Toussaint was a Free Mason too!! … and a Catholic, and a slave owner …

    http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Toussaint-Louverture/Madison-Smartt-Bell/e/9780375423376


  35. @John
    This sounds an interesting book I must get it.

    What in your opinion is the reason for such blind hatred of history on this blog?

    Slavery was indeed a terrible thing but it is over now and throwing any amount of statues into the sea won’t make it not happen.

    Nelson was a great man of his time and only the ignorant can say otherwise.
    He embodied courage , fortitude and endurance. He was a leader of men.
    A hero in anyone book.


  36. @ ru4real

    *************************************
    @ BUSH TEA
    I am more and more convinced that you are a government employee who chose to sabotage a government project to the detriment of the Barbadian people.

    Everytime you open your mouth lies and foolishness spew forth.
    *************************************
    Who cares what you are convinced of ru4real? Based on you powers of logic so far on this blog I would suggest maybe 3-4 persons at most.

    Your above conclusion is about as correct and as logical as every thing else you have said on this blog…

    Were they not

  37. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    Lies and foolishness ru4real? ROFL

    When asked a few days ago (in connection with road widening) about the number of flyovers proposed, you replied that you believed it was five.

    For someone with as much knowledge as you obviously have about the project, are we supposed to believe that you didn’t know that eight were proposed from the outset? Or are you spewing lies and foolishness youself?

    Maybe you were not being dishonest, and you are genuinely ignorant of the original proposal and process followed… this would explain why you are so eager to defend what most Barbadians consider indefensible… i.e. the award of a multi-million dollar project (1) without a PRIOR feasibility study by an INDEPENDENT consultant, (2) without a due-diligence check on the consultant/contractor, (3) on the basis of a memorandum-of-understanding, (4) to a firm without a single registered engineer among its five employees, (5) without going through a tendering process etc. etc.

    Any rational person could only come to two conclusion about you ru4real… you are either dishonest and unethical OR you are ignorant about how this project was actually conceptualised and developed.


  38. Bush Tea
    Why not try opening your mind and shutting your mouth – both are empty anyway.
    Go kick a stature or something.


  39. Micro Mind Engineer

    In case you haven’t noticed this is a thread about Nelson .
    I shall therefore answer your post on the correct topic forum.
    Not to cause additional annoyance to persons commenting here.
    They have quite enough foolishness to put up with.


  40. ru4real

    So was Ceasar and Churchill and Hitler and Napolean, Che Guvara, Castro, Sidney Burnett-Alleyne.

    Nelson is merely a convenient colonial icon and should have gone the day we shed those colonial feathers. Nothing special about him. He did it for England when we were owned by England. Why are we keeping Nelson? Because we are still of colonial mentality.


  41. No, having a colonial mentality is not the same as preserving ones heritage.
    That Barbados was a colony is also history.
    Please note also that all ex British colonies have done well and are considered more advanced that those colonised by ie Spain .
    Britain was the first to outlaw the slave trade long before the Americas or the other islands.
    Its all so trivial anyway.
    Cant believe folks are getting agitated about some old stature . If you want it moved move it.
    It will make a point of interest in front of the museum or anyhere along the seafront.
    Stuff Rihana on a plinth instead , 20 years hence she will be a has been and the next generation will groan and want to move her elsewhere.

  42. Micro Mock Engineer Avatar
    Micro Mock Engineer

    “If people are shaped by the view that they are made into history by some chosen few who are the real makers of history, you stabilize the relation of the dominant and dominated… if we could but succeed in planting in people, not only the idea but the fact, in their consciousness, that they are the makers of history, then you alter the relationship between them and those who hold them in their hands.” – George Lamming


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  44. why not let the people push his statue down so i can film it.
    the British tourist will love it.
    then all your British tourist gone.
    and Barbados will fall and the truth about blacks being racist against whites in Barbados will be revealed to the whole world.the truth at last.

  45. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ harry | July 18, 2012 at 7:45 AM |

    Man harry, why don’t you ease up a bit on these naive black people?
    They are like little children who look up to white people and see them as gods and angels. These poor brainwashed souls are as innocuous as a fly around a cow’s south end.
    A total demolition job as been done on their psyche by their white masters through religious indoctrination, sexual exploitation and cultural denuding and a reincarnation into “black white” people.

    As you implied, one only has to look at the pride the blacks take in referring to their ancestral family names from Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England.

    I beg of you, ease off! They are but little children knowing no better- thanks to the mythology surrounding that figure portrayed at the top of page 24 in today’s (17/07/2012) edition of the Barbados Today online newspaper. A god like figure portrayed in your image. Until the stupid blacks focus on the image at the Bottom Right of the same page instead of the European god subliminal image they will always remain in total darkness and not knowing of the source of their much self-maligned skin colour and real identity as a people.

  46. old onion bags Avatar
    old onion bags

    OH Laud Miller…..ya gine kill hee…..lol
    I cud picture harry seeing red …. gine fa D shotgun n buck shod fur U impetuous native


  47. The only reason people in Barbados kick up a fuss about Lord Nelson and want him gone is because he was a white man!! We have come to be a hateful people in Barbados that hate anything related to white people. That is not how God wants us to live!! As a Chistian society we should act better than that. Our British history is important because it makes us who we are today! Most of Barbadians that call themselves black have British/white in their ancestory as well. We need to embrace all of our heritage and leave the historical sites like Lord Nelson just where they are!! Barbadians need to stop this hate of white people; it is not healthy!! Not all white people were bad years ago or are they bad now. Many of you talk like this country Barbados only belongs to the blacks now and that everything should be all about black people. What about the good white Barbadian people that live here now? They are just as much Barbadians!! Most of them are very nice and kind people. Some black people in Barbados are too hung up on slavery and living in the past. Yes we can recognize our history but we don’t need to dwell on it, hate people and hold grudges; even as far as hating a statue that was important to Barbadians that lived here long ago. Let go of the hate and leave Lord Nelson in Trafalgar Square in Bridgetown!!


  48. Nelson’s is the greatest hero that sailed the 7 seas. The blacks have their hero’s let the whites have theirs. If you take down Nelson then you would have to take down all others or they would be taken down by future generations. He is the by far England’s greatest national hero and we are a part of the British Commonwealth. Take him down you destroy tourism by showing the world your racism.


  49. Lord Nelson’s Statue…

    I fear I have come in 8 years too late to join the discussions! I only found out about it by surfing the web today 17 January 2015.

    Can I make one historical fact clear – Nelson was in Barbados for only one day. Yes, one day! And lo behold, he got a statue!

    I fail to understand why you all Bajans are in the dark about the one white man, a deaf man, who fought hard against the white-dominated House of Assembly to turn the killing of any slave into a felony? He stood his ground and in the end created a law that is punishable by death to prevent any white plantation owner and their ruffian employees from treating black slaves as property and killing them at their whim.

    Surely this deaf man, Francis Humberston Mackenzie, properly titled Lord Seaforth, deserves his place in the history and folklore of Barbados rather than Horatio Nelson, whose contribution to Barbados itself was NIL.

    Do think about it… Seaforth’s contribution to the people of Barbados labouring under slavery during his time as Governor of Barbados was immense. It was his contribution by sending reports on cruelty to slaves to Britain that led to parliamentary debates and the abolition of the slave trade in 1807, the first step that set the ball rolling to full freedom in the years to come.

    There should be a statue of Lord Seaforth in Heroes Square along with the great Bajans and the statue of Nelson banished.

    Raymond Lee
    Feltham
    England


  50. Stated with all sarcasm. Should Barbadians hid from their history?

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