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The findings of the Minimum Wage Board should really put the specific amount of 8.50/hr min wage in its true perspective. The fact that it is even below their 10/hr recommendation and even below the 12/hr (inflation adjusted) “living wage” just convinces me more that the $8.50 should be implemented sooner rather than later. I may be a little sensitive to timing (in that i would have considered an additional 3-6 months after April 1st) but I don’t support it delayed until Jan 2022 (as Edward Clarke was suggesting). THAT would be taking a joke too far.

My reasoning supporting the specific increase is as follows:-

  1. Govt is looking for ways to stimulate the economy post lockdowns, post COVID-19 pandemic. To put it simply, businesses can only survive if there is spending in the economy. The consumer plays just as important a role in the economy as the supplier. Min wage workers constitutes a small part of consumers. In a sense govt is trying to increase their participation in the economy by increasing their ability to spend.
  2. Inflation raises OTHER COSTS of doing business, wages can be lumped into those costs. It is a cyclic effect. Businesses usually respond to inflation by raising their prices, labour responds by requesting wage increases to deal with increased prices, wages subsequently increase. For most economies once wage rates closely matches inflation rates there is no adverse effect to the economy or to individual businesses as profit margins are maintained. Only those businesses that have employees working below 8.50/hr would be directly affected in the short term. The private sector is giving the perception that it would be a large shock to the “cost of doing business”. The point here is that we are dealing with NARROW BAND of the minimum wage and not all wages. The 8.50\ hr rate is below the inflation adjusted amount, it still suits businesses more than the worker, but is probably considered due to the economic effects of COVID-19.
  3. The 75% ($1.50) increase in bus fare in 2019 was REASON ENOUGH to raise the minimum wage. It is a cost that those earning minimum wage mostly pays and CANNOT reasonably avoid paying with a cheaper alternative. Pre 2019, bus fare for the purpose of GETTING TO & FROM WORK ONLY was $2 x 2 x 5 = $20 (2 bus daily for 5 days work week) or $40 (4 buses daily). Post 2019 it is 3.5 x 2 x 5 = $35 (2 buses) or $70 (4 buses). That is a max $30 increase in bus fare out of a min wage of $6.50 x 40 hrs = $260 that hasn’t changed since 2012. The point here is that the increase in min. wage is 2 years OVERDUE.
  4. It has been 9 years since the last increase in minimum wage. The party in power addressed the minimum wage as a “manifesto promise” in 2018. This govt announced as recently as Dec 2020 that the minimum wage would be “addressed” by April 1, 2021. The point here is that this should constitute reasonable notice and reasonable expectation that a min wage raise was coming in the near term. The private sector probably dismissed it as “politicking”.
  5. Businesses would have benefited from the reduction in corporate tax rates in 2019/2020. This would have given them more “financial space” to handle increased costs and “erosion” in profits. The point here is that this financial space wasn’t even needed if the normal inflation- price- profit relationship was maintained.

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106 responses to “Increase in National Minimum Wage, after 9 Years”

  1. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ Hants

    Bajans in the Diaspora sent home more than 376 million dollars last year up to October.( page 4 of Barbados Today )..”

    Really now. You really mean they sent home more than one million a day ?
    Good grief, who would have thought ……
    But, after the show is over……,

  2. William Skinner Avatar
    William Skinner

    @ David
    “ @Hants

    As you know this is how many families on the island are able to have a reasonable living. The barrels for example. It is a pity the barrel trade is being seen as a revenue opportunity by the Port Authority.”

    There is nothing quite like reality.
    But, after the show is over…….,


  3. Not at this time!
    Minimum wage hike sure to cost jobs, says CTUSAB
    by COLVILLE MOUNSEY
    colvillemounsey @nationnews.com
    GOVERNMENT DOES NOT have the unanimous support of the labour movement for the timing of the just implemented $8.50 national minimum wage.
    Yesterday, general secretary of the Congress of Trade Unions and Staff Associations of Barbados (CTUSAB), Dennis De Peiza, told the DAILY NATION the umbrella labour advocacy body had joined with the private sector in officially objecting to the April 1 implementation date.
    He contended that the move, at the height of economic depression brought on by the COVID-19 pandemic, was sure to result in job losses and increases in the cost of living. “We support the idea of a minimum wage because we want to empower our workers to ensure that they have a liveable wage. However, we have maintained that the timing of the introduction remains inappropriate.
    “From what we can see, and it is clear as day, there are going to be significant implications for job retention, as we are already hearing through the private sector,” he lamented.
    Submission
    “CTUSAB has made this position very clear to the commission that was in place to establish the national minimum wage, and then we made a very strong submission to the Ministry of Labour outlining our concerns. The Government is actioning items at a phenomenal pace, and this appears to be nothing more than another one of those items.”
    This position is a clear departure from the Barbados Workers’ Union, the largest of the few labour unions not under the wing of CTUSAB. General secretary Toni Moore said that not only did they support the implementation time, but the rate should have been higher.
    However, De Peiza warned that far from empowering low-income earners, the move was more likely to result in a suppression of the appetite for hiring at a time when unemployment numbers were already high. This, in conjunction with a predicted rise in the cost of living, would result in some pain during the short to medium term, he added.
    “We are seeing that the cost of living is already spiralling, and it will continue to go up, That is going to put further hardship and pressure on all persons. I believe that the entire country is going to go under some pressure, including the social welfare system, because there is going to be very little hiring at this time,” he argued.
    Detriment
    “We are not trying to be pessimistic, but Government needs to look at this entire thing holistically. People need to have a liveable wage, as we must seek to elevate persons out of poverty, but if the climate is not conducive at this time, to whose detriment are we pushing this agenda? Is it for the national good or for sectoral or other interest? These are questions we must ask ourselves as there are some stark realities that we must address.”
    De Peiza said the suggestion in some quarters that the small businesses would weather the 36 per cent hike in wages was almost laughable in the current economic climate. “That to me is one of the most ludicrous things I’ve ever heard. We have a situation where for small, medium, and even large enterprises, the current economic climate is not kind to them, and I do not anticipate that many of them would be able to absorb the increase in the short term. Therefore, we anticipate that there would be the fallout of job losses.
    “That is our major concern because we prefer to see people at work during these difficult times than on the breadline.”

    Source: Nation


  4. our towns mushroom company that produced 200000 pounds a week week shut down after 40 years mold, lost millions trying to get rid of it.

  5. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    “Congress of Trade Unions and Staff Associations of Barbados (CTUSAB), Dennis De Peiza,”

    always selling out..

  6. Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV Avatar
    Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    Dennis Depeiza’s position is one not well thought out and frankly a DISGRACE as a president of a Congress of TRADE UNONS and STAFF ASSOCIATIONS. The private sector is using the pandemic “smoke screen” as a means to FURTHER DELAY a raise in a cost that did not really match inflation especially when the DLP formed the government between 2008-2018. They are using simplistic argument of increased minimum wage- increase costs- increase prices when they have ALREADY USED INFLATION AS A BASIS TO RAISE PRICES since 2012. The fact is that the $6.50\ hr amount is woefully INADEQUATE as a MINIMUM WAGE even before the pandemic set in March 2020, and even in May 2018 when the BLP assumed power.

    For the Barbados economy, minimum wages offset the overwhelming power of businesses (as the purchasers of labour) to be able to set the price of labour (wages). That price will almost invariably be below the “living wage”. Min. wage in Barbados is always a “compromise” set at the level above what purchasers want it to be and below what suppliers( workers) want it to be set at.

    To those relevant businesses, they would have “gotten away” by legally paying a wage AT or JUST ABOVE the legally set $6.50/hr when they were “making money” by closely matching prices with inflation’s effect on other costs since 2012. The DLP froze public sector wages for most of the 10 years in power, the private sector follow suit. Businesses would have been HAPPY that there was LESS PRESSURE to raise wages during that time. Within the 10 years, we have seen an increase in taxes and the imposition of the NSRL. The NSRL has since been repealed, businesses did not immediately respond with reduced prices. The BLP raised bus fares in April 2019. to which most people accept was overdue. In short workers were savaged ESPECIALLY those working at the MINIMUM WAGE LEVEL since 2012!!!!!!

    It is as Minster Colin Jordan stated, it is never the wrong time to do the right thing. THE RIGHT THING HAS TO BE DONE FOR THE MINIMUM WAGE EARNER IN BARBADOS!!!!!!!

  7. Vincent Codrington Avatar
    Vincent Codrington

    The time determines what is right. The right thing done at the wrong time is wrong. We have to focus on the effect on the vulnerable who we claim we want to help.


  8. @Vinny,
    Your phrase has sent me down a strange lane.
    Can “the wrong thing done at the right time be right”?
    Is there ever a right time to do the wrong thing.
    The Good Lord said “be fruitful and multiply”
    I guess premarital sex is an example of doing the right thing at the wrong time.
    You have sent me down a strange path. Hopefully, I can find my way back.


  9. Yo
    This blog get boring or what?
    Nuff ” diaper changers” for the Queen Bee.
    Allright denn.
    It is what it is.

  10. Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV Avatar
    Disgusting Lies & Propaganda TV

    @Vincent or conversely is it right to continually allow the wrong thing to be maintained as far as the min wage earner is concerned. I’m talking about 6.25/ hr IN RELATION to $8.50, to $10.00 to $12. As long a the min wage stays low (at the 2012 rate) it suited businesses FAR more than the worker (consumer) in 2021. This was what was happening especially in the security sector where guards had to work ridiculous hours to get decent pay (which was barely above the $6.25\hr rate). This was the main issue behind the G4S dispute in Dec 2020 and “spilled over” to the general min wage being addressed.

    As to timing i did state that 3 – 6 months after April would be my preference, with the reasonable assumption that the world would be (slowing) coming out from the pandemic and no more month long lockdowns be used to “impact” businesses in Barbados.


  11. National minimum wage a great step
    With effect from April 1, 2021, Barbados now has for the first time, a national minimum wage that applies to all sectors and a separate minimum wage that applies to security guards.
    The previous rate of $6.25 per hour was only applicable to shop assistants, though it was widely adopted by various businesses as the benchmark for wage payments. However, by virtue of the new Minimum Wage Order, the national minimum wage for all sectors except security guards is $8.50 per hour (or part thereof) whereas the minimum wage for security guards is $9.25 per hour (or part thereof).
    The Minimum Wage Order (“the Order”) has also established a minimum rate for overtime work for all sectors at the rate of $12.75 per hour (or part thereof) for ordinary working days and $17 per hour (or part thereof) for Public Holidays.
    However, for security guards the minimum rate for overtime work for ordinary days is $13.88 per hour (or part thereof) and $18.50 per hour (or part thereof) for public holidays.
    This is a momentous step by this administration who advised late last year that a national minimum wage would come into effect from April 1, 2021. Despite pressure from the private sector to delay the implementation of the minimum wage, the Government held firm and true to their word, passed the Minimum Wage Order as promised.
    Phased approach
    I agree with Minister of Labour Colin Jordan that there would never be a good time to implement the national minimum wage. However, I do believe a phased approach may have allowed a better balance of the interests of both employers and employees given the particular difficulties caused by the pandemic.
    For example, when the Employment ( Sexual Harassment Prevention) Act 2017 was passed, employers were required to implement a policy against sexual harassment within six months of the Act. A six-month timeframe was allowed for the creation of a policy against discrimination under the Employment (Prevention Against Discrimination) Act 2020.
    Failure to do so could attract a fine or imprisonment.
    It is, therefore, not uncommon for labour legislation to allow employers a brief period within which to fulfil new obligations created by the enactment.
    In the same spirit, it may have been useful to allow employers to commence the payment of the new minimum wage and overtime wages within three months after the Order came into effect. However, I believe the delay of 12 months which was suggested by the chairman of the Barbados Private Sector Association, Mr Edward Clarke, was excessive and too much in favour of employers.
    Employers should become familiar with the provisions of the Minimum Wage Act 2017-4 (“the Act”) as it has important provisions that apply to the newly passed Order. For instance, Section 10 of the Act requires employers to inform employees whose remuneration will be affected by the Order that a Minimum Wage Order was made. The employer must also affix a copy of the Order where it will be easily seen by the employee and may also send electronic copies of the order to its employees.
    Additionally, section 8 (2) of the Act provides that where an employer pays an employee (a) an incentive based payment or commission, (b) a monetary allowance, (c) a payment for overtime or any other additional sums, these payments shall not be discontinued, but shall be continued to be paid in addition to the minimum wage, once the contract of employment provides that these sums are payable for specific duties performed by the employee.
    Finally, by virtue of section 14, an employer who fails to pay an employee the minimum wage or minimum overtime rate or who, contrary to section 8(2), reduces or adjusts overtime rates or additional sums usually paid to the employee by contract or custom (due to the requirement to pay a minimum wage) is liable on summary conviction to a fine of $10 000 or imprisonment for two years or both.
    Michelle M. Russell is an attorney at law with a passion for employment law and labour matters and a budding social activist. Email: mrussell.ja@gmail.com

    Source: Nation


  12. A great step oonly forpolitical yardfowls whose bread is buttered on both sides
    Not for the poor and vulnerable who have been exploited for years and now being treated with an extra 2.25 bds in their pocket which they must grin and bear trying to buy goods in a highly inflated cost of living market and pay for other household commitments
    to other household


  13. A blessed morning to all.
    @ac
    It seems as if you have taken both sides of the discussion.
    At times you seem to oppose the increase and at other times you want a larger increase
    Can you suggest a number that would remove your concerns.
    HAGD


  14. Theo remind me what are both sides


  15. angela cox April 4, 2021 7:00 AM #: “Not for the poor and vulnerable who have been exploited for years and now being treated with an extra 2.25 bds in their pocket which they must grin and bear trying to buy goods in a highly inflated cost of living market and pay for other household commitments.”

    You love to criticize just for the sake of being critical, even if it means you having to into the realm of absurdity.

    By ‘saying’ “poor and vulnerable” are “now being treated with an extra 2.25 bds in their pocket,” you’re being DISHONEST by PURPOSELY giving the impression that the proposed increase in minimum wages would increase the wages of someone working for $250 by $2.25……… to $252.25.

    Then you used ‘the politics of spin’ to further imply that, from this ‘extra” $2.25, “they must grin and bear trying to buy goods in a highly inflated cost of living market and pay for other household commitments”………….

    ………… comments designed to appeal strongly to people’s emotions and take precedence over the fact that the wages would increase from $250 to $340 per week.


  16. Keep it or increase it
    Some of your comments were opposed to the increase without hinting of a larger increase and some suggested that you supported a larger increase.
    ac! Your turn. What is the magic number?


  17. 340 -250 = $90 increase per 40 hour week. This is a start.

    The fight for a ” living wage ” and an increase in ownership of businesses by workers could continue.


  18. @8:02 a.m. Good catch..

    @ac Good spin.
    A bit of truth in the big lie and the lie floated pass me.
    You are getting better.


  19. “Can you suggest a number that would remove your concerns.”

    A very good question. One I’ve asked several times, yet, it remains unanswered.

    However, I’ll ask once again, if you’re “ashamed of the paltry increase,” then, please ‘tell’ BU what HOURLY RATE, in your opinion, would be fair, reasonable and “economically feasible at this time?”


  20. Let me answer the burning question of how much is fair
    if this question was taken to a court the full interest of those involved would be taken into account on both sides
    First lets take a look at the low wager
    These individuals worked for more than nine years at pittance paltry wages and at times long hours also at times doing the job of more than one person when certain circumstances arose and a call of duty was asked of the employer
    question were they compensated ? shouldnt there be a moral as well as economical duty applied or attached when making a decision of increasing these wages for those years of toil and slave wage payments
    The employer on the other hand while might have caught up in negative factors of economic distress still enjoyed the benefit of keeping his business open along with govt aid and in some cases grandoise concessions
    Yes the employer might say his profit margin was low however the employer along with govt did not pursue a moral path by which the employee could have benefit financially ever so small over the years in order to swim against the rising tide of higher cost of living across the board
    in my mind now we have reached the cross road of decision making it does no good to implement a wage increase that does little or nothing for the low end wager to keep the employee head above water as cost of living increases
    The moral of the story in Mia own words we are or brothers keepers and when one hurt all hurts
    Govt should look across the moral spectrum and not the political spectrum using a measuring stick Long enough and of a decent and moral persuasion and asked them selves after the employees long years of suffering doesnt the employees deserves better than a paltry 2,25 bds increase in wages
    This is where the rubber hits the road and the brakes applied especially when govt jumps forward quickly to make a decision not only steeped in political grandstanding but comprised of a component call a Moral Duty

    Amen
    i angela Cox have spoken
    Have a nice peas and rice day to all who can and cannot afford it


  21. While the small timers argue about raising the minium wage to $4 US and a little change…this is the true definition of a minimum wage and the business people know better than to talk shite unlike the bottomfeeders in Barobdos…

    “New Zealand raises minimum wage to $20 an hour
    Taxes on the riches New Zealanders are being raised

    Changes to minimum wage and tax policy came into force in New Zealand today.

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s had promised to raise the minimum wage to $20 per hour (£10.15) and to raise taxes on the wealthiest Kiwis.

    The rise in wages means that the income of 175,500 New Zealanders will be increased by $44 (£22.30) each week.

    “Today’s rise to $20 per hour is estimated to boost wages across the economy by $216 million, giving New Zealanders more money to spend at local businesses,” Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety Michael Wood said.

    “There are many Kiwis who earn the minimum wage who have gone above and beyond in our fight against COVID. I think everyone agrees those who served us so well during lockdown – including supermarket workers, cleaners, and security guards – deserve a pay rise,” the minister added.

    The new changes also impact the top two percent of earners in New Zealand, those on salaries of over $180,000 (£91,238.87), who will now be taxed by 39 per cent.”


  22. That is why people run from backward small island governments and their parasitic minority hangerons…


  23. why anyone is debating SLAVE WAGES…is beyond me.


  24. The bottomline is the islands in the Caribbean are viewed as slave socieites, complete with the LOWEST MINIMUM WAGE…and that’s exactly how go nowhere Black leaders who are too backward to see where this is going, plan to keep them..

    ..the populations are the ones to remove themselves from that toxic construct…of enriching others and residing comfortably in generational poverty provided by their useless governments, just for them…

    the opportunities for better from the African perspective are now available…but ya will not get them through the black faces in any of the parliaments, never going to happen..


  25. “While the small timers argue about raising the minium wage to $4 US and a little change…,”

    …………….some buffoon is making a silly, uninformed reference to New Zealand raising its minimum wage to $20 or BDS$28.31, while quote the proposed increase in US dollars.


  26. it is not fair to cherry pick a few nations and compare the minimum wages of those countries to Barbados.

    It should be pointed out that the weekly increase in Barbados of US 45.00 is comparable to the US $44.00 increase in NZ. Without Knowing the actual cost of living in both countries, it is quite possible that the increase in Barbados would do more for the average Joe than his countepart in NZ.

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/minimum-wage-by-country
    Here are a few countries of the countries that we beat or almost equal (US $) and I will again point out African or Asian countries are not mentioned here.
    Mexico $1.05
    Brazil $2.18
    Chile $2.25
    Russia $2.27
    Colombia $2.66
    Hungary $2.90
    Poland $3.35
    Costa Rica $3.37
    Estonia $3.40
    Slovakia $3.43
    Latvia $4.30
    Lithuania $4.78
    But just citing raw minimum wages by themselves is a flawed argument.

  27. TheOGazerts@yahoo.com Avatar
    TheOGazerts@yahoo.com

    “Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Tennessee have not adopted a state minimum wage and therefore have adopted the $7.25 federal minimum wage. New Hampshire repealed its state minimum in 2011, adopting the $7.25 minimum as well.”

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/minimum-wage-by-state

    States with lowest set minimum wages
    Wyoming $5.15
    Georgia $5.15


  28. angela cox April 4, 2021 9:47 AM #: “Let me answer the burning question of how much is fair…”

    Rather than ANSWER the question, you ‘fed the forum’ with a long winded contribution, filled with political diatribe and generalized, unsubstantiated statements……… and without any reference to what you believe the proposed increase should be.

    However, I’ll ask once again, if you’re “ashamed of the paltry increase,” then, please ‘tell’ BU what HOURLY RATE, in your opinion, would be fair, reasonable and “economically feasible at this time?”


  29. $5.15 US is still over $10 bds..

    my daughter is appalled that so little is paid to people with families on the island…it’s a disgrace, but the crooks can boast about how many millions and millions they make in profit and that’s ok with some of slaves…they would feel proud…


  30. “Dof sonnul, bokk yaa sonn.
    “A fool does not suffer; it is his relatives who suffer.”
    -Wolof proverb”


  31. They say politics make strange bedfellows.
    I often find myself agreeing with the actions/stances of the GoB. It is not because I believe that the GOB is correct, it is because I believe that the ‘opposition’ is often wrong.

    I believe we should all point out where (in our opinion) the government is making a mistake. We should be able to provide evidence/a reasonable argument that supports our position. To just toss something on the wall and move on will not convert anyone.

    Brothers! Attack. Be fearless in your attacks. Be honest. and I will ride to the end of the world with you; anything less and we will part company.

    Not a b or a d but a B(ajan)


  32. Artax don’t know why u keep asking me that silly question when I am absent of all the mitigating factors now affecting the economy and only having g a birds eye view and cannot with good conscience say with a defining answering what would be fair at present time
    However well as u know I have stated time and time again a preference of having stimulus pkgs which would be helpful In boosting both sides of the ledger household and economic which in my mind would have given a better and clearer perspective to how much is fair and reasonable as the economy rebounds and businesss start to see some light at the end of the tunnel
    Then and only then would relevancy to fairness composed of moral and economic duty would take preference
    What govt has done is to use a wide open political opportunity to throw a dry bone for low end wagers to suck on and public debate to fight about with govt eyes closely clasp on winning the next election
    Conniving to say the least disingenuous at its worst
    Low end wagers what


  33. @ WURA-War-on-UApril 4, 2021 10:11 AM
    “Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s had promised to raise the minimum wage to $20 per hour (£10.15) and to raise taxes on the wealthiest Kiwis.”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Your “friend” MAM has a very long way to go to even consider walking in the footsteps of PM Jacinda Ardern.

    From the miller’s perspective, PM Ardern is the most outstanding leader in the world today.

    She practises what she preaches especially in regard to matters of social and environmental concerns.

    The Anti-corruption and bribery laws in New Zealand ought to be the model for Barbados especially when it comes to their enforcement.

    Moreover, in her most democratic and non-dictatorial style, she allows the people to shape the kind of society they want to live in.

    It’s really amazing how the objectors to the timing of the increase in the Minimum Wage in Barbados could be so vocal at this time but were entirely mute when the government wrote off millions in VAT collected from the same workers but not paid over to the Treasury.

    Wasn’t the NSRL removed without any concomitant reduction in prices across the board?

    The GoB needs to remind these corporate parasites of the many ‘favours’ granted to them over the recent years; especially the almost abolition of corporation tax which would have significantly impacted positively on the cash flows of many a corporation in Barbados.


  34. @Miller

    You are wallowing in the emotional argument. Which workers qualify for minimum pay?


  35. theo

    the govt is wrong in the timing the govt knows not only that certain negative circumstances at present dictates for govt creating a softer economic environment which would be helpful in bringing all on agreement with a wage increase an increase which helps the economy as well as business and household
    instead govt regulates a wage increase which all but cannot be helpful to the economy or households short term or long term
    A look at the economy tells social and economic truths which govt cannot deny and gives many reasons why the increase is not fair and doable at this time
    Wrong Wrong Wrong for many reasons one which contains a screaming message of TOO POLITICAL and the low end wagers deserves better


  36. angela cox April 4, 2021 11:51 AM #: “Artax don’t know why u keep asking me that silly question when I am absent of all the mitigating factors now affecting the economy and only having a birds eye view and cannot with good conscience say with a defining answering what would be fair at present time.”

    Oh, so in your April 4, 2021 11:51 AM contribution the question is “silly” and you’re “ABSENT of all the mitigating factors now affecting the economy.”

    But, 36 minutes after in your 12:27 PM contribution, you’re ‘telling’ the forum that “A look at the economy tells social and economic truths which govt cannot deny and gives many reasons why the increase is not fair and doable at this time.”

    You’ve essentially contradicted yourself.

  37. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    She believes in PEOPLE GOVERNMENT…she knows she did not elect herself…we were hoping Mia would see that early on…but she still clings to a dying concept…it’s on its last gasp to such a degree that the descendant’s of its introduction are moving away from it themselves….because they are smart and can see the wall and the writing….the younger folks in some jurisdictions are very vocal about a people government and sideline the lying, sellout, deceitful politicians….i back that new world order.

    .paying someone with a family of four or more $2.50 US per hr sounds like a good idea to many, they don’t even look at the cost of living and how its manipulated by crooks daily, but those who pay that unliveable wage drive the biggest cars, have 2 and 3, have the biggest houses, some boast about anywhere from 3 to 18 properties….while their workers have very little or nothing.

    many were socialized to believe that the country is doing good as long as the business people are making millions in profits for themselves, so, they should be grateful, never mind they can’t buy a bread and pay bills at the same time..been watching that stupidity for years on end….can’t believe there are those trying to keep it active ….but the younger generation will do for them.

    “Your “friend” MAM has a very long way to go to even consider walking in the footsteps of PM Jacinda Ardern.

    From the miller’s perspective, PM Ardern is the most outstanding leader in the world today.

    She practises what she preaches especially in regard to matters of social and environmental concerns.

    The Anti-corruption and bribery laws in New Zealand ought to be the model for Barbados especially when it comes to their enforcement.

    Moreover, in her most democratic and non-dictatorial style, she allows the people to shape the kind of society they want to live in.”

    “It’s really amazing how the objectors to the timing of the increase in the Minimum Wage in Barbados could be so vocal at this time but were entirely mute when the government wrote off millions in VAT collected from the same workers but not paid over to the Treasury.”

    slaves and hypocrites, you will notice that in the BEST OF TIMES…with billions to steal and stolen right from under the people…it was not “the right time” for an upgrade from starvation wages then either…


  38. Ok
    Keep cherry picking when an answer can only be defined or given
    by the what was being asked and how and to what the answer should be applied
    Further more I did indicate that much more is required in giving definite answer to your question of fairness
    Nevertheless u used a pick fork to cut down a whole tree in referencing my 12.27 as proof that I was contradicting myself

  39. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    They’ve all been running around for years on end with their dizzy selves and none of what they do would’ve come to light if they weren’t playing so slick….and did not notice that they were observed and monitored…violating human rights would do that….especially when ya real determined to continue.


  40. With the pandemic in Barbados almost defeated and our beloved British tourists soon to return to us en masse, it is time to plan for the post-COVID19 phase.

    The moderate increase in the minimum wage is indeed a smart move. Likewise, it would be time to increase the salaries of our ministers as a reward for good work. They really deserve it.


  41. Yup! Arden is the best political leader at present – OF ANY GENDER!

    NO-NONSENSE AND ALSO NO NONSENSE!

    Good on her and New Zealanders in general! From terrible beginnings, New Zealand is turning itself around to correct injustices.

    For a number of years now I have noticed that their cricket team plays honest cricket unlike their “BOARISH” neighbours Australia with whom they share almost identical beginnings.

    They have come a long way from the 1980 series when they (players AND umpires) cheated so much that Michael Holding kicked down the stumps and cried.

    They remind me of the Canadians. Not perfect but trying!


  42. Correction – Ardern, is it?


  43. Tron

    The moderate increase in the minimum wage is indeed a smart move

    Yes a very smart one to bring the masses back.in favour with govt
    This time instead of handing the masses tumblers of koolaid
    This time around it was a dry bone to which many has accepted
    There must be something in the year
    that calls govt for such action
    Meanwhile the economy is in a dizzy spell with the news of more unemployment and higher cost of living
    As for the ministers they seem to be all asleep and their wages needs to but from right under their nose

  44. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    So we get it Miller…there is NEVER going to be A RIGHT TIME to give the people decent living wages.. as long as thieves and the sellout unions are involved…then those with their short memory syndrome would want to parrot…”it’s not the right time” too.

    maybe one day we will find out what they are feeding or drugging them with that they can’t remember from one minute to the other…

  45. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    They better do something, cause most countries are in the same boat, but they ARE DOING SOMETHING to revive employment etc…and not waiting for tourists to return, they have been warned about that by IMF of all people…so they can sit on their hands and hope for their minority “saviors” to create more strife and thefts in Black lives..

    .although the people should be making their own plans right about now, sans a now impotent government…

    they are on their own, they were warned for years, these topics didn’t just come out of the blue..they were discussed ad nauseum for a very long time on BU….some of us knew a few things and tried to point them in the right direction…but we ain’t got no pedigree…..🤣🤣 so no one listened…now they are on the slide of their lives…

    i will watch from the sidelines.

  46. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    And they better not be holding their breath for some slave master spectre to slither into th island to save them, becasue it will not end well…that i can tell them right now, but don’t listen to me, just run with it and see..

    “A Tory MP whose family made millions through slavery is facing calls for an investigation into his company records.

    Richard Drax has replaced a decade of accounts for four farming firms revealing hundreds of thousands of pounds of undisclosed business.

    He did this after we asked Companies House about his finances.

    The move means voters have been denied details about his business interests, and under S106 of the Companies Act it is an offence to “knowingly or recklessly” make “misleading” statements. The penalty can be prison.

    Tax Justice Network chief Alex Cobham said of Mr Drax’s new records: “It’s difficult to see how this error could have been made in a way that was neither knowing nor reckless.”

    Mr Drax – worth about £150million – could also face a parliamentary probe.”

  47. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    Yall only just got away by the skin of ya ass and some very vigilant journalists in UK….this fraud don’t even like paying minium wage in the UK…he pays below….keep allowing yaselves to be paid starvation wages and see what will happen next…don’t be vigilant..things are raging in UK and some are comfortable being railroaded right back into slavery in Barbados…because the other islanders will tolerate none of it….

    ya definitely on ya own, Harriet Tubman has been gone hundreds of years now and no one got the energy, ya had more than enuff warnings.

    “We revealed in December Mr Drax had failed to register in Members’ Interests a Barbados sugar plantation he ran.

    Doreen Lawrence says Boris Johnson’s race report ‘gives the green light to racists’
    The plantation relied on slaves for almost 200 years and the MP said his ancestors’ involvement was regrettable.

    he said it was regrettable, he didn’t say he wouldn’t commit the same crimes against the survivors….continue hanging on the every word of politicians and their lies.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/horrors-slavery-absolutely-cannot-written-23844388

  48. WURA-War-on-U Avatar

    No…the parliament traitors never told you that the Drax aberration was still controlling a slave sugar plantation….ACTIVE STILL, means Black people still work on it……how many more descendants of slave masters are on the island doing the same for the last 54 YEARS post fake independence…..and the descendants of the enslaved NEVER KNEW…

    so keep arguing among yaselves about WHY the population should NOT GET a liveable wage, it’s YOUR grands and great grands will be the slaves, not mine.


  49. angela cox April 4, 2021 1:30 PM #: “Keep cherry picking when an answer can only be defined or given by the what was being asked and how and to what the answer should be applied. Further more I did indicate that much more is required in giving definite answer to your question of fairness.”

    My friend, you’ve been arguing the proposed increase in the hourly minimum wage rate is “paltry, miniscule, unfair, unreasonable and not economically feasible at this time.”

    Please re-read the contributions you posted to the “Minimum Wage (Yes), Timing (No?)” blog. The following are few examples.

    angela cox March 28, 2021 10:03 AM #: “For what it is worth can 8.50 when applied reach the substantial cost of living for the lower wage earner. That 8.50 is nothing more than a smoke and mirror approach to the economic realities that are affecting the barbadian household.”

    angela cox March 28, 2021 7:58 PM #: “The fact that this 8.50 has brought cause for heated debate is a telling sign that the measure in itself cannot bring any meaningful and long term help to the people and an economy which is over heated.”

    angela cox March 31, 2021 5:11 AM #: “I am not against an increase. However I am for an increase that is fair one that is doable and one which the economy can support. What is being rolled out as an increase cannot be described as fair doable and economical feasible at this time.”

    angela cox March 31, 2021 7:53 AM #: “Facts as well as factors matter as well. So when govt gives increases in a weak and sluggish economy. It makes for wonder why.”

    angela cox March 31, 2021 4:26 PM #: “How in heaveans name can people agree to a paltry wage increase in an economic environment that is less favorable to providing a level of economic comfort for them.”

    You also ‘talked’ about “an overheated inflated economy,” and “the economy’s legs were broken.”


  50. In response I simply asked, “If, according to you, $8.50 is a “paltry increase and cannot be described as fair,”………..

    ……………. then, please ‘tell’ the forum what HOURLY RATE, in your opinion, would be fair, reasonable and “economically feasible at this time?”

    You ‘bob and weaved’ around the question, rather than answering it. Then you came up with the lame, frivolous excuse about “cherry picking” and you’re uaware of the state of Barbados’ economy to give a definite answer.

    Yet, you previously wrote,

    angela cox March 29, 2021 7:52 AM #: “David in the thread “Gloomy outlook ” I have already stated the economic path govt should have pursued.”

    “Yesterday I laid out reasons why the economy would remain stagnant as govt policies seem to be hell bent on political mechanism.”

    How could you, on one hand, ‘tell’ David the “economic path govt should have pursued” and “lay out reasons why the economy would remain stagnant,”……………

    …………. but, on the other hand, you’ve ADMITTED to NOT being aware of “all the mitigating factors now affecting the economy” and “cannot with good conscience say with a defining answering what (rate) would be fair at present time?”

    Your arguments are contradictory. It’s clear you’re ‘making up things as you go.”

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