Two Land Tax Bills in Eight Months

Comment posted by John A @2019/05/29 at 5:31 pm

…I come home this evening to find a Land tax bill in my mail box for the same amount I paid last year for a 12 month period, however this bill only covering the period from the last bill till now which is only roughly 7 months. So can you tell me if I should go to the Fair Trading Comission and lodge a complaint for receiving a bill for a calender year but only covering a 7 month period?

I mean I ain t got no alphabet behind my name but somehow to pay 12 months in land rental to the government for only 7 months of occupancy seem wrong to me.

Help advise a small man what to do here fellers cause the way I see it this tax period I either getting double bill per months of occupancy, or I get a 50 percent in land tax based on me paying in 7 months what I paid in 12 last year.

So wait next year bill going come out in February then and we going pay a full land tax amount for 8 months next year too?…

Comment posted by Gabriel @ 2019/05/29 at 10:00 pm

Your point is well made.The tax demand is for the Financial Year 2019-20 so that Finance would proffer that the payment can be demanded anytime after April 2019 but in that event the next payment should not be due until April 2020,one year after as you have pointed out.I was around long enough to know that these tax bills offered a 10% discount in the first instance usually in November and a 5% discount in the second instance in December before the full amount is due and payable.Now it’s a 5% discount only after which the full amount is demanded.So we have seen significant changes in the Tax Demand Notice without so much as a whimper from Mr Ryan Straughan. (1)A big increase,(2)less discount for prompt payment and (3)less than a calendar year elapsing before demanding the following year’s payment.Property owners are sitting ducks as are the PAYE class.

252 thoughts on “Two Land Tax Bills in Eight Months

  1. @ John A

    Thanks for attempting to treat with the issues and your insightful interventions.

  2. @ Vincent.

    Thank you, another time we must discuss the pros and cons of direct taxation vs indirect taxation and their net effect on the economy.

    If we can throw the facts out there and get people thinking, maybe even some of the ” most hard headed ” bloggers might start thinking.

    I notice you fire a shot earlier that went right over a fellow head! Lol

  3. While you are having your high falutin’ economic discussions remember to address the elephant in the room. Unless you do so, your high falutin’ ideas will amount to nothing.

    There is more than economics to consider. Economic policy does not occur in a vacuum.

    And please, remember that people do not like being talked down to or you will chase people away from the blog.

  4. Donna I don’t think anyone will get anywhere doing that. I just think we need to ventilate things that are said to the public.

    In other words when we are told ” a decision has been taken to move more to direct taxation” what does that mean to the public?

    How does that affect disposable income and the circulation of money in the economy as opposed to indirect taxation?

    I don’t think we can be accused of trying to have high faulutin (good old bajan parlance) conversations even on this thread here. In my comments I always try to keep it simple and welcome all views be they B, D or otherwise. So if we ever have that discussion come and share your views too!

    Besides you dont come across as someone who would drink the Koolaid because you are told to do so. Lol

    • @John A

      How practical is discussing direct taxation in the manner you suggest without giving the big picture context read we need to improve productivity and earn more? Can we support present consumption behavior etc. we want to revamp education system and not our behaviours? Donna is so right.

  5. No one said Donna’ s point is not going to be a part of the conversation but before we can discuss how we spend it, we first have to discuss which option will put the most of it in our hands to spend. Or are you saying we are so incapable of managing our money that government will take it directly from us before it reaches our pockets first?

    I will say something now and I defy any to state it incorrect.

    If we had addressed our indirect taxation methods like VAT and customs collection first, the level of austerity that was introduced could of been way less severe.

    In other words if customs charged the full vat on everything including the true value of the 40,000 barrels entering the country and the massive duffle bags sailing through the airport on a weekend from Miami and New York, dont you think that would help their thirst for revenue?

    Secondly if the Vat Office got behind those that owed and started to collect on them you don’t think that would also help quench their need for revenue?

    In other words instead of fixing the leaking old pipe we just keep leaving it as is and then try to collect the lost revenue with new taxes in a direct nature.

    It’s like we losing 40 percent of our water in leaks so we pump 60 percent more through the pipes so as to allow for the 40% spillage.

  6. David dont get frighten about that conversation, then again it going bring alot of mismanagement and fear of confronting change to the discussion and some may not want that.

  7. David government needs revenue hence the increase bus fares, land tax bill increases, increase fuel cost etc ( direct taxation increases)

    In the meantime we ignore massive amounts of uncollected revenue from VAT and Items being imported that are avoiding the duty charges at port of entry ( indirect taxation)

    Our biggest struggle is local debt so Instead of crippling us with direct taxes get the indirect tax systems working.

    After all they don’t call it Value Added Tax for nothing. Every transaction captures additional revenue for the state as it progresses via consumption.

    • Our biggest problem is earning forex to pay for all that we import. Local dollars chase the goods we import. Around and around we go.

  8. I am not a supporter of direct taxation as it does not allow money into the economy for circulation. Instead it removes it at source stifling growth and benefiting only the state.

    VAT on the other hand by its very nature allows all that touch the product to make a few dollars, with the state benefiting every time up to and including when it’s sold to the final consumer.

  9. No there is a balance that once obeyed ensures that does not happen. We chose to disobey the laws of balance when Sinkler decided to print money like rain. He then threw the balance off by creating a problem where too many bajan dollars were chasing too few USD. That is why we are here today. We put this island in a position where we took the demand for USD from what was a well protected formula tied to Bajan dollar circulation and turned it into a brek for yourself.

    What the PM did is basically remove some of that paper from circulation by the local debt restructuring and hence restore supply and demand.

    There is therefore no excuse to now not revert to indirect taxation and let the economy grow as the excessive local paper that was depleting the USD forex no longer is in circulation.

    Of course I would like to see us just dolarise and be done!

    • @John A

      Why did Sincker have to print money like rain?

      Why did foreign reserves trend down for every year he was MoF?

  10. He refused to listen to anyone from Jeremy to Arthur and everyone in between. He refused to restructure the civil service or do anything to rock the boat with elections.

  11. Anything this ugly crooked gnome George Payne involved is corrupt and should be ringing ALARM BELLS.

    Now has the gall to say what they are doing with Hyatt is now an ongoing case of where the last DLP Government left off.

    The same Maloney and DLP BLP said are so corrupt if it wasn’t so blatantly obvious the deviousness and stink one could laugh.

    Are Bajan voters and followers of these 2 Political Parties so DAMN STUPID?????

    More Crown land for Hyatt

    Government is releasing more land on Lower Bay Street, St Michael, for the Hyatt Hotel development.

    Minister of Housing and Lands George Payne introduced a resolution in the House of Assembly yesterday to vest another two parcels of Crown land in the Barbados Tourism Investment Inc. (BTII) to be subsequently leased or sold to Hyatt developer, Vision Development Inc.

    The first, a 509 square metre parcel next door to Bethel Methodist Church and formerly occupied by the Government Electrical Engineering Department, is being provided for possible construction of a bridge to link the seaside Hyatt property to that area.

    Payne informed the House that the developers had already obtained planning permission for that bridge, though he pointed out “it may not be necessary for this bridge as part of the project”.

    But in the event it was needed, he said Cabinet had set down conditions for the developers, as had been drawn up by the previous Government, and which he outlined.

    Among those proposals was the issuing of a licence to the developer for a term of 25 years, with an option to renew for a further 25 years; payment of an annual licence fee of $1 000 plus VAT with a review every five years, and the developer being responsible for the cost of construction and maintenance of the bridge.

    He added the developer “should indemnify and keep the Crown harmless from all and any loss arising from the use of the bridge. The developer should be responsible to keep the bridge in repair and ensure the safety of all users in accordance with the laws of Barbados”.

    In the case of the second parcel of land being vested in the BTII yesterday, Payne said that 69 square metres was part of the original 2 833 square metres which had already been vested in the BTII, “but it includes a drain, and it was felt that this drain should not have been included in the original vesting”. The St Andrew MP said since this piece of land “straddled” the property the developer had already purchased from DETCO Motors, “it is important that this area be acquired as well

    “After the vesting, it will be sold to Visions as part of the (Hyatt) development,” he added. “I can’t stress too much this is a development which was formulated by the last administration and we are just continuing governance in this respect.” (GC)

  12. Beware 30-nil thinking

    The proverbial popping of champagne corks, the tumultuous adulation of the crowd and the scene of a sea of humanity clothed in red may have had a ring of inevitability to it all, given the historic events of May 24, 2018.

    This was an anniversary celebration of an election in superlatives and precedents. The first woman and the first Independence baby boomer to lead a party into a general election emerged in command of an entire Parliament sans Opposition. All 30 seats.

    This was not a general election but a generational election as young people voted in unprecedented numbers, not a few of them born in this century. Women turned out in historic numbers as well.

    The Labour Party may with no little justification feel that its historic election is no less deserving of its place in the pantheon of electoral greatest hits than the BLP’s victory of 1976, the DLP’s of 1986 and the BLP’s 1999.

    The campaign-style extravaganza, on a famed car park the Prime Minister teased, was about to be replaced by one of a raft of hotel developments along the urban corridor, was trademark BLP pomp and political pageantry at its classic election-winning best.

    But it nonetheless struck a discordant note given the sobering and brutally painful times which this Government has been mandated to oversee.

    The people of this nation made a profound statement on May 24, 2018, in handing Barbados’ Grand Old Party one-party Parliament. This is not one-party rule, even with its token Opposition seat.

    No, we have not been here before with 30-nil. But we’ve been close enough in 1986 (24-3 to the DLP) and 1999 (28-2 to the BLP).

    And we’ve been close enough with austerity measures, IMF programmes and threats to our way of life. But no, we have not quite been here before. Not this close to Greece.

    The actions in Carlisle Car Park speak louder than rhetoric. The event still managed to become a tone-deaf anachronism given enormous pain being felt on servants of the State.

    Perhaps the BLP should reserve its celebrations until the much-touted large scale investment unveiled on Sunday night actually arrived.

    As the throngs of supporters wearing their “Mia Cares” t-shirts walked away from a car park, they got into vehicles which since midnight must consume the second-most expensive petrol in the world, at US 1.96 per litre.

    This costly anomaly long precedes the addition of road tax to the fuel taxes announced last year.

    Just as the previous administration did, some taxes are fixed and forgotten. The removal of NSRL was, we submit, low-hanging fruit in Government’s revenue-grabbing tree.

    Taxation, piled on by Chris Sinckler under the Democratic Labour Party, remains a significant part of the price of petrol in this country, now on par with oil-producing Norway.

    The Government urges other Caribbean countries to support LIAT while charging 60 cents on the dollar for every air ticket. Unchanged from the last administration.

    The removal of virtually all income tax credits by the DLP, especially on mortgage interest, home improvement, even doctor’s visits, have sunk middle-class fortunes even lower, even with modest adjustments of tax bands.

    But water bills, raised by over 60 per cent by the last government, have since been doubled under the current regime. In the meantime, the thing our taxes pay for – garbage collection – is even harder to come by.

    And bus fares have shot up by 75 per cent, while bus service remains patchy at best, absent at worst, limiting the capacity of working Barbadians to hold on to the jobs they have been able to earn.

    And yes, thousands of people are out of the jobs they once held in the public sector.

    The BLP would do well to rely on typically Barbadian values of pragmatism and tempered enthusiasm given the pain of those whose situation may not be their own fault but are now our collective responsibility.

    This brings us to a final caution about dissenting voices. If we are to take the Prime Minister’s encouraging declaration, “all hands on deck”, then voices of disagreement should be embraced by the administration.

    They are other perspectives worthy of attention. The Government must not think itself in sole possession of truth even if it considers itself in possession of the facts. It must oppose efforts by underlings to squelch debate or worse, practice the politics of personal destruction.

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  14. According to an official Barbados Government Information Service notice, published at 12;06 today a customer (citizen? tax payer?) died in the land valuation section this morning so the 4th floor of the treasury Building is closed for the rest of the day. I hope that the new high tax bills are not killing the people from stress. I may not be able to pay all of mine this year either. But if i don’t have the money, I don’t have the money. Nobody a’int killing me. Neither this government, nor any subsequent one. If the government can’t get all from me this year or in the next few years then they can collect after I am dead, BUT I am not planning on dying anytime soon. And no I won’t plan to take the land with me when I die. It will still be there for the government to do whatever it feels like with it.

    We brought NOTHING into this world, and it is a certainty that we can take NOTHING out.

  15. Well, the land tax bills have hit some people in ottawa already and they are not happy. not only have the taxes increased, but the payment date is now July. wuhloss. I aint get mine yet, but i only gine pay in october when it should be due.

  16. Well folks, my tax bill arrived here in Canada this morning. it went up by $250 and if i pay by july 26, it is reduced by $50. Well, i have always paid in US or Canadian to help the reserves. however, seeing that i have useless Bajan $$ in the bank down there, i will have my relative with signing authority pay it in useless Bajan $$ in october. That increase was too massive. it will break the back of the poor.

  17. @Dame Bajans..If you dont plan to pay in July 2019 to get 5% discount, you might as well pay before just before March 31 2020 with your useless Bajan $$$…why pay in October 2019?

  18. @yatinkiteasy

    The due date on the previous bills were October. you mean it was only due the end of March? may as well let my money stay where it is. Thanks for the information.

  19. Has anyone truly and methodically looked at their new PROPERTY TAX bill ?

    If you look you will find that the 2019-20 Tax bill is an increase of some 45% over the 2018-19 Tax bill. Include the fact that there now is only a 5% discount for early payment from the previous 10% discount and you have a 50% tax increase in a year, factor in that property values have fallen approximately 30%(Red Book) and you have a property tax increase of some 80% in one year.


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