Lawyer-politicians Take Us for FOOLS

Submitted by Cheryl Newton

Lawyer-politicians make me sick to the stomach and are full of shit.  Perhaps they behave with much contempt as if of the opinion we all went to school in August. When in government they seem to sit on their brains and when in opposition behave as the smartest persons in the world.

A 300 page report was completed by former Magistrate Faith Marshall Harris – UN Children Advocate – which was not tabled in parliament by the last administration to amend the Minors Act and the Maintenance Act. The BLP is also ignoring that report.

The system is just as clogged as the sewer at the Supreme Court because of the many frivolous emotional access and maintenance cases that are made contentious by lawyers seeking to suck on the sore financial nipples of legal aid which is in a pre-cancerous state and under the surgical knife of BERT.

The recommendations in the UN Children’s Advocate whitepaper are so comprehensive that it takes into consideration support in kind. It also deals with the eagerness of mostly women to use an already clogged court system to deal with the emotionally stressful issues of access and maintenance. No longer is cash the only means of support as in kind by respondent and their extended family is now included. Mediation for all access/ maintenance issues rather than the rush to court will be mandatory with only extremely difficult cases going before a magistrate or judge. Even the loss of productivity by turning up for court at 9am only for your case to be heard by an overworked and under paid judicial officer is also dealt with in the proposed amendments.

It is really disgusting how we have silently and complicity allowed the legal industry to have turned our country upside down while the whole country remains silent. We need not wonder why the Bajan slaves were the least paid, most productive and hardly ever revolted against wrong. It’s in our DNA.

Do see the Barbados article below:

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    “It is really disgusting how we have silently and complicity allowed the legal industry to have turned our country upside down while the whole country remains silent. We need not wonder why the Bajan slaves were the least paid, most productive and hardly ever revolted against wrong. It’s in our DNA.”

    Very aptly put, but it is way past time to turn them all out and expose them to the world at every opportunity …,and expose every last one of them….shut down their law shops of criminality posing as law firms……..DNA notwithstanding…

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  • Now long have one bullet in your possession was deemed illegal? No wonder the Barbadian judicial system is in such mess with such nonesense…

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  • These days there is a suffocating focus on things economic. Are we a society and just not an economy?

    #askingforfriend

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  • “Lawyer-politicians Take us as for FOOLS”

    YES, YES, YES TAKE can be replaced with KNOW. Bajans are the typically flock of SHEEP, they even have their own BREED, BLACK BELLY.

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  • @Wily

    This is how you would trivialize a serious issue?

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  • We can only blame ourselves. Before May 24, I said on BU that voters should not elect any lawyers to parliament – none at all. That would have sent a message. We cannot continue to feed the fatted calf then marvel at how big it has grown. It is our fault. Parliament can run without lawyer/politicians. What do they add to debates or law–making? GET RID OF THEM.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster often I wonder if it isn’t “trivial” to frame any debate about members of parliament in this false narrative re lawyers as a profession.

    Without deep research its clear that historically MPs were often lawyers in our independent Caribbean countries for very practical reasons:1. they were ‘self dependent’ professionals who used the elective process dually for professional promotion along with the stated desire to ‘represent’ their fellow citizens; 2 Being self dependent it was easier to move in and out of a govt post and sustain a livelihood as an attorney.

    That would have been true also in England despite @Hal irrational remark that “I said on BU that voters should not elect any lawyers to parliament …”. How many lawyers sit in the 600+ MP House of Commons…not over 15%!

    Why this continuous broadside about lawyers and elective representation when factually the nexus (to borrow that word from the other blog) of the two is absolutely more natural than most other professions…how many doctors will “disrupt” their careers to run for elective politics…how many engineers or smart businessmen working their thriving startup ?

    On practical terms the argumentation is merely catchy as it makes absolutely NO sense.

    Parliament in the main is about creating and enacting rules and regulations (laws,statues etc) to govern society so being trained in legal matters fits that fundamentally well…that’s not to say that expertise in medicine or engineering, business/economics, sciences or whatever is not vital also within the halls of parliament but the demands of those professions make it that more difficult to have a dual career that includes that as an MP.

    So lawyers with all their sins will likely always be the majority profession of young political aspirants!

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  • @David

    “This is how you would trivialize a serious issue?”

    Barbadians, you included, are WINERS, the issues are always talked about, Bajan gumflapping, however the problems continue to deteriorate. SERIOUS ISSUES YES, however corrective actions are well known, however little or nothing is ever done. Wily is not trivializing the issue but the actions/ response of the populace, political and otherwise of implementing ANY CORRECTIVE ACTION.

    Lots of TALK on BU, LOCAL PRESS, NEW BLP GOV etc etc, however nothing changes, SAME OLD, SAME OLD to quote yourself. The issues are NOT TRIVIAL, actions though remind me of a famous cartoon character, MICKY MOUSE.

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  • @Dee Word

    One does not have to respond to all comments. We have good and bad lawyers as we do in every profession. We have to find a way to fire interest in the general population to hold all public officials accountable.

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  • @ de Pedantic,

    Sometimes your stupidity worries me. What is a discussion about lawyer/politicians in Barbados got to do with the UK’s Parliament? Since the 1960s, and in particular since 1966, lawyers have monopolised elective politics in Barbados.
    There are two basic reasons: first, they are mostly self-employed and have the time to engage in parliamentary activity, which is largely part-time (meeting generally one day a week); employees or large organisations do not have that luxury.
    Many are simply interested in their pensions. Why would both governments refuse to reforms politicians’ pensions? It is a gravy train. If rejected at the pools they can always return to their practice.
    The problem is at the constituency level when candidates are being selected. We have the ill-informed notion that lawyers are highly educated and would make good representatives. There is no evidence, apart from an LLB certificate, of this. Why do our parliamentarians boast about their mainly basic qualifications?
    Second, one result of being in parliament is that they understand the importance of law-making and how this could impact on their professional practice. The end result is that we talk about corruption when we really mean incompetence. Just look at some of our draft legislation.
    As to the fool @de Pedantic, the ratio of lawyers to non-lawyers in the UK parliament is much smaller than it is in Barbados and remains so at nearly every new parliament.
    The reason is that we do not genuflect to lawyers in the same way; lawyers have to prove they are intelligent and fit for purpose and we have a competent and informed press to scrutinise their every action. We also have intelligent alternatives. That too is missing in Barbados. There are other short-comings with the UK parliament, but those can be discussed later.
    Even watching the inferior school-boy like debates in parliament on Tuesdays make me scream. We get better in some of our Sixth Forms.
    By the way, did you see the report on the survey of university students’ views on politicians? That is our next generation of leaders.

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  • Vincent Codrington

    @ David BU

    I thought Wily did make a profound statement. He pointed out that Barbadians are a special breed of sheep. The PM, at a function yesterday and using different words, made the same point. Perhaps it is our specialty that we are not addressing.

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  • @Vincent

    For how long the order that was the vestige of a colonial past held up as a positive of Barbadian society?

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    @Hal, I find it EXTREMELY difficult to understand why you and others personalize debates so puerily and not just deal with the freaking facts. Frankly its dismaying and annoying …steeeupse.

    Did you not make the ridiculous remark about not electing any lawyers? Yet you call it “stupid” and ask “What is a discussion about lawyer/politicians in Barbados got to do with the UK’s Parliament? “… Are you on medication or something!

    Let’s deal FACTUALLY with your remark….

    Fact: If no lawyers were elected in the UK Parliament then 100 plus members would not be there…
    The point OBVIOUSLY is that being a lawyer must be a valid entrez to parliament if so many are elected…
    In your wisdom can you please tell me which profession is more represented in parliament than lawyers?

    Fact: Of course our parliament has a greater % of lawyers…and there are VALID reasons for that which I alluded to and you did as well…you agreed that their professional livelihood is more assured as an MP so absolutely you must know that a much more mature UK society has evolved to a greater level were more folks have the means or income stream/career options that drives validates that attorneys in “the UK parliament is much smaller than it is in Barbados and remains so at nearly every new parliament”…and so too in the US congress or the Bundestag!

    It has not a jot to do with genuflecting to lawyers…that’s your BS chatter….just as there are considerably more WOMEN and minorities in parliaments today than they were in decades past.

    Your lawyer argument is simply nonsensical and absolutely NOT specific to Barbados anyhow.

    Fact: Our society (re lawyers in House) will not evolve as yours for a few basic reasons: 1 we continue to produce more damn lawyers than we need too, thus they will continue to gravitate to parliament basically for a job and 2. Our folks of other means are not as disposed to present themselves to the electorate.

    Whereas the planter or business class would easily afford the part time representative job in a fore-gone era our legal beagles are now the dominant class who have the facility for that role but folks like a Col Bostic who has completed one career and is young enough and has the ambition to start another will yet also more be seen on the electoral trail…so too those who have made lots of money in new business ventures and now desire new challenges and simply those like a Nathalee who are propelled to great infamy via social media and use it for success in politics….

    …in sum, there are ABSOLUTELY no missing different and certainly “intelligent alternatives” in Barbados.

    If you want to continue your nonsensical wrath please do and display your puerile nonsense but when you elect to represent facts rather than vitriol and irrationality it makes for healthier debate…in and out of a parliament!

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  • @ de Pedantic

    Maybe it is me, your style of discussion is irritating. We are discussing the Barbados parliament but you reference the UK parliament; they are not the same. Is that to universalise the Barbadian experience? If it is so it is not relevant.
    You mention the number of lawyers in the UK parliament, 100 as you claim, our of 650 (just over 15 per cent), but 27 per cent of the 650 are Oxbridge graduates; that is a bigger problem.
    Any how, I am out of the discussion.

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  • Unfortunately it is quite true that lawyers take us for fools. I recently had to deal with mine and set him straight on that one. But the people are not fooled really. They know the score but they are not equipped to change it at present. That is what we need to work on. We need to equip the people. I do my bit daily on a one on one basis. That is not enough.

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  • de pedantic Dribbler

    And that the other irritating (amusing really) aspect of you and others: as soon as we focus on factually dissecting personal piques you run off…again steeupse.

    In brief… Your lawyer argument is simply nonsensical and absolutely NOT specific to Barbados anyhow

    What you find as ‘”rritating” to YOU, I offered as CONTEXT of your personal dislike being unmoored to life generally…the Bajan experience is alas more universal than you ridiculously lament it not to be!

    The Barbaos House of Assembly, UK House of Commons and the German Bundestag are the SAME in one simple measure: they are the legislative chambers where elected official conduct their nation’s business. That is UNIVERSAL and all of them have more lawyers per elected MP than any other profession!

    What exactly is your point again…beyond personal pique!

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  • Does the person vote for lawyer or morethe party anyway.

    How does voting for a lawyer prevent civil society from being the most strident about adopting the law mentioned in the submission?

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  • @ Hal Austin:
    What you said about the misconception Barbadians have about how highly educated lawyers are, is indeed correct. It never ceases to amaze me that law (one of the easiest courses at University) results in its practitioners receiving among the highest enumerations on earth. It is a program that depends on precedence and rote learning.The progress which has been made in the scientific arena would never have been achieved if scientists were governed by the past as lawyers are. When last have you heard of a lawyer inventing some thing new in the law? As far as I am concerned lawyers are parasites on society.

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  • @ Robert Lucas,

    Well observed. But you must also understand that when young working class lads started getting higher education they had very few opportunities as professionals locally.
    They could ether go in to the civil service, become doctors or lawyers or be teachers. In those days accounts an actuaries etc were not even on the horizon.
    As a result, ordinary people developed a deference for doctors and lawyers (advocates); even academic lawyers were sidelined. They did not understand what academics did (in Barbados advocates become QCs, academics do not). The shift from lawyer/advocates to lawyer/politicians was part of the same trajectory.
    One end result is that in underdeveloped societies family doctors and lawyers are seen as fonts of all knowledge. Where I live most law graduates do not go in to criminal law. To do so will be seen as a failure. I tried to get a young cousin of mine to go into commercial law and she rejected the idea to become something in marketing.

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  • @robert lucas February 23, 2019 5:52 PM

    What is stopping the the likes of you and Hal Austin from seeking election to parliament?

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  • @de pedantic Dribbler February 23, 2019 2:18 PM

    What will it take for you to realise Hal is a self hating bullshitter from the Ivy who see everything wrong with anything Caribbean and nothing wrong with the Utopia where he was fortunate to escape the Windrush deportations. He would never come on this blog and discuss his Labour party which was labeled institutionally racist by the seven members who resigned recently.
    Take my advice, ignore him.

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  • @ Bajan n New York,

    “…his Labour Party….?” For the record, I am not, and never has been, a member of the Labour Party.

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  • A billion dollars??
    Canopy Growth
    (NYSE: CGC)

    Canopy is the largest marijuana producer on the planet. It was the first federally regulated, publicly traded cannabis producer in North America. It is the first billion-dollar cannabis company.

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ TheOGazerts February 23, 2019 8:01 PM

    One Billion is small change, but in terms of reported revenue that is a major development. Usually these entity dealing with MJ have not readily reported these earning or valuations for public consumption. lol

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  • As a young democracy Barbados needed local lawyers in parliament to assist with legislation just as free education was needed to bring the masses out of poverty. Lawyers are damn crooked parasites robbing every citizen.

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  • @SirFuzzy
    I thought it was notable.
    A short time ago marijuana was a big part of the drug wars.
    Today we have billion dollar companies
    And island in the Caribbean still fighting the drug wars

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    @ Sir Fuzzie February 23, 2019 8:44 PM

    hmmm. Can this be the New Coke flavour? lol

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  • SirFuzzy (Former Sheep)

    “Canopy Growth Corporation, formerly Tweed Marijuana Inc., is a cannabis company based in Smiths Falls, Ontario, founded by Bruce Linton and Chuck Rifici in 2013, and renamed Canopy Growth Corporation in 2015”

    Canopy Growth sounds way better than “Tweed Marijuana Inc”

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  • Crooks , Liars and Scumbags, 30 down 30 to Go By 2023 or sooner

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  • Bajan in NY

    Sometimes Hal Austin makes reasonable contributions, be he is too full of himself. He wrote a few articles, some of which he refers to occasionally as being relevant today, and some how believes when we see his name we should bow down and accept what he says as the gospel.

    He says everyone in Barbados is silly because they accept what they read or learn without questioning or challenging it, which means we learn by rote. Yet when you question or challenge his opinions, it is an abomination, he hurl his verbal abuse at you, accompanied by the words fool, idiot, appallingly ignorant, silly. But when he is boxed into a corner, he runs, “I’m out of this discussion.” It is his way or the by-way. That’s what bullies do when you stand up to them.

    For him, our primary, secondary, BBC, UWI students, our undergraduates, graduates, teachers, civil servants, doctors, lawyers, politicians, engineers, professionals, nonprofessionals, artisans, bakers, entrepreneurs etc are ALL ignorant. That’s why Barbados is a failed state and it will end in tears.

    Hal Austin is the typical bully. He is always looking for a fight. He bullies people into agreeing with him. If they don’t, he beats them. On BU, the insults replace the beatings. You can read the anger and hate in his posts. People like him are abusive and manipulative. They are pompous and authoritative, they want to be in charge, to be in control and want people to be submissive. That’s why they prey on the weak. He believes everyone on BU is weak, that’s why he comes here every day looking for a fight, to bully people, to show who is boss.

    Deep inside bullies are cowards. Men like him look for weak women to marry that would be submissive, that they could control. I would not be surprised if he beats his spouse and abused (lashed) his children.

    He is a pseudo psychologist and believes he can analyse everyone.

    Have ever noticed he likes bragging about talking to the big boys and what he told them or what he told a politician at a function, or at dinner. Never a reference to what he did to help the poor. All this big talk, has he given something back to the community, helped a few poor people from the Ivy with scholarships?

    This is the ramblings of a drunkard. Remember, he asked Maiposa if I’m an alcoholic.

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  • WARU, Crazy & Unstable, Hogging the Blog

    Always taking people for fools.

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  • @Bajan in NY. 2/24/19
    You wanted to know why I do not become a politician. I will tell you why. I am a scientist (a seeker after the truth) and I am full of curiosity. I also believe that until black people start inventing things and become innovators, they will always be at the bottom of the totem pole being subjected to ridicule. For example Dr. James Watson has a very dim view of the intelligence of blacks;his stance seems to be predicated on the lack of extensive(note extensive) contributions made to the development of the modern world in terms of technical know how. I posited the fact that normally dissembling is one of the strong points of politicians. There is no room for dissembling in the scientific world.

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  • There is no room for dissembling in the scientific world.

    DISSEMBLING IS FOR NITPICKERS AND LYING LAWYERS!

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  • Instead of attacking the humanities or others disciplines not of the science world we should agree that a multidisciplinary framework is the ideal to ensure the optimal wellbeing of humankind.

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  • Who was it that said that the scientist Dr Lucas was ignorant? Was that a multidisciplinary framework ? Was that ensuring the optimal wellbeing of humankind.?

    Has Dr Lucas by his letters to BU not sought to ensure the optimal wellbeing of humankind?.

    Does he not offer more here on BU when he appears than the common mongrel ——–

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  • It has become blatantly obvious that ms Mottley is not Prime Minister material.
    More like junior minister of naming schools.
    Carry on smartly.

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