The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Guns of January

Barbadians might be forgiven for thinking that our island in recent weeks has been transformed into some latter-day Caribbean Dodge City or Tombstone Territory, given the alarming incidence of crimes involving the use of firearms. It is disconcerting enough when the offence involves mere unlawful possession, although, if one is to judge from the newspaper photograph of one such weapon, preparations for an internecine civil war or a serious public assault by one group or other might already be substantially underway. This may be scary enough; however, when there eventuates the scenario of an innocent bystander’s life becoming the collateral damage of some unfriendly fire, the situation becomes even more terrifying.

Despite the populist diagnoses of this spate of gun violence, ranging from scarcely veiled partisan discourses on the degree of the contribution of the state of the economy and, by extension, depending on the speaker’s political allegiance, the indirect responsibility or non-responsibility of the governing administration for the current state of affairs; to the so-termed “slap-on-the-wrist” approach of the magistracy and judiciary to sentencing offenders that, as popular wisdom would have it, contributes immeasurably to all criminality in Barbados, the problem seems intractable. There have been more broad hints than one in the public domain during the last week that some aspects of Sharia law may not be that bad after all.

Last week’s revelation from the acting Commissioner of Police, Mr Tyrone Griffith, of the police suspicion (he put it no higher than that) that negligently or criminally inadequate oversight by local customs officers of incoming cargo is a major contributor to the presence of illegal firearms in this country was always going to set the cat among the pigeons in a jurisdiction where such sweeping generalisations are more than likely to raise the hackles and much otherwise of all the members of the class of individuals at whom fingers are pointed.

As to be expected, there is a report in another section of the press this morning (Saturday) that customs officers are “hopping mad” and their representatives “outraged” and befuddled at what has been reasonably interpreted as a generalised calumny on all customs officers. Of course, I do not believe that this defamation was intended by the acting Commissioner, but it would have satisfied the requirements for actionability in the courts had he been any more particular in his assertions. Indeed, as I propose to tell the students in the law of Torts II lectures in a few weeks, when a wide class of individuals is impugned by a statement, no member of that class may sue successfully for defamation unless he or she is able to establish that there is something in the statement or the small size of the group that would lead the ordinary listener or reader reasonably to consider that the claimant was being referred to.

While this is the strict legal position, it is at least doubtful whether the customs officers would be detracted by such a technical consideration. However, given that it would have been both defamatory and impolitic for the acting Commissioner to be any more specific in this context, there is necessarily now an impasse between the two entities to be judged in the court of public opinion. There, the issues to be determined are whether the acting Commissioner was right to have made public the police suspicion without there having been at least the arrest and charge of one officer, and whether the customs officers are not being overly sensitive, given the allure of an argument that a proliferation of weapons in the island must include at least a number that were imported through the lawful ports of entry.

The workers’ representatives are nothing if not adamant that the Commissioner’s statements were more than unfortunate. While the more representative of these organisations, the National Union of Public Workers [NUPW], has termed them as “inflammatory, without basis” and serving only “to tarnish the reputations and integrity of all customs officers”, Mr Caswell Franklyn, the leader of the Unity Workers’ Union, argues that the police force was “more responsible for interdicting weapons than Customs given its superior facilities and training…”

What may be equally regrettable is the appearance of a public spat between these two governmental entities that are placed in the forefront of the interception of contraband into the jurisdiction. At a time when there are already publicly expressed fears that the interdiction of drugs, despite reports of periodic substantial seizures, is barely effective, if at all, in stemming the available local supply, any fissure in the scheme of co-operation between these agencies could scarcely be in the public interest.

Perhaps it may be that guns have become the new controlled narcotic substance and thus their imported presence here, like that of the latter, is inevitable. For the ordinary Barbadian, this may be a future too terrible to contemplate. A combination of astute political leadership, the committed co-operation of the responsible authorities and judicious parenting would serve us all in good stead to alleviate the problem.

Endnote: To reinforce my thesis of a few weeks ago that many of the issues arising for debate in the local public forum are akin to nothing if not recurring decimals, I have chosen today to reuse a column first published in this space on August 22 2015 as The guns of August. The title has obviously been changed to reflect the contemporary discourse. Alas, little else has in this regard.


154 thoughts on “The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – The Guns of January

  1. What Freedom Crier and 45gov have failed to tell you all is that in America legal gun are used again family and friends more than the criminals…

  2. Freedom Crier

    In America gun owership is at its highest in Texas, and violent crime is at its lowest

    Question: so why hasn’t Texas made the list of the 10 safest state in America? One of the list that I have read listed Texas the 45th safest state in America, so it is quite obvious that gun owership doesn’t make a difference here Sir?

  3. @ Cacophony January 28, 2019 5:23 AM
    What about Chicago a Gun Free Zone How well is that working out for them?

  4. Lexicons January 28, 2019 5:13 AM AKA Cacophony

    What Freedom Crier and 45gov have failed to tell you all is that in America legal gun are used again family and friends more than the criminals…

    Seems like you are a Phony like your Comments! BTW Freedom Crier is a Woman not afraid of the likes of you!

  5. @ Hants at 9 :40 PM

    You are so perspicacious.
    No advice from the Police Service Commission . Nothing for the GG to act upon.

    Did the COP ask the PSC for a consultant? Or was this a recommendation that came from the action team to wrestle the upsurge in criminal behaviour to the ground.

    In the latter case if the COP was part of this action team ,he would/should have had an input into the decision making process. It is improper to ask him.
    More importantly is the action conducive to good management in a disciplinary organisation/force?

    Just thinking aloud for those who find the moves unusual.

  6. james Greene do you know how much info this blogmaster has sent to the police, child care board, media over the years of BU’s existence? Then we have buffoons who come on the blog spouting Rh about keyboard warriors?
    Back to ignore mode.(Quote)

    This says it all. Anonymous bloggers beware.

  7. @ Barbados Underground Whistleblower

    You said and I quote

    “…It would need an external Agency in Scotland Yard or FBI/DEA to cleanup Barbados but the Government who also include many dirty players would never allow that as some of their own would be ensnared…”

    Last week de ole man started to write an article about a solution to this problem with Crime in Barbados

    I took some time to list countries in the news that have similar corruption issues at the level of their respective Royal Baygon Police Force, their judiciary and their Courts

    And I interweaved the article with incidents or purported infelicities locally

    I even spoke to the fallout of that proposal to import an independent authority citing examples in the UK in the early 2000’s and many other places.

    Then I stopped the article and asked myself “…why publish it? Why be the Tin Foil Conspiracist whose many submissions are mostly seen as anti Mugabe?”

    Why be the only person who thinks that an article of this type merits its own blog?

    So I looked at it for 2 days after it was done and de ole man said “It is Enough…”

    They for the most part seem content to wallow in the more as sheeple do.

    Looka the sexually confused Sir Siple Simon and her comments, which like meaningless appendages adorn the website.

    Addendum inconsequential.

    Then I looked and saw a new? Group of warriors in the fray, Donna, Theophillus, you Barbados Underground Whistleblower T. Inniss, Northern Observer, and others who are “new” whose names are on the tip of my tongue but who de ole brain cannot recall right now

    I do not list the old warriors, like Bush Tea, the Sage Annunaki, WARU, Brother Hants, 1/3 of the BU BORG but wunna know I have you in high regard

    You should notice the way the new Mugabe Defense Force team now assemble here on BU and speak of you as a tag team. Dem does not mention de ole man cause I ent part of dat dissention heheheheh



    The Honourable Blogmaster will do what he is good at and keep the idjots off the website BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP HITTING HARD WITH YOUR CONTENT and bring your friends to read!!!

    Jeff Cumberbatch is a patriot.

    When he posts his articles if wunna reads de content you “see” what he is saying.

    He post on every single issue that is going on in Barbados everything!! EDUCATION, THE COURTS, THE CONSTITUTION, CHANGES TO THE CONSTITUTION, ELECTORAL CHALLENGES EVERYTHING!!

    And, the Honourable Blogmaster posts them.

    Do you guys understand that?

    They both are doing their part!

    David “screamed” the other day about wanting 5 Afra Raymond’s

    Wunna sheeple seem incapable of understanding what he is saying.

    They give us the opportunity to use our voices but wunna got to “up de volume” though cause, after a while even collosii falter, when you converse with sheeple instead of people.

    Watch them gather and bleat baaaa

  8. DpD,

    One will not put it away if one means to use it.

    I know about the laws but the people who mean to use the guns don’t care.

  9. Freedom Crier

    You have made my point with respect to Chicago… I want less guns in hands of legal and illegal people, and you are of the misconception that gun owership reduces crime, but the statistics aren’t on your side…

  10. @David

    I understand that K Forde (former Deputy Com. Of Police in TO) has an article in the weekend paper concerning the use of the Defense Force in crime fighting is it possible to reproduce here?

  11. Vincent @ 8 :52 a.m.

    Those are very interesting points you are raising and ones that a legal maguffy reading might wish to give an opinion on.

  12. Donna…they still will do nothing because all their names will call in every crime…, it will be the same old corruption, guns and drugs on the streets, same old blighted, nonfunctional Supreme Court…they have never fixed anything and wouldn’t know how to start now..

  13. @David

    Don’t know, someone told me they saw an article in the local paper, I assumed it was Sunday in any event they promised to keep a hard copy for me.

  14. @David January 28, 2019 4:17 PM “Which of the days was the article published?”

    Ex-cop’s take on arresting crime by Tony Best, Sunday Sun, January 27, 2019, page 15 A

    A Bajan who was a top crime fighter and police administrator in Canada thinks Barbados can and must successfully fight the rising incidence of crime or face the fallout.

  15. Freedom Crier

    Gun control is not about guns

    Huum … not when innocent children are slaughtered at Sandy Hook and Columbine … man you really need to get your head check if you believe that lie…

    Now they’re people who genuinely want to see less guns on the streets of America both legal and illegal and I am one of them because I haven’t touched a gun since I’ve left the Military … Because I know the dangers associated with them …

  16. It is a full page article, with a photograph on about 1/4 of the page. In bullet points at the end of the article Forde is quoted as saying:

    “Barbados should launch an ongoing police recruiting program in schools, the community and the university to sow seeds that underscore the importance of policing as a career.

    Expand and keep up police visibility, especially in crime hot spots, using officers in uniform.

    Use community intelligence-led policing to deal with crime. Fighting crime is not haphazard, it must be led by knowledge.

    Monitor criminals in and out of prison.

    Remain mindful that tourism is Barbados’ lifeblood and crime can scare away visitors.”


    “We don’t want that to happen. When I read reports in the media and listen to Bajans, I realise our country is not the same Barbados we used to know. I want to see it safe for its people and for visitors. That’s important.”

  17. A LITTLE GUN HISTORY…Gun control is not about guns it about Control

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

    56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: You won’t see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

    Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

    Take note before it’s too late!

    During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

    You’re not imagining it; history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.

    If you value your Freedom, please spread this anti-gun-control message to all of your friends.






    The next time someone talks in favour of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

    With guns, we are “citizens”. Without them, we are “subjects”.

  18. Uniformed police, working in communities, knowing everyone on their patches, recruit more officers (and get rid of the defence force). All brilliant suggestions. I wonder if this man is available as a consultant to the attorney general/prime minster?

  19. Lexicon is correct when he says that in the United States guns are often used against family and friends. But i will add that guns are also frequently used against self. See the data below. Most of those U.S. suicides are by gun. The good thing about keeping guns out of the hands of most people is that any of us are subject to depression and other mental illness. If/when we become ill guns ought NOT to be readily available.

    United States 13.7 suicides per 100,000 people.

    Barbados 0.4 suicides per 100,000 people.

    We could if guns were readily available have a suicide rate 34 times as high as it is now.

    Something that we all need to think about.

  20. @Freedom Crier January 28, 20196:11 PM “With guns, we are “citizens”. Without them, we are “subjects”.”

    But Freedom Crier: We are subjects anyhow, since the head of state of Barbados is the British monarch, Queen Elizabeth the Second, and we are her subjects, so giving us all guns won’t change our reality. Lolll!!!

  21. January 28, 2019 5:54 PM Freedom Crier
    “Gun control is not about guns Huum … not when innocent children are slaughtered at Sandy Hook and Columbine … man you really need to get your head check if you believe that lie”…

    It is Imperative that We Recognize the Smoke and Mirror Curve Ball Tactics of the Left….

    Soft Targets
    Democrats continue their Strategy of “Let No Crisis Go To Waste”, and the latest school shooting is no exception.

    Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation…
    It doesn’t help to ban! Someone bent on hurting people will also BREAK THE LAWS. 138 killed in school shootings since 2012… 650 killed in Chicago by guns in 2017… Chicago has the most stringent gun bans in the US. Shooters have a sense of more power when they know there is a “gun-free” zone and no one will shoot back! Sandy Hook Ele, the event in Las Vegas, plus several of the High Schools and the military base had gun-free zones.

    Pay for Security! Metal detectors!
    More realistic background checks! Internet algorithms… people need to be responsible in reporting …investigate reports and don’t drop the ball for people who are off for what ever the reason! Get them the help they need… if threatening to harm themselves and/or others. Crack down on the BLACK MARKET, illegally putting weapons into the hands of thugs and criminals, especially those with homicidal tendencies!

  22. i am not too sure about this, but from what i am hearing Mr Dottin is not the CoP consultant but rather the Govt Consultant for Policing. there is a difference you see.

  23. @ James Greene,

    They are playing with words, if this is true. All it means is that the prime minister has a consultant so-called second guessing the commissioner. This is humiliating.

  24. FALSE FLAGS has two agendas.
    To SHIFT public attention from critical debate/outcry/disclosure to another by any means necessary, and
    Move to confiscate Constitutional RIGHTS or privileges through new laws to strengthen control and hidden agendas..

  25. Sir Simple Simon, P.C. January 28, 2019 6:24 PM

    @Freedom Crier January 28, 20196:11 PM “With guns, we are “citizens”. Without them, we are “subjects”.”

    But Freedom Crier: We are subjects anyhow, since the head of state of Barbados is the British monarch, Queen Elizabeth the Second, and we are her subjects, so giving us all guns won’t change our reality. Lolll!!!”

    A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally (more guns = less crime).

    Nations with strict gun control laws have substantially higher murder rates than those who do not in general. In fact, the 9 European nations with the lowest gun ownership rate have a combined murder rate 3x that of the 9 European nations with the highest gun ownership rate!

    “Most violent country in EU”


    2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people in UK

    466 violent crimes per 100,000 people in USA

    In the decade following the Labor party’s election and banning of handguns in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77% to 1.2 million in ’07- or more than 2 attacks every minute!

    Kitchen knives are being used in as many as half of all stabbings in the United Kingdom.

    What about ACID Attacks SSS?

    To Stop a Bad Man Hell Bent on doing Evil you need a Good Man with a Gun!

    Nobody wants to talk about the real cause the only want to talk about the Issues. People do not want to follow God so they do these things. We have become a Godless Society. People prefer to debate the Issues which are Preferential Rather than look at the Root Cause!!

  26. Freedom Crier

    Go and read the Frontier Thesis if you really want a history lesson of gun control in America or rather the Turner Thesis …

  27. Ugly indeed when the PMs brother is all over Facebook complete with photo, something to do with people’s stolen properties, stolen land, stolen money…stolen this and stolen that…

    ….I suppose they all think it is a good look, theft and corruption, corruption and theft…bribery and theft, theft and bribery…AND FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE……makes them feel important…right up there with the world class thieves..whom they all worship and emulate..

  28. Have you noticed that both the Nation and Barbados Today have published photographs of the man accused of the St Lucy murders? Is identification an issue? Is his lawyer gong to claim he cannot get a fair trial? Is there a need for good journalism training n Barbados or is ths a Bajan thing?

  29. @Freedom Crier January 28, 2019 6:54 PM “To Stop a Bad Man Hell Bent on doing Evil you need a Good Man with a Gun!”

    So what should we do when we encounter a bad man armed with a gun and hell bent on doing evil?

  30. @Hal Austin February 1, 2019 2:27 PM “Have you noticed that both the Nation and Barbados Today have published photographs of the man accused of the St Lucy .”

    By the time the young man comes to trial most of us won’t remember his face nor his name. Unlike elite journalists, most lay people have very poor recall of faces and names.

    A few years ago several young men were charged with the murder by fire of the 6 young women on Tudor Street. if any one of them walked in my door now I wouldn’t recognize him. Scary perhaps. But nevertheless true.

  31. @ Simple Simon,

    You again. I am not talking about your memory, I am talking about the law and a fair trial. Where is the attorney general? Where s the DPP? Where is the young lad’s lawyer? The Barbados legal system must be better than this.

  32. @Hal Austin February 1, 2019 5:05 PM “You again. I am not talking about your memory, I am talking about the law and a fair trial.”

    But Hal, the jury is going to be chosen from people just like me (I know a very, very scary thought). The jury is not going to be chosen from a group which includes the Attorney General, the Director of Public Prosecution or the young lad’s lawyer.

    Simpletons, just like me will be the jury.

    Just like me.

  33. @ Simple,

    A person accused of an imprisonable offence has a human right to a fair trial, this is particularly so in a serious offence such as alleged murder.. If the person pleads not guilty and identification is part of his/her defence, it is important that we cannot and should not contaminate the jury by publishing an evidence that is likely to identify the person. Judges are trained to put these things to one side, juries are not.
    It is the job of the attorney general to protect this process by either warning off the media from identifying the accused, or, f necessary, dragging the editor of the publication in to the dock. Failing that, the DPP should also issue a warning or, independently, bring the editor to trial. In the case of the defence lawyer, it is her/his role to defend his/her client by insisting on a fair trial.
    I am afraid your reasoning has no relevance and I cannot explain this any more simply. I am out of the conversation.

  34. Thanks for the “lesson” even though I knew very well the traditional reasoning behind not publishing photographs of accused people.

    However prosecuting an editor would be very like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, because long before the photo was published by mainstream media it was in circulation on social media. You see states, even states as powerful as the United Kingdom, the United States, China, Russia etc. have long since lost authority over what can and cannot be published. What can be done? Prosecute and punish an editor to make an “example” of him/her when tens of thousand, maybe even hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of people have already seen the photograph?

    For better or for worse social media has changed the way things work.

  35. Anyone with a cell phone camera and without a minute’s worth of journalism training can and do publish photographs, and no state in the world has the power to prevent that.

    Neither do I.

    Neither do you.

  36. A man accused of hitting another with a stick via a video which went viral on social media last month, has earned his release from remand at Her Majesty’s Prison at Dodds.
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    Canute Hiran Ward, a 36-year-old gardener, of Dayrells Road, Christ Church, was been granted $10 000 bail earlier today. He had been accused of doing serious bodily harm to Ramar Nurse with intent to maim, disfigure or disable him, while at Fitts Village, St James, on January 2.
    A video circulating on social media showing a man striking Nurse with a piece of wood, had caused a public outcry.
    Ward who reappeared before Magistrate Wanda Blair this morning, was represented by Queen’s Counsel Michael Lashley, Dayna Taylor-Lavine and Kadisha Wickham.
    He returns to court on June 7. (RA)(Quote)

    Here s another example of an apparent abuse of the sentencing system. In a society crippled by shootings and stabbings, a man hits a man with a stick, which is wrong, but does t merit being remanded n prison? Or a Bds$10000 bal.? Who trains these magistrates?
    Where is the bar association? Where s the voce of parliamentarians? Where s the voice of the church?
    What do you expect this young an and his friends to think about justice in Barbados after this despicable act of injustice?
    Barbados is a failed society. It will all end in tears and arming the defence force or calling in the RSS will not help. There will be blood in the streets.

  37. This is the kind of appalling ignorance that passes as scholarship in Barbados. Is the church a law enforcement agency? Do we want to arm our Anglicans and put them on the streets to combat crime like Jihadists?
    Of course, there is an argument about the pastoral work of the Anglicans – all churches and other religions in Barbados, but Professor Marshall seems to miss that social dimension.
    There is an urgent need for a national conversation on crime, especially violent crime, but this does not add to our body of knowledge.

    Historian Trevor Marshall has cast shame on the nation’s oldest church for allowing violent crime to spiral upward, and called on members to lead the fight against lawlessness.
    Delivering the annual Dean’s Lecture of the St Michael Centre for Faith and Action, Marshall asserted that 50 years after the Anglican Church was disestablished as the state church, Anglicans continue to be the largest group and must resume their leadership role.
    “The Anglican Church should be ashamed of the fact at the end of April 2018 we had 10 murders: five months; two per month. At the end of January 2019, we had nine murders,” he said to a small audience at the Frank Collymore Hall, including the newly enthroned Anglican, Bishop Michael Maxwell.
    Marshall said: “This is part of the charge to the church to come out of your comfort zone. Don’t get in your tinted cars and drive away from the church meetings and services on Sunday.
    Spend some time in pastoral activities, not just visiting to give [comfort] to persons at the point of death. Go out there as Jesus said, in the highways and byways
    “This is part of the charge to Bishop Maxwell.”
    Confessing that though born into the Anglican Church, he had become a backslider, or apostate, Marshall said he remains an Anglican.
    The historian told audience: “I’ll die an Anglican and I want us who are going to die Anglicans to do something for the Barbadian community before we die, under the leadership of Bishop Maxwell.
    “Make it a point every Sunday or whatever to go to them [young lawbreakers] in the highways and byways. These are the highways and byways of which Jesus spoke.”
    Marshall cautioned against being seen to recommend that parishioners attempt to take the Word of God to troubled spots controlled by criminal gangs such as the so-called “Red Sea” gang, saying their lives may be at risk.
    “But put on your robes ride around . . . with the policemen, or precede the police and go to these places because these guys who killing one another are just little boys,” he said.
    Marshall continued: “Ten years ago, some of them were church members in your choir and the sang Once in Royal David’s City. Seven years later they say, ‘If I die bury me with my gun’.
    “So, the church has failed, the primary schools have failed, the secondary schools have failed.
    The church, can do something to make that situation better. Only you can lead.”
    While suggesting that when news breaks of a child gone bad, teachers tend to blame poor parenting, but “the church cannot say that. The church has a moral obligation to make sure that our young people do not go the way of gangsters, the church above anything else”.
    Noting that increased violent crime is not only afflicting Barbados but that “the Caribbean is in uproar”, he criticized Anglican ministers for merely saying in soft voices “lay down the guns”.
    “The church then must come here and say, ‘you put down that gun. I got bigger guns, Jesus Christ. He is going to deal with you. And there is a hereafter’,” he said to the audience of Anglican clerics and laypeople.
    In addition to meeting gangsters and potential gangsters in the streets, Marshall also suggested that “all of our ministers should visit those young people in jail”.
    The historian, who has lectured at the Community College and the University of the West Indies, spoke of courtyard ‘bravado’ among young alleged offenders when entering or leaving the magistrate’s courts, but added, “when they get up there [prison] and that door slams behind them they begin to cry”.
    “Some people who have been there, accused of murder etcetera and they say, ‘it is no fun’. The basic human misses freedom and you have no education; lots of them superannuated from school.”
    He told Anglicans that visiting these youngsters “is your charge”.
    “You must not leave it just to volunteers and charitable people to deal with our swelling or burgeoning prison population. Deal with them,” he added.(Quote)

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