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Submitted by Mohammed Degia

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The Caribbean Community group of countries or CARICOM has for a long time feigned at having a common foreign policy. While this may be true with respect to some issues on the international agenda, particularly in the area of development, this pretence of unity dissipates on high-stake political matters. One only has to look at the USA invasion of Iraq, the China/Taiwan recognition question, the Shiprider Agreement, Article 98 Agreements, ALBA or Venezuela. Add to this list, yesterday’s UN General Assembly vote on the status of Jerusalem.

Donald Trump and his administration’s many shenanigans have dominated the news for many months. For the past two and a half weeks, the events surrounding Trump’s announcement that the USA recognises Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and will relocate its Embassy to there from its current location in Tel Aviv have been paid considerable attention to worldwide.

Following this unilateral announcement by the Trump administration and the concern expressed by the international community, a draft UN Security Council resolution was tabled in response. The text was put to a vote on Monday 18th and expectedly the US used its veto to thwart its adoption. The draft document spoke to the need to abide by previous Security Council resolutions on the status of Jerusalem. If it had been adopted, the resolution would have affirmed “that any decisions and actions which purport to have altered, the character, status or demographic composition of the Holy City of Jerusalem have no legal effect, are null and void and must be rescinded in compliance with relevant resolutions of the Security Council.” It would also have called on all States “to refrain from the establishment of diplomatic missions in the Holy City of Jerusalem.” Fourteen of the fifteen Security Council members- the other four permanent members and all 10 non-permanent members- voted in favour.

The US Ambassador to the UN, former South Carolina Governor, Nikki Haley once again showcased her diplomatic immaturity and her seeming intent to rival one of her predecessors, John Bolton, in his disastrous stint. After her tirade at the Council vote, she followed up with tweets and a letter to UN member states warning them not to support an anticipated UN General Assembly resolution on the issue. According to her, the US would take names of those who voted in favour of the resolution. Not to be outdone, Trump also threatened countries if they supported the resolution, contending that votes would be watched and aid cut.

A UN General Assembly resolution from 1950 called “Uniting for Peace” makes a provision for the General Assembly to consider a matter immediately “if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression”. Acting in their respective roles as Chair of the Arab Group and Chair of the Summit of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, Yemen and Turkey requested the President of the General Assembly to resume the tenth emergency special session of the General Assembly and tabled the same draft resolution for the deliberation of the special session.

Final tally of UNGA vote on “Status of Jerusalem” resolution. Photo courtesy of un.org

UN General Assembly resolutions are non-binding so this would have only moral weight and be a symbolic demonstration of the international community’s opposition to Trump’s actions. The resolution was adopted by the General Assembly with a vote of 128 in favour, 9 against and 35 abstaining. The USA and Israel cast negative votes naturally. They were joined by Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Nauru and Palau, four of the set of Pacific islands that always vote on these types of resolutions in the way they are directed to by certain countries. Guatemala, Honduras and Togo rounded out the no votes, unable obviously to withstand the pressure they had been placed under. Those abstaining were a medley of African, Asian, Caribbean, Latin American and Eastern European countries along with Australia and Canada. A similar assortment of African, Asian, Caribbean, Latin American and Eastern European countries numbering 21 did not participate in the voting. Thus 128 countries expressed unreserved backing for the resolution while in one way or another 65 did not support it. Although it was a decisive statement of validation for the status of Jerusalem and a rejection of Trump’s action, it was in no way an overwhelming victory. Of particular note is that Nikki Haley has invited these 65 countries to a reception on January 3rd to thank them for their friendship.

UNGA voting screen showing breakdown of how countries voted on “Status of Jerusalem” resolution. Photo courtesy of trendsmap.com

I will not delve into the international legal arguments about the status of Jerusalem and the illegal nature of the unilateral US action. Enough has been written about that. Neither will I, even though I am tempted to, address certain stark truths about Palestine and Jerusalem such as:

  1. the fact that the Palestinian Authority is a corrupt entity that colludes fully with Israel and the USA in the occupation of Palestine and acts as an enforcer for the Zionists;
  2. the so-called Muslim world is a huge mess and many of its tyrants and despots, led by the Egyptians, aid and abet the oppression of Muslims and Christians in Palestine. I had touched on the Egyptian governments hypocrisy on Palestine when I wrote about an Egyptian Minister’s racist remarks last year;
  3. Oslo and the so-called peace process is a farce that was created specifically to legitimise the colonial settler entity of Israel and ensure that if the Palestinians do ever have a state, it will be an unviable set of Bantustans. Edward Said tackled this masterfully in his “Peace and its Discontents.”

I want to touch on CARICOM and the way some of the group chose to vote or not vote. CARICOM countries speak often and loudly about how powerful, large states should not marginalise those that are small or weaker. They stress the importance of multilateralism and international law in this regard and how important these norms are in ensuring all voices are heard. One wonders therefore how seven of the fourteen CARICOM countries that are members of the UN found themselves not supporting this resolution. A resolution which is clear cut about international law and the necessity of states to abide by it. The unilateral declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is in direct contravention of Security Council resolutions and international law. Two key allies of Israel and the USA that are permanent members of the Security Council –France and the UK- voted in favour of the resolution. That is telling. Yet, Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Haiti, Jamaica and Trinidad and Tobago saw it necessary to reject international law. St. Kitts and Nevis and St. Lucia did not think it even necessary to participate in the voting. This is a preferred course of action employed for many years by some CARICOM countries and especially those from the OECS when there is a controversial vote. I have always thought it to be a cowardly way to deal with an uncomfortable subject.

Dealing with difficult topics is not something we in the Caribbean like to do and the reality is that the meetings of the Council for Foreign and Community Relations (COFCOR) and Heads of Government are largely talk shops where documents are churned out yearly with no clear strategy and no implementation of what little is contained in those documents. The region operates mostly in reactionary mode and is constantly playing catch up. I am unsure whether any attempt was made to coordinate a CARICOM position on the Jerusalem issue. I would not be at all surprised, based on my knowledge and experience of the region, to hear that there wasn’t any. Moreover, the region is prone to disunity and larger countries are well aware that the carrot and stick approach deployed in various ways is an effective tool to split the group and achieve their goals.

The way forward for CARICOM is a practical one. First, how can the region progress beyond this inertia to an actual dynamic foreign-policy coordinating process which produces bold, strategic actions? Second, how can the region move from paying lip service to multilateralism and international law to acting in a principled manner whenever these cogs of the global system are compromised? The answer rests in the two complimenting each other. The regional integration process requires a revival, both from a political perspective and at the bureaucratic level in the Secretariat. A CARICOM that is unified in understanding the challenges and opportunities presented by the international arena should certainly be able to confront them much more meaningfully and successfully. In addition, a CARICOM whose bonds are strong will be a much more difficult prospect for countries that depend on divide and rule and carrot and stick methods of diplomacy.

Of course this is all theoretical and easy to spell out on paper. In reality, we have a group of small islands clinging tightly to notions of sovereignty and political leaders in possession of large egos and for whom any sense of relinquishing a minuscule amount of power is beyond comprehension. This is one of the main reasons why the regional integration project has not been realised. The movement and interaction of people throughout the region has been an ongoing feature of life in the Caribbean for as long as anyone can remember. Instead of building on these deep people to people links through the creation of strong institutions, political leaders have simply paid lip service and engaged in useless rhetoric. It is time for the people of the region to demand more of their political leaders and hold them accountable.

251 responses to “CARICOM Disarray on UN General Assembly “Status of Jerusalem” Vote”


  1. I WAS EXPECTING YOU TO COME WITH SOME BS
    YOU CAN NOT HELP IT CAN YOU?

    I HAVE RIGHTLY DIVIDED THE WORD OF TRUTH, NEVERTHELESS
    HOPEFULLY SOMEONE SOMEWHERE WILL LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT THE WORD SAYS ON THE MATTER .


  2. RE lawson December 24, 2017 at 3:31 PM #
    AC you are such a moron , obama got in because white people voted for him
    LAWSON YOU GOT TO BE CAREFUL WUH YOU SAYING HERE?
    A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN I SAID THAT I WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS VOTED IN BY ”
    NON RACIST” WHITES AND DAT DE DEMS WERE VOTED OUT BY RACIST WHITES.

    SO YOU GOT TO SAY obama got in because NON RACIST white people voted for him AH LIE?


  3. @lawson

    Many who post to BU agree that Obama fell short in the expectations of many after he projected such hope to the world that he would have been an agent of change. That said he has not done any worse than his predecessor.


  4. I speak of the white supermacist who went on a witch hunt to demeane Obama i will bet that none of them voted for Obama including Trump whose hatred for Obama was real and obvious to the point of a wierd imagination of Obama place of birth


  5. lawson are you trying to deny that there are white supremacist in USA all with racist and political agendas
    You telling me whites vited for Obama says nothing. Blacks voted and so were others of ethic race and religion.however the only race to be asking for america to be white again is that group of the white race
    So do not come here trying to twist facts with your shortsighted version of truth


  6. What Lawson is saying is that in a dominant White populated USA Obama could NOT have won unless Whites voted for him. It is not anything that should be difficult to understand.

  7. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Georgie Porgie December 24, 2017 at 2:57 PM

    GP, are you trying to tell the Pontiff what to do with his religion?

    The representative of St. Peter on Earth (yes, the same Peter who disowned your Jesus) and the ‘Christian’ commander-in-chief is right when he says the traditional Lord’s Prayer does imply that your god likes to tempt humans and lead them astray just to have fun when he is bored to death.

    If he (Yahweh) did it with Abraham by encouraging to him commit infanticide and by allowing his only ‘begotten’ son Jesus to be led away into the desert and into the mountains to be wooed and entertained by Satan (so the fable goes) what would you think would befall simple frail naïve creatures like yourself and Zoe?


  8. I understand that whites voted for Obama.however Lawson stating that whites voted for Obama does not in any way refute the fact that the white supremacist were behind demeaning and disrespecting Obama Presidency. There is only one issue of concern which hinges on racism and that is one of influential white supremacist idealogies and political agendas which were sufficient enough to cause more racial divide during Obama presidency
    The truth being that there is sufficient racial divide to place blame where it should be placed and that is right into the hands of the white supermacist and not Obama

  9. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    “What Lawson is saying is that in a dominant White populated USA Obama could NOT have won unless Whites voted for him.”

    The same way many whites were very much behind the abolition of slavery.

    It if was left up to blacks alone to secure their own freedom, Martin Luther King JR would have been the shoeshine boy to Rhett Butler playing the part of Master Maxwell of the Falconhurst.

    There are many more white people with good moral character than those blacks (like the ones in the Bajan Parliament) who would sell the shackle of their enslaved great-great grand parents for a snack box from KFC or for a plate of diabetes-causing cake from PriceSmart.


  10. Whether the election of Obama was an ‘aberration’ or not it was was just a stage in the process of change. The USA is what it is i.e. a country that about 50/60 years ago blacks enjoyed limited freedoms.


  11. All this talk about whites voted for Obama does not at all sway me into a false sense of security. All it does is to reinforce in my mind that whites does what they think is best for them.
    When one look at the economic upheveal that occcured under Bush before Obama was elected
    The white merchant class was fedup and looking for a fresh face and easy way out to repair america moral high ground in the world and who else would foot the bill but Obama a virtual unknown having little experience or being afflicted by the stains and stench of political corruption
    A new kid on the block with no political damage


  12. ‘We’ll Remember This Day’: US Finally ‘Resorts to Openly Blackmailing Allies’

    Commenting on the fallout from Washington’s threats to cut aid to its allies if they voted against the US’s Jerusalem decision at the UN, Russian geopolitical analyst Gevorg Mirzayan outlined why this attempt at blackmail is really a signifier of the decline of US global geopolitical hegemony.

    SNIP

    Washington, according to the analyst, “no longer wants to, or rather cannot, maintain its global dominance through leadership (including soft power, persuasion, the search for compromises with allies). Instead, it has turned to methods of domination, and above all, to political and military coercion. This is not so much an initiative of Trump himself (even if his tough view of world politics undoubtedly contributed to this transformation), as an objective process resulting from the crisis of American leadership —the inability of the US to maintain a unipolar world order and its reluctance to recognize this fact.”

    https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201712231060273006-us-general-assembly-vote-consequences/


  13. BTW what happened to all the millions of whites the second time around when the election was called
    why did they all disappear ?
    some you thinking that whites voting for Obama in the first election sent a signal of whites love of Obama is clearly fooled
    The USA political machinery needed Obama , and for one purpose, Americas image throughout the world was being tarnished because of the global meltdown, No one had the stomach to deal with the corrupt politicians of that era especially any one of them seeking the presidency
    Obama was clearly used as a corrective measure on moral grounds, The world loved and accepted Obama as a man of hope and moral value
    Meanwhile in the USA the politics of racial destruction continued to fester one which all saw and see and one which can be characterized as a lightning rod to sabotage Obama presidency with the now president Donald Trump stoking the fire

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    millertheanunnaki

    @ GreenMonkey December 24, 2017 at 5:50 PM
    “”This is not so much an initiative of Trump himself (even if his tough view of world politics undoubtedly contributed to this transformation), as an objective process resulting from the crisis of American leadership —the inability of the US to maintain a unipolar world order and its reluctance to recognize this fact.””

    The Jerusalem monkey spanner is just another distraction concocted by Trump’s advisers to take the World’s focus away from the real bugbear facing the US.

    North Korea’s rocket man has declared WAR and poor Trump is so afraid that even Neville Chamberlain would be sympathetic to his act of cowardice.

    Now what would it take to appease Mr. Rocketman? $40 billion in foreign money by way of aid would do just fine.

    Meanwhile, Mexico is waiting with bated breath for the first invoice covering the mobilization fee for the construction of that wall of gringo dreams.

    BTW, did North Korea and Mexico vote on the recent UN resolution to make Israel a persona non grata in global entente cordiale?


  15. I cannot understand how some people wont accept the fact that a majority of people vote for who they believe will do the best job by the policies and attributes of the person running with the good outweighing the bad in their minds. For instance obama was eloquent, clean cut family man a lot of white people like that, Marion Barry was a rogue and a druggy who was also voted in by the majority but only one along the race lines that AC is suggesting. I like to believe that most people think for themselves but AC again says that we are mind controlled by the merchant class. I am not sure if that is a barbados thing. So how does a mule faced dyke like kathleen wynne with horrible policies get voted in you may ask , I think good people just figured this guy is probably as good as the next guy.


  16. @David Mr Blogmaster, well said above. Aberration or whatever it has definitively set a precedent away from the White Male model.

    With the ascendancy of Trump (and it’s not as simple as a backlash to Obama) the stage is now set for the first female president.

    Not sure if a Nikki Haley (both female and ethnic) can be the right choice but she certainly has an excellent chance.

    The Dems have a problem in finding just the right mix but they too have some possible female candidates.

    The perfect storm for the Repubs would be a disgraceful exit for Trump coupled with a related slap down for Pence paving the way for Haley in 2020 on the back of the expected continued uptick in the US economy.

    She was absolutely shrewd to go after the UN post….stays in the spotlight and can ride the good news but is away from the home-front sewerage of most of Trump’s awful bombast. If she has the ambition she is the one to watch.

    When you read that punditry in the Broad sheets remember it was on BU first! 🙂


  17. Dribbler is….nancy pelosi ..elizabeth warren….maxime watters and frederika wilson the women you are talking about


  18. After George Bush’s presidency – with the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles, the financial mess-up, and the low esteem with which the USA was held around the world, The USA was in need of a suitable scapegoat to take the blame for the poor state of the union…

    Who better than Obama?

    Shiite man … even Lawson would have voted for the ‘bama

    Somewhat like in Blazing Saddles
    Bushie can just see Lawson voting for Richard Pryor as sheriff….
    …and then being pissed that he turned out to be a boss office hit…
    LOL
    ha ha ha

  19. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Lawson…I keep telling you, whites did not do Obama any favors by voting for him, he saved their asses AFTER lying George Bush and his devious, dangerous administration bankrupted the country…..so.get ya facts straight.

  20. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Lawson, you never fail to be funny bro…Nancy Pelosi, you say ….yep just the one.

    I think you know that Warren as liberal as she is and Harris along with the ‘light weight’ Gillarbrand are solid options with some ….just some…outside chance at the WH.

    But Haley is right now the best of the lot.

    Anyhow long way away. It’s all about Mia soon. She will finally ascend to her coveted throne.


  21. Greenie
    The only new about this ‘whitemailing’ by the Americans is that the whole world can now see it openly.


  22. dribbler do not over look tulsi gabbard she would have a good chance

  23. Well Well & Cut N' Paste At Your Service Avatar
    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Pacha…re whitemailing…

    Same thing my daughter and her husband said.


  24. Of course most people accepted that whites voted for Obama. But blacks were not fooled by this symbolic gesture of Kumbayah


  25. Trump’s National Security Speech
    By Paul Craig Roberts

    This is nothing but feel-good talk. Trump is repeating the lies because the lies make him look good. What Trump should be doing is pointing out the meaninglessness of the unemployment rate, because it doesn’t count the unemployed, only those few who looked for a job in the last 4 weeks. He should be pointing out that the stock market is not a sign of a growing economy but a sign of massive money creation by the central banks of the US, EU, UK, and Japan. The massive printing of money has flooded into paper assets, driving up their price and further enriching the One Percent.

    Trump says that one leg of the strategy is to “preserve peace through strength.” What peace is he talking about? In the past two decades Washington has destroyed in whole or part eight countries and overthrown democratic governments in others. Is Trump equating peace with Washington’s wars? No other country has initiated wars and invasions and bombings and aggressive military actions on other countries’ borders. Trump says that America is threatened by enemies and to protect us the military will be enlarged. He said he was overturning the “defense sequester,” something that clearly does not exist.

    My conclusion is that Trump has surrendered to the real rulers of America—the powerful interest groups such as the military/security complex, the Israel Lobby, the environmental polluters, Wall Street and the banks “too big to fail.”

    America is a country in which despite the hopes flyover America had in Trump, an oligarchy rules. The American people, regardless of who they elect, have no voice, no input, no representation.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/12/19/trumps-national-security-speech/


  26. ac December 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM #
    lawson are you trying to deny that there are white supremacist in USA all with racist and political agendas
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The KKK is the product of the Democrats, a fact of history!!

    Surely they voted for Obama, a Democrat?

    What on earth would have caused them to shift their support to Trump as you suppose?


  27. America is a country in which despite the hopes flyover America had in Trump, an oligarchy rules. The American people, regardless of who they elect, have no voice, no input, no representation.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    So, same applies for Obama!!

  28. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @Bernard, of course “…a father [can] give his children tests to measure their development “. That is the essence of being a good father as far as I perceive that role.

    Thus I would disagree with the perspective that the Holy Father does not lead into tempatation and readily frame it as his continual testing us on whether we will partake of another dangerous ‘fruit of life’.

    Incidentally to what are you referring re ” … since part of your original moniker was INRI.”

    @Lawson, what is the joke this time….the pun on the congresswoman’s last name Gabbard re Trumps grabbing….or her Hawaian heritage as a knock on to Obama’s origins there?

    And @John, why do you continue to disgrace your efforts of historical scholarly research with such absolutely disingenuous BS.

    It is ABSURD to offer your fact of history @10:32PM y’day and conclude “Surely they voted for Obama, a Democrat? What on earth would have caused them to shift their support to Trump as you suppose?”

    You are too bright to be so ignorant so obviously you are INGRUNT; no one with your supposed IQ could offer such an ASININE remark.

    The history of the Dem’s and Repubs is well known to anyone who cares to investigate. There is a reason the Republicans LOVE to remind all and sundry that theirs is the party of Abe Lincoln…the one who took a nation to war because of slavery.

    That was then. So indeed the Democratic party of the time were the true blood racists.

    That changed COMPLETELY during the 60s with Pres Johnson…when he also told all and sundry that his and the Democratic party’s support of the civil rights legislation would cause a lost of southern states (in senate) for generations thereafter….

    He was ABSOLUTELY right: All the racists Dems immediately pledged allegiance to the Republican party at the national level …And have since then with few exceptions….like for Jimmy Carter, himself a southerner.

    Everyone should know this well.

    Thus I am trying to understand if that statement above re KKK voting for Obama was made when you were quite high on tampi or on nuff Mount Gay n eggnog!…because the remarks are fundamentally ridiculous and totally illogical.

  29. Are-we-there-yet Avatar

    dPD;

    Spot on! re. John’s inane comments above. How could someone with the great sense that John has shown in many other posts, follow up Green Monkey’s cogent post above with such brassbowlery? It can only lead one to think that most of our bajan “albino” brothers are generally hopelessly flawed and would seamlessly fit into the racist mindset john exemplifies above.

    Chupseeeeeee!


  30. Re Paul Craig Robert’s statement posted above: “America is a country in which despite the hopes flyover America had in Trump, an oligarchy rules. The American people, regardless of who they elect, have no voice, no input, no representation.”

    John said: “So, same applies for Obama!!
    No arguement from me on that. Videos below contain some swearing:

    The late George Carlin: “The Game is Rigged”
    https://youtu.be/AeRd0EJbkC0

    US West Coast comedian Jimmy Dore was a Democrat who found his hope of casting a vote for Bernie Sanders in the presidential election dashed after the DNC collaborated with the Clinton campaign in fixing the primaries. The fix was in to give the more establishment friendly and favoured candidate, Hillary Clinton, the nomination. In the following video he discusses the corruption in the Democratic Party.
    youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=ueQDlyCR3H0


  31. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-secures-dollar285m-cut-in-un-budget/ar-BBHiW7s?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

    Americans wake up to a $285 million Christmas present from their president this morning!!

    “The inefficiency and overspending of the United Nations are well known,” Haley said. “We will no longer let the generosity of the American people be taken advantage of or remain unchecked. This historic reduction in spending – in addition to many other moves toward a more efficient and accountable UN – is a big step in the right direction.”


  32. “The KKK is the product of the Democrats, a fact of history!!”

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Okay, point taken……. but perhaps for reasons of personal aggrandizement, you are purposely forgetting that the Republican Party also mingled in racism as well.

    Since you seem to be “schooled” in American politics, I’m sure you recall the “Southern Strategy,” which was developed by the Republicans to shift its national base to the “Deep South” (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina) by appealing to conservative whites (especially white southerners) disaffected with the Democratic Party by its strong embrace of civil rights laws in the 1960s and its racially egalitarian policies.

    And I’m sure you know of Richard Nixon.

    There are documented cases that prove Donald Trump is a racist……….. but you will want to convince us he has changed………… so what can’t the Democratic Party change as well.


  33. It is ABSURD to offer your fact of history @10:32PM y’day and conclude “Surely they voted for Obama, a Democrat? What on earth would have caused them to shift their support to Trump as you suppose?”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Now if you thought about it a bit you would realise that the Democrats, after screwing the blacks for ages throughout history now, in words at least, openly espouse their cause and cast off their allies, the “white supremacists”!!!!!

    What would you do if you were any of the few remaining self respecting “white supremacists”?

    Change allegiance of course!!

    That’s why they stopped voting Democrat!!!

    The Democrats leff dem out!!

    So the Democrats former allies drop dem like hot potatos … or is it potatoes and look to the other alternative!!

    Why would the Democrats drop dem?

    Because numerically they are an extremely tiny minority and can’t help the Democrats attain power … as Rush Limbaugh opines, you can’t fit all the “white supremacists” in America into a phone booth!!

    How do you hear the Democrats talk about the blacks?

    As numbers, as a demographic that will propel them to power!!

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/12/despite-the-obstacles-black-voters-make-a-statement-in-alabama/548237/


  34. Trump agrees … the game is rigged!!!

    He isn’t no angel neither!!!

    But if the “owners” wanted Hilary Clinton to be president and went so far as to rig things so Bernie would lose and then she turned around and lost, what does that say about Trump?

    Did Trump outwit the owners?

    Is Trump owned by the Hilary Clinton owners?

    Is he owned?

    Was it all a charade?

    I think it was the pareto principle at work.

    Like here in Barbados!!

    40 % are Democrats, 40% are Republicans and 20% decide the outcome!!

    I agree, it is a minority who determine the outcome of an election!!

    Maybe the owners are a sizeable portion of the 20%.

    … or maybe, there are two owners … one owns the Dems and the other the Republicans.


  35. Okay, point taken……. but perhaps for reasons of personal aggrandizement, you are purposely forgetting that the Republican Party also mingled in racism as well.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    I am getting some sport off the blind loyalty people direct at the Democrats and Obama!!

    Of course there are flaws in the Republican party.

    Both are made up of humans.

    But from what I see, some of the flaws in the Republican party when they are brought to light are addressed, the Democrats tend to ignore all of theirs until it is no longer possible to ignore the ones that come to light before trying any corrective action!!


  36. “I am getting some sport off the blind loyalty people direct at the Democrats and Obama!!”
    +++++++++++++++

    I DO NOT have “blind loyalty” for “the Democrats and Obama,” firstly because I am not an American and I do not have any desire of visiting there either………… secondly, IDON’T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT American politics.

    I just decided to give a DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE other than the “one dimensional” opinion you keep presenting, as gospel, to this forum.

    However, I am not “getting some sport,” but I am AMAZED at the blind loyalty people direct at the Republicans and Donald Trump. Some of you treat and speak of Donald Trump (a pathological liar) as though he is a god. But your excuse will be………… “He is only human and would have flaws.”

    And I am also amazed, as was mentioned by another contributor, why you keep INTRODUCING Trump into all the articles posted top this forum for “discussion,” thereby CHANGING the FOCUS on what YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, which ALWAYS seems to be Trump or the Quakers.

    What is your obsession with American politics that you are so driven to FORCE it on us?

    What you could do is post a contribution on Trump or the Quakers for comments, rather than hijack the posts as you had “skillfully” succeeded in doing to the PWC post.


  37. dribbler not joking she was an army vet, seems likable and competant, i am not a vegetarian or from her background but looking at your other she is far superior

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    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    “New US Security Policy Raises Difficult Questions For The Caribbean

    Published:Sunday | December 24, 2017 | 10:56 AM
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    LONDON, CMC – A consultant with the London-based Caribbean Council says the Trump administration’s new United States security policy raises difficult questions for the Caribbean.

    Writing under the syndicated column, “The View from Europe”, David Jessop says that, by law, every US President must publish a national security strategy.

    The objective, he says, is to provide the highest-level guidance on the responses required by the country’s military, diplomatic, and executive branches to real or perceived threats.

    Last Tuesday, following a speech by Trump outlining his approach to national security, Jessop noted that the White House released a 53-three-page document setting out how his administration intends putting “America First” in the world.

    Jessop says the strategy paper paints a bleak picture, seeing all states as being in a” relentless competition for power and influence”.

    The US, the strategy argues, according to Jessop, has been “weak and must now become engaged in a determined struggle to restore the unipolarity it achieved when it won the Cold War”.

    The strategy “all but rejects interdependence and multilateralism, suggesting that what happens in the world today is a zero-sum game in which only by advancing US principles will prosperity spread around the globe,” according to Jessop.

    He noted that the document has some broad themes: ‘America First’ will be the ‘foundation of US leadership in the world through outcomes, not ideology’, a policy described as ‘principled realism’; China and Russia want to ‘shape a world antithetical to our interests and values’, and are perceived to be challenging US power, influence and interests; unless they and others adapt their thinking, the US ‘will compete with all tools of national power’ to ensure ‘that the regions of the world are not dominated by one power’”.

    Whether one accepts the underlying philosophy or the interpretation of history or not, Jessop says that the document has “potentially profound implications for any nation or government that sees the world differently.

    “Although it contains some positive language, for instance on organised crime, corrupt officials, terrorism, and engaging the private sector in development, it suggests that a divide is likely to emerge between the US and the Caribbean if Washington decides to deploy its world view in a regional context,” he writes.

    “Any reading of the whole document suggests numerous points of divergence,” he adds. “The most obvious relates to China, which over the last decade has become for almost all nations in the region an important investor, trade partner, and advocate of issues of vital importance, most notably climate change.”

    Jessop says the section of the new US strategy paper on the Western Hemisphere “could not be clearer”.

    That section says “competitors have found operating space in the hemisphere. China seeks to pull the region into its orbit through state-led investments and loans”.

    The document criticises both Cuba and Venezuela, and Russia and China’s relationship with both, noting that the US “will isolate governments that refuse to act as responsible partners in advancing hemispheric peace and prosperity”.

    The section, according to Jessop, indicates that, together with Canada, the US will deliver in the Western hemisphere a policy that “limits the malign influence of non-hemispheric forces,” while, as in the past, working to increase economic opportunities for all, improving governance, and reducing the power of criminal organisations.

    “Whether Canada sees the region in this way – what this means for example for Grenada’s reported request to China’s Development Bank to help draft a national development strategy; how US policy will in future relate to the Caribbean’s special relationship with Cuba, enshrined in the recent declaration at a CARICOM-Cuba summit in Antigua; or how it might relate to the possible rescue of Venezuela’s mismanaged oil sector by Russia Rosneft – are just some examples of the practical issues the region is going to have to reconcile in its dialogue with Washington,” Jessop writes.

    “More importantly still, the region is going to have to take a position on what the document totally fails to mention: the existential issue of climate change,” he adds. “Not only does the strategy paper fail to recognise global warming, vulnerability, or smallness, it suggests that US interests in future, in relation to natural disasters, will solely relate to building resilience at a domestic level while for others placing emphasis on the export of fossil fuels and renewable technology.”

    Elsewhere, Jessop says the document introduces new conditionalities.

    “When it comes to future US development assistance this ‘must support America’s national interests’, contains potentially contentious language in its qualified support for multilateral institutions, and more generally suggests that the US will respond negatively to those nations that do not support its foreign policy,” he says.

    For the Caribbean, this will likely pose a conundrum, Jessop says.

    “Smallness, the importance of the US and a trade and investment partner, its physical location, its good relations with neighbours and others that the US now sees as an unwelcome influence, and CARICOM’s renewed drive for a rapid multilateral response to climate change, all suggest that future relations with Washington may become difficult.What now seems to be on offer is far from the approach taken by the Obama administration foreign policy, which had healed many hemispheric rifts,” he adds.

    “If followed through on, the Trump doctrine will be divisive and significantly less in the interests of the region and its desire for a joined up global approach to its future development.”

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    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    Lawson…trump is already speaking for Canada without their consent and obviously without their knowledge, putin will be speaking for yall next..lol

    Learn to speak russian ya hear.

    The US is obviously sinking into dictatorship and I doubt the rest of the world will tolerate such idiocy….handcuffs for trump and his idiot supporters…..as soon as possible.


  40. I agree with WW bajans will have to learn english and quit voting with the chinese if they want to fit into the new western hemispheric policy

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    WW&C;

    Thanks for reference to David Jessop’s article above. It is of spot-on relevance to this blog and should make commenters revert to discussing the likely consequences of the Jerusalem UN vote by our individual countries. Were our policy makers unaware of the crazy stances of the Trump antichrist in almost every matter and that his underlying policy is to disrupt and destroy and then build back America (and whichever other country except Russia that he thinks merits such treatment) in a way that leads to a regressive America of the 18th century while doing everything to annul America’s recent progressive policies and therefore forged their vote on the wrong America. Or did they assess that Trump’s backward policies will not prevail in the short or long run and revert to a more modern democratic type policy in the near future? or did they think that China would be a better big brother for us?

    It is possible that our decision makers misread the tea leaves but they’ve had more than a year to assess Trump’s iconoclastic bent and the varying successes it has achieved so far. What became of our guiding principle of Friends of all and satellites of none. Those sentiments were not supported by this vote.

    We have been seriously let down by our Government in this matter. An abstention was the only sensible choice at this time if the matter was seriously thought out. Check out how Trinidad and St Lucia voted. They understand exactly what their geopolitic place is. The Tweaking of the nose of the Elephant just outside the room was reasonable and even perhaps required policy in Owen’s time. Doing the same now in the state of our absolutely parlous economic dependancy of these times is par for the thought processes of this Government. I wonder if it was not a Freundal ordered stance.

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    …. and the Trump policies will not take a sharp U-turn if Trump gets impeached soon. The racist and imperial underbelly of America has already been revealed by Trump. They are not going back to recent policies.


  43. abstention was the only course of action but they coudnt help themselves this self sense of importance as I said before when you get a paddling you have no-one else to blame but yourselves. Amazing a banana seller from guatamala seems to have a better sense of whats going on in the states, caricom has sided with belize on a land dispute which way do you think the US will lean lol

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    Are We There…with or without the orange idiot the plan is to roll back the US and by extension, the rest of the world to at least the 1950s….

    .,….this is not the time to be a balless wonder and neutered eunuch like Lawson……

    ……ya have to stand up to terrorists and bullies with an agenda to reenslave descendants of slaves and others.

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    Robert Mueller took game changing decision, Trump is finished
    Harriet Freeman POSTED ON DECEMBER 24, 2017

    The FBI is probing a defunct bank in Cyprus that had been used by affluent Russians and has been accused by the U.S of money laundering, The Guardian reported on Sunday.

    U.S. investigators and the Treasury Department reportedly requested information about FBME Bank from the Central Bank of Cyprus in November.

    One source told the publication that the request was tied to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into President Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. The source also said the investigation was tied to money that had flowed from Russia to the U.S. through banks in Cyprus.

    Bloomberg reported last month that authorities in Cyprus provided Mueller’s team with documents detailing the financial activities of Manafort and his business associate Richard Gates just days before they were indicted last fall.

    The indictment against Manafort and Gates claims the pair had funneled over $75 million through foreign bank accounts in Cyprus and other countries.

    Manafort and Gates had at least 15 accounts with Cypriot banks, according to Bloomberg.

    Manafort was charged with conspiracy against the United States, tax fraud and money laundering as a part of Mueller’s probe into alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Russian election meddling in October.

    The Hill has reached out to the Treasury Department for comment. The special counsel’s office declined to comment.

    FBME denied being involved in money laundering in a statement on Saturday.

    FBME has not engaged in money-laundering and was never accused of such until the FinCEN allegations. The Bank has acted in compliance with all the EU and Cyprus Anti-Money Laundering directives; a fact corroborated by multiple third-party auditors,” the bank said”


  46. Harriet freeman the botanist or harriet freeman the bullshit artist? What a putz you and your canadian boyfriend are… you think you can swim with the crocodiles and come out on top lol. Listen to you and barbadians will be selling kidneys to survive. May not work though even melnyk went north for his new parts.

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    Well Well & Cut N’ Paste At Your Service

    So Melnyk got in new body parts…lol

    Israelis got a good market going on that, the fake jews.

    Guess what eats crocodiles.

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    Look trumpturds….

    “Instead of marching & begging for the city to remove Confederate statues from city parks, some Black men in Memphis purchased the parks that had statues of Jefferson Davis & Nathan Bedford Forrest (founder of the KKK). Then THEY had the statues removed from THEIR property #Salute”

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