Solutions Barbados’ Response to the S&P Downgrade – The Death Spiral

Submitted by Grenville Phillips II, leader of Solutions Barbados

As expected, Standard & Poor’s downgraded Barbados’ sovereign credit rating yet again, this time to CCC.  As long as the DLP continues to follow their developmental philosophy of high taxation, then further downgrades and eventual currency devaluation are certain.  So what is the solution?

First, we need to understand that the DLP’s developmental philosophy has benefitted Barbados immensely.  However, their philosophy no longer works when we have entered the death spiral.  Our problem is that the DLP continues to stubbornly embrace their failing philosophy, which will certainly ruin Barbados.  Pharaoh’s heart appears to be hardened to any good economic advice.

Some think that the solution is to simply change administrations.  That thinking is valid in normal circumstances.  However, once we have entered the death spiral, special measures are required to get us out.  The BLP and DLP are as inexperienced as all third parties in getting us out of this level of debt.  Therefore, the critical question that responsible voters need to ask those offering to manage Barbados’ economy is: how do you plan to get us out of this death spiral?

The DLP’s management of the economy has been continually examined by the international rating agencies. The now familiar downgrade announcements simply chart our progress to foreseen economic ruin.  However, would anything improve if voters selected the BLP?  To assess the likely outcome, we need to examine the BLP’s development philosophy.

The BLP’s development philosophy is to finance Barbados’ development through debt.  Barbados has benefitted immensely from this philosophy.  However, their philosophy no longer works when we have entered the death spiral.  Our problem is that BLP is also blinded by their developmental philosophy.  Even as we are racing towards economic ruin, the BLP’s solution is to burden Barbados with even more debt – they simply know no other way.

To get out of this death spiral, we need to understand how we got in.  All economic enterprises, whether they are households, businesses or countries, should be run within safe operating boundaries.  Banks normally protect individuals (and their families) and business owners (and their employees) from going outside of these boundaries, by limiting the amount of debt they can acquire based on their income.

Individuals or business owners may acquire additional debt from other sources.  However, once it reaches an unsustainable tipping point, then they enter the death spiral where their families will eventually have to vacate their houses, and their employees will eventually become unemployed.

Our elected politicians negotiate national loans on our behalf.  However, unlike individuals and business owners, international funding agencies willingly lend politicians any amount, but inflict punishing interest charges on citizens based on the risks of lending.  The IMF warned us citizen not to allow our politicians to enter the death spiral.  We enter this spiral when our debt exceeds 40% of our Gross Domestic Product (GDP).

The BLP took us from the safety of 30% GDP debt to approximately 90% GDP debt.  Entering the death spiral is deceptive, since there is very little change in the circumference or size of the circle in the initial cycles.  However, as we move from the rim and inevitably travel downward towards the eventual drain, then with each successive cycle, the circle gets smaller, the effects of each cycle become more noticeable, and we become more alarmed.

If Barbados has the misfortune of electing the DLP, or any party that shares the BLP’s failed philosophy, then Barbados is sunk.  Solutions Barbados is the only party that has published a non-austerity plan for getting Barbados out of this death spiral.  It has undergone over 2 years of rigorous public scrutiny and is available on SolutionsBarbados.com.

Essentially it comprises 4 proven main steps.  The first is to increase Government revenues by lowering taxes and making them fair, and easier to calculate, pay and audit.  The second is to increase productivity in both the public and private sectors by managing each Government service to the international customer-focused quality management standard, ISO 9001.

The third step is to effectively address corruption by fining those who receive and pay bribes up to 10 times the value of the bribe, and rewarding the whistle-blower with the full value of the bribe.  The last step is to depoliticise the civil service by ensuring that all public workers are promoted on merit alone.  The details are on SolutionsBarbados.com.

In the upcoming election, the choice for voters could not be clearer.  We either complete the death spiral by voting for politicians who embrace the failed philosophies of the DLP and BLP that have brought us to this point, or we get out of this death spiral by voting for Solutions Barbados candidates.  Decide Barbados.
Grenville Phillips II is the founder of Solutions Barbados and can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

153 thoughts on “Solutions Barbados’ Response to the S&P Downgrade – The Death Spiral


  1. “The last step is to depoliticise the civil service by ensuring that all public workers are promoted on merit alone”

    Good idea. Let us start with the Supreme Court.


  2. “Merit” is really hard to define. Doubt if you can get three people to agree on whether Tom is better than Harry.

    Meanwhile, Solutions needs to work on presentation. Will somebody buy their candidates some suits that fit?

    And those orange shirts do not look good. The turquoise lady looks like she just got back from Sri Lanka.


  3. Waste not, want not.

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/101041/thank-nsrl

    “The Queen Elizabeth Hospital (QEH) has started to pay its debt and is in a position to meet its financial obligations to suppliers once again. The Sanitation Service Authority (SSA) will soon get its new fleet of trucks, and will even be looking to purchase additional equipment. Minister of Finance Chris Sinckler says Barbadians can..”

    Thanks to the overtaxed majority population, but since fine ants aint too bright it would not occur to him that :

    The millions wasted on the useless independence celebrations and building the Bushman’s pitchfork on the Garrison would have resulted in the same thing….new garbage trucks, repaired sewage plant etc….and no new taxes would have had to be introduced to overburden the majority population.

    The 60 million US of pensioners money given to the 4 seasons crooks would have helped the majority population progress if spent wisely on them instead….eg services, QEH. ….paid down the 14 million dollar commitment to the Caribbean Caricom Development Fund CDF….instead of fine ants neglecting the island’s development to develop the bank accounts of minority crooks and scam artists on the island

    The hundreds of millions given to the minority crooks Maloney, Bjerkham et al in contracts to build useless scam houses at coverley etc, renewing Bizzy’s Ionic scam etc…..would have instead resulted in more progress for the majority taxpayers and done even better to take care of the people’s needs, paid down QEH debts..etc..

    The hundreds of millions stolen from taxpayers and pensioners to put in Cow’s etc pockets for his Apes Hill Plantation scam, buying new trucks and equipment for himself and building a luxury property in St. James, could have done even better for programs for new mothers and children in the majority population and bought additional new equipment to benefit the population, retrofitted all schools, upgraded their their curricula to meet modern standards, refurbished buildings neglected by this government so they wont have to pay, Bizzy, Barrack and others outrageous rents to house government workers. …wastong tax dollars.

    Instead it was all about lack of priorities and commitment to the majority population and putting bribe money in their own pockets were these minister’s priorities……

    ..vote each and every one of them out,…split the votes among all new political parties…vote candidates, not party.


  4. The hundreds of millions stolen from taxpayers and pensioners to put in Cow’s etc pockets for his Apes Hill Plantation scam, buying new trucks and equipment for himself and building a luxury property in St. James, could have done even better for programs for new mothers and children in the majority population and bought additional new equipment to benefit the population, retrofitted all schools, upgraded their curricula to meet modern standards, refurbished buildings neglected by this government so they wont have to pay, Bizzy, Barrack and others outrageous rents to house government workers. …WASTING tax dollars, the majority population’s money.


  5. @Chad99999 October 3, 2017 at 8:59 PM #

    Look at the Registrar of the Supreme Court to figure out what happens if there is no merit but political ideology. Outcome: The CJ complains in front of the whole legal fraternity about the mess in the registry. Read the story on CBC. Or take the CJ himself: A family lawyer at a state court. Was there any managerial experience how to run a court? ZERO. And look what we got. The Barbados judicial system is the laughing stock of the whole Caribbean. Nobody takes them seriously anymore. Not the CCJ, not the companies in the Caymans etc doing the offshore business.


  6. A couple things are obvious:

    There was never any chance of economic recovery under Fumble’s Fools. They are just too stupid in the ways of simple management and too overt with bribery solicitation.

    Never has Barbados experienced the current level of political corruption. It is blatant and has chased away 99% of the investors, local and foreign, who have been propositioned.

    Social media exposure to stupid decision-making and outright teefin has never been greater but we have failed to turn the knowledge of such things into the power to change them.

    Whoever wins the next election will have allot of work to do but there are many patriots standing by with the knowledge and skills needed to help.


  7. Justice Gibson needs to up his game, despite all the political interference from AG Nitwit, who is stopping upgrades and modernization of the judiciary to continue the misuse and abuse of the entity by themselves, their friends and business partners in the insurance companies and in the other cockroach hideouts.


  8. It is a great pity that Mr. Philips nor any of the other leaders of the newly formed political parties been able to inspire public confidence in their ability to properly manage this Country’s affairs. As in my opinion both the BLP & DLP have failed us and it would have been wonderful to be able to turn to with a degree of confidence to an alternative source of Govt. I find myself in a particular uneasy position that while there is no doubt in my mind that the present lot has to go I am not seeing the opposition bringing forth a set of measures to turn the country around. But despite this i cannot in all conscience vote for a single member of the present govt.


  9. These are none solutions from AN.
    It is a lie that lower taxes could either increase tax receipts or productivity. There is nowhere that either has been proven.


  10. @ Grenville Phillips who wrote, ” The first is to increase Government revenues by lowering taxes ”

    Please explain in terms that a voter with a primary school education would understand.


  11. So the DLP has a philosophy to manage this country’s resources?Well,whad’ya know! Nothing will replace a massive dose of confidence in our political operatives to get Barbados up and running again.Untried and untested fringe groups or parties will not cut it.Whomever or whichever party creates those conditions which inspire confidence by investors and the citizenry should combine to ensure Barbados rises from the repeated demolition of its economy post 2008.Call the election and stop the wholesale destruction of what is left of this once prosperous and proud country.


  12. Grenville would have to get legislation pass which would levy fees on most govt sponsored social programs like health care and education in order to make up for the inevitable financial shortfall which will be incurred if his plans are to lower taxes


  13. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20171003/news/imbert-govt-borrowed-billions-to-pay-public-service-salaries

    Listening to David and other BLP commentators on this blog…….you would believe that only BARBADOS 🇧🇧 economy is struggling.

    Read the link above and see how our oil rich neighbor is coping.

    I have faith in rational thinking 💭 Barbadians…..

    But none in the likes of Prodigirl, Miller , Enuff , Well Well & Artax


  14. We wonder when is the ‘mis-leadership class’ in Barbados, and this includes the SB people, will come to know that the arithmetic of the old economy model will never be workable again.

    That the Richie Haynesian calculus has no political purchase

    That in a financialized economy businesses transfer tax savings into financial assets, not production

    That no level of traditional productivity increases can lead to sustainable ‘growth’

    That no level of traditional investment will ever lead to anything near full employment

    That no level of servile compliance to perceived needs of the corporatists could deliver any political heaven

    The misleadership class in Barbados is playing a game with an outdated set of rules. But playing nonetheless!


  15. “That being the case, “what they [the ratings agencies] say has as much value as what you would see in any garbage dump collected by the Sanitation Services Authority”, Stuart contended at the time.”

    Except that the government mismanaged the economy so badly, that fine ants had to return to the taxpayers and soak them in taxes, to be able to afford new garbage trucks to collect garbage…lol


  16. Fractured,

    Personally, I care a sh… about OTHER countries. The local residents do not live in OTHER countries. We have our houses and investments right here in Bim. There will always be some places in South America or Africa were things are even worse than in Bim. Who cares.

    What matters is the fact that the sanitation service is not working, the roads are not repaired, the public schools are in a mess, the crack heads of St. Michael North West rally around the island to commit atrocities and massacres, police officers are caught selling ammunition and drugs, the judiciary is in a bloody mess and prices are going up high in the sky.

    I really would like to know, Fractured, if you live in Bim or like many other democratic ideologists in Canada, Florida or Zurich, since shopping in Bim is like hell. Paying 40 USD for some popcorn chicken, 1.50 USD for 1 l fuel, 2,500 USD for a proper washing machine and 200,000 USD for a slave hut at Coverley is nothing else than hell when you earn some weak local Mickey Mouse dollars at the same time.


  17. Wunnah could jump high or jump low

    Barbados is not immune from the rest of the world 🌎

    It is a world wide recession…..and we all gine sink or float …..together !!!

    NSRL …,,,. in wunnah arse !!!

    Tek dat !!!!

    If wunnah tek to the streets again …..CURFEW …..in wunnah tail !!!


  18. Tron October 4, 2017 at 9:39 AM #

    What matters is the fact that the sanitation service is not working,

    There was a tender advertised for new SSA equipment on Saturday, deadline Oct 13th, delivery 90 days later, no specification sheets available from SSA, vague newspaper descriptions only.

    That means a couple things:

    Election spending fever has started, we will be further bankrupted in the next couple months.
    Elections will be mid-February.
    Another whoring lackie will sell SSA the trucks because the backroom deal has already been done with a teefin’ minister and specifications set with a single vendor, the invitation to tender is a pretence; hence no actual tender documents available.

    Downward spiral indeed.

    There was never a chance of economic recovery under Fumble’s teefin’ whores.


  19. Fractured BLP October 4, 2017 at 9:45 AM #
    Wunnah could jump high or jump low

    NSRL …,,,. in wunnah arse !!!

    Tek dat !!!!

    If wunnah tek to the streets again …..CURFEW …..in wunnah tail !!!

    I so wish Fumble’s Fools would follow through on threats like these.

    The higher the teefin’ monkeys climb the taxpayer’s mango tree, the more the taxpayers see his tail.


  20. The electorate will have the last laugh…Fruendel and his thugs will be humiliated at the polls. ..

    No more diplomatic passport protection that the crooks are desperately trying to hold on to…….

    ,….they are wanted….give them up, the same way they sold out the majority population.


  21. Frustrated,

    BUYING trucks and SERVICING them are two very different issues in Barbados. Even if they buy the trucks they will break down in a couple of months. Like the many Audi, Landrovers, Mercedes and BMW where you won´t get spare parts in timely manner.


  22. Let us see them stopping the electorate from tossing their asses out…from parliament.

    Let us see them running when they no longer have diplomatic protection against the many international crimes for which some of them are being looked at……

    Fractured Damaged Yardfowl got a lot of talk….and think we dont know.


  23. @ Tron who wrote ” you won´t get spare parts in timely manner.” Try this solution….

    Go online, order the part, Fedex or DHL will deliver.


  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger. October 4, 2017 at 10:50 AM #
    Election is months away…..so is another downgrade.

    Yes, we will hit rock bottom. As I predicted 7 years ago.

    There was never any hint that Fumble’s Fools had any idea what they were doing; except for the blatant teefin.


  25. @ Grenville Phillips wrote “The second is to increase productivity in both the public and private sectors by managing each Government service to the international customer-focused quality management standard, ISO 9001”

    You are oversimplifying the implementation of a QMS on such a large scale. While it would be exhaustive to detail all the problems to be encountered I will instead focus on the 7 principles of ISO 9001

    Customer Focus – The civil has moved away from customer focus (ie serving the public) to being a job provider first. Serving the customer is not the primary focus. How do you intend to change that?
    Leadership – Implementation of a QMS requires leadership at all levels. So a Prime Minister, still needs his ministers, senior managers (Permanent Secretaries) and mid level managers to believe in the system and show leadership. There is no leadership in the ministries, it is every man for himself. Square pegs in round holes cannot lead. What is your solution?
    Engagement of People – The government stopped engaging civil servants and the public long ago. You are engaged if you know the right person.
    A Process Approach – A process approach requires the definition of processes first. The inputs, outputs, controls and resources. Defining and documenting processes will be a huge undertaking. Will you entrust this to civil servants or a consultant?
    Improvement – To continually improve you need a baseline, a standard of performance against which to measure future performance. Good luck standardising and measuring the performance of civil servants and government departments.
    Evidence based decision making – I won’t even bother. From policy development to infrastructural projects, to investment there is currently very little evidence based thinking. Decisions are entrusted to high priced consultants or businessmen who have their own agendas. How do you address this?
    Relationship Management – Currently the only relationships that matter are financiers and party supporters. The relationship with the unions is terrible, the relationship with the private sector is even worse and the public does not trust the government. These are your major stakeholders. How do you improve these relationships?

    If you are intent on implementing ISO 9001 and you expect to be taken seriously, at a minimum you need to add more substance to your solutions beyond simply stating ISO 9001 is the cure all.

    Not one of the principles of ISO 9001 is currently a guiding principle in the civil service. You will need a cultural shift requiring a purge even greater than the IMF is suggesting.

    There is a saying in business “If you can’t change people, change people”.
    You don’t have this luxury in the civil service. How will you address officers stubborn to change?


  26. “There was never any hint that Fumble’s Fools had any idea what they were doing; except for the blatant teefin.”

    Lol..


  27. Redguard October 4, 2017 at 10:56 AM #
    @ Grenville Phillips wrote “The second is to increase productivity in both the public and private sectors by managing each Government service to the international customer-focused quality management standard, ISO 9001”

    Not one of the principles of ISO 9001 is currently a guiding principle in the civil service. You will need a cultural shift requiring a purge even greater than the IMF is suggesting.

    There is a saying in business “If you can’t change people, change people”.
    You don’t have this luxury in the civil service. How will you address officers stubborn to change?

    Carrot and stick.

    The civil service needs pay increases.

    They need to do a better job.

    There needs to be a freeze on hiring. which means managers need to be able to move civil servants around to where they are most needed without falling foul of employment conditions and severance payouts.

    The time to make this all come together is ripe. But maybe for the next PM who won’t be such a fool.


  28. @ Grenville Phillips,

    Take one Ministry and explain how ISO 9001 would work in a way 3rd formers at Kolij would understand.

    The average voter is not University educated.


  29. Barbadians complain bitterly about rampant mismanagement in the public sector and high prices for goods and services.

    But then they keep electing lawyers to govern the island.

    That is like hiring a poet to fix your toilet. Lawyers are not trained in management. They are not trained in finance. They are not trained in economics. Some of them can write legislation, but they need good ideas to write good legislation.

    Anyone who thinks Mia can help the country has given up his right to grumble.


  30. But Freundel Stuart, who is also a LAWYER and Sinckler, who does not have any training in economics, can help the country?

    However, based on the fact that Sinckler is the holder of a MSc in International Trade Policy and was the Executive Director of the Caribbean Policy Development Centre, he should have been appointed as Minister of Industry, International Business, Commerce and Small Business Development, rather than Minister of Finance.


  31. chad99999 October 4, 2017 at 3:15 PM #
    Barbadians complain bitterly about rampant mismanagement in the public sector and high prices for goods and services.

    But then they keep electing lawyers to govern the island.

    That is like hiring a poet to fix your toilet. Lawyers are not trained in management. They are not trained in finance. They are not trained in economics. Some of them can write legislation, but they need good ideas to write good legislation.

    Correct, as I have been typing here for years.

    But here’s the difference; Barbados has ALWAYS been led by lawyers. But some lawyers talk for the sake of hearing their own voice and some listen before making a decision and proclamation.

    The post-Dippa DLP gov’t has ALWAYS excluded the people that Barbados needs to take us forward. The fact that Fumble is the most useless human we’ve ever had in Parliament and holds the highest gov’t post created the ‘perfect storm’ of our demise but that has always been their practice, if not their policy.

    The BLP never has.

    That is not opinion, that is historical fact. So are the results and consequences.


  32. The BLP has lost its soul !!

    So said his Majesty Owen Arthur !

    He knows of which he speaks !!!

    Edmund Hinkson called George Payne a THEIF !!!

    Edmund knows of which he speaks !!!

    Maria Agard calls Mia Mottley a SERPENT in white !!!!!

    Maria knows of which she speaks !

    Why would anyone waste their damn voters on a set of …..BLP CROOKS !!

    Owen is correct ……the BLP has lost its soul !!!

    Get lost ……ye DEViLS !!!!!


  33. “Because we have not done it…to the satisfaction of some people and you get a little downgrade, everybody running around [saying], ‘Oh dear, the sky is falling!’”
    Extracted from a statement made by the Buffoon of Finance to Loop News – please read the above again paying particular attention to “you get a little downgrade”. Buffoon, Dotard, Moron, Imbecile, Retard …pick any one of the preceding that best defines the intellect that would give birth to such a statement. Really, a little downgrade. I suppose we had a little hurricane in Dominica and Puerto Rico and a little shooting in Las Vegas and a little idiot damaging the finances of this country.


  34. FearPlay,

    The Kingpin of Black Rock knows very well that they will be ousted next February. He is planning his relocation, not his future in Bim. All they will leave behind for the next government are BIC and account number of their domestic banks in Canada and Switzerland, so that the new government can transfer their huge pensions.


  35. Fractured, yes you do. The Republicans also have the best President ever too and you are probably the sharpest tool in the shed.


  36. Grenville,

    I will say this. I agree that the DLP and BLP really have no credible, viable solutions for Barbados at this time as evident in the 8 dismal years of the DLP and the lack of any substance coming from the BLP. You are right, Barbados does need a 3rd party and I really, really want to get behind you. But as I analyse Solutions Barbados’s Policy Solutions, I see the same pattern of dated thinking. Out of the 12 steps you outlined, only one barely hints at trying to address the real “elephant in the room”. The majority of what you propose tinkers with bureaucracy and does nothing to generate revenue for this island.

    Barbados’s BIGGEST problem in a new digitally influenced world is the SEVERE inability of it’s citizens to contribute to the global economy and engage in industries to generate increasing revenues and wealth for the island. The ability for the island to generate wealth allows for a fair taxation policy to pay for social programs and eliminates the need for borrowing/ external debt. You have barely scratched the surface in answering the question. HOW AND WITH WHAT NEW ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WILL BARBADOS GENERATE ENOUGH WEALTH AND FX TO PAY ITS DEBT BURDEN. It is nonsense to talk about teaching how to manage home based businesses when the citizenry has not been taught, trained and exposed to what is needed now to compete globally. So what business are your newly trained folks going to launch, basket weaving? There has to be a deliberate effort to develop youth on specific, globally relevant niche areas. Pick 5 areas as we are a small island and incubate a material number of youth in these niches, who can be fully armed with the training and skills needed to SUCCESSFULLY launch globally relevant small businesses. All will not survive and succeed but a pipeline that keeps producing youth like this will eventually turn out winners. I do not see anything resembling this approach in your proposal.

    Barbados is at the stage where strong, focused leadership, WITH A CLEAR DEVELOPMENT PLAN (8-10 YEARS) is needed. We do not need someone to just occupy the crease. As you mentioned we are in a death spiral. No time for tinkering with bureaucracy, We NEED decisive, clear leadership acting with a RELEVANT DEVELOPMENTAL PLAN


  37. Tron: We plan to address all Government services concurrently.

    Chad: Now that you know that the orange shirts that you criticised were actually worn by the UPP, will you be retracting your criticism?

    Pach: The evidence is not on your side. Please review “A New Measure of Taxation: An Application to Barbados” by Greenidge and Drakes.

    Hants: I refer you to the same study I referred Pach. Essentially, there is greater formal participation when taxes are low and easy to pay, therefore, the Government collects more. The converse is also true.

    Gabriel: So, call the elections and allow who to manage this economy?

    Angela: Please review the evidence before making such conclusive statements – which happen to be incorrect.

    Pach: Well, who do you think is best suited to lead Barbados at this critical time.

    Redguard: The ISO 9001 system has been successfully implemented in diverse public services, and your comments about why the system was likely to fail were typical before its implementation.

    Hants: The ISO 9001 is an international customer-focused quality management system. Essentially, it aims to delight coustomer by continually improving the management of how products are developed and delivered to customers. See an example of the ISO 9001 system. https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/03/01/iso-system-key-to-better-service/

    Baje: Most of our policies are intended to increase revenues.
    a) The ISO 9001 system should increase the productivity in both public and private sectors.
    b) The reduced taxation should increase Government revenues.
    c) The health tax and making finable offenses results in greater participation of the Barbados Economy.
    d) The changes to the Secondary School curriculum has the end-goal of developing quality products and marketing them via the Internet – to receive foreign currency

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  38. Grenville

    It is best for the people to lead themselves. Rid themselves of all elements of the political misleadership class. Including SB.

    One study cannot sway us one way or the other. We look at the preponderance of studies.

    Where in the world is neoliberalism wukking for the many.


  39. @ Bajeabroad October 4, 2017 at 7:35 PM
    “Barbados’s BIGGEST problem in a new digitally influenced world is the SEVERE inability of it’s citizens to contribute to the global economy and engage in industries to generate increasing revenues and wealth for the island. The ability for the island to generate wealth allows for a fair taxation policy to pay for social programs and eliminates the need for borrowing/ external debt. You have barely scratched the surface in answering the question. HOW AND WITH WHAT NEW ECONOMIC ACTIVITY WILL BARBADOS GENERATE ENOUGH WEALTH AND FX TO PAY ITS DEBT BURDEN. It is nonsense to talk about teaching how to manage home based businesses when the citizenry has not been taught, trained and exposed to what is needed now to compete globally….”

    Bajeabroad, excellent contribution!

    You have zeroed in on the Achilles heel of SB’s proposals for economic recovery and social development to make Barbados a competitive player in the fast-changing 21st Century.

    Please don’t expect a meaningful response to your most pertinent query other than by way of some vague vacuous resort to idealistic pie-in-the-sky of copying some kind of good or service already swamping the international trading markets whether in the traditional sense or some already saturated Internet-based buying and selling activity.

    Similar queries regarding SB’s proposal to earn and save forex- the lifeblood of socio-economic activities and on which all tax revenues are symbiotically linked- were placed before SB and which with were eschewed like a snail avoiding salt.

    What we would like to hear from SB is not only their set of ‘specific’ proposals to earn forex but also their intended policy on marijuana.

    A plant which is clearly adaptable to the agronomic conditions of Barbados and a possible replacement for the fast disappearing grass called sugarcane; also a plant with which the youth of Barbados have a rather longstanding relationship which will continue throughout their lives even in the face of State-sponsored competition from alcohol and Chinese-made cigarettes.

    Would SB be banning an already banned god-made plant as is their wont with Internet-based porn and link it to the handiwork of a devil disguised as snake in the ‘grass’ or would they embrace the economic and commercial potential contained in its cultivation and processing as a viable option to save or even earn massive forex currently lost through underground channels?

    Those who can earn or save FOREX for Barbados should be seen as the real knights and dames of the realm; not some set of silly two-bit garrulous lawyers or politically-tainted ass-licking yard-birds and shite-hounds sniffing around the intellectual dregs of Parliament.


  40. Grenville

    Your party delivered a manifesto to my home. I read it and the mention is ISO 9001 piqued my interest because I have embarked on a course of study to become a Certified Quality Practitioner with the goal of eventually reaching Certified Quality Professional.

    The information was vague so I decided to seek out answers.

    I have asked you questions based on the principles of ISO 9001. These principles will need to be adopted if ISO is to succeed. Your answer to me was:

    “The ISO 9001 system has been successfully implemented in diverse public services, and your comments about why the system was likely to fail were typical before its implementation”

    Please provide EVIDENCE of successful implementation and show similarities to the current pathology of the Barbados public service. You must be basing this on something, so if it is documented I would love to analyse it for myself.

    I never said the system would fail. I said based on what I currently observe in the civil service I anticipate challenges. As Prime Minister (CEO) how will you address them.

    While the average person may only have a superficial understanding of ISO 9001 and QMS’s, I at least know a bit more. Your responses indicate either:

    You also have a superficial understanding of ISO 9001 and are winging it
    You have a greater understanding but you are having problems explaining it to the layman and hence you have resorted to maintaining an aura of superiority about the standard
    You know very little you are wasting my time.

    Another point. If Evidence Based Decision Making is a guiding principle for you, please provide evidence that your tax plan will work. To make such promises of increased revenue and reduced taxation and not provide one shred of evidence is mind boggling. Evidence can be examples of where it has worked or using current revenue and taxation numbers to make a prediction.


  41. “Would SB be banning an already banned god-made plant as is their wont with Internet-based porn and link it to the handiwork of a devil disguised as snake in the ‘grass’ or would they embrace the economic and commercial potential contained in its cultivation and processing as a viable option to save or even earn massive forex currently lost through underground channels?”

    This one I gotta hear.


  42. @8:34, Redguard, your post is instructive and purposeful in highlighting political high level policy which is either difficult to actually implement or virtually impossible.

    A supply side tax program has its benefits as was clearly shown in the US under the Reagan tenure. But the ballooning debt post Reagan was also an important feature of that tax policy.

    It is absolutely “mind boggling” therefore as you note that a serious political party can sketch a framework for such massive change to our economy and not provide the rigour and careful analysis needed to properly develop that framework.

    The ISO 9000 discourse is simply juvenile. It is impractical to offer that as a defining perscription to resolve or civil service and governance malaise. Several people here, I am sure, have either been thoroughly exposed to management change processes or been part of an organization which implemented them.

    The list of processes would include things like Six Sigma but of course must also incorporate stuff like TQM propogated under Dr Deming.

    Just as obvious is the fact that any management efficiency process can only be implemented in a large govt bureaucracy on an incremental basis after much preparation and basic retooling.

    It is therefore also mind boggling that this perscription is expected to achieve any desired concrete results in such magnitude and immediacy to improve total governance in short-thrift.

    The concepts of any TQM improvement make sense but that a consultant touts one such process as the saving grace for our nation’s well being again without the realities that accompany such an implementation is amazingly simplistic and juvenile.


  43. Dribbler

    Is wrong. ISO 9001 is being applied in many places around the world to improve the quality of public sector services.

    There is nothing “impractical” about it, although the trade umions will be a nuisance as usual and object to it.


  44. Chad, please read with comprehension rather than simply a desire to provoke.

    At no point did I suggest that a TQM process cannot be implemented in govt…that would be stupid and as idiotic as suggesting that simply implementing TQM in the civil service would act as a seminal operational process to vastly improve our governance so immediately.


  45. Dribbler

    calls the ISO proposal “impractical” and “juvenile”.

    When I tell him he is wrong, he has the nerve to tell me I am trying to “provoke”.

    No. That is what you are doing. Psychologists call it PROJECTION – accusing others of your own sin.

    And I have news for you. The civil service in Barbados is not a large bureaucracy by international standards. In fact, some would call it tiny.


  46. ISO 9000 has been around internationally for a good 15 years, at least that is when departments in NYC were being trained in it`s use..so far i only personally know of BL and P…now EMERA that are certified to such standards..

    by the time the whole island gets around to broad based standards, the world would have upgraded to something even more useful and futuristic.


  47. @ Chad99999 October 5, 2017 at 2:13 PM
    “And I have news for you. The civil service in Barbados is not a large bureaucracy by international standards. In fact, some would call it tiny.”

    Come off it Chad! You are being intellectually dishonest by making such an assertion.
    We are speaking in relative, not absolute, terms.

    Even if we were to exclude the statutory corporations and agencies not deemed as operationally part of the central government the numbers making up the civil service is relatively large in comparison to the absolute size of the country’s population.

    Aren’t you the one who is always questioning the need for so many incompetent black hands steering the wheel of State of inefficiency towards the rocks of economic ruin which only the sandy white hands from the first world can help in diverting?

    What are these international standards?
    Should the numerical ratio of 10% of a country’s total population be an acceptable benchmark in measuring the size of its bureaucracy for it to be considered large if >= but <= to be classified as “tiny

    What you need to consider is whether Barbados has the economic capacity to afford its bureaucracy which is generally parasitic while serving a nebulously useful purpose to meet partisan political expectations.

    The question to you is if you think the current size of the Defence Force and that civilian army of occupation called the Civil Service can be justified given the high level of education of a so-called sophisticated populace and the much maligned low levels of productivity and economic output of the Bajan population which has been living too long a sweet cushy life off other people’s money borrowed from overseas.


  48. MNK

    Remember how this discussion started.

    Dribbler was claiming that it was simplistic and impractical to propose implementation of ISO 9001 in the “large” civil service bureaucracy and expect quick results.

    But ISO 9001 is being used right now to improve the US federal civil service, which has 2.8 million employees. Not everywhere to be sure. But in particular offices snd departments.

    By comparison, Barbados is small change.


  49. Northern: Thanks.

    Pach: The study was quite comprehensive and examined the results of lowering taxes on many countries.

    Miller & Well Well: All healthy medicinal uses of the plant will be facilitated. We do not think that smoking the plant is healthy.

    Redguard: I have written ISO 9001 procedures for companies and operated within an ISO 9001 environment for over a decade. See our article on the subject.
    https://www.barbadostoday.bb/2017/03/01/iso-system-key-to-better-service/

    Chad: We have already met with the NUPW and CTUSAB who have agreed with our ISO 9001 management solution.

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  50. @Miller, your remarks give me hope that reading comprehension is not a lost skill. Reading Chad had me in great distress. Oh me miserum !

    No Chad, I do not play that projection game…your hero Don of Moron Diplomaticville does it often; in much the same way you provoke endlessly….so let’s do recall how this discussion started.

    My claim that this policy perscription “was simplistic and impractica” was linked completely to the fact that such an implementation takes time and careful retooling and as a policy perscription it CANNOT be touted as an operational quick fix for the bureaucracy of our civil service.

    Of course quality management processes whether ISO 9000 or whatever are being used in large govt entities… that is not in question and was never the debate.

    The simple fact is that one cannog simply offer it as a policy proposal in such a vacuous way.

    Good heaveans, management efficiency methodologies have been around for a long time…. as I noted previously we can cite Deming and go back to Quality Circles and JIT (just in time) and all that came after that with Drucker etc etc etc.

    Do you realistically want to continue this juveniile debate about ISO 9000 as if its some new rocket engine that can get us to Australia from Grantley Adams in 2 hours !

    Of course our civil service needs process change but are we really debating that as a distinguishing policy feature for a political party…you gotta be kidding!


  51. Drib:

    It only takes time if you plan to implement the entire ISO 9001 system at once. We do not. We plan to implement the most customer-focused parts first. Therefore, you may see the benefits in about one month.

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  52. “Miller & Well Well: All healthy medicinal uses of the plant will be facilitated. We do not think that smoking the plant is healthy.”

    Smoking is not healthy period, ancestors always drank the tea from marijuana before smoking the leaves became fashionable, marijuana patches are now available to distribute the medicinal form for those who require treatment…oils have always been available.

    THC the addictive ingredient in marijuana has been successfully extracted from the plant by chemists who process it in volumes.

    As I said in another post, you cannot….”exploit”…to use the attorney general’s word…..the full financial benefits of the plant unless you grow it and produce it’s byproducts..

    ….. as things stand according to him, the head of the drug service, under the current “legal regime available”…….Brathwaite’s words, can “source”…whatever form of the plant is needed for patients..

    … in that scenario, the only one being exploited are the patients who require treatment, since the drug service has to import existing forms of the drug from US, Canada or Europe…..because of the island’s overly useless, restrictive laws and demonization of the plant.

    ……however, that information should have been in the public domain since the “legal regime” for making the drug available to patients was enacted..

    Miller….ya really got a bunch of idiots running ya government. ..into the ground.


  53. @ de pedantic Dribbler October 6, 2017 at 12:13 AM
    “Of course quality management processes whether ISO 9000 or whatever are being used in large govt entities… that is not in question and was never the debate.
    The simple fact is that one cannog simply offer it as a policy proposal in such a vacuous way.
    Good heaveans, management efficiency methodologies have been around for a long time…. as I noted previously we can cite Deming and go back to Quality Circles and JIT (just in time) and all that came after that with Drucker etc etc etc.”

    I suspect you are getting a bit too far ahead of Chad in the long old race of “scientific” management studies.

    After all ,Chad is just a new kid on the block just like his classroom colleague Grenville Mark 11 chosen by the warring god of engineering and management.

    If Grenville only knew that his ISO 9000 et al have their genesis in the fieldwork of Frederick Taylor (not to mention McGregor, Argyris, Herzberg, Likert ad infinitum) then he would understand that the problem with the Civil (“Snivel”, to borrow FB’s apt adjective) Service is not one simply of requiring the application of scientific management principles in a modern customer-focused environment infused with Dale Carnegie’s intensive training sessions for continuous improvement but the disease endemic to a partisan politically-controlled employment agency called the Personnel Administration Function of the Public Sector.

    Until we use some radically invasive surgery to reduce the infection pervading the polity -so well identified and analyzed by C.Northcote Parkinson) we would not be able to distinguish the good blood cells (relevant public sector functions) from the infectious blood cells (the make-believe jobs magically created to feed bureaucratic parasites to satisfy partisan political agendas).

    Grenville and his SB policymakers must first stop putting the blind donkey as the driver of the one-wheel cart. But must first ask the enlightened question whether in the 21st Century world of digital realities if many of the myriad of functions and services currently performed and delivered by the public sector cannot be more efficiently, economically and effectively done by the private sector more amenable to the application of his ISO 9000 principles to meet the needs of an “educated” and sophisticatedly ‘modern’ Bajan society badly in need of being weaned off the sore nipples of Mother Government and Father Treasury.

    What ever remains as ‘public goods’ best performed by the streamlined public sector can then find some magnetic appeal to his new-found source of managerial intelligence in the reincarnated being of “Public Sector Reform” according to the Gospel of Solutions Barbados.


  54. I really wonder if Miller & his fellow doomsayers have passed by the West Coast of the island over the past week and noticed the high level of new construction or refurbishment activity taken place within the tourism and other areas of the hospitality industry ??

    Such flurry of activity – undoubtedly – says , among other positives , the following:

    • Barbados is a good place to invest & is still open for business ;

    • The administration of His Majesty Freundel Jerome Stuart is providing the right enabling environment for investment in Barbados ;

    • The newly instituted NSRL is not a hindrance to investment as the doomsayers – first alleged ;

    • The Finance Minister Chris ” tough as ass ” Sinckler is a gem of a Finance Minister ;

    • The DLP is a party of taking the tough decisions in the interests of ALL Barbadians.

    Dems NOW … Dems ….. AGAIN …..


    • What we want to see is the removal of the piles of garbage from the streets and the fixing of the jaw rattling potholes. Frankly it is downright embarrassing.


  55. And when one listen to the blp operatives they are begining to sound like beggers asking for hand outs already telling govt how the NSRL should be divided up . Well of course they are first in line looking for they share after blasting govt efforts for looking out for the country interest. Dems now Dems again.


  56. @ Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 8:56 AM
    “Barbados is a good place to invest & is still open for business ”

    So why can’t we get some action at the Four Seasons graveyard?
    After all, the service to raise the dead has been going on since 2011, if memory serves well.

    What about the West Coast sewage project or are you waiting for all the coral and beaches on the West coast to disappear leaving an oasis of human waste to swim in?

    We will not embarrass you further by asking about the Pierhead marina or the Cruise Ship Terminal at Sugar Point or Pitbull’s imaginatively fertile resuscitation of sugar cane industry with the US$ 270 million borrowed from a Japanese bank or even the housing project at Exmouth or even the Performing (or should that be Perjuring) Arts Centre at Brandons on the same West coast.

    But you will soon see if the Hyatt erection would rise like a phoenix in a couple of weeks (couple meaning two weeks not 104 as in two years) much needed to impregnate the fast disappearing foreign reserves.

    It seems the sales of the BNTCL and Hilton to johns with foreign money have not even fertilized the ova of sealing the legal deals far less sired the forex baby of your expectant imagination to be delivered by year-end to save your sorry asses from a forex stock-out leading to both debt default and consequential devaluation.

    Dr. IMF still beckons you with open arms. He is even about to turn up at your very own doorstep to avoid the embarrassment of you being ‘referred’ by the Latin American bank of loan sharks.


  57. Like Miller, I applaud Bajeabroad’s analysis. Nothing more needs to be said. “Occupying the crease” is what successive governments have done to bring us to this state of affairs.


  58. Yes David all u asking for can be accomplished when govt collects the necessary funding call revenue from taxes. But do not forget it is people like u who are all against govt generating revenue by way of taxes yet u expect to buy a whole hog at half its price worth.
    Btw have u seen MIA LEC inquring minds want to know


  59. @ Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 10:19 AM

    Brek-foot Yardfowl, you mean he should have shouted at her:
    ‘Ya bald pooch cat! Why don’t you tek ya likkle Indian foot and run down Frederick Street stark naked’?

    Unlike in Bim with Stinkliar that bad-skin jackass will soon be fired.

    Dr. Keith must have his fall guy for what’s on the horizon.

    Who will it be in Bim? Certainly not the Guv of the CB (again)?


  60. Ok David a valid request from you.

    The funds from the NSRL will assist in that regard.

    You see why the NSRL is essential ?????

    • Mia Mottley bragged in Parliament that her law firm has not paid to the government – taxes owed !

    • Many professionals in Barbados not paying to the government the taxes they owe !!

    • Many property owners not paying to the government land taxes that are owed !!!

    • Many business owners not paying to the government corporation tax or VAT owed to government !!

    But you know those are the very first persons that criticize government when the garbage piles up or the hospital requires supplies !!!

    The money has to come from somewhere….

    NSRL to the rescue 👍🏽

    Thanks to the ingenious thinking of Chris ” tough as ass ” Sinckler !!!!


  61. David

    It is quite simple

    As the to the Extreme – road march winners in T&T for 2017 sang ….

    Even if the Treasury bun down !!! We jamming still !!!

    Something have to give ..!


  62. @ Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 11:18 AM

    Fractured Foul-foot, why did you purposely forget about the income tax refunds going back to 2013 and which were being stuffed in envelopes as Stinkliar was speaking in Parliament?

    Did the garbage trucks bought with the 2% NSRL imposed in 2016 break down while delivering the empty envelopes?

    BTW, tell Stinkliar that his Pinocchio nose has been broken since 2013 and most taxpayers file their tax returns online and opt to receive their refunds by way of electronic credit to their bank or credit union accounts.

    Not much need for unsigned cheques in the mail to be thrown into the uncollected garbage bins.


  63. Miller

    Every year since Jan 2008 – I does have to admire you penchant for cat 🐱 shite !

    • You stated back then that the DLP gine be one term government !
    • Then the DLP ain’t gine win a seat in 2013 !
    • Then because of the DLP slender majority in 2013 …..the government would collapse by 2015 !
    • Then the government going to the IMF by June 2016 !
    • Then the Barbados 🇧🇧 currency will be devalued by April 2017 !

    Miller a.k.a cat 🐱 shite

    This is DLP country

    You believe because you and 4 other miscreants who populate BU wid wunnah shite is the Electorate of Barbados 🇧🇧 ?

    Get real. !!!!! and get READY !!!!

    As you are about to witness the ushering in or term 3 of the Dedicated Loyal Patronage (DLP)

    Unless you can produce that illusive LEC ……before then !!!

    If all of your predictions could not hold true..,…you really you have a ghost 👻 of a chance without an LEC ..,, after purporting to be LEGIT ????

    Wheel & coming again !!!


  64. This dumb fractured damaged ass is doing a really good job of fooling himself and other broken yardfowls…but no one else..lol


  65. @ Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 11:37 AM

    Fractured you would accept that you are Broken foul-foot of a yard fowl like a vulture picking at the rotten remnants of the dying calf tethered and teetering next to the cesspool of deceitful lying pricks pissing in George Street.

    You can twist the truth about Mia and end up like Kaymar; but you must stop telling lies on the miller.

    In January 2008 the miller never heard about BU, Stinkliar or even you, Fractured Fowl Steven the sartorial obese Black clown.

    Yes, indeed! Dems again in 2018, either by hook or crook (again).

    That would throw poor MAM into immediate cardiac arrest which not even her buddy Stinkliar would wish for.

    BTW, before we get to prosecute Mia for the fraud of not possessing an LEC let us hear about the voter fraud witnessed by the very eyes of the AG,PM and that motor-mouth Donville.

    The bald-pooch Cat got ya tongue on that one???

    But as Pitbull Estwick’s mother told him: “Time longer than twine!” It’s just a matter of time before the obese jockey falls off the dead horse. Ask Fumble what he meant when he ‘whispered’ that (sotto voce) to OSA.


  66. • Many professionals in Barbados not paying to the government the taxes they owe !!
    • Many property owners not paying to the government land taxes that are owed !!!
    • Many business owners not paying to the government corporation tax or VAT owed to government !!

    And the solution to this continual law breaking activity is an amnesty? “tough as ass” or “soft as shite”?


  67. Northern all thus sh.it was orchestrated and accommodated under the blp and rolled into the laps of tge present govt. Leave it to me i would have put a double bolt and chain on those business and sell them off on the court house steps . No fuk. …ing joking


  68. @Fractured, a Damascene about turn on lies and fabrication – and the usual battle with English grammar. From expertise on management theory, to climate change, to medical science, to education policy, to finance, to economics – and everything in between. Some of us are obviously more talented than others.
    In the meantime, back in the real world, Barbados is so steep in decline that apart from the pro-party mumbo jumbo, there is no serious debate about economic policy.
    As I have mentioned on numerous occasions, Barbados is under-performing the regional and global economies. Why is this?
    The world – both developed and emerging markets – is undergoing an incredible asset prices boom (remember this when it comes to the sale of C&W shares); twice since 1881 has CAPE reached these astronomical numbers, 1929 and at the turn of the century; the S&P alone has risen by about 13 per cent (remember this when it comes to the under-performing NIS investments); investors looking for yield are even investing in high-risk treasuries.
    Our economy has performed so badly that even Argentina, a nation notorious for defaulting on its debt, six times in the last century, the last time in 2014, that it recently issued a 100-year bond for which it was over-subscribed.
    All these and our academic economists, pubic intellectuals and economic policy analysts have failed to explain the to a knowledge-hungry public. In the meantime, long-term real interest rates have been falling since about 1980 (remember this when it comes to explaining our economic predicament and its solutions with the post-war Bretton Woods policies), a phenomenon that macro-economists are still battling to explain. Since then, we have seen a number of paradigm shifts in the dominant economic consensus, particular since 2007/8. Yet, somehow, Barbadians are still discussing the management of the economy in the same language and using the same tools used by those in the 1950s and 60s. When some of us call for a robust, open discussion, we are met with abuse and vulgarities.
    There are no easy answers, but a serious attempt at a grown-up debate may help us towards finding solutions for our problems.
    .


  69. @angela
    it would appear to me, it has been ongoing for many, many years; and NONE of the administrations, either prior or current, have done anything to curb it.
    This blame game you like, only works in the first two years of a new administration, not years 8 + 9. If by then nothing has been done, it either isn’t important or they have no solution. Since there are solutions, I would politely suggest, it wasn’t important.


  70. @Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 11:37 AM #

    We predicted devaluation for summer 2017 and we got devaluation, namely 2 % external (Foreign Exchange Fee) and 10 % internal (Social Responsibility Plantation Tax) in nominal Terms, translating into an inflation of 20 % for most consumer goods.

    So what?


  71. the electorate in Trinidad is ready to kick Rowley to the curb because 2 years into his administration he is still blaming Kamla for everything, because he has no solutions despite all his preelection false promises, trinis cuss him daily on facebook as a matter of course….lol

    just imagine listening to clown ministers and their useless, sour yardfowls blame the previous government every day for nearly 10 years, for their own neglect and incompetence….

    the electorate will be more than happy to kick them all to the curb, never to be elected again, not even as dog catchers.


  72. Miller

    That’s the well you have dug for yourself

    You changed your moniker so many times that you cannot remember what sign in moniker you used in 2008 !

    By the way Gregory Nicholls was brought to Court on the charge of ” Vote buying ” ! How you mean the PM & Adriel ain’t identify the culprit ?


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  74. @ Fractured BLP October 6, 2017 at 2:20 PM
    “You changed your moniker so many times that you cannot remember what sign in moniker you used in 2008 !”

    Poor fool you are!

    David of BU must be having a really good laugh at you watching the miller take the mickey out of a ‘Fractured’ fool.

    The Anunnaki challenges you to state just one other moniker the miller has ever used on BU and David King would expose the miller as the anonymous Hal hiding behind the mask of an accredited cretin called ac aka “waiting” aka “commentator” aka Fractured DLP.

    Not even Alvin Cummins would stoop that low(e) as to humiliate the miller’s son by revealing his anonymous connection to a founding member of the real party of dear loving people; and not in anyway associated with the current piss-bucket of low-class shit hounds destroying that former ‘hallowed’ institution which was in the vanguard for political, economic and social reform.

    But that is what happens when people of class make the mistake of inviting pigs to a party in a castle. It is eventually turned into a sty of smelly crap. Even the Prodigal son would turn down any offer to mingle with the current swine of DLP swill.

    Sleep comfortably, Dear Great Uncle Wynter C!
    May Light perpetual shine on you and grant you eternal peace of mind!


  75. @ Hal Austin October 6, 2017 at 12:58 PM
    “There are no easy answers, but a serious attempt at a grown-up debate may help us towards finding solutions for our problems.”

    Poor Hal!

    If only he could keep to his imaginary principles and just don’t respond to contributors hiding behind a mask of anonymity whether “Fractured” or operating behind a deceitful veil of a blasted lying pimp (BLP).

    Since you are extremely worried about the marked absence of serious debate about Barbados’s financial and economic problems on the BU forum why not take up Artax’s challenge and submit your ‘paper’ on the management of Barbados’s foreign reserves?

    Wouldn’t that show a measure of leadership in intellectual matters even if not in managing you own personal life and household?

    Come on now, Hal be a man and show us your intellectual mettle. Where is the paper you promised to lead off the high-level intellectual debate?

    PS: We don’t want it in the form of your boringly long-winded rambling “Notes from a Native Son”.

    Just cut to the chase and let us on BU be dazzled by your intellectual brilliance from which the miller will learn not only ‘proper’ grammar and Basic Queen’s English but also to imitate a real polymath.

    If you don’t do that by weekend the miller might just be forced to expose you for what you really are.
    Just a two-bit piece of black jumped-up shit of stupid West Indian origin who falsely thinks name-dropping is a passport to social circles of intellectual worth.

    Now shoo fly until you are summoned to feed on the academic leftovers!


  76. Miller,
    Why do you want to call my name in your inane presentations?
    Note what Hal said: “investors looking for yield are even investing in high-risk treasuries.” Seems that Barbados is a good place for investors, since the recent downgrade places the country in that category. Is this what you lot are hoping for? The “solution” is critical of the present government because it would not fall into the “debt trap” that the BLP seems to be advocating; to get out of what he sees as the “death-spiral. To my mind the present government is applying the medicine needed. Never mind the kicking and screaming. don’t approach the IMF for loans, live within our means, those who want to live above their means must paY THE PENALTY; THROUGH TAXES AND LEVIES, REDUCE THE DEBT OWED GRADUALLY, AND PAY INCREASES in salaries when you have enough money to do it without borrowing. What I would like this present government to do is increase the pressure on businesses to stop using VAT revenues, and NIS employee contributions(deductions) to supplement their cash flow. If the government were paid the money owing by businesses we would not have this imbalance.
    Just a question, do you too fall into the category of: “of stupid West Indian origin ,” or are you from a more titled, but less enlightened origin?


  77. Grenville;
    Why do you persist in trying to apply “solutions” that have no relevance? You postulate that Solution 1 would be to:
    The first is to increase Government revenues by lowering taxes and making them fair, and easier to calculate, pay and audit.
    You assume that lowering taxes will increase revenues. Very good theoretically, but you yourself admit that there is money owed to government by both individuals and businesses. The advent of computers and other means for increasing productivity ,just mean that these things are easier to audit and calculate. Payment is another matter. Government has to find a way to MAKE those who owe pay.
    You also advocate: “fining those who receive and pay bribes up to 10 times the value of the bribe, and rewarding the whistle-blower with the full value of the bribe.” In other words you advocate condoning wrong, because you want to reward someone who exposes wrongdoing. If it is wrong it should be exposed without the hope or expectation of being rewarded.
    Your assumption that advancement in the civil service is dependent on politics and politicians. You show scANT RESPECT for those who advance through merit, continuing education, or other sacrifices etc. This is the cynical attitude adopted by local business, and drivers of local private enterprise; disseminated outside that deters persons wanting to do business with the country.
    Wheel and come again.


  78. @ Alvin Cummins October 9, 2017 at 10:48 AM

    We can see you are getting really scarce and scared while perching on a rather defensive fence as the Deceitful Lying Party of chickens are coming home to roost in the coming weeks.

    So why is the government looking to borrow $200 million from loan sharks instead of going to the IMF of which it has been a longstanding member (in good standing)?

    Is it really for infrastructural development or to meet its upcoming foreign debt obligations in order to stave off default which will definitely put the devaluation cat among the forex-starved pigeons?

    Barbados has borrowed from the IMF on two previous occasions.

    The last occasion was when the economy was batt(l)ing like Sobers and firing on all cylinders which ended in a dud of sputtering leading to a fire sale of privatization and that famous 8% cut.

    What is wrong with going a third time in order to ensure the programme of fiscal and economic restructuring promised in the Ministerial Statement of December 2013 be effectively executed 5 years onward?

    Alvin we thought you were a great admirer of Wynter Algernon Crawford? Isn’t that good enough ‘stock’ of intellectual breeding from which to be a scion?
    The miller’s son was just asking for a testimonial of his less “titled” but more ‘enlighteningly rebellious’ pedigree.


  79. Miller:
    Re: @ Alvin Cummins October 9, 2017 at 10:48 AM

    “We can see you are getting really scarce and scared …”

    I already stated on this forum that I am scared of no one or circumstance, neither am I scarce. I was busy with other pursuits; not trivial, and BU is not a priority. I am independent; and live within my means, ‘neither being a borrower or lender’ (don’t have enough to be much of a lender, but more of a giver.). I am indeed a great admirer of Mr Crawford; being within his generation, and am familiar with his contributions to the advancement of the country.
    The approach to the IMF; depending on the circumstances has been under the administrations of BOTH BLP and DLP. There is nothing wrong with approaching lending institutions; IF THERE IS NEED TO APPROACH IT, OR THEM., depending on the circumstance and the terms.THERE IS NO NEED AT THIS TIME FOR THIS APPROACH. WE ARE TRYING TO LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS. WE ARE TRYING TO REDUCE OUR DEBT BURDEN.We are trying to preserve whatever foreign exchange we have. WHY THEN INCREASE OUR DEBT BURDEN BY BORROWING FROM OUTSIDE? YOU ACKNOWLEDGE, BUT DO NOT COMMEND THE GOVERNMENT FOR BEING “in GOOD STANDING” WITH THE IMF. Because your bank invites you to ‘come in and borrow, does not mean you have to go. It is wise to hold that in abeyance. There is nothing wrong with prioritizing our spending and revenue streams; whether for infrastructural development or to pay foreign debts is dependent on the expertise of the advisers to government. I am sure you are aware; that the steps taken by the Minister of finance, are within the guideline mentioned by the IMF personnel at the conclusion of their last article 1V consultation visit. Unfortunately you will never give credit where it is due. No Miller, we will not fall into that trap.You will have to grin and bear it.


  80. Why is approaching the IMF seen as the panacea for our economic ills? There is something about our national psychology that is really irritating.
    Someone has just told me of two elderly Barbadians, one man and one woman, who have just lost their social carers because of their obstinacy and rudeness. Immediately I was told this I thought of some contributors to BU.
    I am not a psychologist, but there must be a deep cultural explanation of our psychological condition.


  81. @ Alvin Cummins October 9, 2017 at 2:02 PM
    “I am sure you are aware; that the steps taken by the Minister of finance, are within the guideline mentioned by the IMF personnel at the conclusion of their last article 1V consultation visit. Unfortunately you will never give credit where it is due. No Miller, we will not fall into that trap.You will have to grin and bear it.”

    Good response, AC!

    Almost an AC(e) of shot in putting up a spirited but futile defence against the Borg of pending financial assimilation.

    Barbados is already in a massive debt trap just awaiting the IMF fire equipment to rescue its sorry ass.

    It’s a pity the former Guv of the Central Bank does not share your opinion.

    Isn’t that a convincing case of ‘giving credit where credit’ is due when it comes to coming clean with the Truth?

    The money printing press is no longer fed with NIS monopoly paper but hidden in a dark room painted by Thomas de la Rue.

    No, my friend, the MoF is not within the guidelines agreed with the IMF. Why be a member if you don’t want to follow the rules of fiscal prudence?

    Until the MoF and his boss do something meaningful with the source of the fiscal ‘infection’; that is, the restructuring, merging and elimination of those SOE’s promised since December 2013 he will always be in the bad books of the IMF and indeed its forensic auditors, the credit rating agencies.


    • The high cost of servicing the debt is one of the immediate challenges isn’t it. The advocates of the IMF option is lured by getting access to cheap USD. Of course it will take 6 to 9 months to prepare a proposal/design a program.

      On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Barbados Underground wrote:

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  82. @ David October 9, 2017 at 6:37 PM

    Good point on which to pivot this discussion which has far-reaching implications and ramifications over the coming months and years.

    There is a “proposal/design program” ready for submission only requiring the political will and decision. Its genesis can be found in the MoF’s December 2013 statement of intent.
    Why do you think the MoF is talking about getting the ‘buy-in’ from various sectors of the business community and civil society?

    Not this time from any group of “Eminent persons” within the Cabinet but a bunch of scapegoats for a decision which should have been taken way back when OSA was like the Cassandra not of doom and gloom but that of a proactive voice of wisdom from a realm of experience and love of his country.

    The longer the delay to go to the doctor for radical surgery, the more painful would be the recovery after having to swallow the bitterest of medicine.


  83. Where is Dr David Estwick’s voice in all of this mess?

    His party has destroyed Barbados our once fair land. History will not be kind to any of them.

    Truth be told, even though he was overlooked for the Finance Ministry twice, he initially tried to help them , foolhardly though it was but he seemed to understand how the economy works and what corrective measures were needed.

    He truthfully told the idiots that they were responsible for the state of the economy. He had to beg for an audience with the Pm at a cabinet meeting…..remember?

    His silence speaks volumes…..Barbadians will never forget that these wildboys stood together and let an economically challenged buffoon destroyed our fair land.

    They are all responsible!


  84. how many years has Jamaica a sister island nation has been in an IMF program just goes to show that with all the expert economist Jamaica has gotten no where too fast in easing its economics woes, even more than that Jamaica social environment has totally collapsed unable to withstand the harsh economic policies of the IMF program
    Is that what the BLP operative wish to see happen to tiny Barbados


  85. Hi Alvin:

    Lowering taxes is a proven and relevant method of raising revenues. Please review “A New Measure of Taxation: An Application to Barbados” by Greenidge and Drakes.

    Our method of addressing corruption is effective. Can you suggest a more effective method?

    Best regards,
    Grenville


  86. The reality being Barbados is cash poor .The reality being that barbados internal debts are high most of which are attached to govt sponsored programs and jobs. The reality being that lowering taxes in an overheated fiscal enviroment would not resolve the problem of govt lowering its debt. Unless govt makes an unsustainable decision to make the citizens pay for all social programs which are now free and dispose of about ten thousand civil servants . Yes people would have money but lets not fool our selves. The taxes when rolled over to the people would not be enough to pull two or more wagons. Granville you ought to speak with a degree of honesty explaining to the people how you will implement a lower tax policy and its impact on the social programs


  87. Angela,

    Reality is that Barbados is a big plantation where taxpayers feed judges and other civil servants who go to work at 9 AM and leave at 3 PM.

    Reality is that education at UWI did not work but produced a bunch of figures with the mindset of the 1950s.

    Reality is that even the relatives of Ministers complain about corruption.

    Reality is that jobs in the public service are granted not by merit but by cronyism.

    Reality is that foreign investors turned away from Barbados.

    Reality is that Barbados became a place where every visiting supremacist feels confirmed that all countries in the South must fail as a natural law.

    I wish you good luck next year in Toronto, Florida or Zurich, where you can live amongst the whites and leave behind the black masses.


    • The reality is that Barbados has significant debt repayments due in the next few months and given foreign reserves is in danger of default.


  88. Tron you have adressed your concerns to the wrong person.
    The reality at present shows that Solution Barbados is presenting an alternative pervasive of vodoo economics which was tried tested and failed and which was a pivotol part in the last global economic melt down. Where economist told small island nations that it was ok to borrow and keep their economies afloat on small taxation.
    Well the chicken has come home to roost and now we have once again a modern day pied piper using the same tactics to lure a country right back into the lions den


  89. Sir sorry if you misinterpreted what i said. However note worthy and of importance towardsthe implementation of the owering of taxes is questionable as to how solutions would tackle debt sustain foreign reserves at adequate levels and keep social programs available to all and sundry
    Never heard of any country whose debt levels are low struggling to keep head above water implementing solutions advocated alternatives
    However granted i would say this much any economy having done as you advocate would be one that have high levels of productivity which can maintain and produce sufficient levels of financial revenue throughout the economy
    So far barbados levels of any form of productivity and financial revenue stems from the Tourism sector which is volatile to global economic shocks. Other than Tourism what else does barbados have to offer that would be advantageous to garnishing revenue in the event their is a revenue shortage after taxes are lowered


  90. I wonder which one of the Angela Skeete’s wrote those responses?

    What rubbish……. no wonder Sinckler still remains the MoF in this inept DLP administration.

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