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Grenville Phillips II, leader of Solutions Barbados

Whenever examination result are announced in Barbados, there is the predictable call for fundamental changes to our educational system.  With approximately 60% of our secondary school students failing to achieve grades 1 or 2 CSEC passes, the system clearly need improving.  However, an analysis of the recommended changes reveals that the aim is not to reduce the failure rate, but rather, to divert those whom they consider ‘non-academic’ into trade schools, where they can learn to ‘work with their hands’.

Hands do not work by themselves.  The same brain activity required to guide a surgeon’s hands is the same that is required to guide an artisan’s.  Further, the consequences of failure for both can be disastrous.  A surgeon’s error can result in the death of his or her patient, and the artisan steel-bender’s error can result in the collapse of a multi-storey building.

With proper training, the surgeon can learn to do the steel-bender’s work and the steel-bender can learn to do the surgeon’s.  The reason why one became a surgeon and the other a steel-bender is based on the incorrect assumption that some secondary students are not academically suited, and should be sent to ‘work with their hands’.  All of our secondary school students can learn – they just need time and encouragement.
In primary school, I had difficulty understanding the school work.  My teachers did their best, but I simply could not understand most mathematical concepts – like the square root.  In response, for one year my mother taught me English, my father taught me mathematics, and I was not allowed to enter the ‘living room’ which contained the television.  With much effort, I passed the Common Entrance Examination for Combermere School.

I entered Combermere School in 1975 in lower first form.  I remember the feelings of accomplishment when I realised that I was actually understanding the work.  However, I soon recognised that I had another problem.  While the teacher’s and text book’s explanations were understandable, I had difficulty remembering the material once the teacher left the classroom, or once I closed my text book.  My brain seemed to leak knowledge like how a sieve leaks liquid, so that there was very little left to recall during tests and examinations.

After the first term, we were handed yellow report books.  Mine read: “Number of boys in Class: 29.  Position in Class: 29”, and occupying the highest possible position, I thought that I came first.  I proudly declared that to anyone who asked me, until I happened upon Peter Riley, who claimed that he came first.  I was about to challenge the accuracy of that assertion, but then realised that Peter was the brightest boy in the class, and I was not.  As God is my witness, it was only then that it began to dawn on me that in this case, the highest number was not the most favourable.

In 1976 I was promoted to upper first form, and girls entered the lower first form.  In 1977, I entered second form.  However, they abolished the upper first form and there were suddenly girls in my classroom.  I was now 13 years old, and the novel feelings associated with puberty made the girls an impossible distraction to me.

When an attractive girl sat next to me in class, and her skirt rose above her knee to expose her thighs, then the teacher taught me in vain.  The only subjects that I had decent marks in were technical drawing and industrial arts – where I worked with my hands.  Recognizing this problem, I read the textbooks at home, but the challenges of recalling information persisted well into 4th form.

Occupying the bottom third of the class for most of my secondary school life, I observed too many boys giving up prematurely.  One senior teacher revealed his observation that most boys gave up in third form.  Sometime between late 4th and mid-5th form, my brain seemed to mature, and I began to both understand and remember the work.  Had I not kept persisting, had my parents not kept encouraging me, then I would not be a structural engineer today.

The solution is to keep all of our secondary school students interested enough in the school work, until their brains have had a chance to develop to both understand and remember information.  In a Solutions Barbados administration, the secondary school curriculum will be redesigned, so that the first 3 years will be dedicated to teaching the more practical aspects of subjects, like: music-by-ear, conversational languages, applied sciences, English literature, art, technical drawing and home economics.  The final 2 years will be reserved for adding the more theoretical CXC requirements.

Grenville Phillips II is the founder of Solutions Barbados and can be reached at NextParty246@gmail.com

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148 responses to “The Grenville Phillips Column – To Trade School With You!”

  1. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    Artax

    It is very discouraging to think that the Barbados system of recruitment continues to operate on personal preference and not see that it’s these choices that got the whole system frig to shite up. I am not sure if I should say that the government system is a dismal failure because they are some civil servants who are tops at what they do but stifled by a system that seems hell-bent on keeping productivity at its lowest ebbs. Shite might as well say it, the whole government system is a function in stifled.


  2. WW did they not just do millions of pounds in renovations,being very knowledgeable in fire and electricity and not jumping to any conclusion other than the cladding to help insulate the building may have been a factor, lets wait for results . But using these peoples deaths to promote a racial theory and the muslim mayor doesnt care for his constituents is just wrong.


  3. @Lawson to your well made point at 2:12 and earlier remarks you know well enough some of the possible fundamentals of that investigative report.

    Without jumping to ANY conclusions it’s fair to say that there was ‘negligence’ at play re the fire safeguards in that building.

    Whether it was willful criminal negligence that can be punished under the law is the question to be determined.

    It is painful to read some of the stories. One couple on the 23rd fl called their family at times over the duration of the inferno…from inception when it was supposedly only on the third floor giving their parents an assurance that all was well. Then later with their early morning calls they told their parents: goodbye, we’ll see you anon in heaven….the phone lies went silent.

    After the tears, how in ‘Heavens name’ is it possible in a modern high-rise building that an apt fire is not contained in that apt. or surely on that floor ….certainly those tenants expected that or were told by the authorities to seek safety on-site.

    Something is awfully amiss with this…as it generally is whenever we have these horrendous infernos.

    There are a lots of questions to be answered.


  4. @ de pedantic Dribbler who wrote ” ‘Heavens name’ is it possible in a modern high-rise building”

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/london-fire-grenfell-tarling-expert-1.4163560

  5. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…you can guarantee the outcome of any investigation will be ugly, very ugly.we are talking about the pretensious UK here, these are not good people by any standards, this one is dufficult to spin, the government cannot slither out of this, they caused those deaths.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/grenfell-fire-protests-live-latest-theresa-may-downing-street-kensington-news-updates-a7794296.html

    The people have a right to be angry, the government is trying to cover up…many lives were lost, unnecessarily.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-residents-kensington-town-hall-fire-demand-answers-protest-council-chelsea-borough-a7793906.html


  6. Dribbler in my home town the building code part 9 retro fit called for upgrades of fire systems sprinklers elevators etc on older buildings this building wasnt that old apparently 40 years or so. I would be surprised if it wasnt concrete pidgeon hole construction .In ontario I do not believe anyone has died staying in their apt in a fire other than the one of origin in a building of that construction. So you have to look at other things cladding , hallway carpets ,wallpaper interior of ducting unsealed chases for chimney effect etc

  7. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…as recent as 2013, the BMO building on King Street, downtown Toronto was forced to close certain parts because there were no fire escapes, just an elevator, any fire in there would have been catastrophic, someone complained so the city forced them to close and install safety exists, no building should have only one exit, that is criminal.

  8. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    What makes this so tragic 911 told the people to stay put, fire fighters will save them. They were waiting to be saved, many of them could have tried to make their way out as so many did…


  9. WW let the investigation play out,it maybe the contractor used inferior material,it could be poor specs by city planners it could be the fire systems were not maintained, it could be someone disabled the systems. People are looking for someone to blame in any tragedy especially a preventable one its hardly surprising but certain people use times like this to further their agenda rather than waiting for the facts or in spite of the facts . But all I can say is to put forward the premise that the fire dept, the city council the mayor the primeminister etc would intentionally allow this to happen and revel in their misery is warped.


  10. WW what????? are you saying there was only elevators and no interior stairs to each floor, not a chance how high was the building

  11. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Boris was asked: ‘How can cutting fire stations, cutting fire engines and cutting firefighters post not be a reduction in fire cover? You’ve lied to the people of London.’

    He replied: ‘Oh, get stuffed.’
    ‘Boris’s own comments have come back to haunt him’
    The London Assembly member who Boris Johnson told to ‘get stuffed’ has said the former Mayor of London was ‘throwing mud’ when he accused Labour of ‘outrageous politicking’ over the Grenfell fire.
    inews.co.uk
    https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/boris-johnson-accuses-labour-outrageous-politicking-grenfell-tower-fire/

  12. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…you git way too much faith in these demons who only care about weakthy people and themselves.

    Those poor people who doed did not kill themselves, this is not about letting things play out, they will lie and coverup.

    BTW….the judge in you and Chadster’s other boyfriend’s case refuses to allow a mistrial…I dont envy the jurors….you 2 seem to love losers…lol

    “NORRISTOWN, Pa. — The judge in Bill Cosby’s sexual assault trial has rejected another defense motion for a mistrial over a struggling jury, instead sending the jurors back again to continue deliberating for a fifth day on Friday.

    Judge Steven O’Neill has now rejected two motions for a mistrial within the first three hours Friday morning. The jury has been deliberating more than 43 hours since they got the case Monday evening.

    O’Neill told lead defense attorney Brian McMonagle that he has no authority to interrupt a jury that is actively deliberating, no matter how long they go on. So far Friday, there is no indication that the jurors are not progressing with their deliberations, O’Neill said.

    “I have no ability to do anything other than what I have done in this case,” O’Neill said. The jury “has been working extraordinarily hard for the past 26 hours” since they announced they were deadlocked on all three counts on Thursday and the judge told them to try again.

    O’Neill said McMonagle should provide legal precedents to show when a judge interrupted and ended ongoing deliberations. “You’ve given me no cases…that a judge has a right to stop a jury from deliberating when they are actively deliberating,” O’Neill said.

    © Provided by USA Today
    McMonagle countered that jurors may believe they are obligated to continue hashing out a unresolvable dispute, following O’Neill’s statement from yesterday directing the body to continue after they announced a deadlock.

    O’Neill did say he “intends to act” if jurors indicate again they are hopelessly deadlocked.

    The jury also requested more read-backs of trial testimony, the eighth time they’ve done so since they got the case. The latest read-back covered phone calls made between Cosby and accuser Andrea Constand and her mother, Gianna Constand, who testified for the prosecution, a year after the encounter between Cosby and Constand at his nearby home.

    “We’re being asked to review the entire trial,” McMonagle protested. The defense maintains that jurors have deliberated long enough and would not come to a unanimous verdict.

    Before denying this morning’s mistrial motion, Judge O’Neill warned Cosby that if he does declare a mistrial later, and prosecutors retry the case, Cosby cannot then argue a double jeopardy defense.

    The judge also read to the jury the definition of “reasonable doubt.” Additionally, they requested he re-read excerpts from testimony about what Cosby said about his use of the now-banned sedative Quaaludes to give to women he sought for sex. O’Neill read from Cosby’s 2005 deposition in a civil suit Constand filed against him.

    “Question: When you got the Quaaludes, was it in your mind that you would use these Quaaludes to give to women you wanted to have sex with? Answer: Yes. Question: Did you ever give the Quaaludes to women without their knowledge? Answer: No. Question: Did you know at that time that it was illegal for you to dispense those drugs? Answer: Yes.”

  13. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…you know the BMO building on Kingstreet is skyscraper high, with many different sections for different companies, well the 4th floor had no escape exits, only 2 elevators, they spent a couple months putting exits where Rogers had some offices, dont know if the whole building required that….you do know there is a subway under that building with many stores, you cannot play with people’s lives.

    Anyway, in these tragedies, someone is always responsible.

  14. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Both Boris Johnson and May should be fired, all others involved should go to prison.

  15. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    The Labour MP for Kensington said that there had been concerns “the development of the estates is part of a social cleansing programme”.
    Grenfell Tower was “prettified” at the expense of safety to make the area look nicer, says MP
    Grenfell Tower was “prettified” at the expense of safety in order to make the area look nicer for wealthier residents, the newly elected Labour MP for Kensington…
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk
    http://thetim.es/2sGfHTv

  16. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Vincent…that is why everyone is asking them, how they like the “prettified” view now.


  17. Vincent there is a balance with cutting fire service , fiscal responsibility and safety people like to have it both ways but cant. they decide what they can live with and without in a budget. Because of fire prevention, smoke alarms etc the fire service has been reduced over the years and it is only larger disasters that shine a light of the slow erosion of the fire service just like the military or any emergency service. But to put the blame on the rich for wanting a prettier view as a cause for the fire sure seems stupid,
    The firefighters that responded there earned their pay that night and deserve a heartfelt thanks.fighting a fire in a highrise is one of the hardest even when it is only one apt.

  18. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    The Notting Hill pastor who criticised London’s rich and poor divide after the Grenfell Tower fire has received an outpouring of support from the community to his church.

    More than 100 volunteers have offered their time and many more have donated boxes and bags full of supplies to help the families affected by the fire.

    https://www.facebook.com/theipaper/videos/1494872347240055/

  19. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Lawson…cutting from the poor to make the rich more comfortable and greedy has never helped the poor….it has always resulted in death to the poor.

  20. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-residents-fears-warnings-ignored-kensington-chelsea-borough-council-tmo-a7794086.html

    It’s not only ethnic minorities and Blacks were in the building, there were many working class whites, that is what you get in council housing a mixed bag.

    This just exposes these governments for the pimps they are kowtowing to paper gods while ignoring the welfare and wellbeing of taxpayers, the majority who really keep the economies afloat.

  21. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    It does not get clearer than this….

    “Peter John, leader of Southwark Council, where six people died in the Lakanal House tower block fire in 2009, has complained that spending restrictions imposed by central Government are limiting local authorities’ ability to build safety features into high rises.

    He told the BBC: “You don’t hear of tragedies like this happening in private blocks. It is a scandal, an absolute scandal that it only seems to befall public housing and social housing”.


  22. The 5:12 PM rings some very strange bells, @lawson

    You appear to be suggesting a rather Dickensian ‘bah humbug’ to fire service professionals from politicians and corporate elite with your remark: “Because of fire prevention, smoke alarms etc the fire service has been reduced over the years…”.

    Surely you can’t be offering that there has been an ‘erosion of the fire service’ because there are more smoke and fire alarms and other fire-prevention devices!

    I know that every few years there are contentious budget debates in most major cities under deficit constrains re closing fire-houses and reducing other municipal services but does that have ANYTHING to do with this tragedy.

    No one disputes the awesome bravery of firemen (and police officers) as franjkly it takes a special kind of human hero to rush into a burning building to climb 20 or more flights not knowing if the building will become your tomb…job or no job that is super fantastic to be so invested when any day at work could be your last day in life.

    So there should never be a debate about aesthetics and pretty enhancements at the expense of human lives.

    This cladding material and the process used seems to be the culprit of this inferno and that is all about terrible decision making by fire-experts, the manufacturers of the product and regulators.

    It is nonsensical to read as has been reported that the cladding material is like candle-wax or a matchstick…i.e. easily melted or leading to major conflagration quickly.

    How do these things get past the testing and regulatory process!!!

    Of course it’s possible to have good looks and safety too…. in fact it should always be safety and then good looks.

    The blame goes to the greedy corporate executives.

    From a Bajan perspective the only saving grace is to see that outsize ‘cock-ups’ happen in the big cities just as easily as with our local greedy political prostitutes.

    Somebody needs to ‘swing’ for this.

    Case in point: the officials in Flint, Michigan US have been indicted on ‘involuntary manslaughter’ for the water problems they created which caused deaths. Will they be convicted is another story but the indictment alone is massive.


  23. So what is the alternative, demolish these buildings and force people out of the cities because if they dont have money for fire services and fire equipment they dont have money for building new residences.


  24. Dribbler that is exactly the truth…. because of fire prevention and smoke alarms fire losses have become less allowing for a reduction in manpower. Its not that there are less fires but they are noticed sooner and are put out before they become conflagrations. If it wasnt for insurance companys demanding a certain level of response of men and equipment in a certain time frame the premiums would skyrocket So thats where the budget problems come in. When the facts all come out it may not be the cladding by itself but the sealant to hold it on or some other thing , each on there own passing spec but together under fire conditions doomed to fail

  25. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    The good thing is we were able to draw parallels between the destructive social system copied from the UK, including the education system which deteriorated significantly just like UK….and should have been upgraded and definitely discarded at least 30 years ago by both governments….and by all Caribbean governmentd.

    Maybe if we can find intelligent leaders with the capabilities of redesigning the education system to fit from primary school level kids, assess them and ultimately fit them into areas that match their interests and skills set, and redesigning the social system to fit the majority population on the island…..it would go a long way in halting the currentnrapid degradation of the society model handed down by a vile and savage british social system.


  26. Hal Austin, a very excel point regarding the international teaching strategy which goes right above the head of some people here whom having been in an academic institution abroad in the last three decades or so.

  27. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Question to be answered:-

    Should the the Hyatt nonsense ever be built here to its specs,do we have the ability to deal with a fire if one erupted anywhere in it?

    Note the the high rise was 24 floors in London…..their fire service only had equipment to reach 11 floors…..we want a 15 floor ignorance here…


  28. @ Vincent Haynes,

    The Hyatt building will be designed and built to meet NFPA standards.


  29. Grenfell Towers met all building and fire regulations.

  30. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    https://goo.gl/5foJ6P

    Mia again.


  31. Thank you, Dompey. It is a challenge.

  32. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Hants June 17, 2017 at 8:52 AM #

    The Hyatt building will be designed and built to meet NFPA standards.

    Hal Austin June 17, 2017 at 9:22 AM #

    Grenfell Towers met all building and fire regulations.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………

    Hants…..the above says it all!!

    Hal…..Thanks.


  33. It is sad that the lessons from the Grenfell Tower tragedy seem to be passing many of the commenters in this forum by, like in a number of other topics.
    First, let us return to the awful Muslim mayor of this great city: a major tragedy involving people from ethnic and religious minorities and it took him ages to get on the scene. Whether he was coming from City Hall or from his Tooting Home, it would not take more than half hour.
    Then when he got there he allowed a barrier of white police officers to get between him and his people. This is not racism, but calling it for what it is.
    Then this great Muslim mayor was heckled by a crowd made up of all kinds of people and was even asked by a 7 yr old Muslim boy what he was going to do about the tragedy. He is a disgrace. This is not racism, as I have said, but calling out an over-ambitious man for what he is.
    On the other hand, look at how Jeremy Corbyn, the man he is hoping to replace as Labour leader, responded. Corbyn was there the following day, he was hugging people and showing empathy, and making a bold speech calling for the culprits to be prosecuted. The 90 yr old Queen, took some time to say anything or appear on the scene, but when she did she talked to people, sympathised with them, showed her humanity; her grand son, Prince William, was met by the crowd like the prince he is; they wanted to talk to him and he to them; when his grandmother was ready to leave duty meant he had to leave with her, but note before getting in to the car he told the crowd he wold be back.
    Here was a young man with an understanding of ache – an inheritance from his mother. And we all know that Theresa May had to make two visits to even say between clinched teeth how sorry she was.
    The other aspect was the ethnic cleansing: remember shortly after the tragedy May said all the victims would be rehoused in the same area, which is important. Now she is saying there will be rehoused within London. London is a big city.
    For those who do not understand the politics, Kensington and Chelsea is the wealthiest borough in Britain with homes costing the equivalent of entire streets in other well to do areas.
    In the South of the borough some apartments cost millions of pounds.
    The problem is not with high rise apartments, but with high rise apartments on the cheap. Number one Hyde Park is also high rise, but it is like paradise in the sky. A fire in One Hyde Park will be out in seconds, because there are sprinklers every few metres.
    It would have cost Kensington and Chelsea £2000 more to install sprinklers in Grenfell Towers, but why should they spend that money, it was social housing, only poor people.
    Yet, the four top managers in the management organisation – remember this is social housing – received last year a total of £650000, that is more than the prime minister earns and over £13000 a month on average.
    In other words, the managers earned on average more in a week than it would have taken to install sprinklers in that block of flats – and would have saved over 100 lives.
    This is what the class war means, what social injustice is, what ethnic cleansing is all about.
    Further, only a few days ago the Labour parliamentary candidate for the constituency won the seat by under 200 votes from the Tories in the general election. By rehousing these people outside the borough the evil, wicked Tories are removing those voters from the constituency.
    So, cutting and pasting nonsense like an insane paper cutter from insignificant newspapers may make some people seem informed, but if you miss the nuances you miss the story.

  34. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    So, cutting and pasting nonsense like an insane paper cutter from insignificant newspapers may make some people seem informed, but if you miss the nuances you miss the story.
    …………………

    Hal

    You will find most of the sentiments you expressed by reading those same cut&pastes.


  35. Not really. I worked at the coal face and know many of the people. Many of the reports are not worth a grain of salt.

  36. Vincent Haynes Avatar

    Hmmm……Interesting…..as I arrived at almost the same conclusion as you did by reading the cut&paste jobs.


  37. You know what they say about correlation.


  38. @Hal having worked at the coal face and ingedited all that unhealthy Black soot why not offer readers without the benefit of your experience a less soot-filled dissertation!

    The nuance as you put it is not lost on regular readers that you would condemn the Muslim mayor as a tardy, uninvolved and seemingly reluctant visitor but parse the royal visitors so grandly. Amusing.

    @Vincent your post re the Hyatt height and fire fighting equipment is disingenuous in my view. There are many legitimate concerns regarding Hyatt without such.

    You certainly know that any new property of that type would have a comprehensive sprinkler system in place thus the chance of an inferno like Grenfell is unlikely….well nigh impossible.

    There are massive skyscraperso the world over…are there fireladders that can reach the top….of course not.

    Grenfell is a tragedy born of major operational and regulatory failures but the LACK of fire engines capable of reaching the top …despite the issues of the need for the ladder from Surrey…. was not a pivotal reason.

    Hal …despite his bold faced racist, class rant….did mention some of the issues: corporate greed, fat cat execs not doing proper due diligence, lack of fire safeguards etc.


  39. I have no idea what ‘ingedited’ means so read that as …ingested.

  40. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Hal is still trying to get everyone to ignore main stream journalists, real journalists, to digest his sometimes coherent rants.


  41. Hal do you mean per unit 2000, or maybe a garbage room but being in the construction biz you cannot sprinkler a highrise for 2000 pds . In canada to sprinkler just a new house is a couple of bucks per square foot, I cant imagine a commercial highrise residence, you would need all kinds of systems to monitor what floor, what apt etc. I think you would have to add a few zeros to that number

  42. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    In our brave new world, not all cut and paste news comes from mainstream media.

    “The BBC are refusing to allow people to say how many dead there might be in the horrific fire at Grenfell Tower, so let’s say what everyone’s thinking – we are probably looking at around 200 bodies. Last night there was a very angry and emotional march from the Home Office, via 10 Downing St and the BBC, all the way to Grenfell Tower, with passers-by and drivers cheering and clapping the marchers all the way, where they joined a vigil of local residents.

    An amazing show of solidarity by thousands at very short notice. Today (Saturday) there is another demonstration at Kensington & Chelsea town hall at Midday – and then we have to keep doing this. We need justice, we need this disgusting “government” out and we need tory ministers in jail – and that’s just for starters.”


  43. I read the other day, that the people had complained of cold in the building, maybe while giving the building a face lift an insulation component may have been added to try and help with that problem. No good deed goes unpunished

  44. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    What are you doing to help the victims from the Grenfell fire Hal, besides sucking up to the creeps from buckingham palace.

    I am doing more for them and dont even live there.

    The bottomline is, many are responsible, the greediest and most fraudulent, heartless and vicious  beasts in the society are responsible for those deaths.

    They have not changed their centuries old savage disposition, they have only refined it to an art fprm, only idiots would believe that the descendants of savages, murderers and thieves would be anything but better savages, murderers and thieves.

    Instead of May calling for an inquest, she calls for a public inquiry which she knows will go nowhere and will take upwards of 10 years to complete with the results never made public.

    Lawson…had they spent the money on more durable cladding, that building could not have gone up like lit curtains, that appears to be one factor.

  45. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    The updates people need to know if they lost relatives or friends in that manmade inferno.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-58-missing-dead-police-search-latest-updates-a7795086.html

  46. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    de pedantic Dribbler June 17, 2017 at 11:03 AM #

    Vincent Haynes June 17, 2017 at 9:36 AM #

    Hants June 17, 2017 at 8:52 AM #

    The Hyatt building will be designed and built to meet NFPA standards.

    Hal Austin June 17, 2017 at 9:22 AM #

    Grenfell Towers met all building and fire regulations.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………

    Hants…..the above says it all!!

    Hal…..Thanks.
    ………………………………………………..

    From the above you will note that despite lack of sprinklers it was approved.

    Did I raise a valid concern or not vis a vis the ability of our Fire Service to deal with any fire situations arriving at the proposed 15 storey building?

    I take it that you are aware of the 5 girls that were burnt to death some years ago in a store on Tudor st. …..some allusions were made to lack of equipment and training at the time.

    The cut&paste alluded to all that Hal mentioned other than his pet racist peeve with muslims.

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