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Why do politicians ignore feedback?

The BU household vividly recalls the period during which the Greenland Landfill debate was a hot topic. Despite the sensible feedback offered by Barbadians the government of the day forged ahead with the project and today we are saddled with the result –millions of tax dollars wasted.

Former Minster of Transport and Works John Boyce has come out in defense of the work Government has done to improve traffic congestion in the Greater Warrens, St Michael, area – (Barbados Today 11 February 2014)

In 2014 after the government constructed the Warrens (oblong) roundabout circa 2012 there was an avalanche of criticism about the project and a flood of feedback was offered to the ministry by the public. One does not have to be an expert or consultant to determine that the Warrens roundabout was poorly designed based on the number of accidents and near misses that occur weekly.

How on earth can the authorities permit traffic to cross two lanes to enter the Simpsons complex when exiting from the West? How does one allow traffic to cross two lanes of traffic to enter the Warrens gas station when exiting the roundabout from the East?

Barbadians were pleased however to hear Minister Michael Lashley address the concerns of Barbadians when he finally admitted last week that the Warrens roundabout will undergo remedial work.  Millions of dollars later what was obvious to ordinary Barbadians from the initial construction will be addressed.

No doubt a few will be smiling all the way to the bank.

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104 responses to “Warrens Roundabout – Politicians Must Listen to Citizens”

  1. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Yes….. the Bizzy, Cow, Pemberton 4 seasons scam with Mia Mottley as their lawyer, when they ran out of money and David Thompson intervened ……that cost NIS pension fund 60 million US dollars that none of the ministers will tell the people where that money is……from the Redjet fiasco and 4 seasons scam all these thieves have had their eyes glued to the pension fund.

  2. enuff Avatar
    enuff

    A carefully formulated plan to build fly-overs got derailed by persons, supposedly professional engineers included, driven purely by politics. After grandstanding and politicking on the folly of fly-overs Thompson, given his love for dramatics, ‘fired’ 3S, did not have a better plan and resorted to a make shift solution for a complex problem. I repeat a makeshift solution i.e. government by vaps!! 9 years later we are in a worse traffic management position and surprise…..stupse.

  3. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Hants,
    The reason why even the Dutch are rejecting roundabouts is the accident rate.

  4. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    I remenber 3S had sued the Barbados government for breach of contract, because the other idiot government had contracted them with extremely high cost overruns and Thompson fired them when he was elected, because of course he too had his own greedy agenda. ..whatever happened to that case.

  5. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    http://imgur.com/a/cNMiu

  6. enuff Avatar
    enuff

    Hal – Roundabouts are also locations of high levels of air pollution and are not pedestrian friendly.

  7. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    True. There are also used by Indian gangsters in Britain to deliberate hit cars for insurance purposes.

  8. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    Some time ago I observed in passing certain West Coast high end restaurants I see Mercs,Beamers and Range Rovers parked in the compound.This is 10 am.I have said before that’s why these restaurants charge such high tariff.Its not the expense of the produce and other items,it’s the high life show off albino asses we have on this island that think they are owed a living and are allowed to bring in albino managers and chefs at will.Pay the locals little pay the furriners massive and give them big rides at company expense.Bloody clowns killing the goose.

  9. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Replace roundabouts with traffic lights.

    That would be a nice $20 million project. Who will get the 10% ? lol

  10. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    The ugly man from england just can’t hide his innate dislike for people who he presumes are not as loyal to pound and crown.

    The ‘other’

    This time it is the ‘Indian gangsters’

    This slave is no better than King Dyal, a court jester.

    We have often wonder if there are no ills of those White people or their systems which this consummate idiot find as gangsterism.

    At the centre of British society.

    There has never been any sustain critique of his slave masters.

    Is such a person not worthy of death?

  11. Sunshine Sunny Shine Avatar
    Sunshine Sunny Shine

    There is nothing wrong with roundabouts. Not one bloody thing. The problem is that Barbados road traffic laws are weak, surveillance is even weaker, and penalties too paltry. Technology is available to deal with those who break the traffic rules on a daily basis. It is an easy fix but those in charge seems to love it the way that it is.

  12. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Must agree with you, SSS, I’ve done my driver training in a southern English port city, which had some very complicated roundabouts , at that time. I soon learn to master them, and this is only a couple of months after leaving Barbados, which at the time did not have a single roundabout , not counting the traffic circles which were long established in Rockley and Graeme Hall communities. The only roundabout which I observed presented some problems to unfamiliar drivers , were those in Germany. Germany had two types of roundabouts, a National Roundabout, (Red roundabout sign) and an International Roundabout,(Blue Roundabout Sign) both of exactly the same design. The confusing difference to many was that at the National Roundabout, vehicles already on the roundabout were mandated to give way to traffic on the Right wishing to enter the roundabout. (Germans drive on the Right side of the road)
    The problems at Warrens Roundabout will always be with us,and we will continue to throw good money away in an effort to appease some of the surrounding businesses ,which seemed to have built without proper planning.
    The authorities,whether its Town and Country Planning or MTW ,must bite the bullet and construct industrial ring roads. One encircling the Simpson Motors side and the other the Massy Side. The former accessible from the Jackson Roundabout and the latter from the proposed Cigarette Factory Roundabout, doing away with the lollipops and other “short” term measures, and reverting the Simpson Roundabout to a simple (Bajan) circular roundabout. Thus enable the roads which are now chocked with traffic, to become more or less, By-Pass roads.

  13. David Avatar
    David

    @Colonel Buggy

    A big part of the problem caused by our roundabouts is that traffic should give way before entering the roundabout if the exit is impeded.

  14. David Avatar
    David

    @enuff

    You are well aware the 3S deal came under scrutiny and perhaps this distracted from the debate.

  15. David Avatar
    David

    @Pacha

    In theory yes but human behaviour cannot always be logically explained.

  16. enuff Avatar
    enuff

    David – Yes the “deal”, but I am talking about the concept. Thompson could have addressed the “deal” and kept the concept.

  17. Wily Coyote Avatar
    Wily Coyote

    @Hal

    “Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.”

    In other words the pedestrian cannot step onto the zebra markings unless it is safe ti do so with respect to vehicular traffic.

  18. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    David

    Well explained

    At the same time this idiot from england pretends to be some fountain of knowledge

    And in all his years here we are yet to see a sustained critique of the british

    The underlying reasons peoples from all over the world find themselves in britain include imperial domination of said people, the stealing of nations resources etc. Surely, these crimes are orders of magnitude greater than simple insurance fraud.

    Instead of interrogating these, it is always a season to berate Indians, or Arabs, or Muslims as less british than he seems to feel he is. What a c-hole is this ugly man from england.

    There are sound theoretical frameworks buttressed by praxis to explain the behaviours of modern day slaves. And not only within industrial psychology but a range of other disciplines.

  19. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    WW&C
    Was not Bizzy part of the 3S syndicate?

  20. bajans Avatar
    bajans

    @Wily Coyote. I find that in Barbados drivers are very courteous when one is at a zebra crossing. As soon as you put your foot down, both sides of traffic come to a complete stop. They do it for me all the time. I go home in winter when I am quite pale, so maybe they mistake me for a tourisse.

    I live in Ottawa East, a suburb. At the intersections where there were lots of accidents, the city removed the stop lights and installed roundabouts. The speed is 30km entering and driving in the round about. They had a campaign teaching us how to use these traffic calmers. We got pamphlets in the mail, there were infomercials on tv and the police was there for 4 weeks to direct people on the proper use. I just love the roundabouts, not as much waiting as at stop lights. Over here the pedestrian crossing is very near the roundabout exits and they have the right of way as always.

  21. David Avatar
    David

    @Pacha

    Why don’t you leave Hal alone. We all share perspectives from where we are perched.

  22. Kammie Holder Avatar
    Kammie Holder

    The idiot minister who approve the oblong against the protestations of the masses should have his pension docked as restitution for the attending liability.

  23. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    Enuff also knows that there was no damn plans for the flyovers. …. no design details, no specific quotation…. it was just a loose arrangement, with open ended ‘agreements’ between The BLP government and 3S…. we all know how those end.

    @ Gabriel
    Bizzy said on VOB that he went to a certain minister’s office early one morning and talked him into the flyover deal. Apparently that was Bizzy’s idea of wuk fuh wuk.
    Bizzy already owned 2S (structural Systems) so naturally this one was called 3S. Like Cahill, the operation consisted of a shady office in some run-down building with nothing its name.

    It was just a scam in process…. Enuff has a way off supporting these scams that drain the treasury …with nothing to show in return.
    Fly-overs
    CSME
    Mia… 🙂

  24. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Gabriel….I would not doubt it, but the primary dude was from UK….it’s around that time the culmination of scams started against the NIS pension funds, every 2 bit crook was being introduced to it, like the people to whom it belongs, have no say…….it was targeted from back then, the mid 2000s….until present.

  25. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Did anyone noticed Pandor on the CBC News last week, when Michael Lashley was in Elizabeth Park beating his chest about the resurfacing of the road in that community? Pandor could be seen in the background, holding down feeling the surface of the “barber green” with his fingers.
    What was he testing , road hardness? Just goes to show that we, as jackasses are led by bigger jackasses.

  26. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    This use of NIS funds for highway flyovers,towers in Warrens and hotels should be forbidden by law.Just now pensions will be affected like a friend who says she is still awaiting her income tax refund for 2008 repeat 2008.These scams are enough to make people take the law into their hands as a form of restitution for all the underhand doings of these politicians. Perhaps the Quisling Boyce had a hand in that 3S arrangement and then ran to Thompson with it because he sat in the sanctum sanctorum when the idea was incubated with Bizzy and ‘the minister’.

  27. Tron Avatar
    Tron

    Gabriel,

    NIS is the last ATM in Barbados for the local establishment in the driver´s seat. Revenue – gone for debt service. I predict that not only the currency will crash very soon, but also NIS. Your recommendation for a ban to abuse the NIS is honourable, but there won´t be any money to spend in any case.

    After next election, the new government will act as some kind of insolvency liquidator. We also need some historians – to tell the next generation how it was before 2008 and why Barbados transformed into some Caribbean Mozambique during the Dark Age of Ignorance and Deceit.

  28. nineofnine Avatar
    nineofnine

    This is another call for politicians to listen to citizens who are concern about the mass dumping of toxic chemicals over this nation multiple times daily….

    Who has given permission to do this?
    Are you aware of its implications?
    Do you think that it will affect everyone else except you or your family and friends?.. think again.

    This has been ongoing for sometime and no one seems to care.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwHJs4GLQCRjanZXTUotV3oyd0E/view

  29. nineofnine Avatar
    nineofnine

    ET AL…

    This is another call for politicians to listen to citizens who are concern about the mass dumping of toxic chemicals over this nation multiple times daily….

    Who has given permission to do this?
    Are you aware of its implications?
    Do you think that it will affect everyone else except you or your family and friends?.. think again.

    This has been ongoing for sometime and no one seems to care.

    TODAY
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwHJs4GLQCRjanZXTUotV3oyd0E/view

  30. Tron Avatar
    Tron

    Is this some attempt to fish for personal data?

  31. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    Lets face it , most Barbadians drivers are taught to pass a driving test on a pre-determined route. Anything outside of this mandate is rocket science ,as far as they are concerned. Over the many years I have never heard a sensible announcement on radio or tv, instructing drivers how to correctly use roundabouts. Or for that matter our highways.
    But isn’t it strange that many of our people being transported in public service vehicles , are frequently injured due to senseless accidents, but we never see David Seale’s and COW William’s horses, traveling daily , in the back of horse boxes on their way to the Garrison, or a Polo Ground, suffering from injury due to the driver becoming involved in an accident.

  32. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    What does the household know about this?

    http://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/solar-photovoltaic-systems-installed-in-public-buildings/

  33. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    Wily,
    Road safety is not the same as priority.

    @ David,

    Thanks for defending me, but the man is like an itch. If you cannot challenge him with argument, then abuse him. Sadly for him, and his admirers, I can take it.

  34. onelove Avatar
    onelove

    Barbados Today page 16. BDLP….. This is how they roll !

  35. ndtewarie Avatar
    ndtewarie

    ndtewarie April 13, 2017 at 9:44 AM #
    POOR IS WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF HOPE

    Born and grew up as an orphan
    I knew I can and I know I can
    Then I got my long SC1 book list list
    But from my mom’s eyes I saw mist
    Then it hit home we were too poor
    To be chosen for the SC for sure
    I never had anything nice so what
    Back to school and swung the bat
    I had to do better, I was poor but bright
    Topped my class studying without light
    I passed all my exams even the PTA2 one
    I breathed a sigh of relief now its all done
    Got a break as a Pupil Teacher only part time
    But slipped back right into the religious slime
    They won’t hire me because I wasn’t a Christian3
    I was an outcast again ‘cause Hindi was my bastion
    I once thought of using the rope
    But I bid my time, never lost hope
    Then my Uncle from another county
    Send for me after hearing my story
    And I got a telegram one Friday afternoon
    To go to Anna Regina to Teach,.. too soon
    No clothes so I went to my Uncle with much hurt
    Went to Uncle Asraf and bought me $26.81 worth
    A big grip, raw cloth, shirts, a tie, comb and Brilliantine
    Left home going 200 miles away scary thoughts all mine
    Yes I got a break and gave thanks to the one Above
    I never lost hope for in my heart there was much love.

    NB. PTA= PUPIL TEACHERS APPOINTMENT; IN GUYANA, THE SCHOOLS WERE CONTROLLED BY THE CHURCH AND HINDUS WERE BARRED .

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  36. nineofnine Avatar
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  39. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    More road traffic accidents. Barbados is in chaos. These self-professed educated people cannot even control road safety. This is our biggest social problem and the prime minister and his Cabinet remain silent about it. The man is a buffoon.

  40. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ Hal
    This is just the tip of the iceberg.
    The PM and his collection of clowns are clueless…..but then again, so are you.

    Barbados is laced with narrow, winding roads and jam-packed with idiot drivers – whose main pastime is drinking and liming. They all now have access to high-powered, power-assisted, automatic vehicles – since Arthur and Sir Cave told them that success means having a paper from Cave Hill and two cars in the garage.

    Add to this a general lack of sidewalks, REALLY stupid, impatient, careless pedestrians walking /riding carelessly – dressed in dark clothing at night,…then add the thousands of children sky-larking on the roads morning and evening….
    Seriously – what do you expect?

    Previously, a divine presence seemed to have kept us in some level of check… you may want to call it ‘luck’….But ever since we have clearly embraced evil as a NATIONAL policy – as exemplified by such government sanctioned issues as:
    ..CLICO
    ..CAHILL
    ..Four Seasons
    ..The Speaker of the House mugging clients and going unpunished
    ..The minister’s $4M mother
    ..Inviting the regions low-life entertainers here during lent
    ..The unresolved $3.3M diversion of funds
    ..The multiple scams with baloney
    ..the Auditor General’s ongoing litany of unpunished thievery and mismanagement

    ….we would be FOOLS to expect that any divine interests would continue to stick around trying to protect us from our brass bowl selves.
    …and PARTICULARLY after Froon and the clowns took the decision to build an alter on the Garrison in honour of their newly adopted boss…. and featuring his pitchfork dominating the Garrison savannah…after being unable to complete ANYTHING else of value in 9 years.

    Hal…If these people don’t understand decimals, cannot multiply, cannot communicate simple issues …. how the hell would you expect them to unravel a complex matter such as this one….?

    Bushie has been trying to explain the SERIOUS DANGERS of allowing EVIL to take root….. but the jackasses have only been focused on easy access to dollars…..
    Steupsss…
    We ain’t seen nothing yet….!!!

  41. David Avatar
    David

    This is where the vision rises to the fore.

    Our narrow, winding roads do not fit with driving fast with these high powered vehicles.

    Our unplanned location of schools and work sites do not fit well with effcient traffic flows on a small island with a high number of vehicles.

    Our small island does not fit well with with the large transport Board buses deployed.

    So where is the vision Hal? Bushie?

    Feel free to add to the list..

    By the way, note the recently paved strech at Halls Road has been dug up by a utility already. The constant flow of traffic and the soon to come downpour will speed up a return to the status quo.

    #pleasehearourprayer

  42. Hal Austin Avatar
    Hal Austin

    David,
    One car per household, better public transport system and dedicated traffic controls. Also pass the cost of road traffic accidents on to insurance companies, the hospital and ambulance service should do the same, magistrates should suspend drivers’ licenses and make passing the test more difficult.

  43. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    The Chicken&Egg conundrum….

    Limit the imports of vehicles equals a reduction in tax revenue for BRA that would have to be replaced……with what??

    The merchant class with their imports provides a steady easy stream of revenue for succesive lazy govts who refuse to do the hard work of shifting the economy from imports to sustainability and exports.

  44. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Ya gotta star somewhere, when the ministers get off their uppity soap boxes and realize that there is only 10 US dollars left in reserves, they will have to haul ass.

    Hal…making the issuance of driver’s licenses more difficult. …does not stop careless driving or drunk driving, or reckles driving or uncouth drivers…enforcing the road traffic laws currently available, introducing breathalyzers and harsher penalties for reckless driving will…

    ……all the problems on the island stems from both government’s neglect and refusal to enforce existing rules and regulations, the minister’s propensity to punish anyone who tries to enforce existing laws and regulation……..and giving special treatment to those connected to them…who break those laws…..eg….Dumbville Inniss was highly annoyed that his wife was stopped for a traffic infraction by a police officer doing his job..that he called the police station to make a big stink and cause trouble for the officer just doing is job..

    …..just saying cause ah know with you everything has to be spelled out.

    You cannot keep doing the same stupid things for 50 years and expect different results.

  45. Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences Observing Blogger

    Ya gotta start somewhere….

  46. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    @David at 8:03 AM…The issues of our road management are well ventilated so nothing to add there but I was taken with your remark that “Our unplanned location of schools and work sites do not fit well with effcient traffic flows on a small island with a high number of vehicles.”

    I actually was generally ‘impressed’ with the location of schools built over the last many years (QC, a great example)…particularly when one considers that said locations – of primary schools – are often a function of the growth in the surrounding areas.

    But mine has really been a cursory examination.

    What are the dynamics that led to your remark?

    Work sites are a different matter completely as the inputs there go in reverse: government can create any suitable work site (depending on industry) and develop the infrastructure (transport etc) to support that site.

  47. David Avatar
    David

    @Dee Word

    Should the location of schools be linked to zoning if your observation is accurate?

  48. Colonel Buggy Avatar
    Colonel Buggy

    During the economic crisis in the early 1980’s , Tom Adams ,then Prime Minister, restricted the import of cars/vehicles above I think, BDS.$10,000. This was the gate way in making one man very rich .

  49. David Avatar
    David

    We saw the rise of the Shodas, CXGS and Suzukis.

    @Vincent

    Where is the logic and practicality of proposing a scheme to circumvent government?

  50. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    David

    Who has a scheme to circumvent govt?

    Govt…any which one….has to start restructuring our economy and infrastructure,this country cannot be allowed to free fall for much longer.

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