Hal Gollop, Chairman of the ERT
The long-awaited decision in the case of the National Conservation Commission (NCC) workers, who were unceremoniously dismissed on April 30, 2014, was handed down by the Employment Rights Tribunal (ERT) on July 15, 2016. That is a day that will go down in infamy in the local labour movement, even if some of the major players don’t realise it as yet.
The fact that this matter has taken over two years to complete does not speak well for the reputation of the ERT. The displaced workers experienced untold and unnecessary hardship while the matter languished as though no one cared if they suffered or not.
The Prime Minister was quoted in the press as saying that he regretted the amount of time it has taken but given the quality of the decision, he thought that it was well worth the wait – spoken by someone who has been able to pay his bills and had not missed any meals. I was able to obtain a copy of the decision, and after reading it twice, I am of the distinct impression that the PM and I read two different documents.
See ERT Decision –Employment Rights Tribunal 2014 064 Cutie Lynch and NCC Decision, with document
Around the middle of 2013 Government embarked on a major retrenchment exercise in order to bring its expenditure to a manageable level. By the time that exercise was over the following year, the Government’s workforce was reduced by approximately 6,000 persons. To this day, however, the Government is only prepared to admit that 3,000 persons were released from its service. Mind you, this was after solemnly promising, during their election campaign a few months earlier, that there would be no job losses in the Government service.
Thereafter, Cabinet approved a policy that set out the criteria for the release of staff. Most importantly, Government directed that the retrenchment exercise should generally be done on the basis of “last-in-first-out” (LIFO). Despite that clearly articulated policy, several statutory corporations, including NCC, carried out the exercise in defiance of the Cabinet’s instructions.
Workers at NCC, through their unions, challenged their dismissals as being unfair, before the ERT, on the grounds that the statutory corporation did not follow Cabinet’s policy of LIFO; and that they breached the Employment Rights Act by not consulting with the workers or their accredited representatives, prior to making the workers redundant.
To my mind, after considering the evidence, in its extremely prolix decision the ERT came to the only logical conclusion that the workers were unfairly dismissed. Remarkably, after setting out the reasons why the workers should not have been terminated, the ERT refused to order their reinstatement or re-engagement. Instead, the tribunal strayed from its mandate and invaded the realm of Government policy. It said at page 35 of the decision:
“It was clearly demonstrated from the evidence taken in this matter that the practicability of reinstatement or re-engagement of the complainants at this time is too remote given the reason for the implementation of the redundancy measures in the first place; it is our view that there would have to be an adjustment to the policy articulated by the Government through the Circular No. 1/2014, M.P. 6205 vol. 1T3 for re-instatement (sic) or re-engagement to be practicable”.
That is not the tribunal’s business and to my mind, it is an irrelevant consideration. The ERT went on to state that an order for reinstatement or re-engagement would be nugatory (useless). Useless for whom? Certainly not the workers! An order for reinstatement would mean that the employer would have to pay the wages of the workers from the date of their dismissal until the reinstatement took effect, in accordance with section 34 of the Employment Rights Act. In this case, it would mean that the NCC would have to pay the workers their wages for two years.
No wonder the Prime Minister is singing the ERT’s praises; if reinstatement were ordered government would have to look for double the amount that it is now required to pay under this flawed award.
@Casewell. You argue very well and make a good case. However, after much thought, I have to say, with deep regret, that I am not persuaded. You really ought to have been a lawyer. Excellent, my personal conclusions notwithstanding.
What does anyone expect from the government’s pimp Gollop, who shoild not be heading that tribunal. ..none of them understand the concept of conflict of interest…and all are lawyers, it’s horrible.
Let me rephrase, because the word shound not be don’t understand…it should be.
” What does anyone expect from the government’s pimp Gollop, who should not be heading that tribunal. ..all of them SIMPLY IGNORE the concept of conflict of interest…and all are lawyers, it’s horrible.
Don’t mind Amused Caswell…
It is VERY good that you are not a lawyer … else it seems that you would have also had to sell your soul to the damn devil …like they all apparently did….
Well argued, logical, sensible and practical.
The OBVIOUS legal remedy is for the NCC to reinstate the workers and THEN to do the process correctly …if they must….
Instead, these jokers are effectively condoning the illegal actions of Government/NCC, while penalising the VICTIMS of the illegal acts.
It seems that Hal need to bend over backwards to please his mentor… the joker Froon… and that Amused feels constrained to support Hal …whatever his idiotic stance….
It is becoming cleaer and clearer …that all lawyers are jobby….
@Bushie. You amuse me greatly and also sadden me. Clearly the concept of praise, without necessarily agreement, is a foreign concept to you. Oh well. It must be disconcerting and exhausting to always be so definitely and defiantly right and I will pass on that and, while you, in the afterlife, are hobnobbing with the angels as a just reward for your uncompromising certainty, I will be stuck having a lot of fun with my fellow “sufferers”. Hell, man, even the form of my “praise” (lawyer) has raised your ire. Must be your time of the month.
To him who is amused as opposed to lol,
You come to defend those whom you count as your friend with unmatched alacrity!
I wish you could be similar friend to the people of Barbados when the occasion arises.
I make that last comment, not lightly, but in full knowledge of the 2 questions that I now ask.
In your opinion, is it your belief that any policy was contravened when the LIFO was ignored in this matter?
If, and here I am going to assume that your answer will be yes, if such is the case, do you believe that there should be a review of such ERT determination?
Please do not be encumbered by your loyalty to single party, but be inspired to your responsibility to the larger whole
@ Bushie
After all, there are officers of the court, first and foremost.
Why else would they be able to do all that they do.
They are protected and forgiven quite easily, for crimes.
They are part of the same lodges, same game, to keep the structure in place
@ Amused
I forgot to ask you if your friend to whom you have pledged this fealty has shared with you that elections are going to be in January?
Whu after all, he is your friend!!!
One can cite numerous occasions on which this Administration has proved to be unworthy of the people’s trust. Theirs is a cabinet that has shown time and again that collective accountability amongst itself does not exist. It is for those reasons that I have repeatedly called for a sit down between the heads of all Trade Unions in Barbados, so as to formulate a workable strategy where this trial and error bunch is concerned. Here it is the workers are right…….yet at the end of the day they would have lost. See what it will take to get that money. BWA workers still waiting. Perhaps the key is finding out how Trans Tech operates.
No Hamilton, the better example is The Grotto and the haste with which the government paid a dividend from the Housing Credit Fund that is managed by the Central Bank of Barbados.
Note the apartments remain unoccupied.
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@ David…..point taken. Where boss M is concerned alacrity really should spell a lackey t. Either way the public purse is quickly opened.
Can anyone in their right mind think that those workers will get their money or even be re-hired? We are living in what is call a real world where the crooked rule. Also when Trans Tech is mentioned and Lashley is not then there is a serious problem with the reasoning there.
What has become of the buddies Lashley and Denis Lowe who incidentally is using the Ministry of Transport trucks and Bobcats to remove garbage so that those workers will be paid (extra?) and the SSA workers getting reduce pay while the SSA trucks in not getting repaired?
$27 million is a lot of money to assist with buying IPads and other bribed for the electorate for the elections in January 2017
@ ABajanhowe
They will get their money .
Elections are around the corner so they are going to get their money
The hook in this one is as follows
The DLP has gotten two years of work for one year of pay right?
Like an enhanced slavery plan!
Administered by niggers!!!
Now what will happen next is the bait.
The lawyers will be encouraged to make an appeal for the LIFO clause and it will be made to appear like if they will be successful
“The Face of a Caring Government” one that is changing and growing to love the people then Whaplax Elections, and the excitement and everybody happy, “we getting back we jobs” we voting DLP den whaplax de dog dead, renege again like the last two times.
NOT ONE EFFING SEAT!!!
This tribunal needs to pack up and get out of Dodge. So far all their publicised decisions have been erroneous. The others favoured the workers but this one is horrible. In the decision, the tribunal said reinstatement would be nugatory. If reinstatement were ordered the workers would have been entitled to another 54 weeks’ pay. I don’t know who wouldn’t want to receive another “nugatory” years’ pay.
@ Mr Franklyn
I did not go to school long.
The one thing I recall is “2 into 2 is 1”
52 weeks and 54 weeks is equal to 2 years and two months!
Which puts the dismissed workers back into the same position to where they should be post this wrongful? dismissal and SUCH IS NOT THE INTENT OF THIS CARING DLP GOVERNMENT.
Is there a good reason to believe that Amused is not Hal Gollop?
Old Baje @10.02am
You are on the money.
Amused or not, Caswell is obviously right here. We all knew that there could not have been any other decision made other than that the workers had been wronged. The Froon had to have known this also as it was clear to any layman. I believe that this long drawn out process was deliberately designed to make the reinstatement of workers seem impractical and also because the limit on the award would result in gains to the government. The workers have not been fully compensated financially. They should have been reinstated. This decision has entered into the realm of the political rather than what is just under the law. The political intent has been fulfilled as the new workers remain and the government has saved money. That is if the gains haven’t been offset by payments to the tribunal members.
Amused,
One must be fair even if it doesn’t suit one if one wants to be a person of integrity.
I am NOT amused.
It is now up to all the trade unions to bring this government to heel by use of the ultimate weapon and at the same time don’t drive a stroke until Neblett and Lowe are fired and the employees terminated involuntarily rehired and LIFO followed as intended.
It was interesting to listen to Hal Gollop waxing eloquently about the disadvantage of LIFO. This is the crux of the issue to define what is fair and moral.
David,
I have been the victim of last in first out from a position for which all agreed I was ideally suited. In a Utopian society performance appraisals would determine who goes and who stays in a particular position. But performance appraisal systems can also be manipulated and probably would be in a society such as ours. But what else is there?
There is no doubt that many workers at the NCC had little respect for their jobs. Some of them may even have got what they deserved but the process was agreed upon and any issues should have been sorted out before action was taken. We need to go forward with performance appraisal systems as we know LIFO can be counterproductive but is the only fair way to go in the absence of such a system.
@Piece. There are clear exceptions that can be brought into play in the LIFO and these are fully explored in the judgement and I think they are sensibly applied, supported and reasoned and that is just my UNBIASED view. Now, on appeal the judge may choose to see it differently. Who knows? You clearly do and a judge may agree with you and maybe not. We will just have to wait and see. I did actually take the time to read through all the precedents cited, given as this is an important case. There were certain lines I would have liked to have seen further explored as obiter, but they were not central or even relevant to the case.
As far as Hal is concerned, I really don’t know him all that well, but my experiences with him have taught me to trust his integrity and he is a first class attorney. I would say that he is an acquaintance, rather than a friend. And you can be sure that I will be the first to tell him IF I think he is wrong.
Now it is Sunday and I got family obligations. Later.
@Donna
Exactly, it is what was agreed. How do we build trust and exhibit the quality of integrity if those entrusted with leadership are so quick to jump ship. Such action run counter to what is good leadershipleadership. So where does it leaves us?
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CASWELL RIGHT ON THE BUTTON HERE, THIS GOV’MENT SAID LAST IN FIRST OUT, WHO CAME ON FROM 2007 WOULD BE GOING HOME, THEN SAYING LAST IN FIRST OUT IS NOT AN OPTION (FORK TONGUE CRIS STINKLER SPEAKING) THUS GIVING DE GOVMENT AGENCIES THE LEAWAY TO UNFAIR PEOPLE. SO MANY PEOPLE GOT UNFAIR AN THEY KNOW IT, THATS WHY THE TRIBRUNAL IS STALLING, STALLING, JUST BUYING TIME, THAT IS GALLOP JOB, HE AN FRUNDLE SAME/SAME…BAD TO DE BONE THAT WHY THEY MADE GOVMENT PAY OUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, CAUSE 95% OF THE EXPERIENCE WORKERS GO HOME
@DONNA, DONNA IF THE SNAKE SKIN, SNAKE MOUTH, FORK TONGUE GOV’MENT HAD RESPECT FOR THEY JOBS THEY WOULD HAVE NOT CARRIED OUT THIS AUTROSITY ON THE PEOPLE, BUT I’M NOT SURPRISE ANY WAY I REMEMBERED 1991 WID ANOTHERSNAKE MOUTH MAN CALLED SANDI AKA LIKE IT OR LUMP IT, I AINT GINE LOSE NO SLEEP, SNAKE MOUTH FUNDAL AKA THE CRIES OF THE PEOPLE CAN’T CONSUME DE GOV’MENT….SO THERE U GO. U THINK ITS EASY WHEN PEOPLE IN AH JOB, 10 15 20 25 28 YEARS A MADE REDUNDANT? AN OTHERS DOING 1 2 4 5 YEARS STILL WORKING?PEOPLE GONE HOME SOME 47, 48, 49, 52 55 AT THOSE AGES ITS LIKE GETTING AH JOB FROM WHERE? I WAS IN AH JOB 16 UNBROKEN YEARS APPOINTED 11 YEARS AT THE TIME, WAS MADE REDUNDANT AN PEOPLE THAT NOW COME STILL WORKING, HOW THAT COULD BE FAIR, NEXT THING YES U GET MONEY BUT THE AGE GAP LIKE ME FROM 49 WHEN I GOT LAID OFF TO 6O OR 67 IS AH LONG TIME BEFORE PENSION, THAT IS IF ANY WOULD BE IN NIS BY THEN……………..SO ITS OK TO TALK BUT ONE NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE
The Public Service Act paved the way for “hiring or reverting who ya want”
The Employment Rights Act paves the way for “dismissing who ya don’t want”
The circle is complete.
The workers are screwed.
Just observing.
All you who think like Amused should put yourself in the position of the aggrieved.Its called empathy and would help the Amused to stop talking about himself while looking Into his mirror.All things being equal LIFO is the fairest method of determining upon whom the proverbial axe will fall.It is a nonsensical argument to keep harping on extraneous extrapolations of the merits and demerits of LIFO.Correct this evil wicked wrong now.Amused the local Trump,ego tripper and all.
Very well put Caswell. The basis for the decision does not make sense. The Government has grounds for appeal but of course they wouldn’t so contemplate since they have been let off the hook.
@ Amused
I must say that I am surprised at your fealty to both Hal Gollop, and previously, to one Smith.
I am hoping that, given my remembrance that one does not have to employ rather supplant that Remembrance with the les endorsing saying “a man is known by the friends that he keeps.”
This decision, like the dichotomy called life, could fall on either side of the coin, certainly this outcome of this matter shows that it did so fall but, and because of the import of the conjunction i repeat it and capitalize, BUT one is concerned about what can only be construed by your lack of empathy for the afflicted.
You were at the time of writing this going to effect duties with your family and, since it was around that noon time hour one could assume that lunch was on your table for you and your kids.
You know what it is to be at one’s table on a Sunday with a spread fit for a King while these NCC employees struggled to make ends meet for 2 years.
De ole man knows such hunger and can not only empathize one can taste the inside of one’s mouth and detect the different smell of the bile in one’s empty guts.
Should a Castille come again, to Bime, as it seems to be, I wonder if the perpetrators of these egregious acts against fellow citizens will beg for mercy and consideration, as these people have begged for 2 years?
But I too pray that past kind spirits whisper some kind words of appeasement to their souls that will give them kindly relief and reprieve from their sufferings.
What say you kind sir?
If truth be told…….
……..and although the decision was the only right one that could have been rendered in light of the facts of workers wrongly dimissed, I told myself that I would not be surprised if Hal Gollop had ruled that the NCC had no choice in what they had to do.
True, I half expected that bearing in mind what he said said earlier that the goernment was in no position to re-hire the workers.
It is amazing how little regard this government has for the poor black man but would wage a stinking PR war against the BLP as evidenced in the House on Tuesday and on Brasstack on Friday by Donville Inniss for two senior public workers.
The dems are so nasty that having been exposed as hypocrites, they want no one to link their stance with fighting for two top public servants and the uncaring dismissals of those who were reaching 60 years at BIDC. They did not care, Donville told them, go to court……..I have a friend who was one of those sent home who still has a mortgage and two children away at university. But did Donville care about her?
Donville’s logic on Brasstacks was so hollow……..he kept saying the matter is before the court……………but we are not foolish, they blamed the BIDC matter on the Statutory rules and regulations………so why did the BIDC under instructions from the same Donville take the court route and why did Donville not bring the matter in the form of a bill to amend the Statutory rules and regulations like they tried to do on Tuesday?
This government is so arrogant, they defy logic. To think that they knew that they do not have a two thirds majority and the Opposition told them in writing that they could not support the bill and they still went ahead and brought it expecting to force the Opposition…………..they have now seen what is means to continually force their hand…………..defeat…….and the big one coming soon!
But wait, why did this government not try to regularise this matter when they had a two thirds majority? JA’s.
Caswell dont need to be now lawyer and soil his name with the rest of the crooks in Bim, Who needs to Join the BAR to cover up all of they dirty doings?,
More tricks with fraud than rule of law, We need to remove all lawyers and take the Queen with you, Do not the Bible have a word for lawyers? All the worse lawyers in the World are nesting in Bim , but the Law is coming for them , All at once AS THE BAJANS turn their backs on them ,
“As far as Hal is concerned, I really don’t know him all that well, but my experiences with him have taught me to trust his integrity and he is a first class attorney. I would say that he is an acquaintance, rather than a friend. And you can be sure that I will be the first to tell him IF I think he is wrong.”
I have heard Mr Gollop once say that he can take a case and in one breath argue for and in another against. In my view the judgment in this case was neither wrong or right. It was double-edged.
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/07/24/pm-stuart-rages-at-opposition/
Which part of the DPP is corrupt this idiot Fruendel does not understand and he should not be on the taxpayers payroll for another 10 years…does Fruendel need a video…and then what will he do with it, spineless joke that he is.
That is the problem with many lawyers practicing in Barbados, they are all jerks, they want to act the part as defence and plaintiff’s attorney simultaneously, ya have to put down one for the other, but they are unable to separate the roles…ya cant play both, that is why there is the term…plaintiff’s attorney….and the term defense attorney, no wonder Gollop ignores…conflict of interest.
One client was saying the attorney treated her like she was the defendant, ya only play that role when ya brain storming about the case in anticipation of what the other side would say or think.
Again I wonder, what are these lawyer learning at university. ..too many of them are stupid as hell.
@ balance
I have heard Mr Gollop once say that he can take a case and in one breath argue for and in another against.
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Sounds like the kinda fella who could be a BU insider …while at the same time being one of Froon’s close advisors …and also Mia’s secret card….
That takes talent….
@ Bush Tea
You just described 4 of the sitting Representatives in the BLP and 3 of the hopefuls we are in a world of hurt with this incestuous mix.
@ Well Well
Be EXTREMELY Careful with Tariq
We are wondering how things “are getting this wa” but th truth is that we have already ” gotten that way, compliments of all these contributory commissions and omissions that we are part and parcel off every day.
It is like an unkempt man who also does not bathe, and has hot bathed for a few years, wondering why his kids have so little regard for a bath , or water
Mr. Gollop is a professional lawyer. Do you know of any professional who refuses to provide services to those who require it. Teachers , motor mechanics,medical doctors etc etc do not ask who is your friend, what is your political party, what is the colour of your skin before they provide a service. Why are you holding Mr .Gollop to a higher standard?
Lol….Piece, thanks, I know what Tariq is capable of, he apparently drank from the same coolaid after leaving the UK, since he joined the same cabal.
Bernard…there are people in the world who actually practice ETHICS, they were taught in law school, medical school, etc…in any discipline….but there are many people who have no ethics…
in the real world people are imprisoned for conflict of interest practices that destroy lives…since from the government and lawyers back down are so fly by night, it’s no surprise that none have ethics or integrity…2 very alien words for those who call themselves leaders on the island.
Well Well & Consequences July 25, 2016 at 10:53 AM #
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/afghan-teen-accomplice-munich-mall-shooting-arrested-article-1.2725068
Here is the best reason you should never meet with people you speak to online, most never use their own email address, I use 6 email accounts…none are mine.
And with the likes of Harris, Bizzy, Maloney and the politicians tearing their hair out because all their dirty secrets have been spread worldwide, ya will meet them at your own risk.
The blogmaster may want to consider putting up a notice to protect himself and his site, ya dont have to give info about routine chat, but a murder investigation is a whole nother animal..
No one should meet with anyone they speak to online.
These are all symptoms of inept workmen trying to patch up a crumbling old colonial building. Errors compound when nails, plaster, mortar, paint doesn’t work because the foundation is poor.
Gov’t’s job is to CREATE EMPLOYMENT by stimulating the economy, not TO BE THE EMPLOYER OF LAST RESORT.
LIFO is asinine, everyone knows it. It can only be enforced in the vacuum of market forces which is the snivel service.
Hal Gollop is loyal enough to do as he’s told and not smart enough to see the pitfalls such instructions hold for him, gov’t and the population.
There will be no economic recovery under Fumble’s Fools, regardless of how many more lawyers they recruit to give the impression of credibility.
“LIFO is asinine.Everyone knows it.”
Frustrated is a JA,the result of the inbreeding for which the island is known.
“LIFO is asinine.Everyone knows it.”
Frustrated is a JA,the result of the inbreeding for which the island is known.
And your stupidity and inability to debate on points of fact are abundantly clear to all.
Employment should always be based on merit, not ridiculous laws or policies designed to keep the socialist state supported at all costs.
Why should people who don’t deserve a job be employed above people who do just because they got there first?
Go join the back of your communist queue and leave the economic debate to people who can count.
Why the hell Fumble Stuart dont stay asleep?
The BLP is spineless for not letting them run rough shod over them. Boo Hoo!
They deliberately brought this bill knowing that the BLP told them, they would not support it.
The DLP believe the bs and propaganda they shovel daily about disunity in the BLP. I do believe that they were counting that some of the BLP MP’s would have broken ranks and voted for the measure. Then they would have done a victory lap and taunted the Leader.
Well, Fumble, you gambled and you lost. That is politics!
To take the shame out of his face, days later he is calling the BLP spineless……………get lost you uninspiring, gutless, deceitful coward!
You and your party are the ones who are spineless…………you referred the matter of NCC who clearly disadvantaged its workers to a Tribunal which was non existent at the time………….and it took two years for the workers to be told……..
“the NCC was wrong to dismiss you but never mind that you were without a pay cheque for two years, you can only get one year’s money. But in the meanwhile, we will fight the BLP to get two top public servants’ retirement age up to 67……. while you all cannot even get to retirement age to get a pension.”
Fumble, you are not only spineless, you are heartless!
Hee Hee Prodigal now your losing your mind wish there was tape by which u could listen to your rants and raves .He. Hee prodigal the blp show the nation that there a bunch of wimps and there word cannot be trusted !y yesterday!todayor tommorrow.
Frustrated @2.54pm
The only sentence making sense in your diatribe is “employment should (always?)be based on merit…….”
In Barbados employment is based on family ties,blood ties,school ties,church ties,immoral ties,Masonic ties,I-scratch-your-back-you-scratch-mine-ties,political ties,albino centric ties with stupid black sell-out ties,fatted calf ties.Merit?
The problem with people like you Frustrated is that the Science of Management is lost upon the inbred.You wouldn’t therefore understand that approach.
The truth hurts, dont it? ac………….
This is the beginning of the end………just be patient, your chickens are coming home to roost. You dems are so arrogant that you really thought that you could bring the bill and that the BLP MP’s would break ranks and the you of all people would come on BU and lambast the Leader. Karma is a bitch best served cold!
This defeat is causing you dems major heartburn……….Donville ranted and raved on Brasstacks’ Friday programme and now today Kellman broke curfew and came out to defend the indefensible.
I ranting and raving…….no, no, no, ac………..I am beginning to enjoy the unravelling of the spineless, heartless DLP!
Lol…..
Sir Bree St John gone to his grave,evermore describing any supporter of the Democratic Labour Party as Stinking Dems.How apt.
You are so right Gabriel! He was my MP, a man of honour!
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/83635/stuart-tech
What is wtong with this fool. Tech creates quality jobs, resulting in a better quality of life, techies do not have the time to be political yardfowls and pimps, they are not interested in corrupt politicians whose only goal is to stagnate the population and retard creative thinking…techies are nit on the streets selling drugs and shooting people…or pimping for politicians around election time.
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/83645/fine
This is what Fruendel and the parliamentarians should be seeing to with haste, the antiquated 18th century laws and legislation that are still on the statute books victimizing and causing the death of children…..
the 18th century legislation with laws still in the statute books two centuries later victimizing the majority black population. ..of what use is Fruendel and those ministers, what are they good for….
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/07/26/social-demons/
Now Fruendel is waxing philosophical about the Social Demons in the society, maybe he coukd exorcize those sicial demons in his cabinet by firing them, exorcize the social demon that is the DPP…, that woukd be a oublic service that he is already being paud a salary……and while Fruendel is ridding the society ofvthe social demons, he can also…explain this….
“He also took a shot at the Prime Minister’s stewardship since assuming office in October 2010, saying: “He has almost brought the National Insurance Scheme to its knees; he has completely destroyed employment and the economy of this country because there is absolutely no confidence in him.”
Dies Fruendel know that intelligent people are totally fed up with him and his weak state.
Well Well & Consequences July 26, 2016 at 5:54 AM #
http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/07/26/social-demons/
He has accurately identified the symptoms of the problem, when he’s brushing his teeth this morning he will clearly see the problem.
And the rest of us will continue to follow the civil services’ example and do nothing until Fumble and his Fools are gone.
Fumble and his Fools have not only destroyed local and foreign business in Barbados, they have also destroyed the way we do business. Going forward there will be no gov’t that could depend on corporate or small business tax revenue. Not a food van, landscaper, one-truck operator, hairdresser, tradesman will ever pay taxes in this country again and any accountant reporting income for large business will likely lose his job.
50-year Independence legacy indeed.
Frustrated businessman
Fumble teeth are place on a night stand, no need to look in a glass to brush them and see his very ugly demon face
Where is Piece with those Social Demon posters…lol
When common sense dictates that fools like Stuart are a waste of time and people become cynical,the excuse by Sir Roy,a card bearing member of the DLP,in today’s Nation newspaper claiming that he didn’t know of the political dimensions in the NCC dispute is threatening the society with a brand of lunacy, going beyond cronyism and cynicism bordering on contempt.
To be sure,this is not the response one would hear from Caswell or Comissiong.
@ Well Well
De grandson is working on the demons thing, lololol
I dun tell wunna dat Fumbles AND RICHARD UNCLE LOOKUP CEILING does see hovering demons and spirits!!!
I guess that now wunna goin believe me
This General Election in January going be so much fun.”
Looks Kelly dun start
“ST. LUCY HOUSE SPOTS – HOUSE SPOTS ARE soon going to be available for the people of St Lucy. Minister of Housing, Lands and Rural Development and the parliamentary representative for the constituency Denis Kellman said on Wednesday the agency was trying its best to accommodate those in need of property. He identified Cluffs and Colleton as the two areas where lots are to be made available and said that the chief land surveyor visited the parish last month. However, the lots would not be selling at the $5 a square once touted by the state. Kellman was speaking during the Broken Trident welcoming ceremony at the St Clement’s Centre, St Clement’s Anglican Church.”
Wunna doan listen to de ole man doah
You kin hide and buy land but yuh cyan hide and wuk um
General Elections are in January 2017
Piece
Can you ask the grandson if it’s going to be a chicken-wings-funded election?and if this is what James Paul hinting at when he say chicken wings still coming in through the bhana sorry through the back door?
Gabriel July 26, 2016 at 9:17 AM #
When common sense dictates that fools like Stuart are a waste of time and people become cynical,the excuse by Sir Roy,a card bearing member of the DLP,in today’s Nation newspaper claiming that he didn’t know of the political dimensions in the NCC dispute is threatening the society with a brand of lunacy, going beyond cronyism and cynicism bordering on contempt.
To be sure,this is not the response one would hear from Caswell or Comissiong.
Or maybe Akani? The recent assault on his leadership was by DLP yardfowls within the NUPW whose only job has ever been to prop up bad DLP governments.
I am back today on this PM calling the BLP spineless………he is the only PM who we can truly call spineless and ineffective. All the other PMs Barbados was privileged to have were leaders, even Sandi………he certainly does not exhibit any leadership skills.
Eleven members of his party, most of them members of his cabinet were planning a palace coup behind his back and he did nothing.
His minister of finance admitted that he was the ring leader, the man he allowed to act as PM was another coup leader………..and all he could say was that if it were true, heads would roll. The coward did nothing, all of them are still members of his cabinet to this day……….
His problem was that he loves so much being PM that he could not touch one of them other wise his sweet life as PM would over. He was so afraid to act against any of them that he begged OSA not to join with them to bring him down.
And how did he repay OSA, who saved his sorry ass?……….By gross betrayal.
He waited until the election of 2013, copied and pasted OSA’s note to him in which he, OSA agreed not to join with the plotters to bring him down and he used the part of the note where , according to OSA, he jokingly asked him while he is at it to take MAM off his hands. What a man!
And he has the gall to call the BLP spineless because they refused to be bullied by him……….
Spineless coward………
At WW&C the Grandson is at work at the *** Bank so he apologized for the lateness of this necromantic book called “Demons & Spirits”
Copies are available for a short time only since in 2017, January to be precise all of the copies WILL BE GONE!!
PERMANENTLY.
This is truly a “limited edition”, limited to the next 6 months.
http://imgur.com/a/sUHR6
By the way WW&C if you take ook in the bottom left cover you will see that there is even a ghost of the Fatted Calf.
Things is really bad if the Fatted Calf is now a wraith….
Lol..Piece..ya rocking..lol
Spineless Cowards Ouch ! that really hurt but correctly drive a hot fork through the hearts of demonic forces that have invaded the blp
signed
Legion
@AC
The Barbadian people kick the great EWB in his ass in 1976, what you think going to happen to Fumble, an ugly man, in every from and fashion, who is fascinated with breastfeeding and sore nipples,you still have time to try your wings and fly out the fowl yard.
“He identified Cluffs and Colleton as the two areas where lots are to be made available and said that the chief land surveyor visited the parish last month. However, the lots would not be selling at the $5 a square once touted by the state. Kellman was speaking during the Broken Trident welcoming ceremony at the St Clement’s Centre, St Clement’s Anglican ”
What about Pickering where Prime Minister Thompson turned the sod with Mr Kellman smiling from ear to ear at the great developmental prospects envisaged for St Lucy when this project came on stream. Notice Mr Kellman threatening action -he stopped short of legal action and I guess he knows why- against persons using Government land/property without permission. I hope he includes himself in the condemnation as he continues to use without permission the Government facility in Moontown for his own entrepreneurial purposes according to Mr Kerrie Symnonds and others.
“Watchman July 26, 2016 at 9:38 PM #
@AC
The Barbadian people kick the great EWB in his ass in 1976, what you think going to happen to Fumble, an ugly man, in every from and fashion, who is fascinated with breastfeeding and sore nipples,you still have time to try your wings and fly out the fowl yard.”
Not nice. Mr Stuart is quite an affable gentleman politics aside.
@Balance
who Mr. Stuart are you talking about, that is an affable man, you have to be clear with the name, please spell it out ,
@Balance
Just in case you think I mean the man face that can be seen, then you don’t really know what ugly means
listen up after given the green light by attorney of lawlessness to fight for reinstatement of jobs the NCC workers say no dice “give me my money”
balance July 26, 2016 at 9:59 PM #
“He identified Cluffs and Colleton as the two areas where lots are to be made available and said that the chief land surveyor visited the parish last month. However, the lots would not be selling at the $5 a square once touted by the state. Kellman was speaking during the Broken Trident welcoming ceremony at the St Clement’s Centre, St Clement’s Anglican ”
What about Pickering where Prime Minister Thompson turned the sod with Mr Kellman smiling from ear to ear at the great developmental prospects envisaged for St Lucy when this project came on stream. Notice Mr Kellman threatening action -he stopped short of legal action and I guess he knows why- against persons using Government land/property without permission. I hope he includes himself in the condemnation as he continues to use without permission the Government facility in Moontown for his own entrepreneurial purposes according to Mr Kerrie Symnonds and others.
Maybe the Fools have finally realised that the main input driving up the cost of land in Barbados is the BDS Gov’t itself due to the false scarcity and multi-year carrying costs created by the inept and corrupt chief town planner and minister of planning.
Anyone remember when the Fools won the election in 2008 and went driving all over people’s property around the country picking out land to acquire for the poor people of BDS? Then spent the peoples’ money acquiring land (even though Gov’t is the largest land-owner in Bim), developing said land and building houses only to find out they were more expensive than the houses the free market was already providing? And still lying idle because, once again, the gov’t and civil service had no clue what they were doing!
Naive is a word that should be reserved for young people, grown middle-aged people have to make a special effort to be ignorant. Fumble and his Fools are just plain stupid.
There will be no economic recovery under Fumble’s stupid Fools.
It would be an interesting exercise to list all the projects promised by government since 2008 and filter those completed.
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Looks like the NCC workers will be pushing back against the ERT decision. Not a good side heading into an election. Most Barbadians appear to be on the side of the workers. They have been shafted in law.
@AC
your brain capacity should think about where these votes will go, 300 workers, each have 5 dependence voting age +15 other family members,= 6000 votes the DLP will lose plus the rest of Barbadians that are not a yardfowl like you
To many lawyers are head of this and that , They will never disagree with self, lawyers are to stay outside off all things and called in to help when needed,
If you look at Barbados lawyers and Ministers in many Union,Companies in Bim and some times in more than one Business or Company selling out the workers and people in need,
They can be a lawyer for the business or company but not the head , leader nor ruler , Its a Selfish shell game on the people,
@ Watchman
They don’t really care which side the votes go.
They KNOW THEIR END IS NEAR and like Satan, they run about trying to be busy.
They did their years to qualify for their respective pensions and while it will take Barbados ten years or 15 years to recover from their public manipulation and masturbation with the public coffers, they do not care.
Maybe all we can hope for is like the ole people used to say “dem going dead bad”
The Democratic Labour Party is the single worst government Barbados has ever had, bar none
Not one effing seat!!!!
McDowell says the union has been advised that the reinstatement is an option to take to the law courts however the length of time to get a hearing,placed at 3 years,( justice delayed is justice denied)when added to the existing 2 years it took for this JA government to give a “prioritized”decision,it might be foolhardy to pursue the route of the courts,notoriously now deficient and no better than what passes for courts in Zimbabwe.How the mighty have fallen,even the Roman Catholic bishop is passing judgement and sentence on the Freundel fools for a cabinet.
Btw,notice how Bishop John Walter Dunlop Holder is saying to the likes of Durant the fraud,that the Anglican Church is not for sale to this or any government and further,it is not about grabbing headlines like Durant and all the other frauds walking bout Barbados fooling only ignorant people.All wunna going straight to that place known as hell.
Dont worry Piece…they cant pay a dime to anyone when the strokes, heart attacks, diabetes, high blood pressure, brain tumors, aneurysms etc, rage out of control, they will die and leave every penny stole from the taxpayers, bribes they took from the minorities and scams they have in the works…no escape for “social demons”.
David July 27, 2016 at 6:47 AM #
It would be an interesting exercise to list all the projects promised by government since 2008 and filter those completed.
The purpose of gov’t is to create the legal, human, institutional and physical environment necessary to stimulate an economy through business activity, financed by taxes raised from said activity which also pay for social services. Contrary to what some Bajans might postulate, social services DO NOT come first, business activity to pay for social services must come first.
But not in Bim. We passed that obviosity like a full bus. Except the reason the busses are over-crowded is that, once again, gov’t proved that the Transport Board doesn’t run as efficiently as private busses which don’t get the benefit of tax-free inputs.
So gov’t sets itself up in open markets to compete against tax payers who it relies on for tax income needed to pay for social services, but then unfairly competes against said tax-payers due to its own tax-breaks and the lack of requirement to actually operate at a profit. Technically, every statutory corporation in Bim is insolvent except BNOC and that is being sold to Kyfin to pay back the money the other useless statutory corporations owe him because they are insolvent.
Eddy Murphy or Monty Python couldn’t make this shit up.
So the NCC, which shouldn’t exist at all to begin with, ironically, will now be instrumental in bringing down the idiots that shouldn’t have supported it at all. All because the gov’t of Barbados is the employer of last resort and pays employees just enough to exist in an environment in which they can hardly advance, better themselves or otherwise contribute to our nation in any tangible way.
Welcome to the Barbados zoo. Please don’t pet the animals!
There will be no economic recovery under Fumble’s useless zoo-keepers.
@ Piece
Most of the DLP past MP were brain dead before they die, and the present MPs are in a state of extreme confusion, poor Walter PPK, his senses of wanting to make a difference in the DLP got wacked
@ Well Well
Dont worry Piece…they cant pay a dime to anyone when the strokes, heart attacks, diabetes, high blood pressure, brain tumors, aneurysms etc, rage out of control,….
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Not exactly true WW&C…. They will spend it ….BUT in vain…
One would have thought that after living through the karma meted out to their former leader just 7 years ago, these morons would have been taught a valuable lesson about ill-gotten gains…
But apparently they did not!!!
Typical.
A fool usually has to feel it personally …to know it….
Karma Bushman….Karma, they never see her until she is right there.
http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/83679/19-royal-westmoreland.
All their lies are immediately revealed…here is Brexit NOT affecting the island, as Sealy said.
Gabriel July 27, 2016 at 7:50 AM #
Allwunna going straight to that place known as hell.
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Man wake up! We there already.
Three years to fight an appeal by the sacked NCC workers for reinstatement, but ever so often we can see less significant cases being fast tracked through the court system.
The Dipper ,as always was right. “If you want justice keep away from the law courts.”
@ac. The NCC workers is opting for their money , are choosing the better of two evils. They have been shafted by this Government. They,and others in the same boat , will get their own back in s 2018.
Colonel
Read the tea leaves…..Sam Lords photo op turning the sod.Hyatt photo op,signing the paper work,out of court settlement a la Maloney and the Rock Hard fiasco,Solar plant start up after NCC meeting(read Denis Lowe and Cahill like caper)employing 300..Four Seasons re start after paper work signing …….we can listen for more crap and Worrell placing unemployment at 4% next.
Donville Inniss is pushing for the newly ,or yet to be, established Caribbean Court for Arbitration and Mediation (CCAM) to be home ported in Barbados.
We are really suckers for punishment. We cannot get Caricom to work. We cannot sell the CCJ to the majority of Caricom member countries. We cannot get member countries who are benefiting from LIAT to buy into it. We have a massive back log of cases in our own court system, with the on-demand population of Dodds outnumbering the convicted population. It took an haphazardly appointed Kangaroo court , two years to reach a decision on the NCC unfair dismissal case. And now we want to throw another elephant into the mix.
Trinidad set up an Industrial Court to cater to the high repeat infringements in employee/ employer relations.Antigua set up a similar Court some years ago.I would think any experience in dealing in matters of Arbitration might more appropriately be domiciled in either TnT or in AnB.Just saying because Barbados is not benefitting from the useless UWI graduates to be found in the Parliament of Barbados.The colonial government taught us something that the homegrown breed don’t understand upwards of practicing in the 50 years of ‘dependence’.
The fact that the President and General Secretary of the NUPW are not reading from the same script should be of concern to workers. Further, that workers at the NUPW Office have been affected by having their wages delayed is embarrassing.why in this day an age workers are being paid by cheque anyway.
David
The President is showing the staff that he has the power.
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@Caswell
What would be the motive to alienate NUPW staff?
David
It is just a fool showing that he has the power. He does not need them now. If there is another attempt to remove him, he is assured that MAM would summon the party faithful to defend him.
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@ Caswell
There is something that you mentioned in your 3:39 post that is interesting for the specific Union(s) and is frightening
Recently during the City of Bridgetown Credit Union elections, a place where the BLP operatives now abound in the body of one Holder, a few bus loads of members were off loaded on the AGM, with predictable results.
What you are alluding to, very strongly, is that the so called institutions that are there to represent workers concerns, have been so infiltrated by political parties that they are really just extensions of the party in power
Would you care to comment on if this worrisome configuration is of concern to you and whether you see that this will change anytime soon?
And more importantly if something can be done about it
@PUDRYR
James Paul is a part of the CoB outfit as well.
Piece
The major trade unions have long been taken over by political parties. The NUPW was an organisation of mostly DEMS and now Akanni, Asokore and Fabian are charting a course to Roebuck Street. That fight is ongoing. BWU became DLP country from the time Grantley Adams refused to put Frank Walcott in his cabinet. It is alleged that Toni is only one BEE in the midst of DEMS so she can’t change the course of BWU just yet.
After the credit unions started to become influential the politicians began to take interest. You are right about that particular COB election. As soon as the elections were approaching the numbers in the hall started to grow. Apparently a bus load of people accompanied by Mia Mottley joined the meeting and as a result Lynette Holder emerged victorious. Thereafter, COB took a decidedly BLP stance in hirings and sponsorships. As a matter of fact, one of the BLP operatives landed a job there and almost immediately started to steal credit union funds. When she was discovered, the board tried its best to cover it up. Unfortunately for them, I was elected to the Supervisory Committee and I insisted on police involvement.
The DEMS have fought back and now COB is firmly in control of DLP operatives.
In the case of Public Workers’ Credit Union, the DEMS managed to infiltrate that organisation to the extent that that it was used in the CLICO corruption debacle. Thompson wanted money to help bail out CLICO and he turned to that credit union. He manoeuvred a loan from NIS for them to purchase Clico Mortgage Finance Company, now Capita. NIS money was laundered through Public Workers Credit Union to try to save CLICO. In exchange, Thompson was able to get the police to stop the investigation into embezzlement of Credit Union funds.
Piece, I am afraid that it is going to be extremely difficult to stop the rot. The Financial Services Commission that now regulates credit unions is completely useless and political. The Co-operative Principles no longer guide credit unions in Barbados. The rules have been changed to allow politicians to take over credit unions.
Imagine, the Government levied an illegal tax on credit unions and not one credit union decided to fight against it.
@ the Honourable Blogmaster
Remembrance will make me recall James Paul upstairs that shanty building just East of the Jewish Cemetery and in the same complex with the sports shop. I remember James well so I shall say no more that an apple cannot fall far from a tree unless it is up a hill.
@ Caswell Franklyn
De grandson started a poster about you.
It is titled “only three lawyers in Barbados ”
David Come Sing a Song, Jeff Cumberbatch and you, yes an though many will say you doan have no LRC or whatever Mugabe Mottley is supposed to have, you are on the list.
Barbados has 1100 lawyers yet the only three who put their necks on the line for the underdog are the three of you.
It is truly a shame that we have come to repeat how Horatio kept the Bridge, in living colour here at these shore of Bim
@ Caswell,
Men like you and Bush Tea does frighten me.
After wunna does bring the facts bout Carol to the fore I become so dismayed about whether this whole struggle to do the right thing and to fight for change, I wonder if it is futile and why bother.
I mean just look at them!! Brazen thieves up front and lording it over the rest of the world, it make you ask, what is the point?
@Caswell
Is that what Donville is saying?
Our takeaway is that he has challenged the BA to take ownership given their key role as officers of the Court. It is a call BU has been making from Tales of the Courts.
Piece
The crooks want us to give up. Nothing would please them more.
@Caswell
Do not understand what you are saying. If this lady did a wrong why are we listening to her being a leading light on the airwaves in the early morn?
David
This is Barbados the Sicily of the Caribbean.
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