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Submitted by Heather Cole
Independence, 1966
Independence, 1966

We all know the story of what happened on November 30th 1966 in Barbados. The island became independent. The Union Jack, the flag of Great Britain was lowered and a Barbadian flag was raised as a symbol of national independence. However, some of the relics of colonialism were not folded up and tucked away like the British flag.

The Bible says that a man must leave an inheritance for his childrenโ€™s children. Therefore whatever we store up in wealth is to be left for our grandchildren who are our second generation. The vast majority of Barbadians do not have enough for themselves to live comfortably on, far less have savings to set aside for their grandchildren. A generational inheritance is a blessing that allows young men and women to start their early adult life with less difficulty than their grandfathers. This inheritance could be used to pay for university tuition, build a house or even start a business. We have a generational inheritance problem in Barbados.

There was no inheritance to be left during slavery. At Emancipation, the British government compensated the planters for their loss. Nothing was given to the former slaves to start a new life. The British Government did not put any mechanisms in place for the economic, social and political development of the ex-slaves and they became second class citizens in their own country. However, a very small percentage of the black population, mainly the early entrepreneurs like the fishermen and blacksmiths were able to buy land which they were able to pass down to their children.

The harsh social and economic reality of the early 1900โ€™s stalled the process of generational inheritance. The Moyne Commission recommended reforms to alleviate poverty after the Riots but did not address the lack of wealth or changes in government. It only pacified the people by recommending that they be allowed to vote. The Planter/Upper Class still owned the means of production and maintained a tight control over the legislature. This meant that the masses had no power to solve their economic, social or political problems.

It took an entire generation to witness change after the reforms that were recommended by the Moyne Commission. It came as Independence in most territories. What was meant to be freedom from outside control, freedom to make political decisions that were beneficial to the people, freedom to respond to the needs of the people, freedom to allow the people to acquire wealth, now appears to have been an illusion. All of the people should have benefitted economically from independence. The poor have not benefitted; indeed only a select few in Barbados have. One of its main goals should have been the creation of generational wealth for the masses.

The poor have not benefited politically from independence either. The Upper class still maintains control of the government. They now finance political campaigns and some of their funds are used to buy votes. Lack of governmental reform as a recommendation of the Moyne Commission has led to the creation of a self-servient Political Class in Barbados whose intent is to get rich serving the Upper Class while they pacifying the masses

Even Errol Walton Barrow, the father of Independence, great as he was has perhaps done to us the greatest disservice in the modern history of Barbados. Perhaps he thought that the conditions that led up to the riots of 1930โ€™s era would never occur again. However hind sight is not foresight. He has lived and died not knowing of his greatest misgiving. It is that the Constitution of Barbados does not contain a single clause that allows for the empowerment of the masses if they were ever faced with the social, economic and political turmoil again that existed in the 1930โ€™s. There is nothing in the Constitution that allows redress for ills when they are created by those that govern the people.

No thought was given to the meaning of the 1930โ€™s riots that occurred only one generation earlier. There is no grandfather clause in the Constitution to protect the people. His independence did not create a government for the people or by the people; it was government of the people. It was as though our owners changed from the planter class to the political class. Even the role of the Governor General does not serve a meaningful purpose. That role should be one of a mediator between the ruling government and the people. At present the Governor can only take the side of the ruling government and is absolutely no help to the people. Had it been contained in the Constitution that the people can appeal to the Governor General with good cause that the government be removed, that position would be relevant today. The Constitution needs to be re written.

The tenure of this present government has exposed all that is wrong in Barbados. Political corruption, poor governance, lack of confidence in the political system, lack of justice, a floundering economy, continuous down-grades by international rating agencies, high inflation, high unemployment, , the escalating activity of trade unions fighting to preserve the rights of a dwindling labour force, rising crime levels, an increase in poverty, sub-standard levels of health care, an education system now in turmoil both at the tertiary and secondary levels and the inability of the masses to acquire wealth.

Realistically all the evidence that is before us supports the point of view that the Constitution created at Independence is flawed with more rights to the government than the people. The entire country is at risk of systemic failure which can lead to a total collapse because the ruling party has failed to meet its obligations socially, politically and economically and the people can do nothing about it except wait until their term is up or engage in protest action. There is no power of the people to recall.

The country needs change, revolutionary change. Almost two generations after Independence there is no generational wealth for the vast majority of Barbadians to pass down. Yet the present government is bent on securing generational wealth only for their childrenโ€™s children. Why else would they be seeking to restore a 10% salary increase at this time when they have already fattened their pockets and the treasury is bare?

In the final analysis the two biggest failures of independence are staring us right in our face. It has not created wealth for the masses; if it did no man or woman in Barbados would be inclined to sell their vote. It did not empower the people to have a voice in the decisions that affect this country. We no longer need masters, or to be allowed to speak with a vote once every five years. We can think for ourselves. The Internet has given us a collective voice to partner with government to seek solutions for Barbados. We as a people must come together to rewrite the wrongs and correct the errors and create a new Constitution that is of the people, by the people and for the people. Seventy Nine years after the 1937 Riots and fifty years after Independence we are challenged with the same problems. How can we be celebrating 50 years of failure? Since we now have the ability, it is high time we resolve the problems and not pass them on to the next generation; leaving them to wonder why this present generation did nothing to prevent the countryโ€™s demise.


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233 responses to “Independence: A Blessing or a Curse?”


  1. Ms. Cole’s article, while passionately articulated, betrays a sad lack of understanding of both history and the English language.

    A grandfather clause is “a clause exempting certain pre-existing classes of people or things from the requirements of a piece of legislation.” The only function such a clause could have in the context of the events of November 30 1966 is to trigger a reversion to our status as a British colony if certain specified conditions occurred. In other words a grandfather clause would only exempt Bajans (the pre-existing class of people) from being independent (the requirements of that piece of legislation).

    There has never, to my knowledge been, a nation that wanted to be independent, but also wanted to run back under the colonial skirt if things didn’t go quite as planned. I doubt that this is what Ms. Cole wants either, but it is what is meant by a grandfather clause.

  2. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Lawson…that happened because they were spolit, whine about everything and lazy like hell, now who do you think spoilt them and made them believe they are entitled…superior and all thst is stupid..lol

  3. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Full Definition of grandfather clause
    a clause creating an exemption based on circumstances previously existing; especially : a provision in several southern state constitutions designed to enfranchise poor whites and disenfranchise blacks by waiving high voting requirements for descendants of men voting before 1867

  4. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    grandfather clause
    Word Origin
    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    noun
    1.
    U.S. History. a clause in the constitutions of some Southern states after 1890 intended to permit whites to vote while disfranchising blacks: it exempted from new literacy and property qualifications for voting those men entitled to vote before 1867 and their lineal descendants.
    2.
    any legal provision that exempts a business, class of persons, etc., from a new government regulation that would affect prior rights and privileges.
    Origin of grandfather clause Expand
    1895-1900


  5. Frustrated Businessman misses Ms. Cole’s point entirely when he points out that “We have been governed independently since 1639.”

    The most important achievement of the colonial Barbadian legislature of that era was The Act for the Better Ordering and Governing of Negroes (1661). This Act, which was then copied in the Carolinas, Virginia and across the British Empire, laid the legal foundation for chattel slavery, of one of the worst crimes against humanity perpetrated within recorded history.

    I don’t know whether history is taught any better in Barbados than when that asinine colonial buffoon Captain Hutt wandered aimlessly through irrelevant nonsense in my Harrison College classes in the 70s, but I have yet to meet many fellow Bajans who are well acquainted with the despicable ignominy of the 17th century Barbadian legislature. I was a hard back old man before I knew these basic facts about Barbadian History.

    I believe that Ms. Cole was trying to point to the notion that the “Better Ordering and Governing” should now be by us and for us rather than a continuum of this embarrassing and regrettable history.

  6. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    It would be a cakewalk to grandfather a constitutional clause that dictates land distribution and wealth amongst the majority blacks on the island seeing as what is in place now, is not fair and balance to the majority or it would not be happening, it can also prevent the wanton and greedy selling off of property and blatant stealing of land by the usual local well known crooks and business people.

    And for those who are still in doubt….

    Grandfather clause
    “Grandfathered” redirects here. For the TV series, see Grandfathered (TV series).
    Not to be confused with Grandfather rule.
    A grandfather clause (or grandfather policy) is a provision in which an old rule continues to apply to some existing situations while a new rule will apply to all future cases. Those exempt from the new rule are said to have grandfather rights or acquired rights. Frequently, the exemption is limited; it may extend for a set time, or it may be lost under certain circumstances. For example, a “grandfathered power plant” might be exempt from new, more restrictive pollution laws, but the exception may be revoked and the new rules would apply if the plant were expanded. Often, such a provision is used as a compromise or out of practicality, to allow new rules to be enacted without upsetting a well-established logistical or political situation. This extends the idea of a rule not being retroactively applied.

    The term originated in late nineteenth-century legislation and constitutional amendments passed by a number of U.S. Southern states, which created new requirements for literacy tests, payment of poll taxes, and/or residency and property restrictions to register to vote. States in some cases exempted those whose ancestors (grandfathers) had the right to vote before the Civil War, or as of a particular date, from such requirements. The intent and effect of such rules was to prevent poor and illiterate African-American former slaves and their descendants from voting, but without denying poor and illiterate whites the right to vote. Although these original grandfather clauses were eventually ruled unconstitutional, the terms grandfather clause and grandfather have been adapted to other uses.

  7. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    But Jeff is the constitutional lawyer, so he is better able to show how these constitutional amendments can apply to the brutal disenfranchisement of land and wealth being withheld from his own people on the island.


  8. Well Well & Consequences, you are proving my point. You could certainly write a “a constitutional clause that dictates land distribution and wealth amongst the majority blacks on the island,” but because that was not a pre-existing condition, it would NOT be a grandfather clause under ANY of the definitions that you’ve cited.

  9. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Peter…a grandfather clause is what you want it to be…so your point is shit. The clauses can be adapted for any use….as staed in the definition.

    “. Although these original grandfather clauses were eventually ruled unconstitutional, the terms grandfather clause and grandfather have been adapted to other uses.”

  10. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Ya’ll scum just dont want to see the fair distribution of anything to the majority on the island….and I am sincerely speaking to who the cap fits.

  11. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Ya see Peter…people are on to ya’ll…..going to Harrison College HIGH SCHOOL, dont mean shit..unless you were a real intelligent teenager and not just a future land thief.

  12. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Your conviction to right wrongs is applauded Well Well but to what benefit is offering impractical and impossible to achieve fluff. How would a constitutional amendment to allow for the redistribution of wealth be done?

    That is a fundamental absurdity.

    Anyhow, you are the authority on civil litigation so let me shut up and listen to your expert analysis.

  13. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    No Pedant…you are the authority on all things negative and how they cannot be done…so feel free to feed the negative, cause ya are not in the same room as me so it cannot affect me.

    A lawyer with an acute mind knows it can be done…the poblem is finding a politician or lawyer in Barbados with the will…it’s so much easier to take a bribe to say it cannot and make sure it is not done.

    Pedantic..,, none of the corrupt things done to the majority on the island can affect me or my family, can you say the same thing.., yet I am the positive one.

    l’ รฎlien typique ne peut jamais voir d’une maniรจre positive , qui est la malรฉdiction…mรชme si elles passent 50 ans dans un autre pays , est-ce pas une honte.


  14. @David and BU family, ESPECIALLY LAWSON AND PETER LAWRENCE..

    I tried; how I tried, not to get involved in this discussion. although it will be of limited benefit, due to intransigence by those who ….
    I read Heather’s contribution more than once to ensure that I understood what she wrote. I read the Contributions of David, Well Well, etc.
    I am forced to come to the conclusion that none of you have read the document I am holding in front of me as I write this. It is “The Report of the Constitution Review Commission 1998, and whose chairman wrote”This Review commission, by “Instrument dated October 29 1996…were appointed as a Commission to review the Constitution Of Barbados.
    Membership of the Commission encompassed persons representing the political parties, the Social Partners, Voluntary organizations, the Church, The youth, and the citizens of Barbados in general.The commission was chaired by Sir Henry Forde, with vice-Chair Hon. Oliver Jackman a former diplomat and a judge of the InterAmerican Court of Human Rights.
    The Report is 136 pages long including 9 Appendixes, and 117 Recommendations.

    I suggest that all of you read this report; nay, STUDY, this report and thoroughly understand it before you continue in the above vein. Jeff alluded to this when he suggested that one or more of you have not read the Constitution. I also suggest that you get a copy of the Independence Act (The Constitution) and study that in conjunction with the Report. During the discussion on the Review of the Constitution, many Town Hall meetings, discussions, etc were held in Barbados and overseas to get the opinions of Barbadians. The Report was finished and submitted to Government in 1998.
    Get the Report and read it.
    For instance; the commission noted that: ….”Public knowledge of the provisions of the Constitution was limited. Therefore, one of our recommendations is that the study of the Constitution should be included in the schools’ curriculum as part of a course in Civics. Updated copies of the Constitution should be made readily available at reasonable cost on an on-going basis…..’

  15. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Alvin…was this constitution written in stone…have you ever read the US constitition, it took me months….and that can be amended.

    My point is, any constitution can be amended, how is it the only constitution in the world that cannot be amended is the one in Barbados…..something is wrong with that picture.

  16. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    On another note, someone in the Netherlands contacted me and told me about a video circulating around the globe of at least 3 Bajan females abusing an elderly female in a nursing home, beating her and she is already confused due to dementia, making her further confused…these ignorant low class females filmed the abuse

    I saw the video online, but did not watch it…… yall need to tell ya wild animals posing as nurses and caretakers that the video is being viewed across the globe and stop abusing senior citizens, young children and teenage children.

    Even animals have empathy for their own species, but obviously the 2 legged psychopaths and sociopaths on the island are only interested in abusing, beating and killing their own.

    Will the DPP Charles Leacock arrest these 3 heifers for elder abuse since the photos and names of those beating this lady in a nursing home is available….something is wrong, wrong, wrong with the people on that island and they are pretending all is normal.


  17. @Alvin Cummins May 17, 2016 at 9:56 PM ” โ€œThe Report of the Constitution Review Commission 1998…The Report is 136 pages long including 9 Appendixes, and 117 Recommendations.”

    So have ANY of the recommendations been IMPLEMENTED?

  18. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Good one Simple…I did not have the heart to ask, as I feared the answer…lol

  19. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Well-well with you it’s often extremely difficult to know if that light in the distance is the glint of a new dawn at the end of an endless argument or an on-rushing train to a shuddering crash!

    Through all the readings of this post and the previous ones on the same subject I do not recall anyone indicating that the Barbados constitution cannot be amended. A cursory check of the constitution would clarify that, even.

    Thus I am unclear from where this position has developed and what exactly it has to do with the arguments presented by Ms Cole.

    @Simple, one recommendation certainly has. Any JA, like you or me, can go online and get a copy of the constitution and read it before shooting from the lip!


  20. For nearly all of its life as an independent nation Barbados has been governed by lawyers.There are now too many of them on the island, and most have developed an attitude of entitlement, which is to say they confidently assume that their training has equipped them to guide the decisions of state, especially if they are constitutional lawyers. Every problem facing the country is analyzed as if the best solution is some adjustment to the laws of the land. That is all they know how to do.
    That kind of thinking may make sense for an advanced society like the UK, but not necessarily for a backward developing country like Barbados. The narrow training of a lawyer, who usually has no deep understanding of the technical literatures of the sciences and engineering, no ability to read and understand research papers in economics, no training in the business disciplines – finance, accounting, management, and marketing – means that we are stuck with ruling elites who are proud and sure of themselves, but have little know-how. They are utterly incompetent at providing the practical leadership a place like Barbados needs.
    Stop tinkering with the laws of the land. That won’t solve our problems.


  21. @ Chad 9X5
    Boss, for this post alone you are forgiven by Bushie for all the licks you have rained down on the women of this BU family.
    Lord knows that Bushie want to help you share some too, …but the whacker seem to have some kinda gender-bias towards the “fearHer” sex (it was probably made in Canada…) ..also.. memories of IslandGal’s 2X4 and of her evil disposition lingers….

    You nailed it.
    Lawyers are indeed the scum of the earth….and our fascination with them has resulted in the high levels of brass bowlery being displayed across the landscape wherever they set foot.

    From biblical days these vermin have been selfishly leading hapless peoples astray.
    “But woe to you, experts in the law and you Pharisees, hypocrites! You keep locking people out of the kingdom of heaven! For you neither enter nor permit those trying to enter to go in.


  22. Brother Bush Tea,

    Do I know you?

    Every thing that I say, every person I click pun and like every statement or concept you does be agreeing with! Yes Chad made a spot on contribution.

    What the as* does a lawyer know about the economy and driving the foreign reserves of Barbados? THis is why you know that Fumble is an idiot. Look how he gives the Ministry of Finance to an idjit WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHERE TO PUT A DECIMAL POINT!!!

    I going have to purposely start disagreeing with you though Brother Bush else Donna going come here (AGAIN) and assert that I am licking your nether regions!

    The point that Jeff made and I, ingrunt lawman that i am, have had to agree with, is that this dribble by Ms. Cole has not gone through any serious thought.

    I have read specific parts of the Cuntstitution (the part related to the denial of a speedy trial) and one or two other parts BUT THE MAIN POINT THAT Alvin’s single coherent contribution for this month is that there are voluminous papers out there WHICH THE AVERAGE BAJAN HAS NOT READ AND DOES NOT HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA ABOUT!!!

    Imagine, as Ms. Cole is pushing this Cunstitution Reform and I, denizen living in Marl Hole, i am expected to vote and say change um!! In fact, let me not be make and derogatory comment to any specific part of the cuntry, let me be generic.

    Which part of BIM you know where you can poll 10 people and 9 can tell you 2 parts of the Cunstitution?

    That is why I term it Cunstitution Change!! A bundle of people who know nothing about the damn thing yet having to (a) give their input (b) propose changes and then (c) vote pun it

    It is plain madness!! and then to suggest that she is going to speak to Mia Mottley bout um!! Whuloss!!

    I axe she to axe Mia to have all of her vagabonds on the BLP side submit their assets to the people of Barbados @ today 2 months ago, in fact the Honourable Blogmaster can retrieve my cry for this action from over 10 months ago AND MOTTLEY AND HER CREW WHO NOW ARE ENVISIONING DIVIDING UP AND EATING THE FATTED COW ( no not Jerome) have all remained silent.

    This is where we are, 50 years along, and just as stupid without the Union Jack as we are, with the Broken Trident, supposedly without? (some would query that fallacy) the Union Jack.

    http://imgur.com/lrOvzBy

    I do know the other clowns are look and hopefully they glean something from the rapidity of “blows” CONSTANT, UNRELENTLESS, REPETITIVE, “BAJANS WANT CHANGE”

    ALL ELSE IS A WASTE FOOP.

    you are dealing with a simple population who, unlike the few who think, will be led by the popular sentiment.

    The reason that Trump is giving the Democrats so much trouble is because their message is too intellectual, you have to stay simple, understand the pulse of the masses, AND PLAY ON THOSE SIMPLETONS (nearly said Simple Simons)

    Over and over, like a school marn saying “Good morning children” to elicit the droned response of Bajan students (Goooooood Morningggggggg Ma’ammmmmmm”after a while the response becomes automatic (yet still long and drawn out, the progenitor of our current sluggardly thought)

  23. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/81358/elderly-abuse-proposals-parliament

    And just to prove mine and Simple’s point…I am sure I been hearing about this elder abuse proposal to be tabled in parliament for the last 10 years…it takes the beating of an elderly senior citizen and the actions of 3 violent abusers posting a video online for the TALK to surface again.

    Pedantic. ..you still missed the point and you should try to eliminate the word CANT from your vocabulary as should all the schools in Barbados, what an exercise in negativity it has produced for the last 50 years in now old ass people who refuse to see anything positive happening for their own people.

    Cgadx9….I am with you on that, too many lawyers in Barbados and most unable to drive any positive change since the ones in parliament are obviously not properly schooled in interpreting legislations.

  24. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Except the part about tinkering woth the laws of the land…it’s those jackass laws that see the lawyrrs in parliament, refusing to make any positive changes, as they all believe they are writing in stone, you must change laws, when they are useless antiquated to affect change.

    The problem in Barbados is…the politicians and lawyers do not want change and you should thank the divine that slavery became unprofitable for the british, cause had it not and they had given political freedom to black men without removing slave laws and abolishing the evil practice…the plkitically freed black politicians would not remove any of them….so antiquared laws must go or else you get what is happening in Barbados…total stagnation and no forward movement.

  25. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Piece…the politicians and lawyers in parliament are being paid by the average lay person and should be trusted enough to be able to understand the constitution, make the necessary changes and keep it current…after all its the ordinary man in the street educated them and pay those salaries…very very few people read a constitution anywhere, only curious people like mysekf would bother…and if the idiots in parliament most of whom are lawyrrs, continually misinterpret it….well you get my point.

    It’s long past the time to stop misinterpreting and make changes.

  26. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Did I mention that there are the lawyers who exist solely to take bribes, titles and positions to ensure that antiquated, useless laws and legislation will never be removed or amended.

  27. Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass.

    Well Well & Consequences May 18, 2016 at 6:19 AM #
    Did I mention that there are the lawyers who exist solely to take bribes, titles and positions to ensure that antiquated, useless laws and legislation will never be removed or amended.

    And facilitate teefin politicians with CLICO-like professional services.

  28. Well Well & Consequences Avatar
    Well Well & Consequences

    Frustrated..there lies the biggest problem….any changes or amendments to the constitution that will drive equality amongst the citizens will be avoided, cause you will see less Leroy Parris’, Peter Harris’, Cow and Bizzy Williams, Tempros, Maloneys, Bjerkhams and the slew of crooks on the island, the minorities depend and such lawyers and politicians, with the mentality of a sell out continuously sitting in parliament for thrir survival of keeping the disenfranchisement of the majority going and their bank accounts fat….now you see why it has been an uphill battle for other business people, the imbalance.

    Everything would be on an even footing and that is what none of the above culprits want…even though they will all soon dry up and die.

  29. Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass.

    Peter Lawrence Thompson May 17, 2016 at 7:21 PM #
    Well Well & Consequences, you are proving my point. You could certainly write a โ€œa constitutional clause that dictates land distribution and wealth amongst the majority blacks on the island,โ€

    No need to do that, it already exists.

    BDS Gov’t is the largest land-owner in BIM, those properties belong to the majority black population.

    In addition to those lands, BAMC, a statutory corporation, controls through long-term lease a further 40% of privately owned agricultural land that was indebted beyond its value in 1992, also controlled by proxy by the mostly black taxpayers in Bim.

    Further, there are over 3,000 more acres of agriculture land in St. John owned by CLICO. If Fumble gets his way and bails out his friend Leroy the taxpayers will also own that.

    Further to that, BAMC worked out a system for leasing privately owned agriculture land for $200 per acre so just about every inch of the remaining agriculture land in BIM is available for lease to the entrepreneurial spirits among our population at prices less than the interest rates on mortgage payments, never mind the principal.

    So, once again, the issue isn’t one of land or opportunity, working in agriculture has been demonised by every leader we’ve had since independence. What you really need to strive for is the entitlement created by two generations of socialism. What you really mean to say is that you would like to sell the land and put the money in the bank accounts of Bajan citizens. That is an entirely different thing.

  30. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    In defence of lawyers in Parliament and the profession generally, how do they get there?

    I am not aware of any Constitutional provision that entitles a lawyer to a Parliamentary seat. And how many will more will there be if there is indeed a change in Government? Can an economist adequately support him or herself financially? An engineer?

  31. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    The most compelling of the pithy saws which abound is that even a broken clock can be right twice a day…and to that can be added and ‘anywhere in the world too’.

    Can any of you wise folks Pieces, Bush Man, Chad45, or polygot Well-well clarify the half truth that “For nearly all of its life as an independent nation Barbados has been governed by lawyers”…It sounds so just like a ticking clock.

    How many of us were engineers or technical exports here on BU who reviewed and logically dissected the Cahill project?

    So what in heaven’s name does being a lawyer prevent someone from reviewing and dissecting a bunch of clauses about the customs and prescriptions of Bajan life culled together to form something called a constitution.

    Neither Sandiford nor Arthur studied the bar as far as I know. They certainly did courses in law in their university course work surely as any professional will be affected by the law of the land.

    So too every citizen and the fact that law allows a politician to more seamlessly move in and out of political life better than most professions is likely the singular most telling reason that we have so many lawyers as politicians.

    But Chad45′ point despite its one time around the world accuracy goes to the deeper question always not often debated: why do so many of our best academic talent opt to be lawyers rather than the other professions he delineated (because so many want to be politicians???)…now that is some clock work that is worth an all day tick-tock review!!!!

    @Well-well with you I ALWAYS miss the point it seems…whenever it comes down to asking you for a fundamental and unequivocal clarification of your argument.


  32. Jeff…
    Can an economist adequately support him or herself financially? an Engineer?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    ANY IDIOT can support themselves financially if they get themselves into parliament and pass laws to legally REQUIRE all citizens to use their services for simple shiite …at ridiculous rates.

    If they bamboozle the brass bowls and become the animal farm pigs, then they can pay themselves $750,000 for mis-reading a shiite contract…. or $1M for an ill-conceived CAHILL scam…

    How do they get here…?
    …via CAVE HILL.

  33. Jeff Cumberbatch Avatar
    Jeff Cumberbatch

    @Bush tea, now Cave Hill is responsible for placing people in parliament? You have a psychotic obsession with that place, clearly. What exactly is it?


  34. @Well Well,
    My point is, any constitution can be amended, how is it the only constitution in the world that cannot be amended is the one in Barbadosโ€ฆ..something is wrong with that picture.

    Well Well, All it requires is a 2/3 majority. Which gove4nment in the last seven years has had such a majority? Which sections do you want changed? What are the changes? Have you lobbied to see what the PEOPLE want? It is alright to get here and post a lot of dribble, but when you get down to the nitty gritty, it is just that; a lot of dribble.
    By the way I am not on your side with regard to your contribution re the ALLEGED abuse at the Nursing Home. I know aha place and I know the individuals, and it is NOT as it appears. I have a friend in the same home that I visit on a regular basis. (Going there today) The portrayal in the video are not as it appears to be; abuse.

  35. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Alvin Cummins May 18, 2016 at 8:17 AM
    โ€œ..All it requires is a 2/3 majority. Which gove4nment in the last seven years has had such a majority?โ€

    You are really losing it, aren’t you โ€˜pottyโ€™ Alvin?

    How many seats did the DLP have in Parliament between 2008 and February 2013?
    It my memory serves me well, 7 years have not yet past between February 2013 and May 2016.

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    So Frustated…with that being the case and all the politicians and most lawyers still acting like all the land belongs to minorities….maybe the change in amendment to the constitution should be a change in their inaction to action…grandfathering their blatant stupidity in the way the land is stilll being distributed from the land bank that government controls…..

    And while they are at it, maybe thry can make new amendments to the whole constitution, so they themselves can more easily understand the constitutional legislation and stop making so many misinterpretations because of the contradicting nature of the current constitutional laws.

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    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/81356/stuart-obsessed-fingerprinting

    Case in point….the fingerprinting brouhaha, before it could even get of the ground, all 30 lawyers in parliament including the prime minister either,misinterpreted and/or totally ignored the legislation that would prevent them from violating human rights in a helterskelter manner…their inability to understand constitutional laws, as lawyers, is glaring, they need amendments so they can understand these laws, at their own level.

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    Well Well & Consequences

    Alvin…the people will be marching very shortly for what they WANT……DLP GONE.

    That good enough for you.

  39. Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass. Avatar
    Frustrated Businessman aka Republic my ass.

    Well Well & Consequences May 18, 2016 at 9:53 AM #
    So Frustatedโ€ฆwith that being the case and all the politicians and most lawyers still acting like all the land belongs to minoritiesโ€ฆ.maybe the change in amendment to the constitution should be a change in their inaction to actionโ€ฆgrandfathering their blatant stupidity in the way the land is stilll being distributed from the land bank that government controlsโ€ฆ..

    I think we might nearly agree.

    The issue is not the land or any other political distraction, the issue is how successive Bajan gov’ts have been entrusted with all the disproportionally (to a small society’s privately-held assets) valuable assets of a socialist society and squandered and mismanaged it all so grossly.

    The only attribute elected officials prove prior to taking a cabinet position is popularity. They either prove or disprove their acumen after taking office. By then it is too late for all of us.

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    Understood Frustrated…, politicians have to make the fundamental changes within themselves, it’s no use the electorate continue these 5 year incremental waits for politicians to do the right thing or for things to get better re fairness and balance in diwtribution of anything, wont happened, the little brain power the politicians possess is very limited and only relegated to serving self and who can pay them the biggest bribes.

    But….the impasse has arrived, the ball has finally reached the people’s court….a good 2 years before elections, with pressure skilfully and intelligently applied….the politicians of both political parties can learn the hard way, that their practices of dividing the island so that so few benefit financially….has finally reached it’s end.

    The same players who put an end to the Cahill/government scam, now have the experience to proceed further and show others the way, those who are scared to expose all they know, need to know they can trust the people who they send the information to….2 years from now and it’s a wrap for politicians and their corrupt practices against the citizens….it’s not only governments can practice stealth…..citizens who are concerned and want change are even more capable of stealth than government…persons have brought down governments singlehandedly.


  41. LOL @ Jeff
    Don’t be silly.
    It is not a question of who elects them to Parliament. You must know of Hobson’s choice…
    It is about who creates the monsters….

    What Cave Hill does, is create hoards of semi-literate bowls with a strong sense of entitlement, a commitment to a system of ‘Laws’ that at best can be described as asinine, and then you let them loose on a hapless nation of confirmed brass bowls….
    The results are inevitable…
    ….Mis-use of client funds
    ….A completely dysfunctional justice system
    ….A Parliament full of the miscreants
    ….Laws mandating ordinary citizens to fund their lifestyles in order to survive
    ….massive land fraud

    …and not a SINGLE word of condemnation from the sources at the monster factory.

    Bushie maintains that you (Cave Hill) OWES it to the country to establish and enforce some kind of code of ethics, review of performance, and condemnation of evil …on the part of these demons …but you convenient pass the buck to the Law School in Trinidad…and to Bushie.. ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol…I hope Jeff was not tutoring criminal law at UWI between 2006-9 and that this dude was not in any of his classes, but a client with a personal injury case had cause to ask a UWI graduate attorney recently, what kind of law they are being taught at UWI on the hill, do they teach them about conflict of interest…and why are so many of them practicing bad law…..

    Jeff..ya see why I stick to my specialty, dude knew he was not seasoned in personal injury law, but took the case only because him and the defense attorney were thisclose. I know he will hesitate to do dumb shit like that again, after what the client did upon finding out…lol


  43. Bush Tea It is time you come out of the bushes. Next time you defecate I am going to call in the public health inspectors and have them make you clean up your twaddle. Cave Hill train minds .It does not create politicians or any of the miscreants you abuse every day.

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    Well Well & Consequences

    Lol..


  45. A country of nearly 1000 lawyers should make it easier to test many of the challenges we are experiencing in court. The outcomes from those challenges would inform advocacy for change to the Constitution.

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    Only if the lawyers and politicians alike, learn to eradicate the negative words… CAN’T and NO, from their respective vocabularies and replace them instead with the positive words …CAN and YES.

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    Well Well & Consequences

    And only if the lawyers and politicians alike, amend the constitution in ways they all can understand, devoid of all those idiotic misinterpretations.

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    Well Well & Consequences

    http://www.barbadostoday.bb/2016/05/18/fingerprinting-is-a-must-argues-inniss/

    As soon as Fruendel and Donville lose those diplomatic passports, both should be the first former ministers fingerprinted leaving and re-entering the island.


  49. The Covenant of Hope does not clearly identify constitutional reform as an initiative the BLP has prioritized. This is why BU advised Heather to lobby the government in waiting. Ways must be found to influence policymakers in waiting then there citizens exploiting the system of government to hold them accountable.


  50. @ bernard
    You are clearly looking to incite bushie to cuss and get on waxy…..
    but not today…. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Cave Hill trains minds indeed!!!
    LOL
    ha ha ha
    Wuhloss!!

    …to do what? …kowtow to foreign managers and financiers and to local albinos?
    …to happily sell every shiite to foreigners so that graduates can buy BMWs while reporting to their clerical jobs in formerly local entities?

    Cave Hill shiite…!!
    Bushie would turn the whole place into a shiite museum …with statues of all the senior management there over the years, …sitting on toilet bowls doing their jobs….

    Why yuh don’t sent the Public health inspectors to clean up that Nation-destroying money-hole….

    …or send them to clean up the piece of DEED’S land that COW donated to UWI …so that wunna can get in some proper “yard-boy” and ‘Field-hand’ training… like in the good old days.

    Bushie don’t hate Cave Hill per se …. Bushie HATES wasted resources that should be game-changers for enfranchisement, ..but are in fact, tools of enslavement of the worse (mental) kind.

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