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Tony Cozier

I haven’t listened to cricket on the radio in decades but the passing of Tony Cozier has stirred some long dormant memories.

I can’t remember when I first heard Cozier on the radio but my first memories of listening to cricket was the WI tour of Australia in 1960-61 when as a sapling I was able to stay up late at night to listen to Johnny Moyes in a colourful Aussie accent on ABC (Australian Broadcasting Corp.)

Later during the WI tour of England in 1963 we were treated to the dulcet tones of John Arlott whose descriptive commentary of Cricket as well as the surrounding countryside provided a picture as vivid as any contemporary movie scene.

Cozier came on the scene sometime after that tour and I recall his voice on the radio as one of our own and that voice although lacking the timbre of some of the other commentators was very informative. I also remember his reports in that other media- newspapers- I believe he came from a media family as his family was involved with the Daily News (now defunct) and I seem to recall a column by his father EL Cozier which appeared under the byline ELC. The immediacy of TV has diminished the importance of the radio voice but those of the generation which came of age in the 60’s remember radio as our connection to the outside world and we relied on the eloquence of the person behind the mike to fuel our imagination and Cozier fit the bill.

An innings well played.

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282 responses to “Tony Cozier, the LEGEND”

  1. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Cozier’s columns for ESPNcricinfo…Link it or lose it!

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/author.html?author=200

  2. David Avatar
    David

    It is unfortunate that Tony Cozier, like many of the cricket legends, went to his grave at loggerheads with the WICB.

    We never learn.

  3. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    The BBC over here has paid tribute to him and yes,he was a Legend in his time.

  4. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    We are the last to be uncharitable. But when Cozier is remembered, and much of those memories must be fond, we must also recall that up to 2000 (circa) Wanderers Cricket Club was, as run by Cozier, a crypto-racist organization. And Cozier worked hard to so maintain it.

    And there are other critiques which could be made, Those could include his penchant to side with our enemies under the guise of his brand of journalism. His unremitting support for people like Peter Short and other White elites in the Caribbean, Stolmeyer el al, who have controlled West Indies cricket for centuries. The promotion of the current management ethos where Black men in White masks provide a kind of management more interested in appeasing our foes than imposing a Caribbean centric cricketing management culture, in spite of our success. A success which came despite the likes of Cozier.

    As a journalist, Cozier used his position to attack his perceived enemies by planting stories ,under other bylines, to hurt innocent people. We say no more!

  5. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    What is this thing about calling all of these people ‘legend’. Seems that this and other words denoting superhuman feats are bandied about with increased regularity.

    During the last 20/20 tournament we heard Carlos Brathwaite calling some New Zealand or English opening batsman a ‘legend’.

    Seems to us that for Bajans there are all ‘legends’ and no ‘indians’

  6. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Blogmaster there is an equally uplifting narrative that can be offered. Cozier was at peace with himself and the joy that WI cricket brought him and that he gave to us many fans. And the loggerheard restrain of trade law suit he had with WICB was no more than a mere incidental aspect of his ‘charmed’ life.

    He as a rookie relative chronicled the captaincy by colour and class of Stollmeyer, Goddard et al; who like a brother enjoyed the career starts of Hall and Sobers and then as an older cousin to Lloyd and Richards and finally as a father to Holding and Haynes. He was at the heart of the absolute greatest example of Caribbean unity and thus I can only believe that he was at peace with life.

    TC wrote a piece at the passing of Andy Gantaume, the one test wonder. And there was a man who surely had ever right to be bitter with the WICB administration but seemingly he had come to grips with that painful insult…a life’s insult; frankly, if he could so should all others.

    We do learn. Don’t get mean. Get even. Cozier did that times over and bested the think-skinned sporting autocrats.

    Those with a sense of the ironic would look askance at the fact that a White man in 2016 WI cricket was being denied his rightly opportunity to enjoy the fruits of his talents by a Black Establishment. Eh….the more things change the more they remain the same. Even if in reverse.

    Long life to the memory of the Garry Sobers of WI journalism – so described by Mike Holding)!

  7. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    thin-skinned works much better than think-skinned, so be corrected accordingly!!!

  8. David Avatar
    David

    As a youngster his dulcet tones brought great joy to those of us listening.

  9. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    In the land of the blind, every one-eyed creature is a legend…..

  10. Peltdownman Avatar
    Peltdownman

    Only someone as intellectually bankrupt as Pachamama could write such a piece.

  11. MoneyBrain Avatar
    MoneyBrain

    Tony, regardless of any detractors, was a Bajan who succeeded Globally in his craft and that should be celebrated.

    When I met a TV Cameraman at Bayfield 10 yrs or so back, and learnt that he was working International Cricket globally as a top camera guy, I immediately congratulated him for his success. I did not think that he was only getting a pick because of some diversity program or other reason. He like Tony is a globally recognised practitioner that we all should respect.

    Bajan’s have a failing in putting down their own.

  12. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Since the death of TC, many persons in cricket from all over the world have spoken in glowing terms about his writing and commentary. Simply because one of the VERY BEST. He was right up there with Arlott, Johnson, McGilvary and Benaud.

    It would, however, take a Bajan to harp upon “But when Cozier is remembered, and much of those memories must be fond, we must also recall that up to 2000 (circa) Wanderers Cricket Club was, as run by Cozier, a crypto-racist organization. And Cozier worked hard to so maintain it.

    And there are other critiques which could be made, Those could include his penchant to side with our enemies under the guise of his brand of journalism. His unremitting support for people like Peter Short and other White elites in the Caribbean, Stolmeyer el al, who have controlled West Indies cricket for centuries.”

    The writer of the above seems to forget that Cozier was born in Barbados, which has always been almost as apartheid as South Africa. He was a creature of his upbringing, the Bajan society and his school days at the Lodge school. What more do you expect.

    Quae cum ita essent, as a cricket commentator he was supreme. He performed with the excellence of one who was educated in Barbados. All Bajans ought to be proud of his work and the fact that the world has respected the quality of his work. WHEN YA GOOD, YA GOOD!

    How oft today do he have to listen to the particular bias of the New Zealand Australian and English ex cricketers- some of whom do not know the difference between long leg and fine leg.

    Have you ever heard the bovine excrement that exudes from the oral orifice of Danny Morrison. Have you ever heard Daren Ganga with his “tree hundred and turty tree for tree? I can go on.

    Cozier will not be replaced, because contemporary cricket commentators do not put in their all in their work, or maybe they just dont know or care about cricket like a real true Bajan cricket fanatic.

  13. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Bush Tea May 13, 2016 at 8:49 AM #
    In the land of the blind, every one-eyed creature is a legend…..

    This may generally be considered true BUT with respect to the RELIGION OF CRICKET in BARBADOS, TONY COZIER COULD NOT BE CONSIDERED BLIND. HE EARNED HIS SUCCESS AND ACCLAIM BECAUSE HE WORKED AT IT. JUST AS SOME WORK AT THE LAW, OR TEACHING AT CAVE HILL FOR 30 plus years etc OR AS SURGEONS, COZIER WORKED FOR HIS LIVING WHAT HE ENJOYED AND DID BETTER AND ALL EXCPT PERHAPS A VERY FEW

    Pachamama May 13, 2016 at 7:10 AM #
    What is this thing about calling all of these people ‘legend’. Seems that this and other words denoting superhuman feats are bandied about with increased regularity.
    ARE YOU NOT A LEGEND ON BU FOR PERENNIALLY AND PERSISTENTLY PERPETRATING PITHY PUTRID PEDANTIC PUSTULAR PEE?

  14. MoneyBrain Avatar
    MoneyBrain

    GP, now dat did real classic!

  15. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    mb

    THANKS
    cricket is our religion

    When i speak about “false teaching” up here I automatically mention “googlies” and have to explain the term. Truth is all false teachers “bowl googlies.”

    Your culture is a great part of you

    I remember once speaking on ” When the fullness of time was come” and explaining the agricultural term “fullness” in terms of stoning ripe but still apparently green mangoes or picking breadfruit, which are generally green in colour even when ripe.

    Language is sweet, and the ability to entwine it with your culture is fun

  16. flyonthewall Avatar
    flyonthewall

    @Pachamama

    “We are the last to be uncharitable.”
    Truth be told, you are always the first. You can’t comment on the weather without turning it into a bitter diatribe about racism and expressing you bitter hatred of white people.

    This country made a great fuss over Donna Symmonds when she was a cricket commentator — first female in the business, etc. In 2005 she was made an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for her “contribution to sport”. Tony Cozier was far, far more deserving of such an honour. But perhaps he did not have the wherewithal to “buy” one through a political donation, or simply refused to do so.

  17. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    David, the other day I was on Cricinfo and I saw a caption under a Cozier pic which said to the effect “although he never played the game”. I was taken aback. So I jumped on and posted a remark correcting them.

    Today I read Pacha’s remarks and was also taken aback. But saw little merit in further besmirching Cozier’s memory by responding to such a remark.

    My remarks at cricinfo were quite positive as I mentioned the same quote I posted here on the Sports Page but the editors there did not run any of that and in effect dismissed my post. I saw a one line comment from someone else (I presumed) which blandly corrected their error and said simply he had played cricket.

    My point is simple. You sir as editor should really take the absolute authority to moderate comments on occasion when they fundamentally take away from a blog such as this.

    I am not here to get into any stupid tic-for-tac but on these BU pages a blogger here posting made the same basic allegation against Tony Cozier that Pacha did. I had never heard it before until he made that allegation.

    All that to say that the positives on the man’s life far OUTWEIGH any suggested racial negatives and sans specific evidence of gross wrong doing it would be great if posting focus on the positives or be edited/dismissed to go some other place!

  18. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ GP
    No one questions high quality and international standards. However our penchant to move quickly to superlatives to describe anything that is above the generally accepted poor standards is misguided. It does not accommodate the truly high standards to which we SHOULD all be routinely committed.

    Given the financial commitments that this island has made to free education over the past 60 years, and the cricket legacy created by world class giants such the local cricket legends, please tell us a good reason why at least 75 percent of all our cricket commentators should not be at the level of Tony; …and why Bajan coaches are not in global demand; …and why the Caribbean cricket franchise is not the global model…..
    ….it is because we accept mediocrity as a standard ..so that when someone of class like TC comes along, we jump to superlatives…..

    So what then, ….when we produce a Nelson Mandela, an Obama or another global game-changer? …or are we saying that out of ‘Nazareth’ can come no such legend…?

    The man was good …. as good he SHOULD have been, …but LEGEND….?
    Like sainthood, there should probably be a period of reflection and introspection before such terms are tossed around….

  19. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    de pedantic Dribbler May 13, 2016 at 7:11 AM #

    We do learn. Don’t get mean. Get even.
    ………………………………………………………………………….

    Excellent point but do we as a people realy learn and do we formulate plans to get even……if we did we would not be complaining ad infinitum about the political class nor the different colours of our people and who has more.

  20. David Avatar
    David

    @Dee Word

    Understand your point. Practising freedom of expression is hard.

  21. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David
    Some of us very stupid and ignorant. I was born in 52, Cozier in 40. So he experienced racism in Bdos for 12 years before he I came. Cozier went to the Lodge school where racism was rampant as it did not at any other school in Barbados. Most of us know the story of Sam Headley.

    I said this without apology, and I say it again ….”The writer of the above seems to forget that Cozier was born in Barbados, which has always been almost as apartheid as South Africa. He was a creature of his upbringing, the Bajan society and his school days at the Lodge school. What more do you expect? THIS STATEMENT CAN NOT BE REFUTED BECAUSE IT IS AS ACCURATE AS JOHN 3:16

    Those lines give balance to my accurate piece of prose. IT SAYS TO PACHAMA THAT WHITE BOYS BORN IN APARTHEID BARBADOS IN 1940 & SCHOOLED AT LODGE MIGHT BE EXPECTED TO BE RACIST IN SOME WAY. THAT IS NOT A CRITICISM, BUT A BALANCED TRUISM! I KNOW WHAT THE LODGE SCHOOL DID TO MY BROTHER!

    I remember well thee little white woman who ran the little post office at St Lawrence next to the Worthing Police Station. I remember all the white women who worked in the banks and sores in Broad Street when I accompanied my grand mother to Bridgetown.

    I remember the white priests who officiated at St Lawrence& St Matthias in the late fifties…Morallee. JBG Frederick, Jaggard, & Cayless….also Layne I also remember Pemberton and Simmons at St Paul’s. I remember all the white teachers who taught at Harrison College when I entered in 62- many of them from the UK.

    I remember when white men used to play in football matches at YMPC in those days.

    I say it without apology to the Dribbler in his TIC FOR TAC BS, for this was how it was then.

    When the Betzpaenic one writes “sans specific evidence of gross wrong doing ” I can honestly say that TC exhibited racism towards me personally.

    Yet quae cum ita essent I have spoken in glowing terms on this page about Cozier. By comments to Pacha was to point out ACCURATELY that Cozier was a creature of our culture .

    BECAUSE THE PEDANTIC BTZPAENIC had never heard it before DOES NOT MAKE IT NOT SO.

    ANY ONE WITH A FUNCTIONING BRAIN CAN UNDERSTAND THAT FOLK ARE CREATURES OF THEIR TIMES, EXCEPT A JACKASS.

    David can start editing as he likes but he will find that BU will then become like the other now obsolete blog and how the once vibrant VALUEMD used to be. These days it is advertising here and there.

  22. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Bush Tea May 13, 2016 at 10:10 AM #
    @ GP
    No one questions high quality and international standards. However our penchant to move quickly to superlatives to describe anything that is above the generally accepted poor standards is misguided. It does not accommodate the truly high standards to which we SHOULD all be routinely committed.

    I RESPECT YOUR POSITION…………..BUT REPORTS FROM ALL OVER TH WORLD CLASSIFY TC AS LEGENDARY WITH RESPECT TO HIS CRICKET JOURNALISM.
    HE WAS DEFINITELY ONE OF THE VERY BEST AND PUT IN THE SAME CLASS AS BENAUD ARLOTT AND MCGILVERY

    THIS CAN NOT BE DENIED

  23. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David
    VALUE MD appeared in February 2003 as a follow up to GUide to Foreign Medical SChools.
    I have followed it since then because it gave an idea of the whims and fancies, and the praises and complaints of offshore medical schools especially.

    Hundreds of posts were made daily with several stalwarts talking about all facets of such education.

    Then they started deleting posts considered not politically correct and giving infractionslom
    Now they have to advertise. No one bothers with ValueMd today

    VALUEMD DECLINED BECAUSE IT BECAME BIASED AND LACKED BALANCE

    With respect to Cricinfo, which has in recent times been bought by ESPN, there is a distinct bias to posters from India, and the subcontinent, by persons who seem to be very young and who know vry little about cricket history or ven their own cricket history.

  24. David Avatar
    David

    @Hants and Dee Word

    We are a small society and this will breed insularity.

  25. David Avatar
    David

    @GP

    It is the very rare occasion BU will edit a comment.

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Bush Tea
    Another word that is misused is VETERAN
    There is a twit who regurgitates statistics on the Barbados Today Sport pages with little serious analysis who calls himself a VETERAN
    Seems that if you do something for a lengthy period you are a veteran. So you are a veteran on BU
    Up here in the USA once you go to war and get back home you are a VETERAN, even though you might have been soiling your pants most of the time and never once got of a round.

  27. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    David May 13, 2016 at 11:55 AM #
    @GP

    It is the very rare occasion BU will edit a comment.

    I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD NOT EDIT
    I AM SAYING THAT IT IS WRONG TO EDIT OUT THE TRUTH BECAUSE IT DOES NOT SUIT A PERSON’S AGENDA

    E.G I WONT SUGGEST THAT PACHA’S MORONIC MOUTHINGS SHOULD BE EDITED, BUT I POINTED OUT TO HIM WHY SOME OF WHAT HE SAID MIGHT BE TRUE.

    I TRY TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE WHEN POSTING HERE AND ELSEWHERE

  28. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    http://vob929.com/FilesFTP/TonyCozier/TCBJUL12.mp3

  29. NorthernObserver Avatar
    NorthernObserver

    “we must also recall that up to 2000 (circa) Wanderers Cricket Club was, as run by Cozier, a crypto-racist organization. And Cozier worked hard to so maintain it.”

    You know not of what you speak. Yes Wanderers was a white club. But it was because of Cozier, Prof Edwards, the late Tommy Pierce and Stephen Farmer that it became more inclusive. And yes they had to fight against the old guard.

    And to that point, Cozier was the only of the aforementioned members who also liked, and played hockey. The 1980 (20 years before 2000) hockey team included David Gill, Lionel Gill, Hume Yearwood, Trevor Sealy, Ricky Griffith and ???? Thomson. In fact, it was well known within Wanderers, that if you didn’t like the more inclusive nature of the club, you could go elsewhere (Windward?)

    Yes there was a racial bias at Wanderers for many years, but I would argue Cozier was one who made it more inclusive, not less so.

  30. MoneyBrain Avatar
    MoneyBrain

    The fact is that my black friends who were among the very first to join Wanderers out of HC tell me they were welcomed by the gents listed.
    I was at Pickwick in the early 1970s and several darker gents were joining like Hallam Gill, Courtney Selman, Valence Connell et al, they were treated well from what I witnessed over several years that i was in Bim.

  31. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @David May 13, 2016 at 11:25 AM #
    @Hants and Dee Word

    We are a small society and this will breed insularity.

    What did I write that made you add me to your admonition.

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    http://caribbeancricket.com/news/2016/05/12/6196

  33. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    de pedantic Dribbler May 13, 2016 at 10:05 AM opined
    I am not here to get into any stupid tic-for-tac but on these BU pages a blogger here posting made the same basic allegation against Tony Cozier that Pacha did. I had never heard it before until he made that allegation.
    All that to say that the positives on the man’s life far OUTWEIGH any suggested racial negatives and sans specific evidence of gross wrong doing it would be great if posting focus on the positives or be edited/dismissed to go some other place!

    Whereas I am in no stupid tic-for-tac ( it is TIT FOR TAT dummy) I will say this
    In 1 Peter 2:22 It is reported that Jesus Christ COMMITTED NO SIN, NOR WAS ANY DECEIT FOUND IN HIS MOUTH;

    In 2 Corinthians 5:21 we read that He knew no sin

    Hebrews 4:15 teaches that he was tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

    In 1 John 3:5 we read about Our Lord that in Him there is no sin.

    Finally in John 19:4 Pilate said, “Behold, I am bringing Him out to you so that you may know that I find no guilt in Him

    To quote the betzpaenic moron “the positives on the life of Jesus ’ far OUTWEIGH anything that” we have heard about any man yet I quote the betzpaenic moron again “sans specific evidence of gross wrong doing “ DEROGATORY REMARKS ON BU ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR ARE NEVER “edited/dismissed to go some other place! “ Ah lie? So why should my ACCURATE TRUTHFUL POST BE “edited/dismissed to go some other place! “

    AFTER ALL TONY COZIER WAS NOT PERFECT HE OFTEN WOULD EXAGGERATE OR CONFABULATE

    I cite the dribbler at de pedantic Dribbler May 11, 2016 at 5:29 PM when he quoted from Cozier thus From fire to friendship’ by Tony Cozier. February 10, 2009

    “When I first laid eyes on Wes Hall he was in the next parish. ”

    Was this game LODGE vs SPARTAN played in Queen’s Park or In St John

    I would like the Dribbler to contradict me as he likes to illogically and unwisely do, and tell me what was the next parish from which Hall ran in to bowl at Queen’s Park or In St John

    That lie impressed the dribbling betzpaenic….. but I wandered to myself when I read his post………dont he recognize that the man was telling lies, and could only impress those here who did not know the truth?

    BALANCE MAN TRUTH ACCURACY AND BALANCE

    SEE WHY I LIKE HAVING FUN IN THE RUM SHOP?

  34. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    “When I first laid eyes on Wes Hall he was in the next parish. As I scratched my guard the bowler in the far distance at the end of a run that would become as identifiable as any in the game was the latest West Indies tearaway.”

    http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/387266.html

  35. John Avatar
    John

    Pachamama May 13, 2016 at 7:10 AM #

    What is this thing about calling all of these people ‘legend’. Seems that this and other words denoting superhuman feats are bandied about with increased regularity.

    During the last 20/20 tournament we heard Carlos Brathwaite calling some New Zealand or English opening batsman a ‘legend’.

    Seems to us that for Bajans there are all ‘legends’ and no ‘indians’
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Wasn’t it Ben Stokes, the English bowler he had just hit for four sixes and snatched a victory that to all intents and purposes belonged to England out of the jaws of certain defeat?

    Whoever it was, it was his opponent without whom he could not have excelled.

    I thought to myself WOW, unbelievable

    ….. a Bajan able to pay tribute to a worthy opponent …. and from of all places, England!!!

    ….. a Bajan who can actually be comfortable in his own success without pulling down somebody else ….

    …. a Bajan ….. perhaps not unlike the great Sir Garry who can play the game in a glorious fashion and still have the magnanimity to uplift his defeated opponent!!!!

    … and he even threw in a compliment for Chris Jordan who bowled the penultimate over and set the scene for the fireworks of the last

    …. and even mentioned the English team in glowing terms for the fight they had given the West Indies

    My God …. does Barbados still produce people like this?

    Even when Australia beat the shit out of the West Indies in 1975 I never heard Tony Cozier bitch or whine or pull down anyone for cheating.

    Big able Michael Holding broke down crying then went to New Zealand and kicked down stumps in a fit of pique ….

    You should go to cricinfo and listen to what he has to say about Tony Cozier.

    In his eyes, Tony Cozier was a legend ….. so who exactly is you?

  36. chad99999 Avatar
    chad99999

    It is time for people in the Caribbean to outgrow the hypersensitivity to perceived racial slights and insults. So what if Tony Cozier considered himself better than others? Every individual is free to construct a view of himself as superior. And if you achieve fame, money or power, you can act on those beliefs.
    Among Africans, tribalism is pervasive, and large numbers of individuals in each tribe selfishly prefer members of their own tribe, and distrust, oppress, often behave maliciously towards, individuals of other tribes. So that is how we would have lived our own lives, if it were not for the cultural disruptions of slavery.

  37. Gabriel Avatar
    Gabriel

    Barbados dominated cricket in the region in my younger days.A colony game was a battle of the giants and Barbados always seem to rule the roost.We were treated to a broadcast from ZNX 32,a local broadcast on the medium wave band by C&W.I recall the name TG Mckinstry and others whose names I cannot now recall.
    Besides beating almost everybody in the region,Barbados supplied a barrage of batsmen and bowlers to the West Indies and Tony Cozier was just as prominent in the lineup in cricket as was the famous 3W’s.They all contributed to the love and respect for Barbados which all cricketing nations have for Bim.The tradition continues with the miracle that was Carlos Brathwaite 4 successive 6’s on Sunday April 3rd at Kolkata.
    These greats will always have a special place in our hearts.They did us all proud and we are grateful for the memory,for their life and for their witness.Teach the children to participate in music,in games and sports and they should become disciplined citizens.No money is wasted in these endeavours.

  38. Exclaimer Avatar
    Exclaimer

    @ Pachamama,

    Welcome back to BU.

    I have just reread your post entitled “The Black Caps Versus the Black Lackeys” and found it to be a riveting read. If Tony Cozier can be described as a legend then you, Sir, deserve to be called a prophet.

    https://barbadosunderground.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/the-black-cats-verses-the-black-lackeys/comment-page-1/#comments

  39. Vincent Haynes Avatar
    Vincent Haynes

    Chuckle………..an apt topic to continue this discussion on pigmentation a la Bim,all the players are here so let the cathartic bile flow and the world will be a better place.

  40. John Avatar
    John

    Foolish little boy Michael Holding puts Tony Cozier on a par with Sir Garry!!!!

    Stupid fellow!!

    Never listened to these geniuses here on BU.

  41. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    David if you edit this post I would completely understand. I really do not want to besmirch this particular blog but I do need to counter nonsense. Your blogger Dr GP is a sanctimonious, disrespectful person. He laid waste to international commentator Morrison with stupid unnecessary vitriol simply because he could. That is what irked me about his piece. And then led me into the race dispute.

    And I never suggested anyone edit Pacha’s remarks but I certainly suggested (with the example of my cricinfo post) that an editor can edit follow-on comments to keep things on track. This is not about sanitizing anything or denying the truth.

    I believe any JA of woman born before circa 1965 in Bim knows and understands the ‘apartheid’ dynamics of Barbados at Wanderers, Pickwick, Lodge Presentation College, in stores and, even as I came into adulthood, at BS&T.

    Actually there were two other posts (when this took place this morn) that my editor’s scalpel might have been gently used to remove a few words with explanation to ease away from the thrash talk/race debate. But that’s why you are the editor and not me!

    Let me be clear, the world is made up of all different types dullards, sociopaths, brianiacs … I respect the man’s scholarship but academic brilliance or professional achievement does NOT and has NEVER made a man or woman deserving of life’s respect; especially when they are so absolutely hypocritical and exceedingly and unnecessarily vitriolic.

    This blogger can cuss me as much as he wants. This is about his hypocrisy and dis-ingenuousness. About a religious champion who is yet so caustic – so ad hominem – because someone has a different opinion.

    This man has been successful. Why this nasty angst. Is his brother’s problem “I KNOW WHAT THE LODGE SCHOOL DID TO MY BROTHER!” still some painful slight? Or does that just validate his bona fides as having personally ‘suffered’ more racial discrimination?

    But of course he had a PERSONAL issue with Cozier as “I can honestly say that TC exhibited racism towards me personally”. Disparaging the man on one tale? Considering this blogger’s disposition and his own avowed attitude towards anyone not in his academic league who knows what the incident entailed?

    Why would a man who has interfaced well (so all have said) with so many other Black folks be called out by him as racist?

    In sum David and blog all, so accomplished and yet so repeatedly nasty in simple discourse.
    What deep seated problem must he so stupidly manifest? Who needs that?

    I have no interest in stupid mano-a-mano palaver with this man but I certainly will not back down from his inane verbal bullying either. A-frigging-mazing that a bright, talented Bajan could act as such continually.

    But then we see this EVERY DAY in our political life and society so he is really no different.

  42. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    lol how I love the rum shop

    1 It is my opinion that Danny Morrison is piss poor as a cricket commentator. I am entitled to that opinion. He is certainly not in the class of several in his own country, or the several I have listened to in my lifetime.

    2 “I KNOW WHAT THE LODGE SCHOOL DID TO MY BROTHER” and others refers to my observation that my brother’s behaviour was coloured by his experience at Lodge. I have observed this in others who came before me.
    There was no pain to me. I went to Kolij!

    3 “I can honestly say that TC exhibited racism towards me personally” THAT IS A FACT.
    If the dribbler could read or understand English, he would observe that I have not at all disparage Tony Cozier but I have spoken in glowing terms of the man and his work on this blog DESPITE THAT INCIDENT.
    4 re Why would a man who has interfaced well (so all have said) with so many other Black folks be called out by him as racist? BECAUSE I CAN AND BECAUSE IT UPSETS YOU WHEN I DO SO

    I have said what I have said, and written what I have written, and I GET GREAT PLEASURE IN SEEING THE IRE IT RAISES IN you THE BETZPAENIC ONE
    The rum shop too sweet.
    Let me stop before I fall from my chair and hurt my back

  43. de pedantic Dribbler Avatar
    de pedantic Dribbler

    Mr Bush Tea your May 13, 10:10 AM remarks are difficult to reconcile. How the term legend or ‘a famous or important person who is known for doing something extremely well’ as Webster defines it not applicable to Tony Cozier?

    Our education system should be credited that such a person can be mentioned as a top performer as compared to any top international contemporary or in fact have him labeled as superior to them.

    What makes a Mandela or Obama more legendary than a Sir Hugh Springer other than the world-wide reach of their displayed excellence.

    Cozier’s superior standard of work over the years marks him unquestionably as an ‘important person who is known for doing something extremely well’ in journalism circles. He delivered a well-produced West Indian Cricket Annual magazine for over 20 years at a time when it seemed impossible to sustain in our impoverished locales. He traveled across the world and excelled against the international folks word for word.

    Let’s us accept that his skin colour made his tasks considerably easier. And let us also accept that he still had to work hard to gain the trust of a cadre of Black men ‘fighting’ against basically a White establishment and never over all these years have we heard any whispers that he was not too be trusted or played the race game to their detriment.

    I can readily accept your comment on the levels of mediocrity but if not him then who or what defines the word legend in

  44. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    re John May 13, 2016 at 4:39 PM #

    Foolish little boy Michael Holding puts Tony Cozier on a par with Sir Garry!!!!

    John I dont think Holding is putting Cozier on a par with Sir Garry as a cricketer.
    He was using a SIMILE as he compared the eexploits of both men.
    IN THE SAME WAY THAT SOBERS ATTAINED THE HIGHEST HEIGHTS AS A CRICKET PLAYER–BEING THE GREATEST ALL ROUNDER, IN THE SAME WAY OR IN LIKE MANNER DID COZIER PERFORM AS AN ALL ROUNDER IN BROADCASTING IN BOTH RADIO AND ALSO IN TELEVISION.
    APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT SO EASY. MANY CRICKT COMMENTATORS SAY THAT COZIER DID IT SEAMLESLY, JUST AS SOBERS BOWLED BATTED AND FIELDED ANYWHERE AND ESPECIALLY IN THE PICK POCKET POSITION

    HOLDING IS SAYING JUST AS SOBERS WAS SUPREME IN WHAT HE DID SO WAS COZIER

  45. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Re de pedantic Dribbler May 13, 2016 at 5:23 PM #
    Mr Bush Tea your May 13, 10:10 AM remarks are difficult to reconcile

    Now Mr BETZPAENIC STARTING PUN BUSHTEA

    How is it possible for Mr BETZPAENIC to reconcile anything Bushtea says.

    Bush Tea cannot be refuted when he opines thus
    “it is because we accept mediocrity as a standard ..so that when someone of class like TC comes along, we jump to superlatives….”

    THIS STATEMENT IS A TRUE AND SIGNIFICANT AS THE PROTE EVANGELIUM
    Bush Tea DID NOT say that Cozier did not have class.

    DID THEY TEACH ENGLISH COMPREHENSION AT THE SCHOOL THIS FELLA ATTENDED? ……..and where he became a Prefect and on the Council for scrubbing the floors or similar mundane thing

  46. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush

    It was not an admonition, the comment was meant to convey that it is difficult for our people to value our icons because of our small size therefore leading to insularity.

  47. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    For us there are less than a dozen subjects which 90% of all issues in our world are concerned with, at a basis level. These include race, class, gender, politics, resources and religion.

    The idiots who try to understand any issue without answering the question asked by an early Western philosopher, what is it in itself, will always be a minion.

    Today, after more than 15 years of progressive government in Brazil a duly elected president was deposed, supposedly temporarily, and a White Brazilian man and a one hundred percent White and male cabinet assumed power. And this is how DW has characterized what happened, not us. Is this and everything else around us not relate to the question asked.

    If a female rabbit like JOHN MAY pretends not to understand the relevance of race and racism, or continues to assume that if we do not talk about race/racism somehow white people would give a house nigger a pass, or seeks to make white people comfortable by being an jackass, we say that that is in itself racism.

    We are in good company, the UN, less than 15 years ago made a legal report which charged that Barbados was a crypto-racist society. JOHN MAY should tell the UN that they are racist, you fucking idiot!

  48. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Education for Bird brain about RACISM AT LODGE SCHOOL
    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/42996/black-history-sam-headley
    http://www.nationnews.com/nationnews/news/62340/major-sam-headley-scholarship-launched
    http://angelacole.caribusiness.com/Home/about–angela-cole/the-paris-airshow/overpaid-bajans/Home/hot-topics/whiteracisminbarbadospartiii%E2%80%93interviewwithsamheadley

  49. John Avatar
    John

    Georgie Porgie May 13, 2016 at 5:25 PM #

    re John May 13, 2016 at 4:39 PM #

    Foolish little boy Michael Holding puts Tony Cozier on a par with Sir Garry!!!!

    John I dont think Holding is putting Cozier on a par with Sir Garry as a cricketer.
    He was using a SIMILE as he compared the eexploits of both men.
    IN THE SAME WAY THAT SOBERS ATTAINED THE HIGHEST HEIGHTS AS A CRICKET PLAYER–BEING THE GREATEST ALL ROUNDER, IN THE SAME WAY OR IN LIKE MANNER DID COZIER PERFORM AS AN ALL ROUNDER IN BROADCASTING IN BOTH RADIO AND ALSO IN TELEVISION.
    APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT SO EASY. MANY CRICKT COMMENTATORS SAY THAT COZIER DID IT SEAMLESLY, JUST AS SOBERS BOWLED BATTED AND FIELDED ANYWHERE AND ESPECIALLY IN THE PICK POCKET POSITION

    HOLDING IS SAYING JUST AS SOBERS WAS SUPREME IN WHAT HE DID SO WAS COZIER

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Of course I agree, Tony Cozier’s exploits were off the cricket field, Sir Garry’s were on the field.

    Just as Sobers was a legend on the field, so to was Tony Cozier a legend, off the field … at least in Michael Holding’s eyes as far a s I understand!!!!

    It would be equally ridiculous to claim Sir Garry was supreme at commentating.

  50. John Avatar
    John

    There is only one race so it is impossible to be racist.

    If however you believe there are two or more then you have the basic qualification to be a racist.

    I don’t!!

    Human Beings of different colours have been producing viable fertile offspring from the year dot.

    Sorry GP, I got to go against you on your use of terminology.

    Perhaps you can demonstrate the existence of other races based on colour.

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