The Jeff Cumberbatch Column – “A Dog’s Breakfast”
As a vivid figure of speech meaning something so fouled up as to be utterly useless, “dog’s breakfast” can cover anything from a play plagued by collapsing scenery to a space mission ruined by a mathematical error –Urban Dictionary
I am not among those theorists who imagine that the institution of government is inherently not to be trusted; that it is singularly devoted to the interests of its campaign financiers only; guided in its policies by some unknown shadows; and that its every initiative is to be viewed with suspicion.
Nor, equally, am I to be numbered among those who believe that governments have been placed there by divine right and that whatever they might conceive is therefore well done, pour le mieux, and should not, therefore, abide our question.
After all, any administration comprises but mere mortals with all their failings, inherent susceptibility to error and a natural liability to moments of insufficient or inadequate cerebration. It is for that reason that the apparent hostility between some members of the current governing administration and some members of the public with regard to the implementation of the collection of biometric data in the form of fingerprints of locals at the island’s ports of entry is to be regretted.
It is, of course, not my brief to advise this administration as to what should be its best approach to executing designed policy. However, I am of the considered view that in much the same way that shoddy implementation of the necessary decision to have Barbadian students at the Cave Hill Campus of UWI contribute to the cost of their tuition resulted in a substantial decline in student numbers and a loss of civic goodwill; the failures to state publicly and seasonably the rationale for the current disputed measure and to seek competent legal advice on the constitutional validity of its provisions have similarly served to ensure a degree of popular antipathy towards the government and to create a concomitant level of distrust among the citizenry. Unnecessarily so, I might add.
The truth is that there has been, at least since the start of the current decade, a global realization that the traditional methods of identification of persons –by photographs and numbers- had become obsolete; incapable of preventing identity theft; susceptible to other fraudulent abuses, and generally inadequate for their intended purpose. In an age of terrorist threat moreover, the then existing methods of identifying individuals had clearly become unsustainable.
In consequence, many jurisdictions sought to modernize their national ID databases from the simple photograph or number to include biometric identifiers, such as fingerprints, iris recognition, voice, gait and even DNA, which would authenticate individual identity and assist in border security.
And even though I have not yet heard it stated, it would appear as if Barbados is set to follow this global trend, at least in respect of the individual passport -if I am to judge from the provisions of the Immigration (Biometrics) Regulations 2015 where, according to regulation 6, any application for a passport, or for certain other stipulated registrations and permissions connected with residence in Barbados, must be accompanied by biometric data, as defined in that law, to be supplied to an immigration officer. Clearly then, the official intention seems to be to create a database of such information so as to ensure the authenticity of the relevant document.
Further, since there might have been some constitutional unpleasantry, as well as a logistical nightmare, in nullifying all the existing documents and having everyone apply for a new passport, as I have heard it suggested, it seems that officialdom took the ostensibly simplest way out, so far as its citizens are concerned, of attempting to create the database not only through new applications for the travel document itself, but also through the fingerprinting of those who use already issued ones at local ports. It is naturally to be expected therefore that there may be a similar future enterprise in respect of the national identification card.
Alarmingly and alas, none of this, to my best knowledge, was conveyed to the ordinary citizen, in circumstances where the element of biometric data required is primarily the one used by the police in criminal investigations and that may provide near conclusive evidence of culpability in a trial; in a country where there is an innate mistrust of any innovation; where, abnormally, citizens are to be required to provide their fingerprints in their own country on all travel occasions; and where, arguably, the governing administration is not, currently, at the height of popularity. In my view, the absence of prior communication in these contexts was a toxic potion for political disaster.
The direness of the situation has not been assisted either by a variety of other snafus. For one, my learned friend, Mr David Commissiong, claims to have discovered some procedural impropriety in the creation of the legislation itself and, accordingly, has launched a court action to nullify the Regulations entirely; for another, there is some further dispute as to whether it is constitutionally legitimate to prohibit nationals from re-entering Barbados, as appears to be the provision in Reg. 3 (5) –a situation that might have been avoided by simply stipulating for a summary offence and penalty for those citizens who refuse to submit to fingerprinting on their return to the country-; and the belligerent “robber-talk” and “grand-charge” by some highly-placed individuals who are sympathetic to the partisan political interests of the governing administration.
Of course, this will merely cause the issue to degenerate further into a “political dogfight” of abusion among the various supporters of the respective parties, rather than becoming the rational, informed conversation that we should be having on serious issues of contemporary national and individual security.
In a not strictly related decision of the European Court of Justice in October 2013, in a case brought by a German resident Michael Schwarz, who had applied for a passport, but refused to have his fingerprints taken, the Court ruled that although the taking and storing of fingerprints for passports under the German statute infringed the privacy and personal data rights of individuals guaranteed in the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights, it was, nevertheless, in line with European law, since it ensured protection against the fraudulent use of passports and outweighed personal privacy concerns about mandatory fingerprinting. The issue here does not touch or concern these issues, principally because neither right traversed is protected, adequately or at all, under local law and that the right implicated locally is that of freedom of movement.
It may not be too late for the governing administration to correct these deficiencies. It will require, however, a sea change in its mode of governance thus far…so we shall see. As it currently stands, a “dog’s breakfast” has unfortunately been made so far of a perfectly reasonable, though clearly opposable, objective.
Enjoy a peaceful Easter holiday.
Barbados Underground 
Fantasic article Jeff.
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“I am not among those theorists who imagine that the institution of government is inherently not to be trusted; that it is singularly devoted to the interests of its campaign financiers only; guided in its policies by some unknown shadows; and that its every initiative is to be viewed with suspicion.”
Yeah right; we believe you Jeff!
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Jeff thanks for the supposed reasoning behind the finger printing of returning nationals but I don’t blame anyone for objecting to being fingerprinted on their return home. That is indeed a bone headed approach (which reminds me of the old Bajan saying “Head aint Brains) and anyone who understands human behavior would immediate know “Houston we have a problem” when it was discussed around the Cabinet table (that’s assuming there was a discussion). I don’t much about anything but I believe that the requirement for biometric data had a time requirement as per International Agreement but Gov’t as usual dragged its feet and now faced with an approaching deadline a decision was made to kill two birds with one stone which the public views as a scattergun approach and understandably the whole flock is now riled up. (Full disclosure I recently travelled to the USA and was subjected to finger printing and eye scan etc. prior to entry but not on my return)
Transparency! Transparency! Transparency! In the first go around David Thompson campaigned on a platform of Transparency, subsequent to his passing and perhaps prior opaque became the new prism through which Gov’t. communicates. It hasn’t helped that when Gov’t communicates it seems to be lecturing at best or patronizing when its spokesmen are challenged.
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The last 10 minutes of the prime minister’s Estimates presentation explains the problem as he sees it.
http://www.barbadosparliament.com/video/view/365
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The US had that eye scan going in penal institutions since 2004 or before, so it goes to reason that communique was sent out to governments prior to that and could have been as far back as just after 9/11….both governments sat on their asses and did nothing but now want to hurriedly ram anything down the throats of the people who have to elect them…..without an explanation.
And they fully expect people to accept and comply….without demanding an explanation.
Here is where the people have to stop being sheep and stand up to let these politicians know that they are employees and are mandated to give the people who are their bosses, a satisfactory explanation….re fingerprinting citizens in and out of the island.
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This current administration seems to be singularly devoted to the interest of its campaign financiers, if not the institution of government.
Taking fingerprints at the ports of entry was mandated by the US Government, and like little compliant souls, our Government rushed at all deliberate speed to carry out its orders without reference to the people that it governs. Even if fingerprinting is necessary, Government should not be so arrogant. They apparently believe that they can treat the people of this country in any fashion and that we must accept whatever they do. (The Prime Minister’s statement suggested such).
If the reason is national security why exempt some adults who carry diplomatic passports? Can’t those passports be forged?
The change in the ID cards have already been decided upon but not for any such noble consideration as national security. It would appear that a lone female opposes having her date of birth on the ID card and came up with a plan to deceive the idiots in government that the national registration number ought to be changed. Her reason is that the number is not unique and that eventually it will be reused. What the Government wasn’t told is that the number will come around again in 2,500 years.
The Electoral Office has already gone ahead and purchased new cameras but they have proven to be duds. Somehow they can’t seem to get the skin colour of caucasians correct.
Government has already laid the bill in the House that will effect that change which will see all ID cards having to be reissued. The project is on hold until after the next General Elections.
I also understand that the project would be outsourced to some suitably qualified Dem.
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@Caswell
Why cant the government expand the National ID project to include fingerprints and use that database to validate Bajans entering Barbados among other requirements.
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@Sargeant wrote, “I recently travelled to the USA and was subjected to finger printing and eye scan etc. prior to entry.”
Did you travel from Canada ? Were you using a Canadian passport ?
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David
That did not occur to them. All they were seeing when the silly proposal came to them was the potential for one of their supporters to make some and kickback a piece.
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Caswell….just out of curiosity, what color does the ‘white’ skin come out…lol
I dont know if you will be shocked to know, but government can issue a diplomatic passport to anyone. Errol Barrow had issued one to his barber and traveling companion Bop Clarke, I think he is still alive……my point being, no one, including diplomats should be exempt from fingerprinting.
The new document needed for visa exempt countries prior to traveling to Canada, I dont think diplomats are exempt. I dont know why they exempted US citizens, when they too are risky….but…
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Jeff your comments re the compilation of a database registry to validate the Bdos travel document is clear. It is in concert with the remarks made here on the technical side of the matter from @Pieces and certainly reinforces the position that in this era of heightened security a biometric verification is mandatory.
But on the legal side I note your back handed condemnation with the GoB’s inability “to seek competent legal advice on the constitutional validity of its provisions’. Surely its amazing that the same GoB which shows nous to tap your competent legal talent can be so delinquent in such a matter.
You also mentioned that its a matter of ‘freedom’ in the Bdos context as there are no proscriptions for “the taking and storing of fingerprints for passports”.
But according to our freedoms it seems the gov’t is effectively evoking similar mandates as in the German case to overcome the Constitutional dictates so this too would be overridden at the law courts if I understand your remarks correctly!
@Sargeant… the gov’r determination to f’print on entry and exit for every trip can be considered very practical. I am unaware of a way to validate that the owner of the passport and person presenting it are indeed one and the same unless a biometric or some high tech option like facial recog is taken.
The question of course then becomes ‘is detailed verification necessary for Bajan citizens on reentry’. The security experts in GoB are the only ones who can really answer and convince us of that.
The US and other larger developed countries utilize multiple identification measures like facial recognition and more so they can easily decide not to take a f’print at each reentry. They are being no less intrusive than Bdos is in real terms…just much less visible so.
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@Caswell
A lighting problem? Seems unlikely it is the equipment.
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Perhaps the following information may be of some interest to BU.
https://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/general/border-biometrics.html
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My Canadian passport says “place of birth, Bridgetown, Barbados.
Will I be fingerprinted if I travel to Barbados ?
I have no problem being fingerprinted, face scanned and even giving my dna. However I understand why others would object to an intrusion on their privacy.
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@David of course even if “government expand the National ID project to include fingerprints and use that database to validate Bajans entering Barbados among other requirements” Bajans would still need to get their fprint captured at port, of course.
However, you are too savvy not to know that the Electoral and Immigration Depts. are not linked re Estimate Budgets and thus neither of their PSs would want to combine those processes and give up the control, money or power.
This is an issue that has been the same for years where in practical circumstances like this authorities have refused to move forward as a cohesive unit.
The cost and platform to produce the new driver’s license card for example when it was introduced to replace our old DL book could have been scaled just a bit more with lower variable incremental cost for more cameras/printers than anything that would be done now to implement a completely new Nat ID card. The concept and basic back-end production process for any modern secure doc like a Nat ID or DL is basically the same.
Obviously the security features of the doc itself changes but planning for that is easily handled.
That said in this very security conscious era the other strong argument would be that you want to maintain as much separation between your processes as is humanely possible…more opportunity to maintain security and avoid being compromised.
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@Dee Word
Yes fingerprinting would become a way of validating certain transactions optional or not. Some Barbadians are making noise about invasion of privacy but individuals are baing tracked or can be tracked by the use of cellular phones, use of credit and debit cards etc.
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Let me clarify my statements:
—- 1 “The concept and basic back-end production process for any modern secure doc like a Nat ID or DL is basically the same.”
I should add for a small jurisdiction like Barbados. Although the broad statement is true it would be impractical to expect that the US for example would not have much more extensive back-end processing/data collection than for example the state of Florida for their DL document.
And — 2 “.. the Electoral and Immigration Depts. are not linked re Estimate Budgets”.
I was going from memory and then realized that I am indeed not sure if those departments are indeed under different Ministry heads as the DL and Electoral are for example.
Many here can validate that in a sec. The man point remains however as I have seen it myself too many times doing business with GoB.
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Immigration and Electoral departments fall under the Prime Minister’s head o they not?
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you fellas can rant and rave about this
but back behind this is preparation for executing the mark of the beast-666- in the imminent “tribulation period”
very interesting to eschatologists
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Actually David I think they both do…as I suggested above I caught myself after hitting ‘post’. In previous years the PM usually handled Electoral and aspects of Nat Security like Immigration…but things gets changed. Surely Caswell has it at his fingertips.
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@Hants
I have no problem being fingerprinted, face scanned and even giving my dna
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That is prescient, DNA may be in the not so distant future.
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Anyhow your original point re one system for both remains strong..very strong. The technical, management and production issues are straight forward.
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Some time ago Walter posted a comment about our inability to intelligently trap data in the many disparate government databases. We need sensible thinking by our leaders to inform national strategy. Our inability to leverage the expanse of data by designing a relevant architecture belies our investment in education.
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“WITHOUT LET OR HINDRANCE” has been dead for some time.
The dominance of World Affairs by the GLOBAL MAFIA (which controls Religion, Finance Law, Politics, Education, the Military and Entertainment) has passed the Point of No “Reasonable” return. Legal pontifications and ramblings from academia will not solve the gravity of this problem, simply because such pontifications and ramblings will be and has been “out-thinked” and “out-argued” and brought to heel by “smarter” duplicitous minds.
This global mafia does not plan like your average citizen nor government. This mafia plans 50-100 years ahead of us and these plans are brought into action via the Hegelian Dialetic.
B’dos is enacting Biometrics only proves that there’s nothing new under the sun on that island. B’dos has always been a peon state and will continue to be a vassal as long as the “dominant” (buffer) class continues to see itself as an illusionary card-carrying member of the powers that ought not to be class.
Terrorism was not brought to you by your average joe-blow. Terrorism is a well-orchestrated tool/weapon which has been nurtured until the appropriate time, and implemented by this Mafia. This is the same mafia which brought you the Cold War and all the other isms of fear and control.
Since we the people are not taught how to live in harmony with universal law we are forced (with the exception of a few) to EXIST under the jackboots of man-made law which is always subject to the whims and deceit of this global mafia and forced upon the people via the UN or the threat of economic subjugation.
Short of the Intervention of some Cosmic Force the only force powerful enough that can stop this monstrosity is the Worldwide collective Anarchy of all Nations.
We the People live under the illusion of Freedom.
@ GP…..666 is the number of man i.e the chemical make up of man.
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@Hants
Yes, this was at Pearson with a Canadian Passport.
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I suggested one day at the registration of births section of the Supreme Court that they link their systems to the registration department that issues ID cards to confirm the identification of a student or anyone in the same situation, who was then in university in Canada and needed an original birth certificate from her birthplace in Barbados, she was unable to produce her ID card, as they asked, because it was in her possession…in Canada.
After getting some strange looks and a resounding “we cahn do dat”….par for the course and a lot of delays and unnecessary rigmarole…the student’s mother was able to get the birth cert.
They need to link those systems, the island is small and it would be a cakewalk…not to mention eliminating many of the present nightmares associated with dealing with those government offices for the most simple matters.
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In the above I should have made it clear that when we travel from Canada to the US through certain Airports we clear US Customs and Immigration at point of embarkation so I was clearing US Customs and Immigration at that point. When we arrive at our destination we just collect our bags and go.
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@Sargeant at 11:13 AM, and of course that is exactly the point of a Bdos fprint system as it relates to the discourse here of being strongly US mandated/supported or whatever.
I know that process was exactly the case when leaving Lynden Pindling, The Bahamas for US and I presume it continues still or an automated variation.
The only difference with the Bdos situation would be that there would be no US personnel or kioks on island completing the process …it would just be data being processed across the seas before one arrives…ensuring therefore that a comprehensive check can be completed for any suspicious characters.
…. as Mr Weekes’ travel program offered and certainly as currently done in other ways now!
@Hopi…excellent anarchist statement above. After the ‘Worldwide collective Anarchy of all Nations’ takes over what would be the strategy and who then would plan that strategy?
Do you guys have a handle on the terror attacks or is there a plan for just one endless campaign of death and destruction akin to that film Time Killers or whatever it was called: every day you leave home you are forced to literally fight for your life to gain more time to live.
How would your Anarchy of all Nations manage life? Is there a manifesto available…sounds like something I may be keen on!
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@DePD….. To think about a strategy after global anarchy is putting the ‘horse after the cart.’ There are already Anarchists with plans in motion and some are not even anarchists just Governments that are of the people, by the people and for the people. Does Ordo Ab Chao ring a bell? Just give the Global Mafia a taste of its own medicine.
Zbigniew Brzezinski said that today its easier to kill a million people than it is to control them…meaning that they are losing control because populace is becoming aware of their sinister plans.
Global Anarchists do not have a handle on the terror attacks because its not the Anarchists carrying out such attacks. What the Globalist Anarchists have a handle on is the origin of the anarchy. These attacks are carried by the Alphabet Agencies of the world, the Mossad, Black water and other mercenaries who work for Empire.
Nations will manage quite fine because they are many who are awake and that manifesto you may be keen on is your CONSCIENCE…..let that be your guide.
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On a lighter note, New Yorkers will have fun with this anarchist, until someone gets real serious.
http://ow.ly/ZYCqt
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If people are getting upset at Gov’ts accessing their biometric info prepare for the next step- Private Corporations principally Financial Institutions requesting more data to protect them (and you :-)) from fraud. In an era of increasing losses amounting to millions annually from Identity theft, Debit and Credit Card fraud Banks are looking for options to enable them to be certain that the individual presenting a Debit Card at a cash dispenser or presenting a Credit Card as payment for goods and services is the actual owner of the Card.
Some European Banks have already embarked on the use of “finger scans” and Barclays Bank plan to introduce same in the near future. Mobile Banking is also on the rise and consumers want access to information quickly so what is easier than placing a fingerprint on a screen or hold up your mobile device so it can take an eye scan. Generally, when it comes to technology advances European Banks are ahead of those in North America in implementing change as the North American Banks generally develop a “wait and see” attitude before taking the leap.
When your local Branch of the Bank with HQ in TO informs you that it requires more than a PIN number for you to access your funds, I suspect that most will acquiesce as very few will decide to put their money under the bed.
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The issue here is very simple.
Immigration and the ID Department while under the same ministry have different heads of department and also have a different budget allocation which while is a duplication of effort, and which has not been “harmonized” may or may not lend itself to what others her call “the gravy train” where friends and friends of friends benefit from the ever repeating cycle of largesse.
The InterAmerican administered a Japan Fund which if i rightly really permits for the allocation of a skilled ICT consultant who, given that Japan is on the cutting edge of hardware/software and informatics in general, would provide the GoB of barbados the superlative skills to synchronize all of our software and hardware purchases for the next 25 years.
The United Nations resident at UN House which would not have opened nor I am made to understand, hosted the then Secretary General Kofi Annan were it not for specific representations that I made, has a specific program that they administer for UNVies United nations Volunteers where such expertise can be had for nothing “relatively speaking”
But then again tapping into those two sources would do a couple things (i) make someone in the Ministry of Economic Affairs and another person in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and counterparts sitting on their donkeys in Diplomatic Offices have to work (ii) possibly solve this problem of non compatible expensive solutions yet in retrospect in addition to it being a suggestions coming from David Weekes, that would possibly stop “the gravy train run” so let the Purina Dog Chow chant continue
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@David Weekes at 3:52 AM, but wait, didn’t it take a few planes and 3,000+ lives before the big US of A started to break down their Purina Chow feed stations! … Over there in Belgium right now they are in serious ‘let’s fix this now’ mode…as if they did not know where and how the Purina was flowing unabated.
We are in the same pickle…or should that be chow…so as much as you may see this as a personal affront it is everything but that for all practical purposes.
I do pray to God that we do not get a wake-up call like any of the above….
…. but if our cousins in T&T who had their 7-90 at a time when we associated 9-11 sorta numbers with radio stations and they STILL basically playing lots of games (from what I can see at tis distance) with their alleged returning Syrian/ISIS combatants why do you expect the Purina to stop here in our state of ignorant bliss with our middle-class comfort and ‘wealth’!
@Hopi, thanks for the response. Again well stated. Instructive that you would use a quote from Zbigniew Brzezinski — considered by several as one of the great thinkers/doers of the US Intelligence and Security apparatus in his heyday and surely not an acolyte of anarchy– to make your point.
Most definitely, you are right that “to think about a strategy after global anarchy is putting the ‘horse after the cart’ “. But isn’t that the entire ethos and construct of anarchy !
And why would’t anarchists “not have a handle on the terror attacks”. This expedites your “Ordo Ab Chao”.
They say, ‘don’t play with fire…’ and intended to add, ‘… or thoughts of anarchy. You will get burnt’.
My conscience is clear. Continue to be smart.
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Stomach was growling it is empty, like fridge. so I got up to eat some Sodabix.
(Just stating fact, not seeking pity, just stating fact, for my succour and food comes from GOD he will provide, always does)
So I am over the sink eating the Sodabix and drinking water, like Phillip Nicholls speaks to have experienced in his “More Binding than Marriage”
Lots here do not believe in GOD but I do absolutely and totally. But enough of that tangent.
So I am looking at the biscuits, and drinking water because sodabix will choke you when you have to eat a pack to quash your hunger,
But back to the story,
That is how 70% of my patents come, in looking at something, “stopping and staring”
Stopped and stared at the tree during torential rains and saw that under the tree was relatively dry while all around it was drenched “the Tsunami Damper” was born.
Stopped and stared at the blocks in a rock garden wall that was stained red due to leakage of mud and looked odd against the other rocks and the “shallow draft” Land slippage blanket was born, stopped while cutting onions at the sink while ostensibly doing breakfast and the Pandora Case and Brace was born.
The others come in waking dreams.
DO NOT ASK ME ANYTHING,
THE LOGICAL IN ME FIGHTS WHAT I “SEE” because it does not follow any logic, It comes from no where that I know, ergo I must.believe in GOD
So I am looking at the Sodabix and my mind rushes to the Bergen-Belsen Concentration camp and Bovril.
I know that lots of you do not know what Bovril is, it brief it is the concentrate that saved the interns at that camp when they could eat any food google them yourselves.
So I am looking at the sodabix wrapper and reading its contents, specifically nutritional content and preservatives, and in that moment of extrapolation, fueled by hunger, I wondered if the General Manager of Wibisco Adrian Padmore, or any of its illustrious GMs since 1850, had, given that it was established some twenty years before Bovril came on the scene, thought of going to Caribbean Export (another waste of time entity) and seeking a DAGS grant to research how they could constitute a derivative of the product that would be best suited for places of extreme poverty and famine, or where the overflow of refugees are to create a products that meets the real needs of the world, instead of pretty wrappers,
They could even approach Grace Products for a collaboration if they found that Caribbean Export was full of talk and liable to appropriate your product as some seem to suggest in that blog here.
But again my good friend St George;s Dragon would probably say that there is nothing innovative about this idea and that it should be placed in File 13 with all the other David Weekes suggestion.
“Vision” is not something that can be stolen, or highjacked, and much like putting lipstick on a pig, will not make it into a lady, so too we need to understand that voting for incompetents and nitwits will not transform these men and women into brainiacs overnight.
Anyway I am hungry again and the fridge has no more biscuits..
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@ De Pedantic Dribbler.
You could imagine what patenting a concentrated Food Supplement “Sodabix Barbadians” could mean to Forex and more importantly, to Famine?
But Weekes is who suggest dat, so, “kill et before it grow”
As to your other point about the Brussels conundrum.
Google what that Lady who retired from the Supreme Court recently suggested.
The answer to most of these issues is to stop enforcing parallel cultures and isolating your immigrants while doing lip service to this sound-bite “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”
Because as is evident in Paris, Brussels etc and the many places WHERE IT WILL HAPPEN THIS YEAR, such lip service is not working.
None of you is safe from we who are hungry.
Now don;t get me wrong per the first person plural. with regard to any jihadists leanings,
Let me orient you to this in a practical way,
Do not eat any food for about 3 days, ONLY drink water, no sugar, and sometimes when you crave the water go without it.
After a while you start to get cranky, and irrespective of how long you want to sleep to keep down the calorific expenditure, when you wake up, you are going to have a burning hunger.
Imagine being subjected to that for weeks at a time, imagine if you can having some mouths to feed and watching them waste away in front of you, imagine how much of a man/woman and mother/father that makes you DPD.
Tell me then why this waste of national resources does not make you rankle when both parties, once appointed, continue to do the same thing under their respective Pathways to Progress”
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The polticians in Barbados are less valuable to their people than human bodily waste…they make it a point to be thus, once elected..
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“Sargeant March 27, 2016 at 10:33 AM #
@Hants
I have no problem being fingerprinted, face scanned and even giving my dna
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That is prescient, DNA may be in the not so distant future.”
I believe that freedom is the epitome of life- I cannot understand why we are so quick to subject our freedoms to the whims and fancies of people who by their thoughts and actions seem to lack basic commonsense and have proven to be untrustworthy in the management of our affairs already assigned to them.
and why those who question the assault on such freedoms are seen as troublemakers-
After digesting the below the question is what next-
“The truth is that there has been, at least since the start of the current decade, a global realization that the traditional methods of identification of persons –by photographs and numbers- had become obsolete; incapable of preventing identity theft; susceptible to other fraudulent abuses, and generally inadequate for their intended purpose. In an age of terrorist threat moreover, the then existing methods of identifying individuals had clearly become unsustainable.
In consequence, many jurisdictions sought to modernize their national ID databases from the simple photograph or number to include biometric identifiers, such as fingerprints, iris recognition, voice, gait and even DNA, which would authenticate individual identity and assist in border security.
And even though I have not yet heard it stated, it would appear as if Barbados is set to follow this global trend, at least in respect of the individual passport -if I am to judge from the provisions of the Immigration (Biometrics) Regulations 2015 where, according to regulation 6, any application for a passport, or for certain other stipulated registrations and permissions connected with residence in Barbados, must be accompanied by biometric data, as defined in that law, to be supplied to an immigration officer. Clearly then, the official intention seems to be to create a database of such information so as to ensure the authenticity of the relevant document.”
WHERE WILL IT END?
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No wonder you are in such a mess David Weekes….
There is nothing worse than being blessed with vision ….while living among brass bowls.
Surely you MUST have expected that when a typical Bajan ‘leader’ / ‘manager’ is confronted by someone like you ..that they will feel threatened, belittled, challenged and frightened….
Surely you know that they will try EVERYTHING to eliminate such threats…
Your easiest option was to do a ‘Georgie Porgie’. Cuss their donkeys and leave from around the brass bowl jackasses …and watch they implode from afar…
Or you could have done a Walter ….and gone on to excel in the big city and look back and laugh at the jackasses eating one another ….while those who rejected you suffer the CLICO infamy..
…or maybe like Hants – say ‘Frig that’, and move to a sane country (even if not a sane clime) …and fish.
…or like Money Brain and Lawson….. and play on the big field. Make millions and laugh at the poor-ass begging brass bowls on BU
But No….. you minding Bushie….
You ‘stand’ bout here trying to help rank jackasses to think….
You continuing to think that somehow, brass bowls can shine….
Shine shiite!!
Brass is brass. Skippa, even if you polish with all your might … in a week or two it will be tarnished all over again…
Bushie went through your stage too…. but after the fights, the pissy courts, the procession of pig-headed jackasses encountered ….. Bushie invested in a whacker and decided to go into bush whacking and vermin control….
Um sweet as shiite boss…. sweet as shiite!!!
…and given that mind you have been blessed with….you are only eating sodabix because you like them…. or perhaps you just hate caviar….
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@Bush Tea
You missed one option, pay the bobble like the others.
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@ David
LOL
That is not an option for persons of David’s ilk (as you yourself would know)…. People with THAT level of wisdom are NEVER for sale….
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Unfortunately we do not live in a perfect world . A world where good and evil would be constantly at war. There are very few options left where one can be fully protected and that every living individual would agree upon that the rights are not being infrigne
Those who seem to squabble lost sight of the fact that there freedoms are being violated every day by those who practice evil with all intentions to hurt innocent lives
Btw why after a year has it taken the opposition Blp to oppose this Regulation. Where they not aware? Or is just another way of grabbing onto political propaganda as a saving grace
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@ Sargeant March 27, 2016 at 8:08 PM …I see that you like to fool de BU faithful wid ya posts, fah real….cause fah a fella living up north on the current edge of info you certainly presenting very dated data …
I was throwing out some old seminar stuff recently and came across presentations from a banking industry conference WAY BACK in ’07 – ’08 which carefully detailed technology advances re the mobile banking, iris/fprint scan, chip based tech etc. And even then that was not new.
There was a term coined back then which is quite bang on apropos today: ‘one-to-one marketing’.
And when you talk about DNA as a future construct for ID purposes I can only smile. Is that not being used now extensively as the third level of ID inquiry..the forensic stage!
And how far removed really is a f’print or iris scan from the proverbial DNA…
…We would only abandon those other items when a DNA test can be completed in a few minutes and then too if cloning becomes prevalent then DNA would be useless. LOLLLL.
Just saying that we are at the shove stage of the ID push where all available ‘known’ tech is being used to validate who we say we are… issues of cost , convenience and practicality are still most relevant re the use of one tech compared to another.
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@DPD
The data may be dated to some but there hasn’t been wide spread application of much of this technology. Until very recently my Bank still wanted to know when I was going out of the country and where I was visiting so they wouldn’t flag any entries if one popped up from e.g. Las Vegas it wouldn’t attract attention yet this would be the same Bank through which I would’ve bought my ticket and paid for any reservations and Travel Insurance. Yuh mean to tell me that the Visa arm of the Bank couldn’t make a determination based on recent activity that it was likely I was in Point A or Point B?
My point is that Banking is still a very conservative business and it still takes time for implementation of technology in North America vis a vis Europe. Virtual banking is a reality in Canada but has been slow to catch on in the USA because people still want the Bricks and mortar institutions. Much of the futuristic technology will take hold when Banks finalize their strategy on how they could make maximum income at lowest operating costs (we don’t visit branches any longer, we don’t get paper statements, but service charges continue to increase)
Don’t you love Capitalism?
BTW wouldn’t a finger print scam have foiled the Eastern European folks who tried to separate some Bajans from their money via ABMs recently?
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We are all AWARE of threats to Barbados’ national security as well as those unscrupulous individuals, (e.g. the Bulgarians), who may from time to time take advantage of banks’ weak security of their financial systems.
However, as far as I’m aware, Barbadians, whether it is the Opposition, David Commissiong, “Douche Can” or the man on the “Cream of Wheat” box, seem not to have a PROBLEM with the biometric security system.
They have a problem with it being used to fingerprint BARBADIANS on their DEPARTURE from and ARRIVAL to Barbados, legal implications of the system on their constitutional rights and the lack of information on this issue coming from the government.
Rather than emphasizing with Barbadians and addressing their concerns, as well as adhering to the promises articulated on page 47 of the DLP’s 2008 election manifesto re:
“The DLP administration’s attitude to accountability will be BASED on the UNDERSTANDING that as SERVANTS and REPRESENTATIVES of the people there can be no SECRETS or MATTERS to be HIDDEN from the POPULATION. Consequently, a DLP administration will be ACCOUNTABLE for its ACTION and POLICIES and TAKE the PUBLIC into its CONFIDENCE.”
Verla DePeiza and BU’s resident yard-fowl have resorted to using scare tactics and worse case scenarios (ISIS attacks on Belgium) to correlate with Barbadians’ reluctance to being fingerprinted, while promoting “Freudelism,” (i.e. this administration’s “like it or lump it…….. we gine still do it” approach they use to implement policy).
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@ Artax
Do you understand the term ‘black hats’?
Verla and Maxine.
It is the nature of the beast.
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@Sargeant, let’s agree to disagree re “Virtual banking is a reality in Canada but has been slow to catch on in the USA because people still want the Bricks and mortar institutions.” I do not think the evidence really supports that but let’s leave it there.
What would be a really extensive rollicking other entire discussion is your comment :
” Until very recently my Bank still wanted to know when I was going out of the country and … Yuh mean to tell me that the Visa arm of the Bank couldn’t make a determination … that it was likely I was in Point A or Point B?”
That statement makes implicit for review several aspects of this vexing question of privacy rights….
…. If you go Las Vegas and visit one of the very legal bordellos there does your bank have a right to intrude on you by perhaps targeting a marketing campaign to you – from a purchase – by offering the latest Victoria Secrets catalogue or whatever showing lovely accessories for male-female relaxation!
Do they have a right if you buy a gun legally in US to report you to the Canadian authorities?
Why should the Visa Arm as you noted investigate your ticket purchase to Las Vegas and link it to a subsequent purchase there unless they are data mining your purchases !….
So is that good and sensible business practices or is that an invasion of privacy???
My point senor is that all that you say is well stated but depending on where one stands it could be grounds for the worst invasion of privacy imagined…
Oh and re that US Bank ting…it was always all about MONEY…primarily they did not want to change the installed base of the ‘older’ tech. Who do you think were the ones that sold/pushed a lot of the chip technology/software (virtual banking as you called it) to Europe and Canada that is now supposedly migrating back to US…not Russian companies I can assure you!
Life as you know is never a perfect straight line…lots of loops and meandering before the end is reached!
And with that..I’ll loop out.
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I guess none of you know about in at least one US State, I think it was the Dakotas, chips were being inserted, I would imagine it was with consent, into people so…..and my memory is vague here…all their information can be accessed when they do transactions.
The concept was developed by university students.
If memory serves me, Europe was at one time planning to embed chips into people and phase out paper transactions…..slavery by another name, control by a another name…..that’s all those who control the paper have to sit around and do all day long, all year long, all decade long, all century long…..and repeat. Finding better and better ways to control.
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Folks
…all these things already take place on a routine basis…
That ‘discount card’ you carry…is nothing but a ‘common key’ that allows basic merchants to track what you buy; how much; how often; from where; what brand; and at what time of day…
The passport /NID number; credit/debit card; cell phone; IP number; …all provide tracers of what you do, say, eat, …perhaps even think… (ask David(BU)….)
THERE IS ONLY ONE WEAK POINT IN THE SYSTEM…
Just like a fella can ‘borrow’ your Pricesmart card and go and make a purchase, another fellow can ‘borrow’ your credit card ….or indeed your passport …and make a transaction.
The fingerprinting thing is intended to close that gap…. so that rather than a ‘lendable’ document, your ‘passport’ will actually become your fingerprint…
This will work for a few months or years until ways and means of ‘borrowing’ fingerprints become common place through 3D printing of acrylic prints; super-imposition of temporary prints using special compounds…or some other technology (inevitably) gains momentum….
Then they will have NO OPTION but to install unique identity chips (probably generated based on the person’s unique DNA code for possible double-checking) into each and every one who needs to conduct monetary, travel and other transactions… IT WILL BE THE ONLY PRACTICAL OPTION…..and without this, it will not be possible for anyone to buy, sell, or travel…
….now where did we hear of such a thing before…? 🙂
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Hey look who even have the nerve to talk about scare tactics .Well i’ll be damn. Nothing that was said in Parliament about the issue by the govt side while alluding to the ongoing developments in the international world were made up stories but past and ongoing events affecting other countries
The fact being that the blp had a year to bring all these differences within the regulation to public attention but did not preferencing to use scare tactics clinging to freedom and rights .
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Thank God – Bad Boy Bajans can no longer hide out in China.
http://gisbarbados.gov.bb/index.php?categoryid=9&p2_articleid=15683
Barbados And China Sign Two Treaties
Published on March 23, 2016 by Kim Ramsay-Moore
Acting Attorney General, Michael Lashley and China’s Vice Foreign Minister, Wang Chao signing the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty as well as an Extradition Treaty at the Attorney General’s office today. (A.Miller/BGIS)Acting Attorney General, Michael Lashley and China’s Vice Foreign Minister, Wang Chao signing the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty as well as an Extradition Treaty at the Attorney General’s office today. (A.Miller/BGIS)
The Governments of Barbados and the People’s Republic of China today signed two treaties aimed at assisting each other in investigating criminal matters and bringing fugitives to justice.
Acting Attorney General, Michael Lashley, signed a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty as well as an Extradition Treaty on behalf of the Government of Barbados, while Vice Foreign Minister of the People’s Republic of China Wang Chao, initialled the documents on behalf of his country.
Speaking after the official signing of the documents at the Office of the Attorney General in Wildey, Mr. Lashley explained that the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty would enable both countries to receive assistance in terms of investigations, prosecutions and other proceedings related to criminal matters.
The Extradition Treaty, he stated, would allow for more effective cooperation between the countries in the suppression of crime on the basis of mutual respect for sovereignty and equality.
“The Government of Barbados is pleased to be a signatory to these treaties since they provide additional avenues for intelligence gathering at a time of widespread transnational crime including financial crime, cybercrime, human trafficking and smuggling.
“In these circumstances, it is necessary to build partnerships for information sharing and other forms of cooperation as we seek to improve our ability to respond to these global challenges. The activation of these treaties will add value to the law enforcement milieu and help to strengthen investigative capacities and capabilities,” he added.
Vice Minister Wang Chao pointed out that the treaties were yet another signal that Barbados and China maintained close relations and the ability to collaborate on important issues.
He further lauded law enforcement in this country for assistance in the recent apprehension of two Chinese fugitives who had been on the run in the Caribbean and were eventually recaptured in St. Vincent.
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As the “discussion” continues, on BU, about biometric identification systems, with contributor presenting varying perspectives on the issue, I read a very interesting notice in the real estate section of the Thursday, March 24, 2016 edition of the Nation.
On page 50 of the paper the following notice was found under the heading “Houses for rent”:
3-BEDROOM, 1-BATHROOM UNFURNISHED WALL HOUSE. Seclusion Road, Black Rock, St. Michael. $1,000 monthly.
First & last rent deposit, COPIES of Barbados ID & RECENT PAYSLIP required.
Since when does a landlord have to know the earnings of a potential tenant and is the PRESENTATION of a payslip a LEGAL REQUIREMENT?
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LOL @ Artax
…it is only a requirement if you want to rent THAT house….
You think the life of a landlord is an easy one…?
ha ha ha
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Lol…Due Diligence, I believe the treaty is meant to be one sided, to be diplomatically polite, Adriel Brathwaite will actually sign the two way treaty and pretend that a Bajan member of the majority population, will go on the other side of the world, where there are 1.3 billion Chinese and take what would more than likely be a 3 day flight, with stop overs and plane changes here ,there and everywhere…to commit a crime, how much is a ticket to China anyway, probably the cost of a small estate….that would be too exhausting.
Now the Caribbean would be an easy playground for the Chinese criminals to run amok, given the dumb mentality of the leaders….it’s only Interpol could halt those games.
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A yard-fowl’s ignorance always comes to the fore, and more so, when they try to spin the issue from the antagonist to the protagonist. As usual, the AC consortium of yard-fowls is SEEKING to POLITICIZE this issue by trying to turn it into a “BLP versus DLP scenario.”
But de ICC called and suspended dum fuh uh suspected illegal bowling action.
What does “alluding to the ongoing developments in the international world” have to do with BARBADIANS VOICING THEIR CONCERNS about or OBJECTING to providing an Immigration Officer with biometric data, each time they seek to enter or depart a port?
If the Opposition or any other concerned citizen took ONE YEAR or even TEN YEARS “to bring all these differences within the regulation to public attention,” THEIR ACTION (however late) ACHIEVED the DESIRED OBJECTIVES.
That is, it RESULTED in the government having to ADMIT they needed to examine any LEGAL IMPLICATIONS of the proposed policy, provide the PUBLIC with MORE INFORMATION and ultimately POSTPONING the April 1, 2016 implementation date.
In other words the government, as usual, “put the horse before the cart”……… a FUNDAMENTAL CHARACTERISTIC of “FREUNDELISM.”
Your comments “fact being that the BLP had a year to bring all these differences within the regulation to public attention,” are RHETORICAL PARTY POLITICAL DIATRIBE and should be dismissed as, (according to your leader): “what (you) say has as much value as what you would see in any garbage dump collected by the Sanitation Services Authority.”
AC, yuh mean wunnuh gine leh me prove all de time what a bunch uh foolish ignorant yard-fowls wunnuh is? Shiite!!!!!
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WW&C
But now the AG can have the Bajan Bad Boys who flee to China extradited back to BIM to serve time at Dodds.
But it would be cheaper and safer for BIM to leave then there
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@ Bushie
Yes, I think I know the meaning of a “black hat, but I could be wrong.” Years ago duh uses tuh got women dat did like to skin up duh dress, “block,” talk shiite and cuss everybody in de gap. The old people uses tuh call dem “black hats,” I en know if you mean de same t’ing.
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Hahahahaha, Bushie, in that case the life of the tenant is not easy either. Fortunately, the landlord did not ask for a police certificate of character, letters from two references and certified copies of qualifications.
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Look you can phrase or rephrase any which way. There are no scare tactics that you or any blp yardfowl and opposition that can define what govt have said in parliament on the issue of finger printing and the importance and relevancy to the national Security.
The knee jerk reaction taken by the opposition is akin to throwing a sprat to catch a whale .Then again if the opposition was as sincere in their disagreement it would not have taken them a whole year to realise that there were certain degrees of discrepancies that infringe on an individual rights.
As usual the opposition has taken flight heading into the opposing direction.
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Well Well & Consequences March 28, 2016 at 2:16 PM #
“Now the Caribbean would be an easy playground for the Chinese criminals to run amok, given the dumb mentality of the leaders….it’s only Interpol could halt those games.”
@ WW&C
This is where the biometric security system comes into play. When entering Barbados, the Chinese would have to comply with the Regulations and provide an Immigration Officer with his/her biometric data (unless dem is diplomats). As a result, law enforcement agencies will have a database of indentifying information, with which they could share with Interpol, FBI, CIA, MI5 or even Scooby Doo (causing he does solve crimes too).
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This issue is NOT about the Opposition, it is about an issue which once again demonstrates the meaning an inept administration you lot so often come to BU to defend.
“If the opposition was as sincere in their disagreement it would not have taken them a whole year to realise that there were certain degrees of discrepancies that infringe on an individual rights” is IRRELEVANT…. So what, who cares. “The end justifies the means.”
The FACT remains that the Opposition, Commissiong and all those individuals who used social and other media to voice their concerns about Barbadians being fingerprinted when they seek to enter or depart a port, ACHIEVED their DESIRED OBJECTIVES.
And as such, even if the BLP’s motives were obviously political, “the end justifies the mean.” By postponing implementation of the policy, the government has essentially admitted they were wrong. Hence, a slap in the face of an adamant Freundel Stuart.
The Opposition and other concerned groups also proved that the sudden implementation of the Immigration (Biometric) Regulations, 2015 was “a knee jerk reaction taken by the (government)” in adherence to policies, perhaps developed in extra-regional countries.
Having to eventually rescind this directive, as in the case of the solid waste tax, other taxes and many other policy initiatives, this DLP administration has proven once again that, “as usual, they have taken flight heading into the opposing direction” of the Opposition Benches, come 2018.
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steupseee
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Art…and that is simply what the prime minister and attorney general should have told the people, who are the real targets of the fingerprinting. ..instead they danced around the issue, making it seem that the whole Bajan population should be fingerprinted, entering and exiting the island.
We all know it’s the international criminals being targeted with a few Bajans who get involved in criminal activities also , but being bottom feeders for tourism, they did not want to tell the truth and I know the US never told them to withhold information, give a good explanation or lie to the taxpayers about the issue, they do that by default, the final analysis is, they are now seen as world class jackasses. .lol
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*DON’T give a good explanation or lie to the taxpayers about the fingerprinting.
See AC.. ya’ll are IDIOTS, IDIOTS….
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@DePD……….Not all anarchy is about putting the cart before the horse. Iceland had a very quiet anarchy without shots being fired. Our kind of Anarchist aren’t terrorist therefore we don’t need to have a handle on terrorist attacks. We don’t play with fire. Its your ‘democratically elected’ governments in the US, the UK, Turkey, Germany, Israhell, and Saudi Arabia to mention a few that are planning, funding, overseeing and implementing these attacks just like what you see in Brussels, Paris, San Bernadino 9/11, Pakistan, Africa, in NYC 9/11 and on and on. Shortly before the Brussels bombing some swine in Israhell made it clear that if the EU boycotted their goods there would be terror in Brussels…So there you have the Mossad getting down to business in Brussels and blaming the innocent. They all work for one master. The end game is total subjugation of this planet. Anyone with a modicum of self-respect would fight against this FORCE. But not to worry my fiend you too, should continue to be REAL SMART and vigilant.
David Weeks aka JB aka…….You are about the smartest coconut in the bunch you and ur sodabix..Sodabix does come in handy when travelling and just in case u don’t have sodabix you can do like me and injest 2 level cup of soda…(1 for departure and 1 for arrival)…. for you see my friend soda wards off all forms of evil spirits and biometricity whether it be full body scans, retina scans or finger printing..soda protects your dna from this radiation. You might also need it to protect your knee caps from mortar fire while clearing those land mines.
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As usual, the incompetence of this government shows up in and on every level.
Half way through their second term and they are still acting like neophytes on the job. No one seems to be able to tell the other come back…….that is not right.
Soon after the DLP came to office, I was some place where the DLP was the hot topic. The discussion was on what happened in the House when Mia forced them to debate CLICO…….matters got hot between George Payne and the speaker who then threatened to put out the whole opposition.
We of course did not know at the time that there was bad blood between the speaker and Payne as a result of the elderly man’s monies the speaker was withholding. The official said he told the speaker that he could not put out the whole opposition and that he had to deal with members on an indivual basis. The speaker did not seem to understand the rules and regulations. The official said that they tried to guide them but they were arrogant, they would not listen and felt they knew it all just because they were elected.
This latest botch up is not a surprise. Square pegs in round holes.
We should never the tag team of Donville and Stinkliar shouting across the floor telling Mia……….wunnah had 14 years, now is we time, we gine do things we way, any ideas wunnah got keep to wunnah selves!
And we are surprised at the foul ups, bleeps and blunders and the outright lies in and out of the House?
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@ Caswell Franklyn March 27, 2016 at 8:20 AM #
“The Electoral Office has already gone ahead and purchased new cameras but they have proven to be duds. Somehow they can’t seem to get the skin colour of caucasians correct.
Government has already laid the bill in the House that will effect that change which will see all ID cards having to be reissued. The project is on hold until after the next General Elections.
I also understand that the project would be outsourced to some suitably qualified Dem”
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You are so right………….here is what I know of the situation.
I guess under orders, the specifications for this new ID card kept changing.
They wanted to include the MTW as a form of a driver’s licence…….
They wanted to include the NIS who wisely wanted no part of it as the NIS felt that their information would be compromised and predators could easily manipulate and steal from the old folk……..
They wanted to include all ten fingerprints in the card as well….
Well, the cost skyrocketed, Fugitsu eventually got the huge contract, deposits were paid out and it seems as if the project is on hold as the Electoral and Boundaries cannot make those kind of changes with an election due in two years.
However up until recently, I am told that they were still renting spaces which were to be used as the information centres……..and you would know that not one of the spaces would be owned by any one not entilted to feed on the fatted calf.
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“Somehow they can’t seem to get the skin colour of caucasians correct.”
The photo on my Ontario driver’s licence does not show skin colour.
The photo on my OHIP card does not show skin colour.
Canadian passport photos are in colour.
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@DPD
Your Banking Industry conference from 07/08 and what you observed reminds me of someone who attends an Auto Show and looks at all the concept vehicles with their cutting edge technology and when some of the technology migrates to the new models a few years hence exclaims “that is old stuff”.
Long story short the Bank wanted the list of countries that I was visiting (it was entirely optional and I filled it out online) but you can be in one place and the info on the magnetic strip on the back of the card can be on another plastic in another place, it had nothing to do with Data Mining so you can hang up your Las Vegas fantasy hat.
Also, you probably misunderstood my point about virtual banking, I was referring to banking operations without bricks and mortar that customers can amble into, there are several in Canada ranging from Tangerine (part of ING Financial out of The Netherland) President Choice Financial (Part of the Loblaws chain) Canadian Tire Bank, Manufacturers Life Insurance etc., customers communicate with these institutions via Telephone or through the Internet.
Last but not least I saw this article this afternoon which just happened to dovetail with this discussion
http://www.thestar.com/business/2016/03/21/biometrics-in-technology-may-be-an-easier-way-to-id-yourself-but-is-it-safe.html
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Ahhhh, AC….. “steupseee” all yuh want……. de the truth does hurt.
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De Ole man checking is wid wunna bright people.
Ammmm I was here thinking to myself and said ” myself, ammmm, wid all de MI5, 6, 7, Interpol, CIA, CIBC and CLICO dem got out there, myself how any of dem agencies going detect “clean skins” proselyted and activated after one single contact when I give them the explosive vests and suitcase with the shrapnel/ball bearings and marbles?”
And myself answered and said “ole man, when de night comes, why you doan turn off de IPad and go sleep?”
You have already lost this battle you know.
It is just that the terrorists are “playing by your rules of Hollywood style engagement like in a Bruce Willis/Die Hard movie” but if they were true terrorists, as Putin is a really serious combatant, unlike the mock stick western governments now playing with this problem, the collective asses of ALL the western democracies would be in lockdown if …
Won’t utter the word because once spoken it gains wings.
There is really only one choice which MUST BE EFFECTED WHILE GOVERNMENTS DO WHAT IS A PUTIN MOVE, and this is to engage the enemy in the battleground of their mind but for some of us that is like a camel passing through the eye of a needle.
The Lahore Modality note that I did not say incident, and those of you who understand the subtlety, will understand that the terrorists are upping their game.
Many a cane fire in Barbados years ago was started by many an outstanding pillar of the Bajan community at 2016, and I can give you names.
What is my point in that last statement? The terrorist movement has started to attract gazers and people who are observing the carnage that they are causing on the news AFTER they are causing it, in the same way a forensic officer examines a scene, they are returning to the scene of the crime electronically, to observe their carnage.
Zuckenber, Mark Elliot enter stage left with the insidious and pervasive “I know who you are” algorithm has now has brought the “6 Degreesof Seperation” down to 3
and, for those who understand who truly is a “Trojan horse”, clearly under stand that the Facebook Campaign in India – Free Basics is nothing at all to do with Net Neutrality.
“They have eyes, but see not, and ears but hear not…”
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Piece…, they care not.
Hants…that is why, out of curiosity, I was asking Caswell, what color the Caucasian skin tone came out after being photographed with the new equipment. .lol
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And as if to underscore what I just ranted observe what is happening on the Net Neutrality Front http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35914195
Read the entire article and pay especial attention to Apple’s CEO comments AND the withdrawal of the case.
Four things to note.
The Phone has been cracked
They have publicized the cracking of the phone
Cooke has reiterated Apples stance and
They have dropped the case against Apple
Each of these facts merits a thesis but in conjunction is a trove of information
The phone is one “cell” which is either self initiated, sympathetic and spontaneous as a wannabe, with trappings of the actors thinking that what they were doing was rights, possibly borne out by the social posting, or proselytization of low order jihadists.
In one case the phone will give nothing but individual data about two misguided people while in the other it will have trawlings for a one to one or one to many relationship.
They were low order and the flax after the incident would, IF THEY WERE UNDER ORDERS, lean to one to one at best, or stand alone.
One to one proselytization would have chosen a “target of greater interest”, not workers at an office party for a not for profit entity which works with persons with disabilities.
That the phone, the iPhone, with its seemingly impregnable security has been cracked, that the Case has bee dropped seems to suggest a compromise where a trusted broker, armed with apple software, war permitted to effect the hack in exchange for the removal of the charges. at his is a publicity stunt that confirms that in addition to a self initiated misguided incident, the phone was devoid of any additional information
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And as if to further substantiate the ineffective of fingerprinting here is a notable fact about the female Muslim attacker in the San Bernadino incident.
“…As is standard practice, as part of her visa application with the State Department and application for a green card, Malik submitted her fingerprints and underwent “three extensive national security and criminal background screenings” using Homeland Security and State Department databases.
Malik also underwent two in-person interviews, the first with a consular officer in Pakistan and the second with an immigration officer in the U.S. after applying for a green card…”
So unless you are known to the law or have, by dint of association occasioned by comments on websites, telephone calls to persons of interest, too many Hajj visits, too many subscriptions to Islamic magazines or website cookies, retrieved by Microsoft, AND, apple and being added to the all Pervasive Terrorist Screening Database, the fingerprinting exercise is a waste of time as it relates to the greatest threats.
Green card holders, K1 and B1/B2 visa holders need not be too important for your investigations where you are failing TERRIBLY, WITH INCREASINGLY WORSE PROGNOSES EVERY DAY, lies in you inability to staunch the ever increasing cadre of the disaffected, in that understood?
Your problem is that you cannot understand who your enemy is, and Abraham Lincoln, because he speaks of freeing the niggahs, even though he is your president, becomes the enemy, purely because of perceived dissent.
But I forget that he is not the only president and son of your soil that you gents killed, is he?
My pally George dribbler all like now saying huh? He ranting in truth, but the crypto analysts understand o say can we see..
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“He further lauded law enforcement in this country for assistance in the recent apprehension of two Chinese fugitives who had been on the run in the Caribbean and were eventually recaptured in St. Vincent.”
Be careful to what we attach our signatures. Two chinese fugitives or ‘political dissidents ‘
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Amnesty International Says Encryption Is A Basic Human Right
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@Pieces, excellent perspective re “That the phone,…with its seemingly impregnable security has been cracked… seems to suggest a compromise where a trusted broker … permitted to effect the hack in exchange for the removal of the charges. …”———-
I was trying to figure out how the FBI went from being stalled in the desert to zooming round the world in 60 secs!
@Sargeant March 28, at 10:12 PM ..you crafted an lovely analogy re “… reminds me of …. all the concept vehicles…and when some of the technology migrates … exclaims “that is old stuff”.”
But you overlook that if the US auto introduces ‘concept tech’ to their customers in 2016 that has been in cars across Europe as early as late 1990s and already performing wonders there then it isindeed ‘old stuff’ when it finally migrates into cars in US!
A few basics…The data is readily available on net.
—- France were the first with this and had excellent bank card fraud ratios and it was reported that the UK saw over 20% decrease when they intro’ed the standards after 2004.
—– The relevant standard re bank card tech migration to stronger security is called EMV. Canada started to implement and update the fundamental to meet standard requirements since 2012 or thereabouts… In fact one of your big Canadian firms there (multinational owned) is G&D (Gieche and Devrient) which is very prominent in this industry.
…. …all real cars long ago tested and driven successfully on the road…no driver-less concept vehicle here!!!!!
Here is one comment from an ’08 article which crystallizes the general feeling by many industry journalists at the time which suggested that US banks were willing to live with the billions in fraud … It was a simple straightforward risk-reward analysis. That is changing significantly now clearly.
——- << The argument against EMV migration in the States has largely fallen on the huge investment retailers and bankers would have to make….
… purchasing EMV-compliant POS systems and issuing EMV-compliant cards has made migration cost prohibitive, without having high card-fraud numbers nudging the initiative.
… But a move to RFID contactless puts a similar financial demand on retailers and bankers. POS systems must be replaced and cards must be reissued.
…My question: Why are Visa and MasterCard allowing the United States to take a baby step when a leap makes more sense? Jan. 8, 2008, by Tracy Kitten >>
The US is FINALLY coming to the party after some of those mammoth data hacks …no longer is it a fraction of a problem and surely it stopped being just a ‘concept’ at the turn of 2000…long ago!
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Piece…call it linguistic inversion and a sudden change it value..that sums it up.
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*sudden change in value.
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Just posting what is being discussed on the VOBchat…………apparently a drunken Attorney General got into an accident at the four crossing after Boarded Hall hitting a car……………….and we wait to see if he will be charged with drunken driving……………………..
Chatters want to know how he culd come out and talk about the reckless driving of the PSV drivers when he was caught driving intoxicated!
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