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Submitted by Due Diligence
Senator Maxine McClean, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Senator Maxine McClean, Minister of Foreign Affairs

LEADER of Government Business in the Senate, Senator Maxine McClean, has lauded the model to be used in the construction of houses in the Oxnards, St. James area as part of Government’s Housing Every Last Person programme – BarbadosAdvocate

The Senator appears not to understand how a home builder finances the construction of homes, and how a home buyer finances/pays for his/her purchase of the home. At the end of the day, once that person gets their mortgage approved, that person does not have access to any funds under the mortgage commitment ”to start to make their payments”.  The mortgage lender makes one advance – when the home is completed.

Assuming it has a good credit rating and title to the property, sign off on the agreement and accessing a mortgage (commitment by the home buyer) would allow the home builder/contractor to negotiate financing with its bank to for the cash flow needed to build the home; but the home buyer does not provide working capital into the project, he/she pays for his/her home when it is completed.

My understanding is that it normally works like this…

  1. The home builder (contractor) buys the land, using its cash as a deposit on the land.
  2. The home builder then enters a contract with the home buyer, who has secured a commitment for a mortgage to enable him/her to complete the purchase when the home is built.  At signing the purchase contract, the home buyer makes a down payment – of say 25% of the purchase price.
  3. The home builder goes to the bank to arrange a loan, against the security of the property to enable him to fund the cost of building the home.
  4. When the home is completed, the home buyer goes back to the lender which has committed to the mortgage to draw down the advance of the mortgage – the final 75% of the purchase price – assuming he still qualifies for the mortgage. (if he has lost his job he probably will not qualify).
  5. The lender’s attorney registers its mortgage on the property of the home being purchased (so it mortgage is registered on title) and lender advances the amount of the mortgage (through its attorney); which is paid to ensure the home builder pays off any money owing on the land and/or the construction cost for that home, so the lender has clear title on the property to secure its mortgage.

In this case, it seems that some Government entity (NHC?) owns/has title to property on which the home will be built; and the small contractor/home builder does not have title to the land. In that model,  it will be the entity which has title to the property that will have to make payments to the contractor until the home is completed and the home buyer can get access  to the mortgage advance from the mortgage lender to complete the purchase.

If the Leader of Government Business in the Senate, does not understand how a simple mortgage loan to finance a new home is advanced; is it any wonder why the Government does not understand how a country is financed?

Maybe the Senator should limit her interaction with the media to those frequent photo-ops with her chatting with the Ambassador from China and other members of the diplomatic corps in Barbados.

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76 responses to “Oxnard Housing Model Needs Clarification”

  1. Pachamama Avatar
    Pachamama

    We never have cause to agree with OSA for he and McClean have more in common than we do. However, he once apocryphally stated that Maxine McClean should not be anywhere near government. We are afraid he was and is right.

  2. David Avatar
    David

    Would appreciate a critique of Due Diligence’s submission. This is a subject matter which goes over the heads of many our touted education standard notwithstanding.

  3. Oxnard Housing Model Needs Clarification | Black In Barbados

    […] David Submitted by Due Diligence LEADER of Government Business in the Senate, Senator Maxine McClean, has […]

  4. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    This submission is living proof that the truism “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing” is more than justified. I’ll provide a full throated response about the author’s assumptions later.

  5. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad

    Clear title to land does not start at NHC, to the builder then to the buyer.
    Senator Maxine McClean do not own the land,The Builder , the buyer, the Bank ,none of them own the land

    Better Question to ASK who has CLEAR TITLE TO THE LAND? BEFORE THEY EVEN MOVE THE DIRT,
    When the government change hands and the Massive land Fraud is in the open for all to see? The government can not pass ACTS or laws to cover up Fraud,
    Try going back 70years and run the land back to the Plantation owner to find CLEAR TITLE ,
    iF THE LAND IS BAD, The deed is bad , if the builders Lawyer do not do their home work in title history , and the lawyer give bad advice , the builder may take the lawyer to court, the buyer may take the builder to court, the bank better make sure the land has clear title,
    The word of the DBLP Governement , NHC, Builder, Bank , and all their lawyers can not be trusted, The new owner will Own no money for his or her Free House, For they will be looking to Defraud the new home owner ,The home owner will be in court to make them all prove a clear title . The owner then will need to find the truth and find the true owner ,
    No taxes will be due upon fraud ,for it may still be farm land.Where then rental of land to be paid to the owner.

    There are no title companies in Barbados to insure that there are no liens or other owners .People who do title searches are not title companies that will insure or give insurance in case some one comes to knock on your door or for you to end up in court. older the lawyer older the crook and we have some young ones also in the BAR
    Defective title
    Root of title , WATCH OUT,

  6. Like it is Avatar
    Like it is

    Two news items caught the eye this week -the two white youngsters who set the grass fires and Morris Lee head of of the dreaded ZR culture.
    The white boys families were seen on television with a body language seeming to say how dare the cameras film the boys court appearance. Well criminals from the majority population appear on tv news nightly. Who the hell you think you are? This case will be followed closely to see if the two wicked youth to get maximum sentence as the rest of us would. Already they have been allowed bail which they should not. It was an act potentially worst than the Campuz Trendz mass murders. Secondly Morris Lee could really shut to hell up. His lobbying for his bunch of terrifying law breaking criminals who masquerade as ZR drivers and conductors is sickening ( a very small few of ZR men are law abiding). The ZR gang are a clear and present threat to the lives of citizens and to law and order in the society. Government’s fuel subsidy should not be restored until the insanity and horror these doped up criminal operators of ZRs visit of the frightened public daily are stopped. Until then Morris Lee the preacher you should be ashamed to show your face in public much less talk foolishness about more government help while threatening to increase fares on the death trap ZR’s you represent.

  7. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Due diligence has NOT written what “normally works”.

    I will give him a chance to do more investigating while I go out for my morning coffee.

  8. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Due said:

    “Maybe the Senator should limit her interaction with the media to those frequent photo-ops with her chatting with the Ambassador from China and other members of the diplomatic corps in Barbados.”

    No big surprise from Maxine McClean, as long as she does not sign anymore international agreements to allow criminals into Barbados, speaking about what she knows nothing about can always be corrected, and yeah, she should stick to photo ops, they suit here.

    Like it is said:
    “The white boys families were seen on television with a body language seeming to say how dare the cameras film the boys court appearance.”

    I agree, those two little bajan white criminals should not have been allowed bail, they are two pyromaniacs, criminals who deliberately set fires are dangerous to say the least and when they star those actst, they never stop, these two risked the lives of the fire fighters and the public with their wicked act……let’s see how the prosecutor/DPP handles this, he is always ready to send a message to the black youth by jailing them, in this case the ‘white’ youth also needs a message, and yeah, their relatives body language spoke volumes, like if they should never have been arrested in the first place, that shit gotta stop and it starts with the politicians, DPP and police who like to give white criminals on the island a free pass and get out of jail free card..

  9. Due Diligence Avatar
    Due Diligence

    Sergeant and Hants

    David said “Would appreciate a critique of Due Diligence’s submission.”

    DD would also welcome your critiques – to let him know where his understanding of how it normally works s incorrect.

  10. guest Avatar
    guest

    @Like it is & Well Well
    What on earth have your racist contributions got to do with the original article?

  11. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Guest……..what racist what? yall like to call truth racism as long as it does not fall under the aegis of allowing the minority whites to continually do shit in Barbados, commit murder and literally get away with it, how do you like that one, it’s the perfect time to raise the issue since there is no thread on that particular topic, now suck it up shithead, there will be no retraction, particularly from Well Well….and beside,s i gave everyone hell, black , blue and in-between so get used to it, white my ass, who cares.

  12. Nostradamus Avatar
    Nostradamus

    @Like it is @ Well Well

    “….the two white youngsters who set the grass fires ….’

    “I agree, those two little bajan white criminals should not have been allowed bail, they are two pyromaniacs, criminals who deliberately set fires …”:

    Jeez… whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty. And such racist vitriol from both of you.

    The “body language” of the adults accompanying them to court looked more to me like a hare caught in a spotlight as well as embarrassment.

  13. guest Avatar
    guest

    @Well Well
    You obviously have serious issues that you should seek help for. You certainly are not well.Anger management is your friend.

  14. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Nostradamus…….I usually agree with your insight, but here we are speaking about Barbados, where this minority group believe, and I always blame the majority for allowing them to and encourage them in this belief, that they have a right to do whatever they like on the island and should not be arrested, prosecuted and spend some quality time at Dodd’s for their crimes,, now i know you can’t say that’s not true because you will be uncharacteristically dishonest and that is not like you.

    So, I am calling on both you and Guest, to tell me the last time that any white criminals in Barbados were not only arrested , but prosecuted and jailed so that they pay for their crimes, and when was the last time you heard anyone in Barbados, black or minority white say that a black youth or youths were innocent until proven guilty, with all the black youths in Barbados, were these two whites just singled out, we like to beat up on the local police, i do it too, but in this instance i don’t believe the police manufactured evidence or beat those two and got confession……knowing what i know personally of the local white minority females, those two were just itching to tell those camera men don’t come near them, despite what you two believe.

  15. St George's Dragon Avatar
    St George’s Dragon

    I believe you are wrong about the process.
    I think how it works is much more like the Senator says.
    The purchaser of the property normally gets a mortgage (have to get a valuation done so the lender knows the property when built will be worth more than the mortgage); the lender makes stage payments to the builder when signed off by the valuer as being appropriate to the work done.

  16. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Guest……again, you believe in a myth that is not true, as to any issues you believe i have, they are more yours than mine, if you knew me well, you would be shocked, as i said, yall got to perpetrate a myth in Barbados and still believe it to be true, despite reality coming to bitch slap you in the face…….now let the courts do their job, because you don’t like seeing two white kids charged for a crime, does not mean it’s not happening and that i am in any way racist because of my commenting on truth, and when was the last time you told off the cops for arresting or beating a black youth?

  17. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    @Due Diligence who wrote “My understanding is that it normally works like this The home builder (contractor) buys the land, using its cash as a deposit on the land.

    It used to work like this……”Home Buyer” buys the land. gets bridging loans from a bank, pays the contractor at stages during construction of house ( ground floor then ring beam then roof then completed.)

    Then the property is mortgaged.

    That is loosely how it was done the last time I was directly involved in building a house in a development in Barbados.

  18. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Hants……..i believe it has become a little more involved now, you may not recognize the current environment….. from acquiring investor funding, to building to mortgage, i heard it is now so intertwined that it has become unrecognizable.

  19. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Well Well it is no different or involved now if you buy a lot in a development to build a house unless you are trying to build a house you cannot comfortably afford.

  20. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    I saw some heated boxes that is the Lancaster project that I just cannot fathom someone who is not desperate actually going to the bank and get a mortgage for, by comparison, someone close checked out the Coverley heated boxes that started somewhere around 2+-$300,000 but by the time you are finishing paying the mortgage it would arrive to somewhere around $6-700,000, I don’t believe the builders paid anywhere around that amount to build them or import the many slabs that make up the Coverley project, so just imagine the properties that are high end $4-$500,000 and over, that are not heated boxes.

  21. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    Nostradamus wrote “Jeez… whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty”

    Agreed Nostradamus…….if it applies to the accused blacks that the news media routinely show on TV and in newspaper.

    Don’t worry. The “white boys” have disappeared from Nationnews.com and since no one died they will not spend time in Dodds.

  22. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    “Don’t worry. The “white boys” have disappeared from Nationnews.com and since no one died they will not spend time in Dodds.”

    That is exactly the issue here, and even if someone had died the likelihood of these two bajan white pyromaniacs going to prison would be zero…….that is also shameful…AND Guest is just angry that those two were arrested in the first place, i guess he/she will just have to get some anger management treatment…..lol

  23. Hants Avatar
    Hants

    I tief this from a Nationnews article.

    “The BFS figures up to last Wednesday showed there were 973 bush fires compared with 509 this year, while there were 77 cane fires compared with 43 this year.

  24. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    There is still a bush fire raging in Chile 3 days later, that is how dangerous bush fires are and should be taken VERY SERIOUSLY….don’t care who set it.

  25. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Well Well | April 15, 2014 at 11:49 AM |
    “So, I am calling on both you and Guest, to tell me the last time that any white criminals in Barbados were not only arrested , but prosecuted and jailed so that they pay for their crimes, and when was the last time you heard anyone in Barbados, black or minority white say that a black youth or youths were innocent until proven guilty..”

    Your point of there being a system of apartheid when it comes to justice in Barbados is undeniably valid. But you need to ask yourself who is ‘constitutionally’ in charge of the legal and justice systems in the mini apartheid state. Certainly not the melanin deficient ones!

    Before you go ‘blaming’ the thrash passing for white just look at the racial hue of those ‘administering the system from the law enforcers to the justice dispensers even to the penal caretakers.
    When you do you will see exactly where the ‘blackened’ corruption lies. As you already know money can buy you not only justice but also exemption from the law in Barbados. Just ask the jada man.

  26. Seven Seas Avatar
    Seven Seas

    miller – tek JADA out of your mouth sunshine. you knows sumtin about bjerkhamn and how dem does get contracts???????

  27. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Seven Seas | April 15, 2014 at 2:30 PM |

    You have proven the point.

    Stop blaming the whites. Look for those on the take.
    Whites and other ethnic groups can become rich and be above the law in a black governed country called Barbados only with the clear collusion and corruption of the blacks in charge and stupid consumers who will always remain the gloried “educated” civil servants and hewers of wood in those fields still beyond recall.

  28. Seven Seas Avatar
    Seven Seas

    If Cahill Energy is really just a shop front for Bjerkhamn, Lowe, D Boyce and Sinker then where does the blame lie?

  29. BUPPS Avatar
    BUPPS

    Another thread gone off on an irrelevant tangent.
    St. George is correct re the mortgage process. Stage pmts/draw downs are advanced by the lender based on validation by the lender’s QS.
    DD should follow his own advice.

  30. David Avatar
    David

    Is DD questioning the normal mortgage process or the arrangment which government has with the private contractor.

  31. BUPPS Avatar
    BUPPS

    His 2nd paragraph suggest he is referring to the typical mortgage process.

  32. David Avatar
    David

    Is there sufficient information about the model Senator McClean referenced in her comment. What are the details of the model?

  33. BUPPS Avatar
    BUPPS

    There is nothing new about the model Sen. McClean mentioned. It is standard in most building contracts where a developer is providing houses from a set of model units.
    Eastern Land Developments, Welches Grove, Port St. Charles all used variations of this model

  34. John Avatar
    John

    What amazes me is that no one has figured out up to now that construction is a dead end economic activity …. even although the price of sand has doubled!!!

    I can understand most people missing the point about water I have made repeatedly but sand is about as in your face as it gets.

  35. David Avatar
    David

    @BUPPS

    A read of the Advocate article gives the impression this a new model based on the Senator’s rapture reflected in the tenor of the article.

  36. David Avatar
    David

    @John

    There are other companies experimenting with coral sand, Sir Cow heads the list.

  37. BUPPS Avatar
    BUPPS

    @ David
    It is new for the Gov’t/NHC as they have traditionally built houses i.e Lancaster etc and only made them available on completion.
    This approach places a tremendous strain on the cash flow of the developer which might explain among other reasons why the NHC is insolvent.

  38. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ John
    What amazes me is that no one has figured out up to now that construction is a dead end economic activity …. even although the price of sand has doubled!!!
    ++++++++++++++
    That can only amaze you because you continue to take BU David’s optimistic approach to the assessment of Bajans.
    …the Brass Bowls only amaze Bushie in that we have managed to remain alive to this point…

  39. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Corruption always seems to the order of the day in these government and private housing projects.

    Miller………I know you missed this part of my first comment..

    “that shit gotta stop and it starts with the politicians, DPP and police who like to give white criminals on the island a free pass and get out of jail free card..”

    I did concede that it’s the fault of the above who act like the bad carbon copy trying to pass for ‘whites’ in Barbados are really white……..and that the bad carbon copy only get to parade on the island because of the same idiots we know as public officials, as well as the population.

    It’s just that Guest gave me an opportunity to stomp all over his/her ass, and I took it, just could not resist. What pisses me off, not anger in the conventional way, is that if you draw any parallels between the treatment to the majority blacks, said treatment being meted out by blacks, which is unfair in contrast to how the ‘whites’ believe they should be treated, and are treated in a majority black country, you are labeled a racist and get this, most often by the same idiot blacks who are discriminated against by their own black people in favor of what is trying to pass for white in Barbados, it’s nasty and disgusting and shameful Miller.

  40. Sanky Avatar
    Sanky

    @Like it is; said……..”let’s see how the prosecutor/DPP handles this…

    From Barbados Today:
    “Promptly rising to his feet, Sargeant Burnett told the court that normally in cases of this nature where the charge was so serious, he would definitely have objected to any bail, but he could not do so on this occasion because “MY SUPERIOR OFFERED BAIL” (my emphasis)

    So how you think this will be handled. We won’t even know what ever became of the case.

  41. Due Diligence Avatar
    Due Diligence

    Thanks to Hants suggestion DD did some further investigating, and it appears I made the incorrect assumption that the Project at Oxnards is a conventional home building project.

    My further investigation (Google Search) led me to a book titled Low-cost Housing in Barbados: Evolution Or Social Revolution, published in 2001 by UWI, Mona Campus in Jamaica, and printed in Canada,

    It can be viewed at:

    http://books.google.ca/books?id=k2kiaI1lDu8C&pg=PA273&lpg=PA273&dq=oxnards+barbados&source=bl&ots=DCSHM3mBZf&sig=ibjEG1phVtWBKKPQJ1lCofCyebk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=C3BNU7CPHNO72QXftYHgBw&ved=0CGkQ6AEwCzgK#v=onepage&q=oxnards%20barbados&f=false

    It makes for some interesting, if dated, reading.

    At pages 262 to 274 the book discusses Government housing, including at Oxnards, 1980 to 1986.

    As David suggested there is insufficient information about the model Senator McClean referenced in her comment.; nor do we have details of the Project at Oxnards. I am just guessing, but it seems likely to me that the Project at Oxnards to which the Senator refers, is an effort to build out 73 NHC lots; but correct me it I am wrong.

    In any event I believe it is wishful thinking for the Senator to think that a person buying a house at Oxnards will be able to get their mortgage approved to provide for staged draws on a lot on which title is held by NHC, so they will be able to make staged payments to the small contractor.

    We are not talking Port St. Charles or Welches Grove here.

  42. Well Well Avatar
    Well Well

    Due……it’s more heated boxes with cost over runs, everyone as usual looking to line their pockets at taxpayer’s expense.

    So what is new with this DPP (i guess the DPP’s masters would be the ministers of government) and officials who would sell their very souls and their own people for money, status or just to believe the myth that they are accepted by the minorities who no one in their right minds would want to be associated with and be seen as a sell out or a servant of people who view themselves as superior……..but that’s just me, it’s been going on for so long on the little dot of an island it’s now part of the landscape in Barbados

  43. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad

    CLEAR TITLE AND FRAUD TITLE BY WAY OF DBLP AND LAWYERS, SIR ,JUDGES , COURT, LAND SURVEYORS , H&L,

    SIX mens 1840 J.L Briggs Esq Owner
    Six mens 1840 JW Clarke S.L.S 240 Acres 1 rood SLS
    Six mens 1845 JW Clarke SLS
    Six Mens , 1870 JW Clarke S .D
    Six Mens 1913 CHANDLER , OWNER BARBADOS LIBRARY
    Six Mens 1920 BOOK Sir Wm. K Chandler OWNER
    Six Mens 1916 LW Clarke S.S
    Six Mens 1926 Mount Sixmens CO LTD, lawyers HUTCHINGSON& BANFIELD ST JAMES STREET B’TOWN CITY ST MICHAEL WITNESS, D.G BANFIELD , E.D MOTTLEY = CLEAR TITLE
    Six Mens 1926 sold to Beatrice Henry Owner CLEAR TITLE
    Six Mens 1991 Welch SLS
    Six Mens 1992 Belgrade SLS
    WILL OF BEATRICE HENRY 1984 WRITTEN BY SIR SLEEPY SMITH, WHO HAD TO CALL HER AUNT BEATRICE.=FAMILY he a Fraud also
    Six Mens 1985 Will to Violet Beckels Owner
    WILL PROBATE 1986 HIGH COURT
    Six Mens 1985 which is to be Acquired for Housing Development surveyed for the Ministry of Housing Development 120.188sq meters ,Land Surveyor T B Broome =Fraud
    LAWYER FRAUD CARRINGTON& SEALY= 238 ACRES 3 ROODS 35 PERCHES
    Six Mens 2000 MOUNT SIXMENS LTD FRAUD
    Six Mens 2000 The CROWN FRAUD
    Six Mens 2010 Owner Violet Beckles
    Six Mens 2014 Heirs of Violet Beckles
    LOOK OUT FOR JENNIFER CAROLINE EDWARDS

  44. Sargeant Avatar
    Sargeant

    I believe that the point has been proven about the purchasing and mortgaging of homes in Barbados which is contrary to “Due Diligence’s” assumptions which read suspiciously like the process in Canada.
    However the following has me scratching my head:

    [b]“When the home is completed, the home buyer goes back to the lender which has committed to the mortgage to draw down the advance of the mortgage – the final 75% of the purchase price – assuming he still qualifies for the mortgage. (if he has lost his job he probably will not qualify)”.[/b]

    I thought that qualification for a mortgage it was done at the front end not at the back end as “DD” hypothesizes, it would be a poor lender who waited until the end of the process to determine whether someone qualified for a mortgage.

  45. John Avatar
    John

    I have a 1950 agreement where the children of William Kellman Chandler and their mother agreed to convey Alleynedale (~701 acres) and Portland Plantations (~ 177 acres) to Alleynedale and Portland Estates Ltd.

    They did this for no cash but in exchange for shares in the company AND an undertaking by the company that the company would pay, satisfy, discharge and fulfill all the debts, liabilities, contracts and engagements of the vendors in relation to the plantations and premises and shall indemnify them against all proceedings claims and demands in respect thereof.

    This is a pretty standard method used by families when they chose for whatever reasons (eg tax or liability) to incorporate a limited liability company and convey their property and business undertakings to it.

    Alleynedale and Sixmens are referred together suggesting that in 1950, the children of Sir William Kellman Chandler and his widow considered SixMens to be theirs.

    This would be one of the conflicts which would need to be overcome in convincing a court that Six Men’s was in fact the property of Beatrice Henry.

    Here is the schedule lifted from that agreement.

    “ALL THAT certain group of sugar plantations known as PORTLAND situate in the parish of Saint Peter and Island aforesaid containing altogether by admeasurement Three hundred and twenty-four acres three roods seven perches or thereabouts comprising the plantation known as PORTLAND containing One hundred and seventy-seven acres three roods eight perches the plantation or place called GRANDVIEW containing Thirty one acres three perches; the plantation called MEANWELL containing Fourteen acres two roods twenty-five perches; the plantation or place called ADVENTURE containing Sixty-six acres one rood eleven perches; and the plantation called SMALL HOPE containing Thirty-five acres; the same being contiguous to each other and bounding as a whole on lands of Welchtown, The Castle, Oxford, Ebworth, Pleasant Hall, Mount Brevitor and Mount Prospect plantations, on lands of several small freeholders and on the public road or however else the same is abutting ….

    …… AND SECONDLY ALL THAT certain other group of sugar plantations called ALLEYNEDALE and SIXMENS situate in the parishes of Saint Peter and Saint Lucy containing by admeasurement Seven hundred and one acres one rood nineteen perches or thereabouts comprising the plantation called ALLEYNEDALE HALL containing Two hundred and ninety-five acres; the plantation called FARRE’S containing Fifty-five acres one rood thirty-seven perches the plantation called HOPELAND containing One hundred and eleven acres one rood thirty perches; and the plantation called SIX MENS with the tenantry thereto containing Two hundred and thirty-nine acres one rood thirty-two perches; the said plantations being contiguous to each other and abutting as a whole on Ebworth, Oxford, Mount Gay, Fairfield Cane Garden, Bourbon, Dooleys, Colleton, Maynards and Rosehill plantations on the seashore and on the public road or however else the same is a butting Together with all buildings and erections of every kind thereon.”

    I find the mention of the numerous small plantations incorporated to makeup the larger plantation quite fascinating. Not too many people have ever heard of them or know of their whereabouts.

    It looks as though Farre’s Plantation may have been acquired by Government ….. now known as Farr’s Children’s Home.

  46. PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad Avatar
    PLANTATION DEEDS FROM 1926 TO 2014 , MASSIVE FRAUD ,LAND TAX BILLS AND NO DEEDS OF BARBADOS, BLPand DLP=Massive Fruad

    The DBLP government have to back their own crooked land and housing deals, No one or External Banks or investors will risk dealing with fraud,
    The World have seen what happen to Madoff and Standford ,
    The IMF have to stupid to not bring it to their own attention , Unless some of the members have homes here also,.
    When ever the government change and let the Bajan and World know the truth and go by law, The Adjustment will be on the rich people that know and knw better,
    As even seen in America the poor cant not pay the rich people taxes and make things work,
    When taxes are removed we will see where they all stand , The Minister get a pay hike and we all get the Bill right before and after elections.
    The big bribe is housing in the face of people who now cant even afford low income housing, Low income housing need to be based on the working poor who most get about $6.25 an hour at 40 hours a week. After bus cost and some times food there is nothing to pay but COURTS AND WATER AND LIGHT BILL,
    Next Elections will be on the necks of the DBLP government ,
    We are so glad for BU Keeping records , so those who talk she-it can go back in time and read,Barbados is built on land fraud and taxes ,
    Remove them and we will see the naked Truth.
    We are the ones you have been waiting for , There is no one else to do this but us.

  47. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    At last there is a “counter claim” on BU re. one plantation (Sixmens) that Deeds claims his family has clear title to through Violet Beckles (deceased) but which John now claims was included in a land deal in 1950 (after Beatrice had obtained clear title to it in 1926, according to Deeds)

    Did the Chandler’s have clear title to Six Men’s in 1950? Was the title to the land reacquired by the Chandler’s between 1926 and 1950?

    The document that John quotes does not appear to be treating directly with the individual parcels that made up the extensive holdings involved in the incorporation of the Chandler’s Limited Liability Company but surely, there should be some legal documentation on the titles to those parcels in such a massive deal as appears to have gone down in 1950.

    Any lawyers care to comment anonymously as to the claims of both sides as is given in this BU thread? Do the claims on BU hint at possible early shenanigans that predate Deeds’ claims of modern skullduggery by the DBLP and most lawyers in Barbados? Was there serious early laxity in the land registry system in Barbados?

    For now, Deeds appears to this non-lawyer to be out front in this particular case so far.

    Very Interesting!

  48. newblodd Avatar
    newblodd

    I

    I am sure maxine has a mortgage so she knows the process of acquiring one.

  49. The People's Democratic Congress Avatar
    The People’s Democratic Congress

    To the CUP leader

    Your 7:45, April 15 post, is a brilliant one.

    Our fight to redress an absolute and horrific injustice against the fundamental interests of the estate of Violet Beckles will NEVER die.

    Victory comes calling.

    PDC

  50. are-we-there-yet Avatar
    are-we-there-yet

    NewBlodd
    Yuh sure? has or had? But I’m with Maxine on this one.

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