Emmanuel Joseph, Barbados Today
…Loveridge immediately left the room and disappeared. He had earlier asked two other questions, even though the host made it clear only one question per person. Those questions were considered in order and were politely answered… (Barbados Today)
The inaccurate reporting by Emanuel Joseph of Barbados Today this week which occurred during the Q&A session at the monthly business luncheon of the Barbados Chamber of Commerce brings into focus the role of media in a democracy. Of interest to BU has been the deafening silence by local media to what maybe described as a breech of ethics by a senior and experienced reporter. Some will question BU’s description of Emmanuel Joseph as a experienced reporter given his association with the stalled Investigator newspaper. For any discipline to remain strong there is a degree of self-censorship which must rear its head. Sadly given the state of local media breeches to journalism ethics and standards routinely go unchallenged.
To repeat what commonsense tells us, we need the local media to feed civil society with quality information; the result, Barbadians are able to make informed decisions. If we cannot depend on the reportage of the local media, we become a society of the ignorant and uninformed, unable to make good decisions, then the repeated adage becomes applicable, garbage in (media) garbage out (uninformed decisions by citizenry). An active Fourth Estate must therefore be the eyes and ears of citizens who lack the specialization and resources to be ‘fully aware’. This is true if we appreciate the behemoth and labyrinth design of a key member of civil society – government.
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Listen to BCCI Luncheon (Butch Stewart/Compliments Adrian Loveridge
The local media is controlled by government and a narrow private interest. There is the CBC (government owned), Barbados Advocate (government controlled), Nation Group of Companies (OneMedia) and Barbados Today (Harris et al). An examination of the ownership mix of local media one cannot avoid the perception that editorial independence is heavily compromised. It is one reason which explains the rise of BU and other outlets using the social media platform.
Some say it is impossible to expect a credible media in small countries like a Barbados to take root. The familial and incestuous nature of small societies create the obvious challenge. Compounding the issue for Barbados is the lack of a vibrant association of journalists to promote the aims and ideals of the profession; to act as a support for media practitioners who have to operate in a challenging environment. A further lament is the dearth of financial reporting. The current state of the economy demands our media and others in civil society step up to ensure Barbadians are well informed on matters of a financial nature. We do not want news which is manipulated or inaccurate.
One way Barbadians have compensated for the state of media in Barbados has been the rise in the use of the social media platform. What will happen in quick time is the dismantling of traditional media sources whether the traditionalists like it or not. While there is the good and bad of social media BU has a dream that it will force a credible system of government to emerge.
The public interest is defined as representing a plurality of voices both through a greater number of outlets and through the diversity of views and voices reflected within one outlet – Centre for Democracy and Governance
Why did Joseph report that Mr Loveridge departed in haste after a section of the crowd cheered on by the table with Donville, according to a BU contributor? Mr Loveridge’s account was confirmed by the BU contributor. So why not just say sorry and let us move on?
Goodness me!
@Kevin
Do you understand the difference between government controlled and government owned?
Political power by the way, is the power to shape the opinion of a mass of people. It is a means to execute a public relations campaign (that protects the status quo). That is all. Politicians therefore are the people who possess the guts to stand in front of a crowd and talk what ever shite is needed for the time. These people however do not have what it takes to make fundamental change. This is probably why there is the need to advertise the relevance of a 375 year old institution that has engaged in the creation and maintenance of laws that enslaved people and kept others in various levels of servitude. This it did for the far greater part of its existence. The media is merely an extension of all this.
If one is to survive in the game, one must be aware of who actually pays the bills. Joseph bucked the system and was given a second chance. He won’t make that mistake again …
BTW Prodigal …
Min. Donville is NOT one to clap at others misfortune … People around him may have been guilty of doing shite, but Min Donville knows the how to differentiate. Feel free to accuse him of anything else of course ..
@BAFBFP
LOL Boy every man got a price. You slip showing.
Of all the mistruths, untruths and cheerleading that passes for journalism in Barbados it is poor Emmanuel who gets sent to the penalty box for annoying tourism guru Loveridge.
Emmanuel reported that Loveridge left the meeting and reading between the lines the words” to lick his wounds” was left out. Loveridge wrote that he sat down ( he didn’t say properly chastened). Someone appropriately named “fly on the Wall” ’wrote that Loveridge didn’t leave and for good measure he threw in that the cheering (applause) that followed came from a section where Donville Inniss was sitting. Forgive me for thinking that somehow this individual wanted to associate Donville with the cheering..
Now, BAFBFB who unlike George Washington never cut down a cherry tree is willing to swear that Donville would never laugh at another’s misfortune.
Hmmmnnnn Donville was reported to have heckled Duguid so much that he lost his cool and mentioned a few expletives deleted in the HOA when the subject of paternity of well I will spare the details. (BTW Duguid was reported to be leaving politics to take up residence in TO) Duguid should come up and start a chapter of the BLP as the DLP has the market covered
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Does anyone have the video?
@Sarge
It seems like you have the video so why ask for the video?
As always the bigger thrust of the blog escapes you.
How is Advocate ‘government-owned?’
i.e ——-Bizzy and COW et al OWNS the Government
i.e……….Bizzy and COW et al CONTROLS the Government.
Boy Blue;
Wow! Nice!!
Not one of the black leaders/politicians in Barbados impress me, they have managed to bamboozle the voters time and again and get hero-worship for being little more than pimp title holders and messengers of buckingham palace, when they actually become head of state of their own island, maybe i will finally be impressed, until then all see them forever doing is continue to have their egos massaged by a population most of whom know no better.
Those who are aware should never stop shaming this crowd of politicians who it seems only aspire to copy their masters in taking advantage of their own people as opposed to working for their salaries and making their people finally free mentally from the colonial crap…..I believe at one time Arthur gave lip service to the word republic, but i guess it sounded good at the time, i may be wrong, but he had quite enough time to get out of the grasp of someone else’s head of state status, Dominica did it and other islands also, what is Barbados afraid of, is it finally becoming independent or no longer having the present illusion to depend on?
I am not a big fan of governmental control but in some cases, it is important to have some measure of governmental oversight to ensure accountability. There are so many examples that I can point to in an effort to validate what I am trying to convey here. Governmental oversight would be useful in Barbados to prevent monopoly. I am assuming of course that there aren’t any monopoly laws on the books in Barbados.
Ha ha .. my slip showing .. ha ha .. Look, Donville is a lot of things, but foolish is NOT one of them. He is NOT, as a public official (International business to boot), going to sit among the VIPs of the Merchant world and be seen cheering on the chastising of a contributor to the national product. I’ve defended him on the porn foolishness, and I will defend him on this clapping thing too. I was there and truthfully no one at either the Williams or Cave Sheperd’s tables or the one that i was at clapped… ! Donville may have been positioned in the wrong part of the room .. that’s all.
@Ruffin
aka waiting and hippie et al,,,liar extraordinaire!
All of those businessmen are arrogant including Adrian Loveridge so he should have expected that retort from Butch Stewart.
It great you all now getting the picture on who owns what and who, At first was looking to see if Tony Best for me this Best name fits right in this mess, Paid and bought in full . We only talk about who we know and live what they did or did not do first hand.
Welcome to PLANTATION DEEDS WORLD. When speaking the truth as we find it and others look to block it ,
Now look to see who is blocking the last 100 years of Barbados history and making sure we deal with slavery and flying fish ,
Bizzy and COW running all over the lands of Beatrice Henry and Violet Beckles
Where are the Investigative Reports of Barbados? Sorry all bought and paid for by MIA , Owen , COW, the Banks ,,,,, Suckers for the next round of Voting,,,,, Wake your asses up , and open your eyes,
We will keep the lights on for you All , until such time is no longer needed,
BAFBFP you were there so was I, been attending since Bizzy Williams rude shouting down of the late Dr, Carl Clarke. Many of us there couldn’t care less if the Williams’ clapped or not. COW garner $100 million from GOB in past six years he doesn’t care if Loveridge get bewze or not . He and Bizzy care about grabbing multi million contracts to build out Beaches and Sandals. Why for christ sakes would the reporter fabricate the story that Loveridge scurried away with his tail between his legs after Butch insulted him. Stronger people than Loveridge would act similarly. Loveridge is a widely disliked person among his hotel and private sector comrades. That is a fact. Its not surprising the audience cheered when he received his comeuppance from Butch. Loveridge biggest backer is BU he is embraced by BU within the context of a dark not so hidden agenda.
so the reporter said that loveridge exit the building,,,,,,,,,,,,,,so what’s the big deal,,,,,,,, the attacks on the news reporter are childish coming from bratty and spoiled adults .who believe that nobody has a right to say any thing negative about them,,,,,,,just listen to the tone of the comments of those supporting what now can be ascribed to loveridge as a..spoiled brat ; caught with his hand in the cookie jar,,,,so funny that now that the’damaged shoe’ is on the other foot ‘king david’ of bu comes along with pen in hand to rescue loveridge ,,, booo boo,,ha! ha!.
What was the question asked and would the answer have been of interest to Bajans?
now it seems like the question was not all that important after alll, since the focus and attention has been turned to loveridge embarrassment,,which should say a lot about the hypocrisy of it all and the intent of the question,,,,,a question or spectacle ….. one thing that is certain this debacle has now turned into a circus show
John,
‘Most of your revenue is collected offshore. When we stayed there (Sandals Barbados) in December, we paid by credit card through a subsidiary in the United States, when do you decide what proportion comes back to Barbados’.
There is also the VAT element (which should be paid for by guests). No VAT or credit card processing receipt was available. When I asked for a VAT receipt I was told there was no VAT element as payment was collected offshore.
I believe these are questions that in view of the extraordinary unilateral concession granted to the Sandals companies, the taxpayer has a right to answers.
Why Adrian Why? Why bother to get involved, it seems a lot of Barbados is suffering from Munchausen syndrome reveling in their misfortune and the attention that is given to them because of it. You have made your money, maybe it is time to leave the dark side and enjoy life The problem with Bajans they will believe you if you say there a four billion stars in the sky but will check if you say the paint is wet. Never worrying about the real problems but more than happy to be overly critical about the minutia Being a Scotsman I am very interested to see which Stewart, Stuart will make out the best. Like we say Lord we do not pray for you to give us wealth…. just show us where it is.
I was in Barbados but due to a previous appointment, was unable to attend The Chamber of Commerce luncheon on February 26th where Butch Stewart spoke to the members and invited guests. The draw of meeting old friends was greater than listening to Mr Stewart.
Having worked for Sandals Resorts for some years, I know that Mr Stewart is not at his best in a public speaking forum. He is better with small groups and even better around a small table playing his favorite game of dominoes.
Sandals & Beaches Resorts is a large organization and having spoken to others who attended this meeting, my opinion is that Mr Stewart should have brought his marketing executives and did a presentation about his sales teams and the type of marketing & PR in which they are involved.
I am confident that all they would be impressed by the manner in which his worldwide sales teams are spread out and more importantly the structure and management of such.
The questions by Mr Loveridge were nonsense and uncalled for as no one has ever asked Cunard, Marriott, Hilton, Couples etc the same. They all receive payments abroad. I should tell you that as a tour operator, bank charges are considerably cheaper when we pay an hotel that has a US bank account in the USA than it is to wire money to Barbados. My company sells many hotels in the Caribbean – including Sandals & Beaches Resorts and for most of them we pay their banks in Miami.
Before arriving in Barbados, I read a lot on the internet about Barbados’s tourism gloom. I spent 10 days on the island and I want you to know that the hospitality that Bajans is known for still exists. From immigration to car rental and from restaurants to banks, this euphoria is not only my view but in talking to visitors, the overall feeling is happiness and they all want to return.
Yes, there is more to be done to increase the number of visitors to the island but I do not think that throwing rocks at the Sandals Chairman will solve this. He is one of the keys to opening the doors for Barbados. Is it not time that Barbadians in general and Barbadian hoteliers in particular welcomed Sandals with open arms instead of criticizing Mr Stewart and his team for negotiating well with the Government?
@Andrew
Leakage of foreign exchange has been a perennial problem, one which successive governments have not had the appetite to battle? The issue here is Barbados Today admitting that Adrian did NOT leave the room after the Q&A which does not ignore Adrian’s right to ask any question he thought relevant as a person who has worked the business for many years. How are you able to compare the management companies you mentioned to what has transpired so far with Sandals and Beaches?
Andrew,
Nonsense!!
Which of the companies you mentioned (Cunard, Marriott, Hilton and Couples) received the same unilateral extraordinary concessions as the Sandals group have been given?
Nonsense!
Simple math,
Sun plus Sea plus booze equals euphoria,
@adrian
Get over the concessions. This is history.
May I suggest that the BHTA sits down with Mr Stewart and see how he can help them to get the AA flight from NYC back to BGI.
Because Sandals includes transfers, they get their clients flight details and so know exactly how much business they give the airlines. In my day, AA was a significant contributor.
@Andrew
Do yo believe if people like Adrian, the BHTA, Intimate Hotels and Butch himself had not advocated for across the board concessions that the government would have relented on this issue?
@Andrew
Of course we can view issue from different perspectives and this is part of what makes the world spin around. Leaking forex in the hospitality industry has been a big problem over the years, one which ordinary Barbadians are NOT even aware. The best time to address the issue maybe now, guava season. Mind you leaking forex takes place in the import sector as well where many of our merchants have set up shell companies offshore to invoice local. This is another issue which media have shown a lack of appetite to address.
See what I tell you about these ‘waiting to fall from the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table’ leeches. Unable to attend the meeting but could state emphatically that Mr Loveridge’s questions were nonsense; clearly a square peg in a round hole singing for his supper.
@David
There is not much that you and I disagree about.
Adrian has every right do ask what he wants. Its freedom of speech.
However as the time was short at this event, don’t you think that more relevant questions could have been asked?
Andrew,
Perhaps if you had invested your life savings and nearly 26 years, owing and operating a hotel on Barbados, you might feel differently about the concessions?
@David
I believe that Mr Stewart was in the right place at the right time.
Knowing the Sandals organisation as I do, I must tell you that there is absolutely no comparison between Sandals & Adrian, Ralph Taylor, Sandy Lane or any other Barbadian hotelier.
The marketing power that they have is outstanding but I am not here to defend them, simply to ask which Barbadian hotel has sales offices in the USA, UK, Canada, Italy, Germany, France, Russia, Denmark, Spain & Portugal, Brasil, Argentina, Mexico & Columbia?
@Andrew
Agree with your last comment about the marketing might Sandals/Beaches will bring to Barbados. However we expect our government/BTA to negotiate the best deal for Barbados and this is what the conversation is about. The day we accept deals made by government and say nothing is the day we live in a dictatorship. There is absolutely no doubt that Butch assessed that many of the islands are broke and as investors with deep pockets will do they will take advantage. This is where our local media must step up and pressure government on behalf of the people, don’t be passive.
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p align=”justify”>Adrian posted he was at a table with several others and he provided the email addresses contact info which Barbados Today should be able to easily verify. Why would they refuse to correct the error? It smacks of yellow journalism in the making. Let us hope Kaymar curbs here inclination to increase he pay out from the slush fund and avoid a repeat of the Nation.
BAF
I wasn’t there. Actually I couldn’t care less. But I believe you and would ever place you before a horde of “honourable men”. (And this mind despite light years of neglect).
BAF
I would love to have read your porn defence. Maybe David will play it again. The wonderful thing about porn is that it tells us that our own little fantasies are not peculiar to us and so saves us from barrow loads of misplaced guilt….a bit like having sex before marriage.
Plantation……..Bizzy and Cowpat have run their course, latest news, the North American company Colony who they joined with in a bid to move forward 4 Seasons, have pulled out, the four seasons sham will be their undoing, when the Williams’ and Bjerkham stop treating Barbados and Bajans like a piece of meat to be fought over to continually enrich themselves and perpetrate an illusion of superiority, on the island, maybe, just maybe, things will start to work out, then again they have Karma to deal with because of all they have stolen (lands) from the elderly and others with the help of scum lawyers on the island…….lol
Sorry, David and Andrew, I am enjoying your debate, please don’t stop.
No DEED No DEAL , NO clear title DBLP
By Roy R. Morris | Sun, March 02, 2014 – 12:08 AM
http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/off-season/
Adrian
I like to go back to first principles.
Of course the question was relevant.
I shudder at the response!!
Show men give me the creeps.
We’ll see what happens over the next year … if we don’t have another Paradise on our hands.
Then is when the question may become irrelevant …. God forbid!!
I am sure Sandals had plenty marketing muscle back in the days of Paradise …. but that was irrelevant then …. just as it is now.
Yours is the relevant question at the moment!!
I don’t know why we don’t stop talking about the Four Seasons Project. That is a lost cause. The mobilization cost for that project will be enormous. The steel which has been exposed for 5 or more years will obviously have to be removed. Essentially, buildings will have to be demolished and all this has to be undertaken. Therefore, we are looking at millions of dollars before one even gets into the heart of the project. Couple that with the fact that Four Seasons are closing hotels all over the world and what we have is a investment disaster.
That project can only be restarted if we find someone who is either looking to launder some money or some Arab who got pocket change to throw away.
Re: Four Seasons
What will be the MoF’s response to the latest development?
The restarting of the Four Seasons project must be a factor in our effort to move the economy forward. How do we adjust for this latest setback?
What about the CLICO info reported in the Nation today, how do we feel about so much of our ‘hills and valleys’ finding its way into foreign hands?
….and did you see why Colony pulled out? From the Nation:
“they were said to be gearing up to start work with Jada and C O Williams as the main contractors but reportedly there were disagreements in some quarters over the procurement of materials for the project”.
Who would like to place a bet that Colony wanted to import materials direct from the US themselves (presumably duty free through concessions) but fell out with Jada who wanted to sell everything through Jada group companies?
Andrew, agreed but only ONE other question was asked (Patrick Hoyos) and Mr. Stewart refused to answer that as well.
As one who has been accused of “not getting it” by none other than “David”, let me launch another salvo in the “not getting it” series.
Leading the charge In this saga is none other than Loveridge who feels he is the only bright light in the room when it comes to the subject of tourism, he ran afoul of his most recent supporters ( BLP) when they were in Gov’t and he has encountered the same difficulties at the hands of the DLP.
Loveridge criticised the concessions that Stewart was able to negotiate out of the Barbados Gov’t and he was joined by the BHTA which is a trade association of the Hotel industry who in a word said we want whatever Butch received. Never mind that concessions are de riguer for attracting new investment opportunities in most jurisdictions and Gov’t’s almost never apply those same concessions to long established manufacturers/business operators. Who cares if the Gov’t was operating with its back against the wall or who cares that Sandals is an International brand that is known worldwide and a rising tide will float their boat.
Then Loveridge who loves to be centre of attention plays investigative reporter/cum amateur detective and checks himself into one of the Sandals properties and breathlessly reports that he couldn’t find a drop of Barbados rum and furthermore his bookings was handled offshore so the VAT will not be reaching Gov’t coffers. I don’t know anything about finances of tour or hotel operators but many tour operators book and settle all payments in International currencies and US is still the most widely recognized of the International currencies.
Then there is the Party apologists from the opposition who are in Loveridge’s corner because any criticism of Gov’t is manna to them and his detractors come mainly from the Gov’t side and support the decision as sound Gov’t policy. There is very little debate or analysis on whether the newish entrant in the tourism marketplace is good or bad for the long term economy in Barbados.
Finally there are a few who have sustained psychological damage over the turn of events in the past few years, a feeling of not being “maîtres chez nous”( masters in our own house), they have seen the sale of BNB and the swallowing up of the island’s largest conglomerate by the Trinidadians and now a Jamaican is about to cast his rather large shadow over the island’s bread and butter. This group is afraid that they are living Errol Barrow’s words that one morning they will wake up and find that the island is no longer theirs, that the pot they had to piss in has disappeared.
@Sargeant
Perhaps in your thesis you could have addressed why Barbadians generally are not known for their advocacy. In fact the opposite, to be passive, is true. Whether Adrian loves the spotlight is not the issue, it is his query you need to address. Then again social commentators and advocates will always offend the passive and conservative Bajan.
David
I wonder whether that’s true – that Barbadians are not generally known for their advocacy. My own view is that pretty well everyone is an acknowledged expert to himself and rarely listens to the views of others or, if he does, rarely evaluates. He hears but does not listen. The ‘passivity’ comes with the ensuing inertia – the failure to put the body where the mouth is – well, except BT who wants to take me out. So, we shout our mouths off, but don’t march. We square up, but throw no punch.
Serjeant
Do please keep the “not getting it” series going.
@David,
Oh sorry, read it wrong. But same question, how is the Advocate govt controlled?
@Kevin
You can monitor and assess for yourself or take BU’s word.
Yuh gotta LOL @ Sargeant….
The man is a TYPICAL Bajan then….
-He never openly criticizes any authorities…somehow he feels that is not his place….
-He has issues with anyone who dares to offer any such criticisms
He is always disposed to believe the official line….
Shiite then….the man is so conservative that in choosing a nom de plume he opts for “Sargeant”.(mine is not to reason why)…when he could easily have been a captain – or colonel like Buggy….
@ Sargeant
Man give it a rest do…. Don’t you know that it has ALWAYS been foreigners who came here to fight our battles for us…?
…ever heard of Clement Payne?
…Dennis Johnson?.. (never mind um is Gairy who chase him here 🙂 )
…well ….Adrian is the same thing.
Bushie may not always agree with Adrian, but he is not a brass bowl to sit back and let authorities piss all over him…..yuh haffa respect that!
…of course when yuh say one thing yuh gotta say the next…perhaps we have been blessed before because of our ability to turn the other cheek….and to soak up the piss….
4Seasons not restarting is as much related to currency risk as anything else. The IMF mentioned devaluation numerous times in their recent report and we hear the FX reserves drop by $180 million in 2 recent months. Who would invest money with that background looming? The Sandals investment is going to be made in refurbishing over the next number of years while tourists who were booked with the previous hotel are being siphoned off to other Sandlal locations. and that money is not going to be seen in Barbados. Sandlas “investment” at the moment is likely to drain FX from Barbados and not generate it. In Two years we will know the rest of the story.
Robert its easy to spot the pacifists in Barbados, they don’t drive
SITH | March 2, 2014 at 1:44 PM |
4Seasons not restarting is as much related to currency risk as anything else
If Mr Stewart is such a miracle man, why not give him another set of concessions to get Four Seasons off the ground. After all, it was on that location he intended to start in the first place.
I find this response from Kaymar rude and disingenuous. There is certainly evidence that Mr Joseph report was full of errors. Why not say sorry and move on?
I am a bit disappointed in Kaymar, though…….she is someone I have always admired and supported during her spat with the jealous women at the Nation. Joseph is wrong…. Say so and move on!
David “What about the CLICO info reported in the Nation today, how do we feel about so much of our ‘hills and valleys’ finding its way into foreign hands?”
Ask the Clico policy holders if they care. They want their money returned and if it is Canadians who stepping up so be it.
David I respect your “principles” but Clico policy holders should not suck salt for any altruistic reasons.
@Hants
The comment was not meant to be unsympathetic to CLICO policyholders, just to remind all that solving one problem maybe creating another of national import.
@ Andrew
“Is it not time that Barbadians in general and Barbadian hoteliers in particular welcomed Sandals with open arms instead of criticizing Mr Stewart and his team for negotiating well with the Government?”
Negotiating well for whom? Mr. Stewart.
Having recently gone through the same exercise with T&C and Grenada Mr. Stewart had honed his negotiating strategy and techniques; so when he and his team of heavyweight advisors and US lawyers. sat down to “negotiate” with the lightweight three S……’s, Sinkler, Sealy and Stuart, he knew exactly what he wanted that he would get it.
The three S…….’s did not have a a chance
David “solving one problem maybe creating another of national import.”
Then appeal to the local millionaires and billionaires to match or better the Canadian offer.
Same with Four Seasons. Why can’t a consortium be “fused” COWBIZZYJADAINNOTECHRAYSIDE to restart the project by building 1 mansion at a time while finding the resources to build the Hotel.
Doan mine me doh. I ent nuh brainiac like Bushie.
@Hants
These guys are not into risk taking or shifting from a comfort position.
@ David
Foreigners should not be allowed to buy freehold property in Barbados. They do not contribute anything in general to the nation.
What a dilemma Hal your complaint is you have foreigners who buy property and do not contribute to Barbados because they don’t live there
In Canada .
My complaint is we have foreigners who buy property do not contribute anything and do live here
@Hal Austin
Do they not contribute substantial FX? How come we drive on the right hand side of the road? How come we worship the US$ and the Euro?. Get a grip and realize without foreigners investing and spending in Barbados there is not much there
@Hal Austin,
You are very clever
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English footballers and managers as well as some other foreigners who buy mansions as vacation homes may not “contribute anything in general” Barbados……….
Except that they help to keep Barbados as a tourist destination in the news there by adding value with “Branding and Advertising”.
I understand your angst that someone with your intellect and education is not a policy maker in the land of your birth but it is entirely up to you to show your fellow Barbadians the path to true Nation building.
David wrote “These guys are not into risk taking or shifting from a comfort position.”
So who will take the risk to help Barbados in the capitalist environment we are in?
Should we not regard the selling our land in the same way many view the selling of our passport (citizenship)? Are the two not the same? The local media did not give it airplay but who saw the ridiculous scene of and American and Italian representing Dominica. We like it so.
@Hants
Will not work, the policyholders want their cash back.
“Foreigners should not be allowed to buy freehold property in Barbados”
Just like in the Government controlled cemeteries where payment for plots only gives you the ‘right to burial’; no one should have been allowed to own LAND only the ‘right to unfettered occupancy’. Land should belong to the state. Nobody can make Land.
David any solution you can find to stop the sale of land to foreigners I support.
I would also support buying back the land we already sold to foreigners.
Oops. Country broke, have no natural resources so buying back is not an option.
Maybe the solution to Clico is to turn over its assets to the Policy holders and let them create Agribusinesses and profitable housing developments.
Reblogged this on CARIBBEAN VIBE – Whats News.
@Bush T
Bushie may not always agree with Adrian, but he is not a brass bowl to sit back and let authorities piss all over him…..yuh haffa respect that
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You have more in common with Adrian than may think, you believe that everyone whose opinion differs from yours is a brass bowl and he thinks that everybody in the tourism industry with a different take from his is a brass bowl too. His continuous criticism isn’t accepted as the constructive kind but as destructive and easily ignored to the point where he was belittled in front of his peers. (Isn’t that pissing over…..?).
There is criticism in my piece but it is more muted than you are used to or you would like but I didn’t see the point of continually crying over spilt milk. That “punching above our weight” that you adopted never was, but you happily swallowed the Koolaid inherent in that statement and thought that we were a force a force to be reckoned with. Earlier I pointed out that concessions were always part of the attraction to lure businesses to Barbados, EWB did it when he established the Industrial Park on Harbour Road (BTW here is a history lesson that was based on Operation Bootstrap from Puerto Rico…… learned that in 3rd form at the school for fools from Kingo) ) and those brigands up to the time of Intel used up the 5 year exemption before they pulled up stumps and left.
The people in charge may be many things and they are faced with multiple challenges and whether others may handle them more competently is moot at this time so their approach tends to the pragmatic of when life gives you lemons you make lemonade.
To all above,@ You can not solve Problem with lies, telling lies , to listen to liars , The US lawyers know they are liars and just want to see their LIPS move and face, Americans deals and love slave and slavery Niggas in this DBLP government the worse we ever had. Why would the DLP keep covering up for the BLP and MIA , What Bajan Lawyers sat down with the American Lawyer beside the Liar PM,
Until till they learn to tell the truth and stand in front of a mirror they will never know what it looks like .
People who travel knows more about what is going on inside of Barbados than the people who live there.
It maybe better that the Bajans boycott UWI for all them Sir in BIM are LIARS , Name one can name 2 Sir s , that is telling the truth> ??
They see to have Sir Allen Standford titles , PAID FOR titles.
Sir,COW, Sir Ham, Sir Beckles,,Sir Henry, Sir Ford , ,,, Just check what these crooks seem to be hiding …. ,,, Dont for get the Sir that sold out the Union Members lolooololllll Never learn ,
@ Sargeant
…so what exactly are you on about now…?
You do not dispute your conservative predisposition
You do not deny your choice of (low) rank
You do not deny that we look to outsiders to save us…
…your response is that Bushie is a bully…?
Wuh skippa,…. Robert Ross made that point eva since…
…and so what if everyone are brass bowls? …why do you think our whole world is in shambles?? …cause we are all smart?
Perhaps Adrian is similarly correct about our tourism too ….how else do you explain the RESULTS we are seeing…?
You need to focus on rebutting the substantive points Bushie made, rather that trying to focus on cussing a simple bushman messenger…
…who could care less… 🙂
@David
The local media did not give it airplay but who say the ridiculous scene of and American and Italian representing Dominica. We like it so.
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I posted a little snippet about the countries from the Caribbean which were represented in Sochi and for the record Mrs. S got “hurt” in training and Mr. S didn’t get to the first check point in his race.
So much for competing, but at least they got to march with the flag and mingle with the other athletes in the Olympic Village.
@ Prodigal Son | March 2, 2014 at 3:19 PM |
“I find this response from Kaymar rude and disingenuous.”
My sentiments exactly. What a load of tripe. How is an audio and video recording that is directed at the stage going to prove anything ..? All that the Jackass woman has to do is respect the person that she is prepared to speak so highly of and believe him at his word.The arogance of these media pimps is unbelievable …!
Bush Tea
You with this Dennis Johnson foolishness again .. Stupse. Old age.
Ross
You usual compliments .. ha ha ha … Always welcome, bro
David
Sandals is a Private Company that has AGENTS all over the world. Do you NOT think that our Foreign Affairs people should be similarly employed, but to sell everything that Barbados has to offer the rest of the world .. and with the appropriately gifted individuals ..?? What the fcuk does the BTA do ..? Should the BTA not be an umbrella body that consisting only of a very very small number of locally based office assistants and technocrats..?
@BAffy
If we have the network already in place adding a body who is sales focused would add value to the shop for sure. How can one explain Donville Johnson acting as High Commissioner to London because the unmannerly former High Commissioner was FINALLY recalled recently in response to many complaints he was a rude SOB.
@Bushie
You need to focus on rebutting the substantive points Bushie made, rather that trying to focus on cussing a simple bushman messenger
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With the logic displayed in the following “of course when yuh say one thing yuh gotta say the next…” why would I try to rebut your points?
On the other hand you will join Mia on my Xmas book list, her book will be an Oxford & Cambridge dictionary with the word “boycott” underlined and yours will be a first edition on logical and illogical thinking.
Cuss? what cuss? You are too valuable a resource on this blog- as a source of mirth to many and a good foil to AC and Miller.
@Hal A
Foreigners should not be allowed to buy freehold property in Barbados. They do not contribute anything in general to the nation
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That proposition is not as simple as you think, some of the foreigners own or operate businesses in Barbados- think offshore companies. The ability to own property is part of the business decision or they may depart for more welcoming regimes.
David wrote “Will not work, the policyholders want their cash back.”
Barrack wants his cash too and he still waiting.
David I am still waiting for the alternative to managing the economy in its current form.
When the BLP was in office, land was sold ” for its best use” and Bajans were happy with the “construction jobs” and the spinoffs like “portable restaurants.”
Rum shops on the west coast became dining establishments for the construction workers and cheap overseas Bajans lol.
We sailed merrily along on the Tourism and Financial services ship until the recession and a torpedo from Harper hit.
Perhaps our PM should be reminding his Canadian counterpart of fact that Canadian Banks and Canadian Industries have been enjoying unbridled freedom to exploit captive Bajan consumers for the last 50 years.
Uh me we is friends eh!
Let me repeat, Butch will continue to juk out the eyes of Caricom governments because they fail to put structures in place to encourage collaborative bargaining as opposed to competition driven negotiating.
When Sandals Barbados ads appear on North American television we will be able to judge the effect on Tourism.
Let us hope that when Sandals is overbooked guest will be redirected to hotels in Barbados.
In a perfect world Hotels would be offering Butch sweetheart deals to take his overflow.
Stay at another hotel but get shuttled to Sandals any time.
Note that I don’t have a clue about how the hotel business works so anything I say can be considered …….. or not.
Thanks for the info David on the reason the High Commissioner was recalled.
I have a friend who works up there and the person told me……say wat you like about Peter Simmons but every morning that he came into the office, he would pop over to the BTA section to say hello and to inquire on business and the general welcome of staff. The person told me not this HC…..he is just so unmannerly, don’t speak and was just a pig. Donville Johnson spent most of his time away or in Barbados.
What amazed me was the new BMW licensed BDS 1 parked right in front of the door. Being a SOB was not all that he was up there, there is more!
Hey guys all this is fine .. But I truly believe that if a single company can market as Sandals does around the world, a country representing orders of magnitude more interests should be able to accomplish the same thing or better. A doctor has replaced Sandiford in China … What for? What does Barbados have (other than USD) that China can make use of …? huh? Overseas agencies should be engaged in the business of SELLING by any means necessary to people who at least have the potential of an interest in buying. How the hell does Sandiford get away with creating opportunities for Chinese interests in Barbados when still drawing down on the tax payers’ purse …?
@ Baffy
You still with that shiite…?
Those overseas missions represent big jobs for the boys…
What selling what?
Even if we decided to accept your proposal …
Who the hell would we send?
…to sell what?
..and then what would we give out – as rewards to political losers?
Skippa, if you want to do those kind of productive things ….then see if you and Caswell can expedite BUP….
Otherwise, stop dreaming do…
By the time Barbados awakes tomorrow, the Transport Board will be in the news.
Eighteen workers have already been sent home. Added to these, will be 250 who will get their letters tomorrow. The letters were supposed to have been handed out on Friday but due to Agrofest, it was postponed. What a sad time for them.
I wonder what the Duke will say tomorrow???
@Prodigal Son
The figure of 3,000 was announced by government as the number. The BWU went public that there were working towards arriving at the most fair approach to retrench at the TB. What is the problem? Are you suggesting a strike is in the offing?
“The local media did not give it airplay but who saw the ridiculous scene of and American and Italian representing Dominica.”
Ridiculous indeed but I suppose the publicity it might have brought to Dominica as a snow-capped destination would have offset the even stranger spectacle of the appearance of a team from the tropics represented by Europeans.
“I would also support buying back the land we already sold to foreigners”
Why only from Foreigners? Do you own land in Canada?
“Maybe the solution to Clico is to turn over its assets to the Policy holders and let them create Agribusinesses and profitable housing developments.”
Noble but ‘pie-in the sky’ ideas. Don’t you read about the ltany of woes confronting already seasoned and established persons in the Agricultural business. Easy to talk about Agribusinesses and such like from the comfort of the living room but actually in the trenches and facing the challenges of keeping such an enterprise going in this popular fast food market is another matter. Are you aware of the cost of erecting a little 2×3 in Barbados far less a comfortable not extravagant 3 bed 1 bathroom. Pass through Lancaster St James or Parish Land St Philip or Coverley, Christ church. What do you think is the main reason for non-occupancy? Affordability my friend, affordability.
“On the other hand you will join Mia on my Xmas book list, her book will be an Oxford & Cambridge dictionary with the word “boycott” underlined”
Initially I dismissed Ms Mottley’s purported boycott as political par for the course but reading her explanation in her interview with Mr Jordan in yesterday’s Sunday sun her action whether deemed expedient or not does make sense and could be justified in the particular political and economic climate in which we are operating at the moment.
“Prodigal Son | March 3, 2014 at 12:10 AM |
By the time Barbados awakes tomorrow, the Transport Board will be in the news.
Eighteen workers have already been sent home. Added to these, will be 250 who will get their letters tomorrow. The letters were supposed to have been handed out on Friday but due to Agrofest, it was postponed. What a sad time for them.”
Sarge- stop portraying yourself as if you are gloating. its nothing to gloat about. I think by now most of us on the blog would have empathised with your hurt at not regaining the reins of power; but you have only yourselves to blame. The floating vote wanted to see a united BLP and in the interest of the country but your bunch of jokers were not even willing to drop personal idiosyncrasies and step up to the plate in our hour of need. Your inaction might very well consign you to the political dustbin for years to come if perchance by some strange fate things turn around just before the next elections.
The Problem with CLICO is that the assets they may, or might own , do not belong to them , Holding of Plantations land and other things build on the lands do not belong to this Massive Fraud , Most things they can not sell , but they will transfer it to other new companies, friends of crooks.
CLICO was and is still running fraud books , hiding and acting like a good business . All share holders need to get another company , Many titled persons , lawyers and governments see to hold in CLICO as they tell they keep telling others to pay each month.to their profit,
Clico seem to be running like LAIT at this time , Liat make no money? but can get loans for millions to buy new planes,While the workers get nothing but their work,As the government makes it money by taxing fuel , landing fee , VAT and other surcharges , Seem like people taking the wrong classes at UWI, need to take fraud classes and Math,
@Plantations
CLICO land holdings were acquired from Plantations Holdings.
DAVID @ As far as we see and know , CLICO have PLANTATIONS ON THEIR BOOKS. The plantations seem to be placed in their books and a value set ,,to them that we know ARE over priced. Others that we posted dealing with CLICO , that We at PLANTATION DEEDS HOLD AND CAN SHOW DEEDS. They put the deeds in, and took the money out, Some thing that can not sell with out clear titles or crook lawyers and land tax numbers being moved by papers.
The Governments made a lot of ACTS that is not LAW, to by pass laws to DE FRAUD as they please . The English is just watching Barbados to see how they will hang their self ,By , bypassing rules of law and the Magna Carta.
Keep and eye on COW and Kendall / Kent Plantation he looking to launder now , YES WE HAVE THAT DEED ALSO.
AUDIT is the word they run from and hiding again , and you to trust what they tell you ,
This entire mess is not one sided its a L 7 square and all them in this , All the ones we trust to keep order. None shall come against Plantation deeds words and FINDINGS with out revealing the Truth of their Frauds,
@Plantations
As we have discussed exhaustively on BU next steps must now be articulated to enforce your claim. When Roy was at the young Barbados Today he gave some exposure to your plight, perhaps…
@Balance
Sarge- stop portraying yourself as if you are gloating. its nothing to gloat about.
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Huh? What is this about? Please enlighten me.
Bush Tea
I share one similarity with Caswell, it’s either my way or the highway … Now how exactly is that going to work ..?
David and BU thanks again,
We at PLANTATION DEEDS , went from the bottom to the top of Barbados and its fraud DBLP government , Even running as a Party and a Group to remove and bring light to the People. By Law we were help by David the PM as we see it , and other working who know the truth , The Courts are riddled with crook lawyers who are now Judges and was Even a CJ as in Simmons and other crook AG , as the line grows again up the the PM .
We as a Coalition Party with the BFP/,KGB/PDC = C.U.P . Is here to to give to the People of Barbados . We see we have to take the government from the top, As said before this is a WAR on and of Truth , Let the lies fall where they may.
Even the person we call friends who are lawyers in Barbados run as there see small parts of what we have,
Police have order no to make big deal about land and building , like Mr crook as Todd on Baxters Road, and many other like Ralph Thorne who sleeps with a Judge,
Even the lawyers that learn law at UWI is on the run ALL , if we wrong let one step up , We not hard to find and harder to hide,
All the topics on BU when look from above is dealing with the same thing, PLANTATION DEED MASSIVE FRAUD , THIS HIV INFECTIONS OF BARBADOS AS SIDE EFFECTS, DOWN TO CLICO AND EVEN THE UNIONS AND PEOPLE WHO GET PIMP TITLE TO COVER UP.
ONLY out side audits can tell the people inside what going on .
More people out side of Barbados know of us than in side , Is that free and open NEWS?
We want the People of Barbados the Bajans to solve their own Problem,
DLP/BLP=DBLP have to go , then we will see Magic.We want nothing , its time for us to give,
The people of Barbados will tell us what they want as long it is lawful, No fraud , no cover up, restore our True History , do away with VAT and all unneeded TAXES.
Sargeant | March 3, 2014 at 8:32 AM | @Balance
Sarge- stop portraying yourself as if you are gloating. its nothing to gloat about.”
MY HUMBLEST APOLOGIES MR SARGE- THECOMMENT WAS MEANT FOR PRODIGAL
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A good discussion between Ellis and a caller who obviously read this blog. Others believe the question was not impertinent.
balance | March 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM |
Sargeant | March 3, 2014 at 8:32 AM | @Balance
Sarge- stop portraying yourself as if you are gloating. its nothing to gloat about.”…………………..
balance,
What is your problem with what I said? I thought BU was to disclose information? What is it in my comment that can be construed as gloating? You really think that we who support the BLP are cold and heartless like the DLP? Have you ever seen such displacement of poor people under the BLP?
I feel really bad for these poor people who are losing their jobs and going home through no fault of their own, their only fault was that they put their hope and trust in a destructive lying party.
The matter of how people vote in the next election is the people’s and the people’s alone. If the people want to return this destructive lying party to office, I have to respect the people. Kudos to them. I will then explore my options!
@ Baffy
I share one similarity with Caswell, it’s either my way or the highway … Now how exactly is that going to work ..?
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Boss man…that is wunna problem….all Bushie want is a proper “alpha dog” running the show.
…besides, it is about time that Caswell had a good cut ass….
If you and Caswell can’t decide on who is alpha and who is beta wunna got choices….
A- 30 paces at noon with weapons of wunna choice
B- two 2X4’s at the garrison at dawn
C- ….or wunna could get a tape and measure one another’s “mannishness”
…shiite man….you getting on like Mia and Owen now…. 🙂
Prodigal I understand your hurt but the problem was/is the inability of your lazy party to articulate their positions/achievements to capture the imagination of the public and stop trying to win elections by default. you all need to spend your precious energies researching rather than infighting.
Prodigal do you not realise its foot soldiers like you who defend the interests of the party more than some of those sitting in Parliament or or those waiting to feed of the trough if it only means an invitation to Ilaro Court or or celebrations of Parliament or to gain some lofty diplomatic position. Take a rest man and let those lazy buggers get off their backsides and promote the image of a party of which there was much to celebrate. Leeches they all are.
Bush Tea’s comments are
making me angry
Wunna hear that in the mist of all this retrenchment ting there is a new Chief Accountant at BIDC name Dwaine Stuart? As I understand it he is the nephew of (fill in the blanks).
Zack
Would the initials be FS?
Baffy (“rape is fun”) de Baf. So long, blood.
How the wax thing working out?