@Benny
U are on the correct track with your questions.
Here in Canada at least 20% of Uni Grads end up going on to Community College to learn something practical with which they can then earn a living to repay the monstrous Student Loans. Bim and the Cbean can not afford such mistakes afterall Canada is the richest country on Earth where some guy out walking in the North could stumble on the largest Uranium/ nickel/ oil deposit, known to mankind.

Bim must have an Education Plan to match our needs. In Cnanda we have at least 100, 000 jobs that can not be filled because of mis matching our true needs. The temptation is to believe we must have a Uni degree when the human involved may really need to be educated as a plummer. One of my nephews dropped out of Uni ( bright math mind), studied film editing which he practiced for 6-7yrs and then became an electrician after a few years of study and training.

Bim must get it right.

@Benny. Excellent.

The article has a couple of good suggestions but what is the motivation for calling Beckles a fraud? Simply because you have a different vision does not mean that someone with a different outlook is a fraud.

Leh ma suck ma teet.

I sincerely hope the leaders in Bim are not taking the current conditions around the world as a joke. I know they like to laugh at everything.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/unable-pay-rent-italian-couple-commits-suicide-article-1.1309651

Waiting for some one to address the key issues here:

Is Sir Hilary and government aligned on the vision and the dollars it will require to execute

Is the UWI curriculum aligned to national priorities?

@ David and Benny

Sir Hilary and Government CANT BE ALIGNED on anything. UWI had a functioning model where it had, by dint of its internal effort, generated millions of dollars and, in 2008, when Sinckliar and Darcy Boyce came, these two hatchet men cut off that programme at its knees.

Sir Hilary is not going to broadcast to BU and Barbados that the DLP administration is an enemy to progress, and the Cave Hill Institute he is too much of a diplomat for that.

At 81, my only enemy is father time. My balls big, i have goadies so can talk

You pass every day and see new buildings going up on University, Wunna feel that this is the Government of Barbados money? No siree, it is strategic partnerships that Hilary and his team have crafted.

Any yes, to use your words Benny, it is a legacy, one that any student attending the Cave Hill should be proud off, instead of peeing in the sinks and teifing the toilet paper, and University guards stealing cell phones from students while they are in the library. Why you think G4S up there now?

One of the former Registrars at the University of the West Indies Cave Hill,Mr. Cooke, when asked to fund a Hall for the CHC in the 1970’s said, “the University ent got that much money” The cost at that time was $500,000. Guess what it was today? Cooke lacked vision and Cooke is emblematic of 90% of Cave Hill administrative and academic staff
these 40 years later!!!

David, you do not know how Sir Hilary has to fight with “this entrenched mentality” of hundreds within his Cave Hill administration and academia as they resist adopting a new ethos.It is like fight to feed a hungry baby but in this case the babies are adults. Couple that with the limited scope mentality of Darcy Boyce at the other end of the spectrum, and you have a recipe for disaster that makes the 5 year development plan they chart a collosal waste of time

His plan/curriculum? Maybe part of it is “Centres of Excellence” where individual departments finally pull their weight, educate and deliver pertinent instruction, as well as efficiently manage resources under their roof and, like other international institutions, leverage their intellectual assets and other Human Resources, for profit.

** at the Cave Hill University has extensive portfolio of marine fauna/flora research with biomedical IP potential that they have conducted for 15-20 years.

** in Nova Scotia comes to Cave Hill, secures samples of the full portfolio and almost leaves without any contractual agreement.

Who messed up? Benny may say Sir Hilary but even the mighty Brian Lara can’t score his 400 if the other batsmen on his team getting run out when they are at the other end of the pitch.

Hasn’t tertiary education been responsible for the size of the middle class in Barbados?

Which class pays the most taxes in Barbados and therefore allows the high standard of living?

@Benny “At this juncture I think that you should concentrate less on being a fraud”

You call a man who is leading our university and raising significant funds to build its 21st century infrastructure a fraud?

Do you think that the UWI principal will take the buildings with him when he dies?

Do you think that his name is on the title deeds?

If you are a UWI graduate shame on you (who cannot write a sentence)

And if you are not a UWI graduate, get thee up to the Hill for an education.

Wastage as tertiary education is duplicted

Sargeant | April 7, 2013 at 12:09 PM |
The article has a couple of good suggestions but what is the motivation for calling Beckles a fraud? Simply because you have a different vision does not mean that someone with a different outlook is a fraud.
…………………………………………………………………………………….
a la an old Bajan saying, “Shouting Fish and selling chicken.”

Colonel….
Sir Hilary must be admired for excelling where 99.99% of us fail miserably and consistently.
He knows how to get things done….

The problem with him is that he has no clear idea of the things that SHOULD be done….

In his former life and a historian/ public speaker/ activist his objective was to educate black Barbadians about their rightful place in society and to motivate economic enfranchisement.
He did an excellent job…highlighted with the Mutual shakeup.

The “powers that be”, on recognizing the obvious and potent danger that he posed as a public voice on history and rights, tricked him into accepting the big pick on the hill, and have kept his mouth quiet with a steady stream of “Donations”, gifts and contributions to his new project…UWI.

At UWI The big Sir has moved from education, which he had been doing with devastating effectiveness, to empire building – again with devastating effectiveness. Nuff new buildings, staff, students …. But no REAL LEARNING.

95% of The graduates are perfect brass bowls,…
Their businesses owned by Trinidadians, Canadians and other outsiders.
Their money in credit unions and placed at the disposal of the Trickidadians and Cashadians.
They mostly are clerks, accountants and lawyers working for others.
Their sports – Nil
Art – Nil
Misic – Jamaican (run by Ghetto illiterates from Trench Town…)
Politicians – Poor rakey and dishonest.
Women – Mostly miserable and foolish (a la ac) no wonder we have to import Guyanese and Jamaicans…
Men – No balls. Not even Caswell with the lotta goat milk..won’t start the damn BUP

…so what has Sir Hilary’s latest pet project – (costing billions of dollars) done for us except for the lotta long talk from sweet mouth people like piece o de rock, Simple Simon and David?

…Know what it did?

It removed a dangerous and highly effective public speaker and national leader with powerful oratory and a clear historical perspective – from making a needed difference in Barbados….

The “Powers that be” are more than willing to spend millions to keep the Big Sir quiet and “up the Hill” where they can keep an eye on him – and a chain on his mouth…..

If Bushie had his way, Hilary’s ass would be fired; his “Sir” withdrawn, and his backside thrown back into society where he can resume the vital education process that he started and almost implemented before being chained up on the Hill…by the oppressors.

@David | April 7, 2013 at 6:04 PM | You are so damned right. But why is it that so few see this? Or do they and prefer to bury their heads in the sand at Cattlewash? There seems to be a culture of blindness in Barbados.

@Bushy. Very brutal indeed. 100% correct though.

Hmmm, ac does have a point there ..

We just can’t measure the effectiveness of university education on its increasing role and physical structures.. We have to more scientifically evaluate how resources are being allocated and impact on the country using agreed KPIs. If we are producing an army of clerks what then?

We like to compare to Singapore, see how their education program is structured. Note what they call co-curricular and Integrated programmes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Singapore

@pieceuhderock
81 years old or not, you take dictation well!

@ Bush Tea

Without doubt he was a serious orator and a serious civic minded inciter and his current job did interrupt that “voice”.

Therein lies the predicament for Barbados, Bush Tea for when, by whatever means it transpires, our heroes and “movers and shakers” ascend to higher heights, by dint of promotion, knighthood, or that ultimate promotion, death, there is generally no one to replace them in the breach.

You mean to tell me that like Achilles in Troy when we cry across the landscape of Cave Hill, or for that matter, Barbados “is there no one else?” that among the 300K Bajans and 40K illegal citizens, including our Director of Public Prosecutions, that there is no one else to take up the baton and run as fleetly as Sir Hilary did before his ascension to the Golden Stool?

For shame, for shame

Any one who can keep the UWI funtiong under the vast amount of debt incurred over the years has my total respect. an article leveling crticism calling Beckles a “fraud” is intellectual dishonesty and everything else said is based on bias and a need to downgrade or disrespect any meaningful efforts Sir Hilary has contributed… i bet dollars to donuts most of the critics would have high tail for greener pastures by now.

Wow only a mater of time before it turns to BLP-DLP, Really all the time so?

First thing, there is nutting that uwi offers that we can not find on the internet in 5mins, by that simple fact we need to be focusing on the studentes ability to search for info and implement it in new situations.(something lacking bad bad bad in bim) we don’t need a uwi graduate in every house we need people that want to work, not people that think because they have a degree that they are better than everyone else and don’t have to work.

I wonder though can we see a list of the graduates of Uwi, the degrees they are leaving with. and what they applied to do in the first place, and how much switch to social sciences.

we always talk about UWI this and that but with out real numbers we don’t know what is really going on.

@ piece o de rock
People like Sir Hill are one in a million. You ever sit down in a meeting wid de man? Ya gotta be impressed!!
You see how de man tek over CHILL and change EVERYTHING!!!

Shoite man, if we put Hilary in charge of Dodds he would soon have the prisoners running the country….

Point is – fellows like that don’t come along everyday… and when one DOES come along, somebody have to hold his tail to the fire to ensure that this NATIONAL ASSET is not distracted by the lotta deceitful money brokers out there…. BUSHIE HAS TAKEN ON THAT JOB….

Who you see out there can fill the national education role left void by the Sir? …..not a fellow! We would have to await about 5 more lifetimes for a next nedder “one in a million man”

Sir thinks that he can create ‘Hilary clones’ at CHILL, but by now he should have realized that his GIFT is not replicable through academics. HE IS WASTING HIS TIME AND OUR NATIONAL RESOURCES, and will be much more effective going back to true teaching without the encumbrance of being Principal and Knight….where he can’t cuss the people who want cussing or say the things that want saying….

@ BAFFY
…you change your mind about Sir Hill? You mean you don’t know a DOER when you see one? Bushie’s problem is not wid the man, but wid what he is doing (…and NOT doing as a result)

@ Dr The Hon
Et tu Doc?
…man cuh dear, don’t laugh at the bushman nuh….

@ ac
Any idiot can operate in debt.
It takes brains to OWN others by having them in debt.
Bushie would happily lend you $100,000 now with full knowledge that you would immediately stop abusing the lowly and humble bushman and suddenly recognize all the great things that Bushie has done for mankind over the past 80 years…. (and as it is you, interest rate is only 17% compounded) 🙂

Yeah David thanks, but i is just got a problem with arguing without facts!!!!!
all i could find is.

The University of the West Indies, Cave Hill Campus will be hosting its annual graduation ceremony on Saturday 20th October 2012.

This year, a total of 1689 students including 295 post graduates are slated to receive their scrolls at two ceremonies. The first ceremony begins at 10.00 am. for graduands from the Faculties of Humanities & Education, Engineering, Pure & Applied Sciences, (now Faculty of Science & Technology) Food & Agriculture and Medical Sciences and the second ceremony begins at 5.00 pm for the graduands from the Faculties of Social Sciences and Law.

I would like to know out of those 1689 students who is coming out with what before i can really say anything. And i think basic information like this should be available online within 3 clicks. So maybe your next entry on UWI should have that info, the last 5 years or so should do fine. then we could make progress and not argue BLP-DLP,(while the both of them getting away with murder)

At a quick glance Social Sciences accounts for about half the degrees (4000+ annually) leaving uwi, and it is accepted fact that we have problems with society and management in general, maybe the problem is WHAT we teaching and not the brute force method of a graduate in every house.

let for the sake of argument says that MR. Beckles allocate more resources to technology and all other areas that are necessary to build an economy. The question is does our educational system provide enough gradutes from theCommunitylevel? i believe most of those gradutes would be from other countries than barbados who would have derived the most benefit at our expense. there need to be paridgim shift in the way society think about education and not expect to lay such a burden on the hands of one persoN

N is NEW BLOOD

@New Blood

Identifying the period when the debt remained unpaid was to clarify a comment made. Also note that when professor Howard suggested a couple years ago for the UWI to ‘cut back’ the DLP stated it commitment to funding the UWI programs. So it has become political.