Pine Hill Dairy Yanks the Production of Yogurt

Adrian Loveridge - Owner of Peach & Quiet Hotel

Adrian Loveridge – Owner of Peach & Quiet Hotel

We moved to Barbados almost 25 years ago and purchased what was the semi-derelict Arawak Inn. Thus began our journey in the hotel business. As non-nationals, not surprisingly, only a handful of suppliers would extend us credit. We have remained fiercely loyal and faithful to that small group.

When Pine Hill made its entirely unilateral decision to stop producing yogurts it went entirely in the face of a policy we implemented, when Peach and Quiet opened. That was whenever practical to buy local.

What is also almost incomprehensible is that this decision was made at a time when our struggling dairy industry is trying to survive in the wake of a massive unsold milk glut. One or two people have indicated that Pine Hill did in fact issue a public notice in the media to the effect that they would no longer be manufacturing yogurts. But wouldn’t you, as a matter of course, write to customers that have traded with you for two decades? After all, we have never been too busy to write and sign, literally hundreds of cheques to them over that period. It almost reeks of arrogance and indifference on their part.

So what do the 160 or so registered hotels, hundreds of villas, apartments and condominiums do now?

In our own case we have been forced to purchase imported yogurts from a distributor who brings in the French brand, Yoplait. While the individual containers do not show a country of origin, the packaging does and indicates that they are made at their US subsidiary in Minneapolis.

So at a critical time, when we are trying to retain every cent of foreign earnings, here we are importing an item that has a long history of local production, that is being trucked and shipped by refrigerated transport over a distance of at least 6,000 miles. Just think about the carbon footprint for a minute.

Surely the company has to publicly explain why they have chosen this time to cease production and why it is no longer viable. With over 500,000 long stay visitors annually plus sales to locals, cruise ship companies and inflight caterers, what is the problem?

Another point that should be raised are the recognised health benefits associated with yogurts  – would it not be in the national interest to encourage more consumption? Foreign alternatives almost certainly will be more expensive and in these challenging times that alone will stifle demand.

I was also surprised that yogurt attracted 17.5 per cent VAT as it surely could not be considered a luxury food item.  it is more a weapon against obesity and digestive disorders.

Back on 13 January 2011 under a large attention grabbing Nation News banner headline ‘Bigger Basket’, the then Minister of Trade stated that more VAT exempt items would be added to the ‘basket’. Once again, this appears to be only just more rhetoric.

I really hope that Pine Hill will re-consider their decision or alternatively take steps to relinquish their near monopoly of milk processing by giving another manufacturer a chance in Barbados. With rights there are responsibilities and while yogurt may seem to some as an insignificant part of the bigger picture, to me, it is the line in the sand.

After yogurt, what comes next?

Will Pine Hill then transfer milk production to Trinidad, because due to energy costs, its cheaper to boil the liquid there?

51 comments

  • Wow very interested, great read mate 🙂

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  • opening for new yogurt enrepeneur, base already established A few of these milk producers should get together and define their own destiny. There was a small yogurt operator that loblaws had a deal with in Canada, I am sure if pine hill isnt making yogurt the equipment is for sale

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  • From the moment several of our industries found their parent companies located in Port of Spain the writing was on the wall.

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  • lawson,
    That were the lines I was thinking along too. I wonder, if BICO could get their issues sorted out with Government, whether they would consider manufacturing yogurts and possibly using more local milk in their ice cream production rather than importing either the finished product or powdered milk.
    I am sure too, that more local fruit could be used in yogurts.

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  • @lawson
    It could be that the equipment is now obsolete and, given the lack of protection, PHD have decided not to replace it. If we want to support local dairy farmers, with high farm gate prices, then milk derivatives like yogurt need protection. There isn’t a country in the world that doesn’t protect its agricultural sector.

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  • I see you are having an agrofest in my home town we used to have an exibition like the cne in toronto where there was compititions for best animals ,baking,jams, mustards sauces,etc the winners usually went on to selling their produce as a business.Best yogurt at the agrofest next year is not inconceivable, and from little acorns mighty oaks grow.I would pay( if need be ) extra if I Knew the product was locally made with local produce.

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  • @lawson
    I’m with you on that. It is a great opportunity for an entrepreneur. Hopefully they will be able to get the backing.

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  • One of the very few countries in the world that does not support their agriculture and food security is Barbados, led by the government (both DLP and BLP).

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  • One prime minister wanted to see a car in every garage, that was his idea of development, instead of encouraging a kitchen garden at the side of every house everyone just wanted to see mowed lawns and pretty flowers. It’s now sinking in you cannot eat pretty flowers.When it was evident he would lose the elections after 14 years, his advise was “Look, go and plant some food do”, the pissed off electorate took him down for that Einstein moment. Enter Thompson, who figured the only thing green should be money and in his pocket, hence families first, well lot of good that did him. They are only interested in imports=kickbacks, planting food=no kickbacks.

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  • peltdownman | February 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM |

    This is Barbados …. Make no mistake, a buyer has already been identified for the equipment and supplies and it is the son/daughter of one of our traditional elites (read Pine Hill’s selling off … transferring really … its Juice Vending business). The product is by no means dead. I went to get my hands on some of the unused cups and was politely turned away.

    You see sir the opportunities that are available for the off-spring of our traditional elite who are NOT academically inclined are now few and far between, so other initiatives have to be undertaken so as not to have them emigrate …

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  • Whilst there was much to be said about how Pine Hill Dairy could have improved the quality of their yoghurt…there is a mountain to be said of this new ignorance…I know the writing was on the wall, they did say publicly they were going to stop manufacturing this product but every reason behind Pine Hill doing what it is doing, not just with the yoghurt but with every other decision is tantamount to ridiculous nonsense. To ruin a diary industry that could almost be called a national heritage is criminal.

    And yes…there is now an open gap that could allow for dairy farmers to form a co-operative that can sell all manner of excellent artisan dairy products…but unfortunately for us as a people, it appears we are unable to have vision and without vision one cannot formulate a simple plan like this. No wonder we can be led like sheep to the slaughter on almost every level. All of it is so outta order it makes one want to just give up any hope for this wonderful island of ours. Perhaps it is best to just allow imports and forget trying to save anything…let our people continue to suffer health problems with food that has traveled thousands of miles to reach here nice and dead for us, devoid of almost any vitamins but filled with pesticides and GMO ingredients. All we have to do is import more medicines to counteract that. At least we will keep the population down for the most part. We deserve what we get.

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  • The only vision politicians in Bim have is of the self-serving variety. make no mistake.

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  • Rosemary,
    Surely the scandal over horsemeat (and God knows what else) taking place in the US and Europe is a wake-up call for ALL of us on Barbados, that we HAVE to produce more food LOCALLY. I really wonder if any of the thousands of burgers served here have been checked for any contaminates?

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  • Perhaps today I am tired…as one feels one is getting somewhere for the good of the country, something else pops up that is so so ridiculous one wonders if the poisons we consume on a daily basis, Adrian, have not already taken their toll on our thought process.

    It is obvious WE HAVE TO PRODUCE MORE FOOD LOCALLY.

    It is obvious it has to be clean food.

    It obvious IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN.

    It is obvious that this alone will also save the country by saving on the current food bill which is so excessive one could cry.

    IT IS MORE THAN OBVIOUS how easily it can ALL be done but…I have one thing to say…

    BEAM ME UP SCOTTY.

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  • Look Rosemary

    The private sector is in business for ONE reason and that is the compete exploitation of the mass of people that they refer to as a “market”. The bulk of these operators in Barbados focus ONLY on Barbadians because they are consumers, and providers of labour and support service providers. This agenda does NOT include producing anything that is Barbadian. All of this is fine except for the fact that the Political Parties are merely extensions of these operations, after all who the hell do you think keeps them afloat and facilitates their mounting of these extravagant promotional events …?

    Dear Ma’am, you are flogging something that you believe to be a horse but is in fact an imported Volks Wagon

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  • @Adrian

    Not to dampen your spirits, but American yoghurt is not healthy. American cows are injected with ‘bovine somatotropin’ (bST) to make them produce more milk. It has serious side effects, like inflamation of the udder, pus in the milk, infections, etc. Health and Welfare Canada ruled it unsafe for Canadian cows. Yet some of us go over the border to buy cheap milk, cheese, etc.

    Yoghurt is easy to make. For a small operation like yours, not much equipment is required. You can make a batch every day. Two large pans and enough cooler space after it is set. In barbados, mine sets in the kitchen, covered on the counter in half an hour.

    When serving set it out with honey, and chopped fresh local fruits, so guests can sweeten and flavour to their desire. For breakfast it goes well with granola in place of milk, with sliced bananas. You can also make your own granola. It is easy as 1, 2, 3.

    I you must import, try a Canadian company. Danone Canada makes several brand names, my favourite is Oikos a Greek style yoghurt.

    Pine Hill yoghurt was NOT real yoghurt. The milk had so few solids, they added cornstarch as a thickener.

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  • Pat,

    How informative but depressing. ‘We’ really have to think more about what we are eating and demand better. Thank You.

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  • I’ve always found that these probably well intentioned opinions and speculative posts tend to ignore one of the most important facts companies use to plan their operations and the products they offer for sale.
    A market exists when supply can meet demand – when demand drops to the levels where you cannot sell enough product to break-even far less turn a profit then the conventional corporate decision is the discontinuation of that product. The only time where that simple approach is not taken include things which are considered utilities/services essential to the populace or corporate strategies where a product could be characterised as a loss leader to fight competition or any number of factors. But generally, a company will not discontinue a profitable product.
    We could challenge the prescience of the leaders of the company, question their marketing strategy, talk about their succession plans etc. but we do a disservice when we ignore basic tenets of business decision making for emotional pseudo-intellectual analyses of an issue we do not have the facts on. Do you have the right to those facts? Maybe not. Do you care? Clearly you don’t, but unless you are going to PHD with a contract to supply you and a steady base of consumers in order to make it feasible for them to continue production I suggest you get over it and move on.
    I am no economist and clearly neither are you, but I do know that if the inputs necessary to bring a product to market take my break-even point beyond my expected sales, then I have a problem. I even consider it an insult to just throw the VAT issue in there as that one input in costs cannot give you an accurate picture of the total inputs necessary to produce the yogurt. Come on. We are smarter than this aren’t we?
    Yogurt, as critical as you may think it is to the social fabric of Barbados and the classification of PHD as a going concern, isn’t really so beyond this little sphere… right… here. I am not trying to insult you, I just want some perspective in how we are approaching dialogue on this topic, and for us to see that we don’t have rights as customers to demand companies include us in their decisions, decisions that believe it or not, can quite comfortably be unilateral.

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  • Pat wrote:
    @Adrian

    Not to dampen your spirits, but American yoghurt is not healthy. American cows are injected with ‘bovine somatotropin’ (bST) to make them produce more milk. It has serious side effects, like inflamation of the udder, pus in the milk, infections, etc. Health and Welfare Canada ruled it unsafe for Canadian cows. Yet some of us go over the border to buy cheap milk, cheese, etc.

    Check out below an excerpt from the Canadian documentary “The Corporation” which explains what happened when two investigative reporters working for a Fox News station in Florida tried to report to the public about the human and animal health risks that arose from the widespread use of bully-boy Monsanto’s Posilac (the trade name for their rBST product) in US Dairy Cattle.

    Basically the reporters lost their job when they refused to compromise their report to appease Monsanto and Fox News management (who were under pressure from Monsanto, a major advertiser, to keep the program off air). After the two reporters won an initial judgement for unfair dismissal under Florida’s whistleblower laws, the judgement was overturned when the appeals court ruled there was no law that obligated news organizations like Fox et al not to knowingly lie to their audiences. This meant the whistleblower protection law would not extend to cover their particular case.

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  • Frankly I dont care why pine hill stop making yogurt.They may have stopped making it because there was problems other than not profitable enough Maybe they are being sued, but what I do know it has treated its long time customers very shabbley. Its not like there going out of business, and will be asking these same people to buy their other products. So if you think that is smart business practise, then I cannot agree. They should have explained to their customers what was happening, given guidance on what may be filling that void, showed timelines offer help to new start ups. That is what good corporate citizens do, You seem to miss the the point if you think this is just about yogurt, Barbados is the size of a small town, you try and run roughshod over people with total disregard for their loyalty and see how that turns out in a canadian town.Nobody will be buying any of your products..

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  • Well Well | February 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM |
    One of the very few countries in the world that does not support their agriculture and food security is Barbados.
    ………………………………………………………..
    When you look around there appear to be more people employed in the Cut -Flower ,ornamental garden industry and debushing,than in the mainstream agriculture providing sugar and food.
    The poor farmers in Barbados who grow a little food cannot afford to back ,financially, any political party, especially around this time . That backing comes from the importers of canned stuff from all over the place , and carrots, of all things , from Canada.
    ,

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  • why are we still expecting pine hill dairy to do something? i think it is time that the farmers come together and form some kind of organisation and to … with Pine Hill Dairy

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  • the one bright spot in what is happening to our economy is that this might be the time for young and old barbadians to put their heads together and invest in their own business, it looks as if the old white bajans are finally losing interests in what gave them status but before their backward children could grab hold of these business that are folding up, i sincerely hope that some bright black sons of the soil could take control and finally change the colour of business ownership in this island, now is the time

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  • so you think a f$%ked up economy is an opportunity for young bright black men.What kind of warped thinking is that.Carefull you dont set the bar too high for other racists. This reminds me of the photos of New Orleans people waist deep in contaminated water carrying stolen tv s thinking this is a good idea instead of getting out yours is the same irrational thinking..

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  • Colonel Buggy – I rest my case. Bajans may want to try getting over being only consumers, plant their food and ignore the politicians. Unspoilt islands like St. Lucia and Dominica make sure they continue to plant food regardless of how many tourists visit their islands. Too much consumerism breeds exploitation, a truism we are now witnessing in Barbados, unfortunately.

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  • The black politicians first have to start loving the idea of seeing their own people as business people and not just consumers to be treated as run away slaves. Politicians still don’t see their own as capable of successfully running businesses, there is still too much petty jealousies and bad mindedness. The minorities who have monopolies on businesses in Bim are aging and since the ones who actually have intelligent children who they sent abroad to study and who did not return to Bim and are not interested in carrying on the planter class crap that the politicians allow, there was no one to fill that void in the black community. Unfortunately neither the black politicians or the majority were quick on the uptake to buy out these companies when this occurred, they were too busy stopping each others progress. Trinidad stepped in and rightfully so.

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  • @ Well Well
    Sad, but true.

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  • I lived in Trinidad during their recession so many years ago…it was then that the large big guys played ‘pac-man’ and bought up many businesses, cleaned them up for inefficiencies and brought them into the successes they are today. Trinidad is doing this right here in Barbados – cleaning up the mess created by the old colonial way of doing business. Sorry it has to be Trinidad and not one of our own Bajan companies but Bajan companies did not do it and they had their chance. With the opening of global village it is who comes first.

    However, what I did also see in Trinidad was a lot of young (and old because of sheer necessity) people begin their businesses in small ways…one guy started mowing lawns, another making juice side-ah-road, ladies began making jams, jellies etc. and the beat goes on…where there was a niche for the small man, it was taken. Some without any real financial backing…just say perhaps a fruit tree in the backyard and some old jars Mum had in the cupboard. Backyard farming and selling at markets. And so on. Today they have huge businesses themselves.

    I see an opportunity for this to happen in Barbados. Already I am seeing as I travel the island some small enterprises beginning. The man who sells burgers on the side of the road on a Friday night (and good ones too!) could be the equivalent of a Burger King for Barbados one day if he continues with his great product, saves his money and invests until a building is required because of his clientele.

    Right now there is a niche for a lot of stuff. Those who are crying should be able to see it, and have the vision to start small and build up.

    Unfortunately the problem is that a lot of us would not be caught dead selling on the side of the road, we want a restaurant right away with a big car and trips to Miami, we want a whole manufacturing business with state of the art with a big house, a big pool, a big car and trips to Miami. We do not even want the problem of going to markets, we just want to pick up the phone and order all the imports.

    We have become far too used to the good things in life and a recession has not really been understood. A recession is a cleansing and an opportunity to move forward with the good stuff.

    Farmers in this country should unite and form a co-operative. That is true. But if they are so self-important and so lacking in community togetherness, then they can begin at home. Today if you want to sell fresh milk, make butter, cheese, yoghurt, spreads as an artisan from your farm…you can…all the information is on the internet, and if you have an iota of creativity in you, through trial and error you can produce some incredible products…then either take them to a farmers market and there are many now, or make it known and people will come to you and purchase. Make a contract direct with a hotel. I just organized an organic chicken farmer in St. Joseph a nice contract with a restaurant on the south coast to provide 50 lbs of chicken every week to them. This can be done. Works for the restaurant and the farmer.

    Make your a farm one that even tourism can touch, they will come and taste too and buy. It is now four years that I have tried to inveigle a farmer in St. Lucy to create an open circular hut out of some bamboo he has growing on his land, on the outskirts place benches made from wood on the farm and in the centre build a simple open fire with a grill…start with that every other weekend and I would personally bring people (locals and tourists) to him for Bajan food cooked on an organic farm…has he done it? Nope. He goes traditionally to Cheapside and complains that sales not what they used to be and his farm gine down and and and…he got a glut of tomatoes…he got a glut of cucumbers..but can I get him to go that extra step of even pickling his tomatoes, or if he cannot afford jars, sun-drying them, wrapping in brown paper and selling to one pizza place! Nope. He doan onderstan’ dat, and he doan business with dat. Lawd…help muh.

    A farm with vision – Redlands – open on a Saturday to the public…sell their produce and also make amazing chutneys and jams and jellies. They started small, worked hard, made the place a sort of co-operative with their workers, and managed through thick and thin to make a good living for all. Yes times are tough but they will get through it. For them it is not about getting rich overnight, it is about doing something they love, and sharing it with those who work with them. This modus operandi is nothing new…Toronto has huge farmers markets where farmers come with their produce and their artisan goods made on the farms, and housewives and housemen come with theirs made at home. So do other countries in the world….even some right here in the Caribbean…and if you do not want to join a farmer’s market, there are government markets here that more and more discerning shoppers are going to…Cheapside is a market that is central and could easily be organized to have such types of great products sold within.

    Whilst I agree that Pine Hill Dairy have shown a lack of responsibility to the people of Barbados…I say F*#@ ’em. Stop buying their products now as I have done. Many ways to skin a cat. Farmers get your act together – no need to dump milk, make stuff with it…even if it is raas cakes! Open your farms to visitors or take your produce and/or products to the farmers markets…create a new one with a bunch of you all if you wish…the more the merrier. I know one dairy farmer who supplies an Italian with all the milk necessary to make incredible cheeses…they also bottle their fresh unpasteurized milk in the cleanest of environments and sell same at market….they have become so successful that supermarkets are asking them to supply now…and I saw unpasteurized milk selling at Carlton Supermarket. No need to cry in your raas milk …stop whining and get with the programme.

    Here’s an opportunity for someone even at home to talk to Adrian, have him taste their yoghurt product, and produce same from fresh milk direct from the cow (make sure they are grass fed and not given all those nasty chemicals to increase milk production) either plain so that the hotel can add in whatever fruit…or with fruit in it already. Imagine Adrian you have a nice bowl of fruit on your breakfast buffet very morning with local great yoghurt made as it should be from good clean fresh milk (even goat milk if you so desire) and not powdered milk with added gelatin to make it thick… with your guests adding their own fresh fruit to same. Clean wholesome food is the essence of the tourism of now and of the future…but we are missing the boat with this too.

    There is so much that can be done. So much information on how to do it available in books and on the net. I even saw step by step ways of growing tons of food on 3 acres of land but…We are just a lazy lot of idiots. who cannot move with the times…and expect all to be done for us. Sorry to have to say.

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  • We all understand that with the small population of 300,000 there is not really enough of a cash flow that will make everyone comfortably well off, but if the average Bajan would get pass the mentality of wanting to be seen buying overpriced imported food in SuperCentre everyday or buying overpriced garbage in Cave Shephard every weekend trying to keep up with the joneses and enriching the same planter class instead of each other, then maybe those millions will circulate in the other direction and stay within the majority community. It will be a tough sell.

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  • Rosemary,
    I am so much on your side. You hit it right on the head. Thats want our guests want. Natural healthy yogurt, local fruit and vegetables. They really don’t want travel 4,000 plus miles to consume imported foodstuffs and buy Chinese souvenirs . We were invited to the Govenor Generals residence a number of times and served Jubilee Crystal ‘fruit juice’ . I felt quite ashamed and even more so, when I discovered that the catering company was owned by a former BHTA President.
    You have to stop talking about linkages with tourism and start doing.

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  • So there is no misunderstanding. WE have to stop talking about linkages with tourism and start doing.

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  • The trick is to get them to stop paying all this lip service and talking all over the place when it’s convenient for them, and actually start implementing intelligent strategies.

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  • One of the biggest disappointments is that Paul and Benn have not been able to force the agriculture agenda from with the government. These are men who are known for their agriculture interest.

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  • Yogurt recipe

    When you’re just starting out, you have the option of using a packet of commercially prepared yogurt starter or a dollop of prepared yogurt, purchased from the market. If you decide to use prepared yogurt, make certain it indicates somewhere on the label that it possesses “live, active cultures.” The existence of these cultures is absolutely crucial to the success of your batch. While you can use milk of any type, the higher the butterfat in your ingredients, the thicker and creamier the end product will be.

    Yield: Slightly more than 4 cups; 5 half-pints, if jarred

    You Will Need:

    4 cups whole, low-fat, or skim milk
    3 tablespoons live yogurt or 1 packet dried yogurt culture

    If you prefer a thick, stick-your-spoonin-and-it-remains-upright type of yogurt, add 4 tablespoons powdered dry milk or 1 tablespoon unflavored gelatin.

    To prepare:

    1. If you are using a thickening agent, whisk the dried milk or gelatin into the milk until combined. Warm the milk gently in a medium saucepan over medium-high heat until it almost reaches the boiling point, right around 180°F (82°C).

    2. Remove the milk from the heat and allow it to cool to 110 to 115°F (43 to 46°C). Using a metal spoon, stir in the yogurt or dried yogurt culture. Mix until well incorporated.

    3. Transfer the mixture to whatever container you will be culturing it in, such as yogurt machine glass jars, Mason jars, lidded glass bowl, or a thermos.

    4. Hold the yogurt at 110 to 115°F (43 to 46°C) for the next six hours. Consider any of the “Incubating Ideas” options as a way to maintain the necessary temperature for proper yogurt formation.

    5. Store the yogurt in an airtight container in the refrigerator, and use within one to two weeks.

    “Incubating Ideas”: DIY Yogurt Makers

    Try any one of these ideas for successfully regulating yogurt without the aid of an electric yogurt maker.

    Blanket

    Preheat an oven to 120°F (49°C). Place the yogurt mixture in a glass or ceramic bowl, and cover with a lid or plate. Turn the oven off, and place the yogurt inside for six hours.

    Cooler

    Place the yogurt mixture into one (or several, depending on volume) glass jars. Place the jars in a small to medium insulated cooler overnight, along with several jars of hot water.

    Slow Cooker

    Preheat a slow cooker on low. Add glass jars of yogurt to the pot. Turn off the heat, cover with a lid, and allow to incubate six hours or overnight.

    Sun

    Let the sun do all the cooking for you. Place your yogurt mixture in a ceramic or glass bowl, cover with a lid, and put in a spot that will be consistently sunny for four to six hours. During the dog days of summer, when the sun is seriously scorching, it might be wise to either start this means of incubating quite early in the morning (7-ish), or wait for a more hospitable, balmier day to make yogurt. This technique can be used year-round, as you’ll be culturing your yogurt indoors, so long as the ambient room temperature remains between 68 and 74°F (20 and 23°C).

    Thermos

    Simply fill an insulated thermos with your yogurt mixture, put the lid on, wrap a couple of kitchen towels around it, and put in an area away from drafts, such as a pantry or cabinet, for six hours or overnight. The ambient temperature should be somewhere between 68 and 74°F (20 and 23°C) for your yogurt to culture properly.

    Reprinted with permission from Homemade Living: Home Dairy, © 2011 by Ashley English and Lark Crafts, a division of Sterling Publishing Co., Inc.

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  • I am starting a homesteading group for those of you who want to learn how to make yogurt, cheese, butter etc from our local milk.

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  • islandgal246,
    Thank you and a great idea with the homesteading.

    My request to Government is to remove the 17.5 per cent VAT on locally produced yogurt.

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  • Surely island gal putting powdered milk or gelatin into the mix already brings it into not as healthy as…although pure gelatin, the good kind, is good for hair and nails!

    Using creamy milk like the one straight from a grass-fed cow is what I would recommend…but to each his own.

    Thanks for putting the recipe here…there are also so many recipes for anything required on the net…one can with trial and error come up with something really good…adding in a little Bajan stylee if you wish.

    Island gal is one who experiments, and makes amazing stuff…so good for ya lady…I am with you 100% on all you do!!!

    Vat should actually be removed on local foodstuff Adrian…put extra vat on the damaging ones…as much as I love rum…I would say rum, beer, and even cigars or cigarettes (I see the Chinese are making those here). Local products also need a lot more inspection for quality by the way…I bought an expensive local jam the other day that said Guava on the outside, the picture below the word was of guava too…but there was nothing on the inside that was guava I can assure you. So local is not always good. But could be IF the BMA set up a strong quality control authority and the buying public would make a big fuss about bad products….stop buying is always the best bet. Which is more likely what happened to Pine Hill once that PHD crap put on the shelf for 90 days!!

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  • Rosemary powdered milk and gelatin are optional for thicker yogurt and for a more natural thickener you can use agar agar /carrageenan aka sea moss can be used as a thickener.

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  • Just read that you can make your own starter culture with pepper stems and tamarind, a method used in India.

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  • funny you mentioned Redlands, I had some golden apple juice from there it was excellant, the owners are down to earth hardworking people.

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  • barbadostripadvisor

    http://www.thetruthaboutsouthafrica.com/p/white-genocide-in-south-africa.html
    and wunna worrying about yogurt.
    just import some from the states probably cheaper than local one.wow what stupidity.

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  • barbadostripadvisor

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  • I always get good thick yoghurt without any thickeners. I use 2% milk and some plain yoghurt as a starter. I save from the current batch to make the next. In Barbados, I get the same results. I leave it on or near the gas stove, covered and it is ready in less than two hours. With the hear in Bim, you can leave it anywhere in the kitchen and it will be ready in a few hours. In Canada, it is ready in about an hour in the summer if the ac is off.

    The trick to the thickness, I think, is that I use a quarter cup of yoghurt for a litre of milk. I used a probiotic store purchased greek plain yoghurt the first time.

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  • I am trying to locate the distributor of the pinehill milk and juices in Trinidad. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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  • @L Patrick

    Please contact:

    Mr. Bernard Frost Group Marketing Manager Tel: 246-227-6740 Email: bfrost@thebhlgroup.com

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