The People's Poll: Prosperity Through Perseverance With The DLP?

Submitted by Yardbroom
BU commentator favours the DLP

BU commentator favours the DLP

I have headed this submission as a question, rather than a definite statement.  Had I used a statement, some would immediately – they still might – disagree and launch into a myriad of things leading to an emotional discourse.  The intention here is to discover what we disagree on and then drill down to the FACTS before hopefully arriving at  sensible conclusions. . . . even then there will not be unanimity, of that I am sure.

Barbados’ indebtedness is now approximately 117% of GDP.  In the Caribbean region that is not the worse, St Kitts & Nevis is 153%.  In case you say they are our little cousins.  I will then turn to Jamaica whose indebtedness is 139% of GDP.  I will refer you to an insightful extract from an article published in the Jamaica Gleaner on the 16 November 2008:

Although bookings over the winter season and in February from the United States, Canada and Europe are good, hoteliers are coming to believe that the impact of the global economic recession on the industry in the Caribbean will be severe . . . Caribbean tourism has of course, experienced downturns in the past, but these occurred for the most part when the regions economy was more broadly based.. . . .   Moreover, a recession touching tourism will have the dangerous slow-burn effect of causing tax revenues and foreign-exchange reserves to fall, making it more difficult for government to fund social and other programmes and by extension, maintain present levels of employment in the public sector.”

Prophetic words indeed, permit me to fast forward 5 years to 2013.  How does this world wide recession affect Barbados.  Take for example the “key” tourists markets for Barbados, let us use 2010 as an example.

Tourists Arrivals By Country Of Residence:

UK                              181,054

USA                            134,969

Canada                         72,351

CARICOM                    58,923

Trinidad & Tobago       27,259

In one of our KEY markets – the major one – the middle classes in the UK are under pressure, unemployment is higher than the Government there would like, those who have jobs want to keep them and pay their mortgages, the holiday in the sun to far away Barbados is not high on the affordability list.  A segment of that UK populace – those with Barbados connections – and money to spend have not been encouraged to visit Barbados by the welcome they have received in the past. . .a pity.  In some quarters they are seen as a people to fleece, that attitude has worked to the disadvantage of Barbados.

A lot of talk – like poking fingers in the sky – is made of past years but a reality check establishes different thinking.  Barbados’ tourism like other Caribbean countries have experienced downturns in the past but then our economy was more broadly based.  The artificially high prices paid by Europe under preferential arrangements for commodities like sugar lessened the impact.  That prop has been taken away, the situation now is completely different.

It matters not if the BLP is elected tonight, they coming to office will not alter the BASIC FACTS I have outlined.  A change of government “on its own” will matter little.  We should – will have to – lower our expectations as to what we should expect and what we can afford.  Some politicians are being disingenuous, when they say all the fault is with the other Party, they have mismanaged and we can make it all better.  In this economic climate . . they cannot.

Let us turn to Governance, on which there is more latitude and its effect on the quality of life experiences in Barbados.

There is a perception that some politicians have more integrity than others and that influences their actions.  Those without integrity take actions to the detriment of Barbados.  I will not venture into character assassination or enquire into the domestic arrangements of politicians, they are of little interest to me, it is for others to take personal positions.

I will touch briefly on POLLS.  Just recently a poll asked is the Alexandra issue settled?  When the question was asked Mr. Broomes was on sick leave and the BSTU was still in the process of having talks and many teachers – the transferees – had not returned to school.  The high percentage of those who responded with NO caused some alarm.  To my mind it was a “non question” it was evident to all that was a sensible response, in view of the circumstances at the time.  If they were asked is Alexandra in a better situation now than it was when the teachers came out on strike and before the Commission Of Inquiry sat.  The response would have been different.  Polls should be designed not to guide opinion but to reflect opinions “independently held.”  I believe given the cards the Government were left with – this was an old issue –  they accredited themselves satisfactorily.  Some will argue there was a quicker route, that is a moot point.

Barrack, not before time he is being paid.  The Government has seen to that, there is a reasonable argument it should have been done before. . . that I will not dispute.

CLICO: As I understand it Legal action is being taken, now it it is best left to see what the courts decide as the facts will no doubt emerge in a court of Law and those responsible will no doubt be held to account.

Unemployment is still too high but successive governments have found this a difficult nut to crack, even in times of plenty.  I fear it will have to be a holding operation.

There is still the vexed question of the Election Date, some here – clearly BLP supporters , they have said that – have suggested the longer the Prime Minister waits, it is to the BLP’s advantage.  If that is the case, why are they so excited and full of angst.  It is not as if something unlawful is being done.

If you look at the BLP’s Government over 14 years of favourable economic conditions and then look at the DLP during 5 years in a world wide recession.  I am inclined to think this DLP Administration deserves another five years in Government.  The last BLP Administration’s tenure in office is still too fresh for me to have a contrary position, but of course that is only a personal view.

0 thoughts on “The People's Poll: Prosperity Through Perseverance With The DLP?


  1. @ Yardfowl – “If you look at the BLP’s Government over 14 years of favourable economic conditions and then look at the DLP during 5 years in a world wide recession. I am inclined to think this DLP Administration deserves another five years in Government.”

    Therein lies the crux of the matter, your plea, with its quasi sound posits, a few of which I accept as true, juxtapose poor performance by a group of scamps in good times against poor performance by another group, in bad times.

    I too have felt that the DLP should not have won last time in 2008. It seems like it is always their mandate to come in on a sticky wicket and preserve the overnight batting order, until the next day. Then get dismiss on the first ball, or like sandi give up duh hand. Doan mind the characters on their side, it has been noted that this is their lot.

    When they loose, and it saddens me that they will, not for the various die hard reasons that DLPites and BLPites are espousing, but because FS will have single-handedly put the DLP into the doldrums for 15 to 20 years.

    I will be gone when the nex DLP government get back in but, by then, the state of my dear country is going be hell because the nincompoops on the other side also do not have a succession plan, and all the old farts, like me, will continue to fester in the halls of parliament, with fetid ideas until Paramount comes and takes us to Westbury. Mark my words, nuff state funerals and gun carriages down Eagle Hall.

    The fact is that, on either side of the divide, we do not have many visionaries, men and women who, in the face of this challenge, are “as constant as the northern star” and can plot a way out of this morass. Some of them cant even drive!! Bless Patrick Todd soul!! He is bereft of both practical skills and political competencies!

    And therein lies the true genius of Errol Barrow, that he, without any book or Westminster plan, charted a path for Barbados that made us the envy of the world, at one time, free education, school meals, free health care and the rest of it that I, and my grands, still benefit from up to today.

    You know how hard my muddah and faddah had to work for shillings to send us to ** school? You know what it is to go to school barefoot through rain or hot sun, pun brek up roads? To wear hand-me-downs for years? EWB changed all of that one time!!

    Fast forward through Tom, Bree, Sandi, Owen and the rest of these shadows of men and tell me at 81 years old, what inheritance or legacy dese scum are leaving for the younger generation?

    Look at Duguid and Estwick (our local equivalent of Clint Eastwood – gunslinger in parliament) Pornville, Alleyne White Rum Arthur and tell me if, in even thinking about your dispassionate reasoned statements, i can honestly arrive at a sound choice in representation and embrace this your “give them another five years” plea?

    I would really love to do that if only to address the next 15 years of DLP confinement to the Barbados political doldrums.

    The same way that the Republican party is going to be in the wilderness when Hilary runs for president and wins in 2016, barring the coming of our Lord, or overt aggression for the PRC et al, or some miracle, or Owen passing before General Elections call (Lord bless the Seethru and may he live long, but not in the position of PM given the short, vindictive man that he is), I feel that the DLP is going to be wiped off the attendance slate at Parliament for a while to come.

    I do fear that they will be going home, and like me i hope that you too can be hopeful that in years to come

    “Another Athens shall arise, and to remoter time,
    Bequeath, like sunset to the skies, the splendour of its prime”


  2. “And therein lies the true genius of Errol Barrow, that he, without any book or Westminster plan, charted a path for Barbados that made us the envy of the world, at one time, free education, school meals, free health care and the rest of it that I, and my grands, still benefit from up to today.”

    AND THE DEBT AND COST OF HIGH LIVING WE ARE PAYING FOR TODAY AS A RESULT OF THE INTRODUCTION OF THOSE FREENESSES


  3. One of the great regrets of the BU household is to see how we have to resort to political and ad hominem positions. No wonder so many have become disengaged from the process.


  4. If you look at the BLP’s Government over 14 years of favourable economic conditions and then look at the DLP during 5 years in a world wide recession. I am inclined to think this DLP Administration deserves another five years in Government.

    Mr. Yardbroom
    My friend and universal brother….while I salute your party loyalty and right to an inclination (popular or not)…..YOU ARE WRONG……Barbadians have shown their willingness to accommodate either party (last elections)…but they regretting that now….Stuart up to the moment,( more procrastination) has shown up the DLP shortcomings….People are scare now after the last 5 years of blunder-ous depth charges…..unknown in this land…(in time they will be listed again)…they want a PM who can LEAD…I am sure you agree Stuart’s biggest flaw ( Eager 11)..everyone know this and are NOT willing to follow blindly….not when they know a proven LEADER is in the wings…Yardie…we know times are tough but can we afford to take that risk, not knowing what is ahead in 2013-2018…given the DLP’s poor poor performances?….Such is the condition of things …The no longer want Stuart and Stuart has shown he is not backing down ….The word on the street…(check for yourself)..is ONE TERM


  5. @Yardbroom:
    “If you look at the BLP’s Government over 14 years of favourable economic conditions and then look at the DLP during 5 years in a world wide recession. ”

    The mere thought that you can continue- in your yellow coloured blinkers- to refer to the permanent economic adjustment or realignment in western capitalist economies as a “Recession” says a lot of your capacity to (to use a cliché)’ think out side the box’ of genuine ‘political economy’ analysis.

    What most Western economies are going through is not a “Recession” but a clearly identified paradigm shift in economic structures and trading relationships. The whole world is not going through this period of economic depression and you know this too, Yardbroom. If that were so there would have been a widespread collapse of the commodities markets.

    The poisoning of the financial markets by crooked parasites in those moribund Western economies has resulted in this lifeblood infecting the wider economic system limiting governments’ revenues streams and undermining public and social services and the welfare system already overly burdened by a fast aging population and sitting on a pension time bomb.
    This malignant strain of financial leukemia is not about to go anywhere soon unless a widespread catharsis is induced across those affected economies which could lead to significantly more social dislocation or reconfiguration of the role of the State; or even war.

    It would do you well to read Sir Frank Alleyne’s recent lecture on both the local and international economy sponsored by the CBB, I believe, and you might just pick up a few tips to argue your case for the retention of the DLP in power.

    It’s time Barbados comes to grips to the changing realities and become more proactive in diversifying and greening the local economy instead of waiting on some nebulous pick-up or rebounding of the ‘anciens régimes’ in North-Atlantic economies. The old ways of doing business are no longer on the horizon for Bim; neither should they be in the telescope of any leader of vision.

    That is why we need new leaders- not the current one or former- without myopic or cataract affected sight brought on by congenitial political diabetes to set a course for the future economic survival of this country whose economy is always hanging on a thread of spider web and need only the best leadership to keep it suspended.


    • If you listen to the narrative being pursued by the government and advisers (Sir Frank Alleyne) there is more than the suggestion that reorganising the economy is critical to sustaining our success. What we are NOT seeing is the thrust to win the minds of Bajans to give wings to the concomitant change in behaviour which must parallel fiscal/monetary policy.


  6. @ pieceaderock. .when one is able to compose as well as you obviously can,why kill your composition with that Yardfowl nonsense?Or is it that he should not have an opinion?Keep on sweeping Yard broom.


  7. When everyone stop being misled by the lying politicians that education, bus service etc are free then they will realize that it has all been funded by the taxpayers going back from the 60’s. These same disgusting politicians never mentioning all the GRANTS that came out of North America and Europe in the billions of dollars over those same decades that aided these projects, what they need to tell the people is what was done with all those funds and stop telling them it is all free.


  8. “I am inclined to think this DLP Administration deserves another five years in Government.”

    I think the difficulty most face is the question of whether the DLP deserves another five years or is it that the BLP doesn’t deserve to get back in. As Bushie always says our options are constrained beyond belief so we have to settle for a vote of competence and trust. Both of which are in short demand.

    @YArdbroom
    Reasoned attempt to support the cause of the DLP. Though I see some holes in the argument it wouldn’t do justice to the intent of the post for me to point them out. To be honest if I had to vote tomorrow the DLP representative in my constituency would get my vote for personal principled and philosophical reasons. But, across the 30 seats many will be asking themselves similar questions and the victorious party may just well not be the best, or most favoured….but they will have to lead.

    People say the Common Entrance is a superficial farce.
    People say job interviews for promotion in the Public Service is a farce.
    Are general elections now becoming the same? Or are they the same already?
    Can a party be more popular and preferred but still lose?
    What should our political goals and desires for active constituency representation be?
    Can’t we the people actually say WHAT we want instead of always digesting what others say and think we do?

    @David
    you are right, Partisan sniping robs us of discussion on ways forwards and revelations of people who can lead. Despite my robust debate at times the good of Barbados and Barbadians should be paramount. The reality is that no one side or no one leader can accomplish that on their own. Particularly in the age we are in and the generation we are working with

    Teamwork across the aisle, across the boundaries and despite the divides is the only solution for this country, its future and our children and grandchildren to come. I support any leader or party that sincerely holds true to this.

    Just Observing


  9. Now to find the party that will really practice all of the above without becoming self serving midway through their term.


  10. Two pleasant pieces of prose by Yardbroom and pieceofderockforreal without the nasty verbage. Good points presented on both sides. .


  11. The country has come to a crossroad on one side there are those who only see self interest and on the other hand there are those who see it necessary to put country first.. the paritisian politics is some wher in the middle .however this election should be one of charting a new economic path and direction for the country and there is no room for the geeme! geeme ! mentality which has taken a foothold on the survival of this country


  12. @ ac

    Step off the high horse for moment….what middle what? You ac middle ground?…..first sign of concede-nce…ya wait long…go cut ya staff


  13. @ balance

    I will use your name to convey why at a discrete instance in time when there is a need to have balance.

    Education and food are not the trappings of privilege and what I sought to say was at that point in time what EWB BROUGHT IS BALANCE!

    If i did not say so clearly let me elucidate and also say that too far East is West and to the degree that he gave options to the masses of the disenfranchised in Barbados is a thing of permanent record in our history books. The problem is that successive stewards, almost said Stuarts, have been unable to bring any shine to what they are tasked to manage.

    Let me use the MTW road maintenance crews to make my point. A man can clear 30 ft of gutters on the highway, 15 men placed ant 30 ft intervals will clear hypothetically 450 ft. but every morning you and I see them bunched in a 15 foot diameter and at the end of the day only 100 ft is cleared.

    The successors in our governmental sphere have similarly prostituted their responsibilities and in coming into the cricket fields after the overnight batsmen, have messed up the innings.

    There is nothing wrong with free school meals, healthcare or education where we, BLP & DLP have fallen down is in creating the complimentary mechanisms that support and sustain these systems and create a national psyche that is respectful of this privilege

    I could have easily just focused on the fact that we have a single thread economy that hinges on tourism and we have continued to bunch together like cattle on the tray to market without actively pursuing a diversification of our economy.

    And please don’t tell me anything about DLP or BLP party. They are both more of the same


  14. @millertheanunnaki | January 29, 2013 at 8:17 AM | Yes, I agree. Anyone who says you are a BLPite are wrong. What you are is a committed Bajan. I applaud that.

    @Observing(…) | January 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM | As always, a masterful comment provoking thought, without imposition. I wish I had your ability at that….it is such a rare gift.

    @ac | January 29, 2013 at 10:55 AM | Spelling (or what you regrettably consider to be spelling), punctuation and all aside, this is one of those rare occasions where I completely agree with you.


  15. Onions the BLP had their chance nuff times and blew all of them.there focus was on being reelected not on what was best for the natiion.and the proof in being seen now with a country having no resources to feed itself something that could have been done over such a long period of time given the time and finances which was avialable to the country. chArting a new path is what this election is about .not the corned beef politics that premeated the country for 14 years. COUNTRY FIRST all else is secondary


  16. @ ac
    The ‘certified liar’….3 terms in succession of bloom?….Take your crap to the Sewage Plant..maybe while there the Fontabelle lad may give you some pointers for Stuart ….’I don’t know’…lol


  17. Hi old onion bags, January 29, 2013, @ 7:18AM

    Quote:. . . “I am sure you agree Stuart’s biggest flaw (Eager 11)…everyone know this and are NOT willing to follow blindly. . . not when they know a proven LEADER is in the wings”. . .
    – – – – – – – – –
    As you suggested the events of above are Prime Minister Stuarts BIGGEST flaw. I will address them.

    Any Government has a limited number of Parlimentarians who are suited to Cabinet positions by experience and ability. If it is that you as Prime Minister has a Minister or members who have behaved to you “personally,” in a way that you would not wish but they are competent at what they do and are of benefit to the Country in their positions. Would you dismiss them, to show you are the BOSS MAN and in charge, or would you have a quiet word or even a loud one, away from the public glare. To tell them “YOU will put COUNTRY first and get on with the job for which we were elected, COUNTRY first my dear friends, always Country first.” This is not a GAME of bragging rights.

    That is LEADERSHIP my friend and it takes a “BIG man” to do that. . . power is not always the exercise of it, but when others “know” that you have it.

    Hi Observing(…) January 29, 2013 @ 9:42AM
    The intention of the article was not to close down debate but to solicit opinions, even from those who have contrary views. Note the thrust of my argument does not include character assination of others or any attempt to denigrate BLP achievements. It is a hard-headed look at what we have before us.

    Cool heads are needed in battle, not always the loud voice, it is OUTCOMES that matter in politics. . .I am looking at the long game with the “integrity of purpose”. . . this time the DEMS have it.
    I know you will not agree, but hey!! we can manage that.
    _ _ _ _ _ _

    Hamilton Hill
    Checkit-Out
    Georgie Porgie
    Thanks


  18. @ David [BU]

    AD HOMINEM

    Is it Demonsthenes who is accredited with saying “do as I say, not as I do?” and I would verily wish to adopt a blind eye to Seethru that is complexioned by this Latin dative construct but I cannot.

    I shall tell you why I cannot. Boychild post having his encounters with ESAField every weekend would take one hour to traverse Perry Gap’s wall on segregation on a trek that, when he was sober during the week, took him 5 minutes!

    Boychild was the village drunkard and was, due to his poor upbringing coupled with being a bastard, forgiven his rum imbibing to the point of lethargy and self abuse.

    Ad HOMINEM

    I give you the following excerpt from a 2009 article ” Japanese finance minister resigns after slurring his way through G7 briefing
    Shoichi Nakagawa blames bumbling and often incomprehensible performance on overdose of cold medicine”

    I can extend the kindness and mercy to Boychild because he, bless his soul, was the village clown, without any national responsibility but dear David, once you ascend the stairs to my Parliament you had better clean up your lesbianism, homosexuality or rumiel drinking ways because I WILL NOT SIT DOWN AS YOU Wouk up pun Julie and then try to tell me about my morals.

    Such brought the mighty Clinton out of the White and such such bring Seethru and persons of his ilk out of our Ilaro Court.

    We have been asking for mediocrity from these 30 servants of the people and when we get this filth, sitting back and “wondering where Barbados gone?”


  19. @ My Ole friend Yardie

    Sorry to have misled you with my bad bad grammar….but onions can only be onions and BU is not Hansard..I had referred to Stuart’s leaderships as his BIGGEST FLAW….

    To answer your corollary…IF I WERE FACED with Stuart’s predicament… in the interest of the country..I WOULD HAVE PASSED THE BATON…..but that is not ez…..esp when you have Benhur blood running in those veins….”to the last tether”….lol


  20. @yardbroom
    “Integrity of purpose is on the DLP side”

    Say a little more here please. Interesting perspective

    Observing


  21. From how the matter evolved, it more looked like Stuart welcomed the opportunity posed by the crisis to show his prowess with the law..more than an amicable solution…He knew the Eager 11’s attempt would fail….and saw this would be a feather in his cap coming out victorious….What he could not have envisage was that the E11 would be just as adamant….now there is a stalemate for ya…no winners


  22. To rehash BT’s point about a lack of leadership on the political front and most areas in Barbados – many on BU debate the merits of voting for one political party or the other yet if we were to pick one KPI to evaluate the performance of both parties – we can pick governance – there has been no appreciable improvement read tackling the Auditor General Report and Clico.


  23. Wishful thinking if one believes one can get everything right in all Departments, to the satisfaction all, all the time…but to be canon ball wrecking from Day1? Now that is totally reprehensible…

    Newsflash….Govt General informed of date…..BOOM


  24. Addendum:

    Surely to pick at others issues and neglect the integrity of our governance system and ethos is an exercise in spinning top in mud?


  25. Greek God Ethos surely then don’t visit our realm anymore. Queen Utopia saw to that…..she was also unable to please all….. So what then can we the ordinary do? A case of 8 outta 10..

    Ps. These DEMS that calling in on Brass tacks today, sound too pathetic….OMGosh!….call a spade a spade and dun..


  26. onions, at long last the date if 26 February 2013.

    From sunrise to sunset……on that day >>>>
    The hard working DEMS will hold sway>>>>>

    Tune into 92.9 right now for more details .


  27. CCC
    Enough of your silly games, we have had enough. You have been boxed into a corner , you are like a mouse caught in a corner and cannot get out! Look how silly you all look with a simple thing like choosing an election date!Even a simple task like this has turned into a big fiasco.


  28. “Barbados’ indebtedness is now approximately 117% of GDP. In the Caribbean region that is not the worse, St Kitts & Nevis is 153%. In case you say they are our little cousins. I will then turn to Jamaica whose indebtedness is 139% of GDP.”

    It wasn’t the worse in 2007-08 either, but the DLP went up and down Barbados implying otherwise. Why all of a sudden it is okay?

    In one of our KEY markets – the major one – the middle classes in the UK are under pressure, unemployment is higher than the Government there would like, those who have jobs want to keep them and pay their mortgages, the holiday in the sun to far away Barbados is not high on the affordability list.

    From the same market–St.Lucia (62,872) up 3.8%, Dominican Republic (857,522) down 1.7%, Barbados (142,049) down 8.1. Moreover, Virgin packages to Barbados are the cheapest to the Caribbean!!!


  29. Hi Observing (…) January 29, 2013, @ 1:06PM
    @ Yardbroom “Integrity of purpose is on the DLP side”
    “Say a little more here please. Interesting perspective”
    – – – – –
    (1) we are beset with many problems and a very limited budget, that means our resources must be utilised to maximum effect.

    ( 2) It is quite evident that our economy needs restructuring, if it is not we will drift into nothingness. When you have been in Government for three terms and made no serious progress in that direction. What will one more term add. We are reduced to marching on the spot. . .others are passing us by.

    (3) It cannot be that in a small country like Barbados, “some” politicians after a limited time in office, are becoming multi-millionaires almost overnight. I say this without being Party specific and make no accusations, I simply ask a question.

    (4) In Europe – the Parliamentary system we have adopted – politicians spend a lifetime in politics, often in charge of budgets worth thousands of millions £s and retire with a comfortable, modest living.

    (5) For us to move forward as a nation we must have people of “Integrity” to lead, for only then will others think such a stance is worthy of emulation. The PUBLIC PURSE must be that. The PUBLIC PURSE.

    (6) Without “INTEGRITY” woven into the fabric of how we conduct the people’s business. Nothing of real substance will change.

    (7) We must have a VISION, which gives PURPOSE to what we do, and that VISION is always underpinned by “INTEGRITY” because it will change the dynamics of everything we do.

    (8) Does the DLP have it all, perhaps not, but half a loaf is better than no loaf and where we are NOW, that is good enough.


  30. Check this…the latest of cartoons not coming out..(censored.)…

    snip

    Ole Molasses in an aircraft 40,000ft in the air, on his back the one n only parachute marked<> googles and all….Khris in the cockpit, glad to be in control…. the other 28 in bewilderment look dejectedly up to Ole Molasses as he hands each a roll of Comfort T- paper The aircraft’s door opens up…(Jump light comes on)… Hear Ole Molasses with a smirk for a smile…” “Cheer up wmen, at least with these in hand ….you won’t be too smelly should you land.”….OMG


  31. @ David
    But but but waitttttt……..Feb 1st—- 14th bare COLOR RED, ….the month of love for country and self….lol.


  32. what the bees are hoping for that the majority of barbadians would look back at BLP administration and try to recapture and relive those moments of glory years . However the electorate of 2012 would be more likely to cast their vote on reality and not one of grand illusion .Most people if given a choice between putting the country on the right track even if it means sacrifice for sustainable and long term viability and given a choice for short term self interest would not choose the later cause they understand that the benefits derived from the first choice would be of benefit to all in the long run for years to come.The BEES must have a manifesto that shows how it can put the country on the right path with positive economic growth and sustainability for years to come and as for now they have not SAID what plans they have for doing so.
    Meanwhile the DLP has already started charting such a path. this election cannot be won on gimmicks and false promises. the electorate of today have become more read and are aware of the many promises made in the past and not delivered,.advisably one must believe that putting country first would be ever so present in the minds of the electorate. even if it means sacrifice.


  33. onions the games have begun. WHat does the BLP have to put on the table. Believe you me this time around we are on a different path. no more cheap talk of how govt can do this and that to help every tom and Jane. The BLP must fly high above the radar to WIN this election. the window of opportunity that once avail itself over the past fourteen years has been closed.The BLP is on its own. the first trial balloon of Privatisation went bust and the people still have fears and lingering doubts seeing it as the difference between having a job and being unemployed .TRUST is the operative word to win the hearts and minds of the educated 2013 voter
    A question which is going to tear away at the heart strings of OSA and cause him many sleepless night until 21st February comes and go


    • Given today’s announcement both parties are likely to release their Manifestos shortly – how much credence can we placed in this social contract anyway.


    • @Hants

      It is sad to see the usual political rhetoric morph to the nonsense which makes for political debate. The exigencies of now should be what influence debate at this time.


  34. ” I believe given the cards the Government were left with – this was an old issue – they accredited themselves satisfactorily. something unlawful is being done.”

    “If you look at the BLP’s Government over 14 years of favourable economic conditions and then look at the DLP during 5 years in a world wide recession. I am inclined to think this DLP Administration deserves another five years in Government.”

    Creditable defence of your party’s position Mr Yardbroom but Mr Arthur was laughed to scorn when he said he had much more work to do and warned of the imminent recession.Mr Thompson poopoohed economics and his apologists including the gentleman referred to as Arthur by Mr Wickham followed suit on down to brasstacks. yes there has been a recession but evidence indicates that the DLP was left with a reasonably good hand which if played satisfactorily and given the enormous goodwill in their favour could have assured them of another five years rather than now having to rely on pitiful pleas of empathy for another term from goodnatured persons like yourself and the same Arthur of down to brasstacks fame.Mr Yardbroom,the political is bare on both sides of the fence and the DLP might yet scrape home but people are worse off than prior to 2008 and not all believe that the recession is entirely to blame., so your work is cut out. Small economies like Barbados with little resources need to be constantly oiled to keep the engine running; in short money need to be circulating for people to spend so that businesses/village shops will flourish and workers will be employed and taxes and vat and national insurance will be paid and so on. sort of a merry go round. but when you take money out of the hands of the middle class and blue collar workers who make up the bulk of the purchasing power in the economy and who as a result become the engine of economic growth then the economy is bound to stagnate.


  35. both parties must be careful not to offer what they cannot deliver. for one the BLP is going to find this very challenge as a party who have been in power for many years and whose manifestos would have been much easier to deliver on promises during the good years .However Day now has turned into night for the BLP and the financial freedom which they once enjoyed has dried up and having a manifesto chocked full of goodies in hard economic times would been seen as politricks and an eventual turnoff to the voter.On the other hand the DLP must be vigorous in their manifesto on SUSTANABILTY which will leads to economic growth and freedom for ALL both parties have their work cut out for them and the election is going to be fought hard and won on Believability and trust,

    At this stage there is no magic bullet or silver spoon. i give the DEMS the Edge for they have shown that the can sustain an economy with limited fiances and resources now it is tp to DEM to deliver their message with utmost importance and persuasion. Leave PERCEPTION for the BEES that is the only way they know HOW.


  36. it really upsets me to see the shite ac is talking. the DLP in the last election promise this country the world of shite and could not deliver. so if the people of this country is going make anyone hard on their manifesto promises it would be the DLP.

    stop the hog wash ac, people not buying that crap like in 2008.


  37. Sound the Alarm! Without REPENTANCE to God, and surrender, by Faith, to the Lordship of His Son, The Lord Jesus Christ, there is NO* way forward;
    regardless of which Party is elected!

    The greatest Nation ever to arise in history, America, is now under God’s Harbinger ‘warnings’ as precisely identified by Rabbi/Pastor Cahn, and will continue on its present path of economic collapse and ultimate destruction, unless, there is sincere Repentance.

    Only if B’dos Repents nationally, can God protect, and restore His blessings upon our small, vulnerable, Island state.

    There is no other way forward out of the dire mess we are in!


  38. The rich will get richer the poor will get poorer and the winning party and its inner circle of supporters will suck the marrow from the bones of the once fatted calf.

    Wunna betta hope and pray that there is a miraculously world economic recovery if you want to go back to the glory days.


  39. David after the elections we should have some serious discussion about Nation building.

    For the next few weeks it is fete and comedy so lets be entertained.


  40. ac while you keep asking that question, i’m sure the BLP will lay out a plan in its manifesto but i can ask you what DLP have to offer in way of economic growth and sustainability? see as they have been the party in office. remember S&P and Moody’s all them they are going the wrong direction.

    I mention S&P and Moody’s because despite what you DEMs say they are the ones who overseas investor look to for a country’s rating and ours is JUNK if you forget.


  41. Anyone heard the Minister of Housing mention solar energy in the much hyped 2,000 houses project at Bush Park Villages? Yuh mean dem gine mek the same mistakes again?


  42. david the last plan the BLP laid out was in the last budget that MIA mottley presented chock full of goodies and landen with gifts for everyone. that does not in anyway speaks to viabilty . if that is what to expect . well… .


    • @ac

      Have you read about the plan by Minister David Estwick to invest 400 million to revitalize the sugar industry? Both sides are promising to spend millions, so where is the money coming from?


  43. @balance | January 29, 2013 at 7:26 PM |

    “Creditable defence of your party’s position Mr Yardbroom but Mr Arthur was laughed to scorn when he said he had much more work to do and warned of the imminent recession.Mr Thompson poopoohed economics and his apologists including the gentleman referred to as Arthur by Mr Wickham followed suit on down to brasstacks. yes there has been a recession but evidence indicates that the DLP was left with a reasonably good hand which if played satisfactorily and given the enormous goodwill in their favour could have assured them of another five years rather than now having to rely on pitiful pleas of empathy for another term from goodnatured persons like yourself and the same Arthur of down to brasstacks fame”

    balance,

    I could not agree with you more.

    The Dems were given a good hand and they blew it. All the scorn and criticism they heaped on the BLP over the last five years, they have never said that they found an empty treasury.

    They came in, novices that they are and started spending like drunken sailors on shore leave. They spent themselves into oblivion talking about Barbados is not only an economy, it is society. They gave away, gave away and when all the money gone they went then to the NIS and have been raiding NIS every month.

    They had a plan to win by their nasty campaign but never stopped to think that now we have the government, we have to govern. Instead they spent their time touring here and touring there. Every time a minister was shifted, more touring. And blaming. Now they have realised that the people are mad as hell with them, they begging for a second chance.


  44. @ac
    “but tell me what does the BEES have to offer in way of economic growth and sustanabilty”………………

    The BLP offers a completely different path to what the Dems have Barbados on now. We have to do things differently because clearly what you Dems are doing now aint “wukking.”

    TIME FOR CHANGE!


  45. Barbados has no natural resources and an education system that is fundamentally skewed towards academics and devoid of Creative programs and Computing skills.

    The only path to success will be long term restructuring of the Education system to meet the requirements of current and future income generating endeavors.


  46. @ac
    Get off the anti-privatisation bandwagon, there is audio proof of the Minister of Finance Christopher Sinckler in Parliament talking about the privatisation of NHC and Transport Board to loud thumping of desks by fellow DLP parliamentarians. He was also heard by the whole of Buhbaduss on Brasstacks.


  47. @ ac
    what the bees are hoping for that the majority of barbadians would look back at BLP administration and try to recapture and relive those moments of glory years.

    With a comment like the one above are you sure you want your party to win the elections?


  48. David thereis good debt and bad debt . if the reviltilasation of the sugar industry using the concepts as laid out by dr EStwick help to bring in much needed foreign exchange and jobs the necessity to borrow would be all worth it .in addition the many many projects involved in restructing the industry would be money worthwhile spending as the industry would have more to offer and compete in world markets generating enough income to repay the loan and eventually sustaining itself . .Now on the other hands many of the give away proposals by the Bees as outlined in their budget .does not have the same stimulating effect on the economy. and would add to the high defecit while not helping to generate foreign exchange.


  49. I really hope the current crop of politicians bear in mind that the world has been having economic difficulties for the last decade, these difficulties started in the US. The trickle down effect only started to affect Bim in 2008-2009, because nothing was done to stem the negative flow prior to those dates, and after those dates even less was done to stem dependency on imports etc, we now see the fall out. i hope whoever wins this election is not planning a honeymoon period. DLPs honeymoon lasted a good 2-3 years for one reason or another, now look where the country is at. I also hope that the lip service regarding agriculture and food security stops, i listened to it for over a decade ad nauseam yet there is still all that dependency..


  50. Hi balance, January 29, 2013 @ 7:26PM
    You “misquoted” me to make your point. I cannot let it stand but I am a generous man, it could have been a “genuine” error on your part.

    You quoted me as saying:
    ” I believe given the cards the Government were left with – this was an old issue – they accredited themselves satisfactorily. something unlawful is being done.”
    _ _ _ _ _ _
    I wrote: I believe given the cards the Government were left with – this was an old issue – they accredited themselves satisfactorily. Some will argue there was a quicker route, that is a moot point.
    _ _ _ _ _ _

    I only mentioned “unlawful” here:
    There is still the vexed question of the Election Date, some here – clearly BLP supporters, they have said that – have suggested the longer the Prime Minister, waits, it is to the BLP’s advantage. If that is the case, why are they so excited and full of angst. It is not as if something unlawful is being done.
    _ _ _ _ _ _
    Now to matters at hand, they have been constant urgings to RING THE BELL,it has been rung, let the fight begin.
    It is possible the DLP will be returned with a slender, though working majority. It is incumbent on “all” DLP parliamentarians to work hard and walk that extra mile to ensure they are on board the boat when it sails.

    If the DLP genuinely believe that they have something of worth to offer this beloved country of ours, and the masses can thank them for the legacy they will leave. . . they should go out to all the Parishes of this land and let it be known, it is a message worth telling.


  51. From what I am reading today, stuart is showing utter contempt for the taxpayers (electorate), he of all people should be able to define the word contempt and the backlash, for every action…………………………


  52. The Election date has been set and what you will see is the intensification of the Nation newspaper’s 5 year campaign against the DLP government. You will see more quotes from Arthur and others from the BLP at almost every page and story. Sanka Price will play his role, Harry Russell, Ezra Alleyne, Peter Symmonds. Pat Hoyos and Albert Brandford and all the other BLP operatives who masquerade as “independent journalists”.
    In the face of all the above consistent evidence of the Nation newspaper BLP bias, could someone at the Nation explain – Is it fair and balanced to give a free space to the so called BLP spokesman Clyde Mascoll to play politics without offering the same to the DLP?
    Mascoll’s column was always used for political propaganda dressed up as economics.
    The BLP campaign headquarters is not in Roebuck Street but at Nation newspaper headquarters on Fontabelle.


  53. You have a so called independent journalist in Sanka Price who has moved from writing about “who horning who” to being an economics expert since January 2008.
    In the middle of a general election campaign and after criticising everything this government did for the last 5 years, this senior Nation newspaper editor concludes his “fair and balanced” article with the words (There is clearly a need to change course) but of course The Nation newspaper is not biased against the DLP – just like Fox News is not biased against Obama.


  54. National BLP ignore the Nation . stop giving them so much exposure . AS the campaign get into full swing give the exposure to media houses that show the progress and body of work done by the DLP and much can be found in the Advocate. the Nation does not worth your time and aggravation.


  55. @ac

    Why do you think the DLP is currently advertising in the Nation newspaper?

    Scroll down!

    Despite what you believe it has the widest circulation in Barbados.


  56. I don’t know what all the hullabaloo about the Nation Newspaper is about.

    There are two things to consider. It is to be noted that in a dog and pony show when there is only one dog and one pony well……

    The US newspaper the Enquirer publishes libelous material one it matters not who. They word what is called a spread and used the revenues of sales to pay the people who sue them and the rest is gravy.

    Vivianne is not of the cadre of Harold Hoyte. She is Enquirer DNA and has hitched her wagon to the OSA crew

    It is simple business sense. She is selling newspapers not sentiment or values. Her five figure salary is not justified by dispassionate reporting nor unbiased articles espousing virtuous activities she is selling scum and consequently is to be admired for making the single newspaper as successful as it is.

    Harold had balls as most of the big Botsie British women staff he used to hire would attest, that sly silvered fox, Viviane does not


  57. I say it now before it happens, be wary of those who come bringing results of Opinion Polls. Think on the questions asked and in which context words are used; be masters of your own destiny and be in control of your actions.


  58. @ NationBLPnewspaper | January 30, 2013 at 7:02 AM |
    “You have a so called independent journalist in Sanka Price who has moved from writing about “who horning who” to being an economics expert since January 2008.”

    And if you look into the “Fractured BLP” mirror crookedly positioned in the smelly washroom in George St. you will see a striking resemblance to Sanka.
    Another prostitute willing to sell your morals and principles that you preach about to the same political devil and money god. Why are you enriching the Nation newspaper and by extension underwriting the lies and filth authored by Sanka Price by placing exceedingly expensive ads in the same dirty rag sheet that is, according to you et al sullying the pristine name of your DLP and its current leader the yellow pimpernel of false integrity.

    Do you believe that EWB would have ever put up with that sort of duplicity?
    Stick to the Advocate and CBC. Come February 22nd you will see how much the Advocate is behind you when its monthly revenues streams from known Government agencies come to an abrupt end.

    Here is how the Book your party likes to used to further its political subterfuge and con game some of which will be witnessed in Bay Street this evening:
    Revelation 21 -6-8 ON LIARS & CON MEN (ASK ZOE IF YOU ARE IN DOUBT)
    He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.
    He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
    But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS (including the fumbler)—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”


  59. @Miller
    Come February 22nd you will see how much the Advocate is behind you when its monthly revenues streams from known Government agencies come to an abrupt end
    *************.
    Are you saying that a BLP Gov’t would seek to punish those in the media who they believe does not support them?

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose


  60. Can anyone tell us on BU what is this anti nation blogger’s problem for so long with the Nation? I mean, my goodness, you have gone past nauseating!

    If you Dems have such a beef with the Nation why are they advertising in the same paper the are villifying.

    The Nation gives the DLP more than adequate coverage, so much so I have always been amazed since they know that the DLP hates its guts. The DLP gets front page or back page prominence daily. Good thing I was not the one making the decisions there otherwise the DLP would only get covered when it has to do with the governance of this country but nothing to do with party politics!

    Yet, the nation critic sees nothing wrong with the naked politics played out on CBC daily especially last night and the Advocate.


  61. It seems clear from listening to Dale Marshall on the talk show today that the BLP will be slow to commit to corruption in public life legislation.


  62. He said it will be done but refused to give it a time frame. They would be wise to give it priority. It would resonated well with the public!


  63. @ Sargeant | January 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM |
    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose”

    The more things change, the more they remain the same is generally applicable but certainly not in this specific case.
    Listen Sarge, this is not about revenge or getting back at anyone.
    You are not here on the ground so I would suggest you take some time out and stay on the side lines on this particular charge and let local inside knowledge be the guide.
    The Advocate is being propped up by underhand transfers without concomitant value for money. Trust me there is truth in this charge.
    The Advocate gets money from taxpayers as pay back for the role it played in the 2008 GE and ongoing propaganda support.
    But thank goodness the trough will soon be removed from the overfed gluttonous myopic abuser of a hog.


  64. Sargeant wrote”Are you saying that a BLP Gov’t would seek to punish those in the media who they believe does not support them?

    Yes. If Owen is PM.

    Millertheanunaki keeps talking bout” here on the ground”. Does he think we have to travel by steamship and listen to short wave radio?


  65. @ Hants | January 30, 2013 at 7:31 PM |
    “Millertheanunaki keeps talking bout” here on the ground”. Does he think we have to travel by steamship and listen to short wave radio?”

    Yes! It seems so indeed. The way you and Sarge keep seeing this current DLP administration through the lens of EWB’s halcyon days of well governed ‘Bubadus’ for the social good of the black masses. Even the miller smiles when he reminisces of that golden age of social and economic development.

    Listen Hants, sorry to disappoint you but you need to stop looking through rose-coloured glasses and truly see the present lot as an incompetent motley collection of brigands, idiots, vagabonds and bold-faced corrupt crooks like Lashes the money Launderer, Low(e)down Dennis Mr. 5 &10 Percent and the buffoon bullshit artist Sincklow the weathercock liar all of whom leave too much to be desired to risk the future of this country in their nasty undesirable get-rich-quick hands.
    A lot, unfortunately, much worse than their predecessors.
    Time 2 dun wid Dem!


  66. David, if Barbados is as bad as the BLP running around saying, where all the money for the BLP ads coming from? All of that money did not come from overseas. They spending millions on facebook, radio, newspapers and free fetes.Obviously, many BLP party financiers and supporters have been doing quite well in Barbados.


  67. @Hants
    Millertheanunaki keeps talking bout” here on the ground”. Does he think we have to travel by steamship and listen to short wave radio?
    *******************
    We get messages via Morse Code ….SOS….SOS….SOS

    @Miller
    I don’t remember the Advocate in the DLP camp prior to the last Election; and about your accusation against the DLP Ministers just think circa 2007 the same accusation was being levelled against some of the BLP ministers who are standing for election again.


  68. Frugabe says that Muscle Mary is the first person to call him ugly…ROFLMAO. I wonder what type of mirror has he been using all these years?

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