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Caswell Franklyn, Head of Unity Workers Union

I have come to the conclusion that many local politicians seem to have an aversion to telling the truth, even when the truth would not hurt them; their default position is to lie. Nothing has borne that out more than the privatisation debate that is presently gripping the country.

Opposition Leader, Owen Arthur, articulated a policy on privatisation that almost mirrors previously stated DLP policy. Unfortunately, that policy inflamed the passions of a section of the community, particularly the trade union movement, to the extent that the president of NUPW called a press conference to reiterate his union’s opposition. Sadly, the DLP chose to shift gears and disavow their longstanding policy, claiming that it would lead to job losses. Interestingly enough, only Minister of Finance, Christopher Sinckler, had the courage to admit publicly that both parties are at one on the privatisation issue.

It is that either Owen Arthur is extremely clever or the DEMS are exceedingly dumb. He set up the DLP by outlining their well established policy, on privatisation, as his; and they, with the exception of Sinckler, were silly enough to repudiate everything that they stood for.

The DLP’s longstanding policy on privatisation was issued as a ministerial statement in the House of Assembly on November 10, 1992 by the then Minister of State in the Ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs, David Thompson. The statement can be found at pages 2600 and 2601 of Hansard for the First Session 1991 – 96.

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120 responses to “DLP's Privatisation Dilemma”

  1. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    “only Minister of Finance, Christopher Sinckler, had the courage to admit publicly that both parties are at one on the privatisation issue.”

    Not true.

    The Minister was misquoted. Get your “facts” right.

  2. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Obviously you were not at the DLP meeting at Springer Memorial School last sunday where our Prime Minister delt with this so call “there is no difference” on privatisation issue, otherwise you would not be writing what you are writing now!

  3. David Avatar
    David

    For those who can’t be bothered to read the Hansard document attached, here is what the late David Thompson had to contribute on the matter of privatization:

    2. State-owned Enterprises approved for privatisation in the process of being privatised:
    Arawak Cement Company Ltd.Barbados National Oil Company Ltd.Barbados Transport BoardHeywoods Holiday ResortNational Petroleum Corporation.
    3. State-owned Enterprises approved for privatisation October 1, 1992 through sale of shares Insurance Corporation of Barbados Caribbean Aircraft Handling Company Caribbean Broadcasting Corporation. Government intends to utilise the privatisation programme as a vehicle for broadening the base of the share-owning public in Barbados. In the execution of this policy every effort will be made to ensure that theBarbadian public is kept fully informed of the state owned enterprises to be privatised and of the consequential investment opportunities.

  4. David Avatar
    David

    He went on to state the following:

    With the introduction of the privatisation programme, Government has clearly signalled its intention to reduce the scope of its operations in commercially oriented enterprises in favour of the private sector. For the first time ever the Barbadian public will be afforded the opportunity to become stake-holders in a variety of enterprises.

  5. David Avatar
    David

    @caswell

    The retort to this submission is that Prime Minister Stuart was not part of the government at the time. The government obviously will integrate privatization as part of its strategy, the issue here is which state agencies. The government, like Miller has stated, may not be in a position to dictate which state assets it places on the auction block.

  6. ac Avatar
    ac

    the only thing set up is OSA face. trying all wunnawant to tie the DLP to OSA coat tails of PRIVITISATIOn not gonna work.

  7. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ carson C. Cadogan | November 21, 2012 at 10:16 PM |
    “Not true. The Minister was misquoted. Get your “facts” right.”

    Seems as if someone else is using your handle, Carson. So I will just refer to this person as Carrion No.2 ,if it is alright with you No.1.

    No. 2 why are you trying to make Sinckler look like a blatant liar? Why are you following the footsteps of NO. 1 that only ac can outmatch in the art of lying?
    Thousands of people heard Sinckler on the VOB call in programme Brasstacks last week made it abundantly clear by repeating it as prompted by Peter Wickham that there was no philosophical and fundamental difference or divide between the DLP and the BLP as far as privatization is concerned.

    Now you, Carrion, coming here on this blog making out the man Sinckler to be a liar and insulting the intelligence of thousands of listeners including David the blog master. We don’t have wax in our ears neither are we thick as two planks between them.

    Man you got the rotten guts to tell us crap about the Minister didn’t say so!
    Man, go bring and come again as my Jamaican friends would say. Or in the current and popular lingo of the local esteemed and honourable talk shop , “man, go ca ya mudda sc**t from bout hey do!

  8. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    We are going with the current position of the Democratic Labour Party on privatisation.

    Ok?

  9. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Dont blame me.

    I extended an invitation to all and sundry to attend the Democratic Labour Party meeting at Springer Memorial School last sunday.

    If you failed to attend and hear what our Prime Minister had to say about Privatisation and you are now working with grossly outdated information, then that is your fault.

    Noe mine!

  10. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Carson C. Cadogan | November 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM |

    The Democratic Labour Party
    invite you
    to the joint meeting of the

    TH ST. MICHAEL EAST & CENTRAL BRANCHES

    This Sunday
    At Springer Memorial School
    Nov. 18, 2012 at 5.00 PM
    Featured Speaker
    THE HON. FREUNDEL STUART Q.C. MP
    Prime Minister
    other speakers
    STEVE BLACKETTE MP
    KENNETH BEST MP
    JOHN BOYCE MP

    JOBS————————”GONE WID OWEN”

    live streaming
    http://www.dlpbarbados.org

    this invitation was extended to everyone. Not my fault that you BLP apologists failed to turn up and be educated!!!!!

  11. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    For the record, the Democratic Labour Party will be no part of the Barbados Labour Party’s “PARO POLITICS” OF

    SELL, SELL, SELL.

    An Island going cheap, step right up!!

    As they used to say at the Garrison savanah on race days, “MONEY DOWN, HANDS UP”.

    No blog owner, we wont be a part of this.

    Future Bajans will thank us from the bottom of their hearts.

  12. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Caswell:

    An excellent piece of investigative journalism, if we can label it so. Well done, Cassie a true blooded ‘cawmere boy to de bone’!
    “Foes in plenty we shall meet
    Hearts courageous scorn defeat
    So we press with eager feet
    Up and on, up and on.
    Ever upward to the fight
    Ever upward to the light
    Ever true to God and Right
    Up and on, up and on.”

    Your contribution really exposes the hypocritical position taken by the PM and some of the idiots on this blog with regard to the privatization issue. Ac, is the cap fitting?

    It certainly reinforces Minister Sinckler’s position which is one of realism given our fiscal quagmire and the economic black hole we are facing.
    Here we have recorded in Hansard a template that- in the event the DLP is returned to power as punishment for their lies- they can use as the basis of a forced privatization policy announcement in April 2013; with the necessary amendments and errata to reflect the removal from the list those entities already divested and the inclusion of those statutory corporations established since 1994 and fiscally sinking the ship of State.

    Just remember that list of entities up for privatization will have been approved by the IMF and given to the political pit bull Estwick to be the Government’s town crier in announcing the coming sale with the following footnote:
    Those entities that fail to attract interested buyers will be closed with immediate effect.

    I believe Sinckler is smart enough to avoid being stained and tainted with the gore from the political bloodbath that would ensue to destroy the DLP. There is always room for an alternative party to replace an institution that commits political hari-kari. Anyone for a new look NDP?

  13. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    No selling of CBC.

    No selling of Transport Board.

    No selling of the Ministry of education.

    No selling of the Health care system.

    No selling of NCC.

    No selling of the Airport.

    No selling of the Seaport.

    No selling of the BWA.

    Attend the meeting and be educated, did I mention that the meeting are free?

  14. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    I will keep everyone informed when and where the next Democratic Labour Party meeting will be held.

    Dont miss it and then come writing rubbish.

  15. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ carson C. Cadogan | November 21, 2012 at 11:32 PM |
    “No selling of the Ministry of education.”

    Why don’t you deal with current account matters first before discussing capital matters?

    When is the government going to meet its contractual financial obligations to the UWI?
    Didn’t you hear the Principal crying out for help?
    He is forced to take up the “lickle” research grant funding and endowment money to pay salaries for the administrative and teaching staff. How long can it go on? Where is the money promised by the government a few weeks ago?
    Man the people just can’t tek it no more! No more lies in 2012!

  16. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Blog owner

    Why not write a thread about the extra take home pay that Civil Servants are now enjoying?

  17. JUST ASKING Avatar
    JUST ASKING

    An excellent piece of investigative journalism, if we can label it so. Well done, Cassie a true blooded ‘cawmere boy to de bone’!
    =
    ==STOP DE SHITE TALK ABOUT SCHOOL NUH—WUNNA JOKERS
    0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
    carson C. Cadogan | November 21, 2012 at 11:32 PM | No selling of CBC.

    No selling of Transport Board.

    No selling of the Ministry of education.

    No selling of the Health care system.

    No selling of NCC.

    No selling of the Airport.

    No selling of the Seaport.

    IS BARE SHITE TALK
    NOT REALISTIC

    OWEN ARTHUR TRICK THEM

  18. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    David (10:27)

    It would have been good if the DLP had announced their policy changes in advance, not after Owen Arthur was taking criticism. Further, it would have even been better if they had informed Sinckler that the policy had changed. It seems as though they are making up policy as they go along to fit the situation.

    Clearly, the DEMS have been caught with their pants down. What we need in this country is a little honesty, not damage control.

  19. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Reblogged this on Caswell Franklyn’s Weblog.

  20. Nia Avatar
    Nia

    It never ceases to amaze me how Carson and AC deny blatant evidence that shows that the Dems are actually not anti-privtisation but are infact just trying to play politics with Barbadians (as expected). An excellent example of said privatisation is the Gems of Bdos hotels like Savnnah and Time Out at the Gap which were previouslyb goverment-owned and were sold to Bernie Weatherhead, a private businessman. They are doing much better now, privately-owned. This is a succesful example of privatisation.

    Hypocrisy and sudden policy switching will not serve the DLP well.

  21. Tell me Why Avatar
    Tell me Why

    Carson. Who ever you are. It is about time you take off the political hat and be truthful to intelligent bajans. I cannot believe you made this submission asking David for the following.
    “Why not write a thread about the extra take home pay that Civil Servants are now enjoying?”

    Civil Servants and private sector workers were made the poorer by the reduction in salary due to the withdrawal of allowances as much as $400.00 and with the tax bracket, people now getting back around $200.00. That’s is still a shortfall of $200.00. Probably you seems to be a mathematical failure regarding “if yuh tek um way, yuh should give um back” Not give back part.

  22. Caswell Franklyn Avatar
    Caswell Franklyn

    Carson (10:22)

    I do not attend any political meetings. I rely on the media that is being misused for political purposes for my information. What I see is what the public gets and clearly the abuse of the media is not having the desired effect.

  23. We do not want back Owen Arthur Avatar
    We do not want back Owen Arthur

    You know the rejection of the “privatisation gimmicks” cutting the BLP ass when you hear all the BLP apologists on this blog now saying “it is not only us, the DLP for it too”.
    This thing blowing up in Owen and Mascoll face, the people against it and you could quote from 1991 or 1891. mark my words – this WILL COST THE BLP nuff votes especially from the workers at the Transport Board, the Airport,and the other agencies who will be sent home if these entities go into private hands.
    As my son and his friends will say “REAL TALK”.

  24. We do not want back Owen Arthur Avatar
    We do not want back Owen Arthur

    The BLP yardfowls like to point to BNB now Republic Bank as the shining privatisation example.
    Excuse me, is a bank not in the business of making money solely?
    Good for the private sector, now tell me when a private sector owner decides that he owns a bus route and to minimise his fuel expense he will not be heading to certain rural parishes, who will lose out?
    When he decides that to break even,either bus fare must be increased or the payroll must be cut. Who will lose out?
    Get real – for certain entities privatisation will mean JOB LOSSES AND A LOT OF THEM.
    The BLP knows this but does not have the honesty to admit it so their public realtions firm Red Advertising told them to sell it as enfranchisement. – Stupse.
    I repeat Owen Arthur has shown that his intellectual cupboard is bare except for the bottle of hypocrisy with the ingredients of a Prime Minister for 14 years who saw these tranfers and subsidies grow and did nothing.
    Barbados does not need Owen Arthur.

  25. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    We all know this administration cannot, I say again cannot continue to feed this grasshopper (now ‘big guts horse‘) the Transport Board forever. Especially when excess revenue is no longer coming. Revenue springs that once existed from sources like Tourism and the slowly chopped off middle index finger International Business, which once help fed the Leviathan, have slowly been drying up. No sir, it cannot continue. Four million dollars a month till infinity? We are not that daft. Something must be done to either make the Transport Board more efficient, (which successive Government have failed for years) or find someone or new plan, which can. Instead of offering workable solutions on this one, we are hearing empty criticisms. Like Transport Board was instituted for a reason, and we keeping it so … Now that is stupidity with a reason. Obviously an election’s return envisaged. Not without some leakage of truths however, for was it not a dime drop or ‘sinker,’ that leaked signs of a philological similar parallel? Anybody can criticize, tell us what do you plan to do with the problem. Give us solutions not just playing dumb and looking out for a chance to be opposing.

  26. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    “Clearly, the DEMS have been caught with their pants down”

    I think that you have been caught with your pants down.

  27. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    NIA

    “They are doing much better now, privately-owned. This is a succesful example of privatisation.”

    What about the taxpayers $400million sunk into them by your “brilliant” Barbados Labour Party?

    Can you and me get that back?

  28. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Tell me Why | November 22, 2012 at 1:52 AM |

    It would appear as though you miss the Meeting at Springer Memeorial school last Sunday as well!

    You guys have no excuse you know.

    First of all, the meetings are FREE, we are not selling entry to them. Dont miss the next one. In that way you will not come here and write HOGWASH. You would be writing and speaking from an Educated perspective.

    When you are coming bring to the next meeting bring along CASWELL. He could learn a thing or two!!!!!

  29. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    Transport Board’s hemorrhaging must be addressed either by the administration, or by a foreign intermediary such as the IMF. Barbados just cannot allow the loss of $ 4million each and every month. It defies common sense and good money management. We can split the TB into four sections.(1) Private overall management (2) ownership of some buses with assoc. by bus drivers who so interested. (3) Ownership by directors of UCAL (4) Who ever so interesting in bus ownership like local investors.
    Of course Govt will still have control by way of regulatory board, setting out pensioners and the aged free travel. They can also pay bu subsidy the free childrens fares. This is no rocket science. Just a new business plan and expeditious implementing.

  30. ac Avatar
    ac

    blp gasping trying to find a way out of the strangehold they put themselves in. pointing to the words of David Thompson as proof for DLP plans in 2012 for Privatisation. WE have our PM STUART the now leader saying that PRIVATISATION is not going to happen under is watch and have giving many reasons for it not happening also citing that the bus service under Privitisation had failed and the government had to take over. NOw that the BLP has tied itself in knots it needs a scissors or a jackhammer to remove them and caswell the little dummerboy with scissors and jackhammer in hand has found solace and peace as evedience in david thompson statement of 1991 this is a sorry story of how “misery loves company”

  31. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    A VOTE FOR THE BARBADOS LABOUR PARTY IS A VOTE FOR THIS AGAIN:-

    (currently taking place in Jamaica under Portia Simpson)

    “GENERATION 2000 (G2K) has stated that in the interest of accountability Prime Minister Simpson Miller must provide the public with a full outline of the job descriptions, salaries and benefits of all of the government’s consultants, advisors and assistants.

    “The politics of benefits and spoils going to party loyalists continue to plague us in this our 50th year as a nation,” declared G2K president Floyd Green.

    “In order for us to move forward, transparency and accountability must be our goal. While we acknowledge that governments will, from time to time, need to look outside for scarce expertise to satisfy particular needs, it is unacceptable, given the current economic challenges facing the country, to be paying such high salaries for the wholesale hiring of party functionaries and supporters,” he said in a release today.”
    “

  32. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    DLP for Love of Country | November 22, 2012 at 7:38 AM |

    I am not sure I understand what it is you are saying.

    But the DLP’s position is that the Transport Board is a social good which must be Government owned.

  33. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ JUST ASKING | November 22, 2012 at 12:32 AM |
    ” STOP DE SHITE TALK ABOUT SCHOOL NUH—WUNNA JOKERS”

    Man why you don’t leave dem cawmere boys and girls alone before Onions, Bushie and Observer come for you?

    We were just stroking Caswell’s ego to stimulate his intellectual thought and get more information from him.
    Why don’t you tell Wickham and Maureen Holder to stop with the ‘Foundationite’ shite talk on the call-in programmes? They claim that the brightest people in Bim went to Foundation especially the current PM.

    You lucky that the DLP don’t rename Cawmere the David Thompson Memorial College for Liars and Crooks.

    BTW, Just Asking, what has become of your forecast of BLP 29; DLP 0; Independent 1?
    Who is the Independent? Mara or Kelly?
    Ya hear shite talk, that is shite talk from Just Asking? You must stop visiting the Sewage Plant as if it is your favourite intellectual fast food outlet. (LOL!!!)

  34. ac Avatar
    ac

  35. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    Mr Carson C C, so are you saying if Transport Board was hemorrhaging monies to the tune of $ 999 Million each month, –

    “DLP’s position is that the Transport Board is a social good which must be Government owned.”

    …..still stand? Of course not. My position is, an untenable point will be reached sometime, when we MUST re-examing how much can Govt afford….THAT TIME IS NOW ! we cannot afford this RISING social cost anymore, not when we have not considered alternative MIXES of re-financing. What is wrong with rethinking Cadagon? What is wrong with my four point proposal above?

  36. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    REPRINTED for CARSON….from above 7.38 AM

    Transport Board’s hemorrhaging must be addressed either by the administration, or by a foreign intermediary such as the IMF. Barbados just cannot allow the loss of $ 4million each and every month. It defies common sense and good money management. We can split the TB into four sections.(1) Private overall management (2) ownership of some buses with assoc. by bus drivers who so interested. (3) Ownership by directors of UCAL (4) Who ever so interesting in bus ownership like local investors.
    Of course Govt will still have control by way of regulatory board, setting out pensioners and the aged free travel. They can also pay bu subsidy the free childrens fares. This is no rocket science. Just a new business plan and expeditious implementing.

  37. ac Avatar
    ac

    caswell the above video is for you ! i notice he mention your name listen carefully.

  38. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    DLP for Love of Country

    Just remember that the roads to Hell are pavedwith good intentions.

    Dont let the Republican Party of Barbados(BLP) fool you. Do you recall when WOOD ANOUNCED THAT HE WAS RAISING BUS FARES?

    What did owen do and what did he say?

    It was “hemorrhaging” then too. However he was dead set against raising bus fares.

  39. carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    carson C. Cadogan

    Anyway the Democratic Labour Party will not be selling the Transport Board. The workers there can breathe a sigh of relief.

  40. David Avatar
    David

    Debating the issue of privatisation or any other matter cannot/should not become distorted by political rhetoric all the time. Surely we are much too intelligent for this to be the case.

    What will be the result you ask?

  41. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    Caswell
    Surely the fact that David Thompson said something in parliament does not make it current DLP policy. Thompson is dead., It would only be if some law was passed or some cabinet, or party decision was taken that it could be considered DLP policy. He no longer speaks for the party.

    DLP policy is what Stuart / Cabinet / Party are currently articulating. Stop picking bones and try and get cracking with the BUP…

    This business of having to find something to write about every week is dangerous hear? It does make big men write bare shoite sometimes….. You think you is Lowdown or what? You do very well when you write when you have something to say…..not because you have to say something……..
    ….next thing you are seen just like your schoolmate Mascoll…..
    …a word to the wise is sufficient.

  42. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    ….and another thing Caswell, lose that suit. You look much more like Caswell in your familiar shirtjac….don’t mind Ann Gittens and the OCM people,
    What suit what?!?

  43. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    I can now understand why some find it hard to debate intelligently with you. You must stop your robotic responses and challenge you brain some more.It is not that difficult if only you were willing to try .

    As to DLP not selling the TB, that may be right, BUT THEY ARE NOW FORCED TO DO SOMETHING to rid of these losses, that may most probably see the rescheduling of workers thereof…..even retrenchment and that is no political deceitful empty rant Carson Cadogan, such as you seem so set, on embellishing this blog. By the way, to which no one really takes serious.

  44. Roverp Avatar
    Roverp

    Seems the government may have to sell CORNWELL as they do not want to fix the problems of these loss making entities. How much is CORNWELL worth?

  45. Roverp Avatar
    Roverp

    Why is it that governments sometimes do the opposite to what is recommended? Any smart business man would sell off loss making businesses and keep the profit making ones. Any right thinking persons would get rid of burdens….. Why then have both B and D kept doing the opposite?

  46. David Avatar
    David

    @Bush Tea

    Leave Caswell nuh.

  47. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    The solution to our problem lies NEITHER in selling assets to private interest NOR in continuing the current inefficient arrangements.

    The solution is to hire and appoint PROFESSIONAL MANAGEMENT STAFF and allow them to manage the people’s entities professionally to maximize efficiency and meet set targets.

    The challenge is to control the micromanaging political jokers who appoint their cronies into position and then control them like puppets….or poppets…for their own personal ends.

    This can be achieved by a number of initiatives
    1- having a REAL practical SENATE, somewhat like the Supervisory Committee in the Cooperative.
    2- We need a new breed of politician. People who understand that their mission is to implement POLICY which is practical, forward thinking, and in THE PEOPLE’s interest. …and leave the implementation to professional managers.

    The best way to do this is to make it a PRE-QUALIFICATION requirement for candidature that politicians have served at least 4 years in some social, sport, community, church, business, youth, cultural or other agency, in a leadership position, PRIOR to becoming a candidate.

    If you look carefully, you will see that BUP will solve these issues 🙂

    …just another foolish Bush theory…..

  48. Bush Tea Avatar
    Bush Tea

    @ David
    🙂
    Caswell is Bushie’s friend. …..LOL even closer than Onions and GP

    Rotfl. …..or whoever Onions calling heself today….

  49. ac Avatar
    ac

    bushtea
    …just another foolish Bush theory…..

    ac
    i agree cause you like the BLP has tied yourself up in knots after your scathing attack on the populace of barbados male and female as drunkards and handto mout therefore i ask you giving your profile of barbadians where in barbados are YOU going to find any of these people whom you have indictaed as possible torch bearers of brining good goverance to barbados, sometimes one says things only to find that it comes back to bite them in the arsss.

  50. DLP for Love of Country Avatar
    DLP for Love of Country

    GIVEN THAT SUCH WAS TAKEN FROM HANSARD…..
    David | November 21, 2012 at 10:22 PM |

    For those who can’t be bothered to read the Hansard document attached, here is what the late David Thompson had to contribute on the matter of privatization:

    2. State-owned Enterprises approved for privatisation in the process of being privatised:

    Arawak Cement Company Ltd.
    Barbados National Oil Company Ltd.
    Barbados Transport Board
    Heywoods Holiday Resort
    National Petroleum Corporation.

    Is Stuart saying then he has TAKEN A DIVERSION (or lost his way) from the course set by David Thompson or is this just a matter of convenience by overgenerous or maybe a slip of lip by Sinckler set the marble right?
    Silly season indeed.

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