Hal Austin

Introduction:
Once again the issue of drugs and the way we treat convicted drug dealers has returned to the public agenda. And, as in the original discussion, the issue has moved from the justification swung from the kind of justice meted out to offenders to the ‘humanity’ of Barbadian society and its moral compass.

But, our Christian nature aside, it is an unnecessary economic burden on taxpayers to adopt a so-called war on drugs when some of the biggest players are easily forgiven and then, worse, incentivised by being allowed to stay on in Barbados with a right of residence and, in due course, a right to citizenship. In so doing, government is recognising for the first time in our history that we no longer believe in the rule of law, but rule by lawyers and the most vocal of us. The treatment of these offenders must, however, be linked to the wider policy objective of combating drug abuse and dealing and the call for a drugs court.

First, there is no need for a specialist drugs court as is proposed. What is needed is a sentencing policy to prohibit magistrates and judges from abusing the custodial system by remanding and sentencing young drug users to lengthy terms in prison for the possessions of small amounts of drugs, usually cannabis. Rather, an effective drug policy should revolve around treating drug use and addiction in the first instance as medical and psychiatric problems, but offenders/victims should first have to cooperate fully with the authorities by giving details of suppliers, etc., before being treated with leniency.

However, the flip side of this policy should be that all dealers should be treated with the harshest penalties, including the confiscation of all their property on the grounds that it was the proceeds of criminal activity. All naturalised Barbadians or those with a right of residence should have these rights and privileges withdrawn on conviction and be deported.

A new drug policy should also give the authorities a right of preventative intervention if someone is visibly living a lifestyle beyond his or her known income. That person, for the good of the wider society, should have to prove the source of his/her income or have the property confiscated – our collective rights out strip individual rights. The simple message should be that Barbados is not a haven for drug dealers, no matter who they are.

Having said this, we have seen how so-called wars on drugs have failed at a huge price to taxpayers in other jurisdictions. The US spends about US$33bn on these drugs war and arrests on average 1.5million people every year, out of an estimated total of 28 million drug users, to execute this war. Yet, after 80 years, the US does not look as if it is winning the war. With over 300000 people in prison on drug offences, this is more than the total prison populations of Britain, Germany, Italy and Spain.

We have also seen the failure of the American export of its social problems to neighbouring nations with 50000 murders in Mexico alone, and most of Central and South America having been turned in to a warzone, following the abuse of office by Ronald Reagan and Oliver North. The recent ‘gift’ of US$2m by the Canadians for assistance with security in the Caribbean basin must be seen in this light and is but further proof of the contamination of Caribbean politics by our major geopolitical partners to the North. On terms of Barbados, our domestic policy must not be guided by these experiences.

Although I do not subscribe to the artificial theory of victimology, we must remember that the real victims in drug dealing are the users; successfully dealers become incredibly wealthy. Therefore, Barbadians must not allow a well-orchestrated campaign, backed by many well informed and educated people who ought to know better, to railroad them in to allowing a convicted drug runner, whose remorse has not gone as far as cooperating with the authorities, to remain in the country.

Decent, law-abiding people must not allow themselves to be blackmailed in to being ‘sympathetic’ to someone whose mission was the destruction of our young people, the very future of our country. Any such person is not unwelcome, his or her presence is a threat to national security and s/he could easily become a link person in our small country for major organised drug dealers, and must not be allowed in the country.
Opening our doors to the wealthy, no matter how they got their money, and on grounds of sympathy to drug dealers with major contacts is a high-risk strategy, which could lead to the entire nation being hijacked by an organised mafia, be they Eastern Europeans or Latin Americans.

This is not as far-fetched as it may seem. In the 1970s and 80s, the Colombian drug king Carlos Lehder used a Bahamian island as a transhipment point to send cocaine to the US. Today, the Bahamas is a member of Caricom.

New Dimension:
We have examples all over the world. Outside the Caribbean the problem of law and order takes on significantly interesting dimensions. In Australia, Britain and the US, with the proportion of black and minority ethnic prisoners far outnumber their representation in the wider community – most of them victims rather than organisers. In the US, two-thirds of federal and state prisoners are African American or Hispanics, which Professor Michelle Alexander of Ohio State University called The New Jim Crow (the title of her book). It is, she suggests, the reworking of the old racial and social prejudices which have gripped the US every since it was settled by Europeans.

The offence that exposed this inherent bias in the US criminal justice was drugs, in particular cocaine and its variant, crack. As a post-graduate student, I often got in to arguments with my criminology professor Jock Young and later reporting crime for the Daily Mail newspaper, over how possession of the two illegal drugs was perceived by Anglo-Saxon criminal justice systems. My argument was simple: if cocaine was such a dangerous drug in its pure form, which it no doubt is, why then does diluting it makes it much more powerful? The answer, put forward was that because the potency of the drug is weakened through its dilution, users therefore had to resort to more frequent use. But there is no pharmacological evidence in the literature for this claim. The real answer maybe more simple. Cocaine, because of its price, is the drug of preference for the white professional class, working in the City of London and the Washington DC commuter belt. On the other hand, because users in the inner cities, often black and Hispanic, cannot afford the high retail prices, they have to resort to stretching their purchases as far as it would go.

It now seems as if the argument has been resolved, with the US Justice Department, the Supreme Court and the sentencing organisations now accepting that there was indeed a class/racial bias in sentencing for possessing the two drugs. In July 2010, the US Congress amended the 25-year-old law which, through intention or as a consequence, had “subjected tens of thousands of African Americans to long prison terms for crack cocaine convictions while giving far more lenient treatment to those, mainly whites, caught with the powder form of the drug.” (The Washington Post, July 29, 2010).

The Bill, which was approved by the Senate that March, has also been endorsed by the Supreme Court and, reluctantly, the Drug Enforcement Agency. Under the 1986 Act, a person convicted for the possession of crack received a prison sentence equivalent to someone caught in possession of 100 times the same amount of powder cocaine. The same legislation also imposed a five-year minimum sentence for first-time offenders caught in possession of five grammes of the illegal substance, while imposing a similar sentence for those caught with 500 grammes of the powder cocaine. Under the new legislation, the five-year term now applies to those caught with 28 grammes of the powder or one ounce of the crack. According to the same Washington Post report, 80 percent of convicted crack users were African Americans.

As Obama pointed out during his 2008 presidential campaign, African Americans were as likely to serve just as long for drug offences (58.7 months) as whites for violent offences (61.7 months). Apart from the fact that those jurisdictions which were only too keen to jump on untested US crime ideologies to justify their harsh sentencing, a more mature debate will confirm two further truths: that the issue of the illegal use of drugs is a mainly US phenomenon and dealers only target other nations when entry to the US market becomes more prohibitive, such as greater security along the Mexico/US border.

It is also my contention, as I have pointed out, that the addictive use of illegal drugs is a medical/psychiatric issue while the trading in illegal substances is a criminal one. Such a realisation would radically change the economics of the policing of illegal drugs with the emphasis moving away from common street users, who would have to cooperate with police and the other authorities, including divulging their sources of supply, in order to escape prosecution and be recommended for medical and psychiatric treatment.

On the other hand, police (or preferably customs) will be given the resources to pursue the real dealers who hide behind their gated mansions and professional titles.

Analysis and Conclusion:
Discussions about drug abuse often ignore the economic consequences – the cost of policing, education, the courts, prisons, probation services, the lost of talent, productivity – and its impact on human capital. As a small nation we can hardly afford to waste this talent and taxpayers’ money, nor, indeed, pay the rise of social breakdown. At the same time, we must not play tough, we are not the new sheriffs in town. Barbados is not the wild west. We owe a duty of compassion to victims of the evil people who set out to destroy lives with illegal drug, tobacco and alcohol abuse, but our priority must be to our own citizens, our sons and daughters and brothers and sisters.

At the end of the day, despite all this, it is the deafening silence of those with influence and power which is frightening. Where are the politicians who object to the presence of foreign drug dealers in our country? Where are the representatives of the police? Where are the church leaders? Where are the people whose responsibility is the guardianship of our youths? Where are our moral leaders?

Who is speaking for the integrity of ordinary Barbadians?


  1. . . . . . “but offenders/victims should first have to cooperate fully with the authorities by giving details of suppliers etc.., before being treated with leniency”.

    If the basis of the proposals here depends on the above, they will not work. Anyone who has had experience of the justice system knows that drug peddlers do not as a rule, as they say – grass- on others in that trade. In the world they inhabit even the threat of prison does not loosen tongues.

    Illegal drugs are a scourge on our society and perhaps its greatest threat but efforts should be focused on our young people before they start that pityful journey.


  2. @Yardbroom

    Is it fair to say that the recommendation is one of several approaches which could be adopted? The problem of drugs is so ensconced in societies that no approach should be embargoed.

    On a related note what has become of the Suleman Esuf matter?

    https://bajan.wordpress.com/2010/10/16/the-fear-of-a-lawless-society/


  3. David, it is true that several approaches can be tried but you must have a “core” principle that underscores your actions.

    The problem of drugs in Barbados is different to say the US, Canada,UK or Mexico in our area, as size in this instance does matter. Barbados is akin to people living in a soup tureen, everything touches you in some way.

    It is believed that some of the major players in Barbados are known and accessible to the law enforcement agencies, but are protected because of a misguided loyalty and financial accommodations.

    We have fallen into a trap:
    “If you make money your god, it will plague you like the devil.”


  4. FOOD FOR THOUGHT AS USUAL. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TALENT WHEREEVER YOU ARE.


  5. I understand where the author is coming from but a few queries/ comments:

    – in the obvious referred Garcia case, the issue has moved from one of drug dealing, conviction, to one of state citizenship and responsibility. At best, Barbados needs to get a ruling from the Hague that his former state has no right to refuse to take him back. Ar worse, parachute drop him back to Cuba and claim he escaped from custody (I am very serious).

    – Aside the the above action, Barbados has to work within the conventions it signs. This has more to do with that than with accepting a former drug dealer. Should he have to be released, which inevitably he will be, whether deported or locally, a simple statement up close and personal from a suitable personnel, that he must not cross the authorities, should suffice to ensure his compliance. Watch him like a hawk.

    – On the issue of victims and sentencing, I agree, we need to look at how we deal with drugs as a plague. As you and Yardbrrom say, the real culprits are not punished as the victims are. Indeed, as Yardbroom says, the big boys go scot free (until karma hits that is, you cant hide from the ‘real’ justice system).

    But above all, no mind my disagreement with some of the details, the overall approach by the author i.e. that we need to get serious, understand and move accordingly, is fair.


  6. @Hal Austin. I do have MANY problems with what you have said. It seems to me that much of what you have said would move Barbados back into the dark ages and exacerbate, rather than solve the problem.

    If it were the drug trade you were actually addressing here (which you really are not) then you would do more than merely dress it up with a self-serving nod to the social conditions and frustrations that lead certain people to seek to escape reality through drugs. But you have an agenda and are seeking a soap box from which to advance that agenda – and then, regal and vice-regal-like, you, decline to take any questions from the “press”.

    You say: “But, our Christian nature aside, it is an unnecessary economic burden on taxpayers to adopt a so-called war on drugs when some of the biggest players are easily forgiven and then, worse, incentivised by being allowed to stay on in Barbados with a right of residence and, in due course, a right to citizenship.”

    We are all well aware of your position on the Garcia matter. We all have differing views on it. My view is that this is a special situation where full investigations and diplomatic sources have not been explored and tapped, as yet, as to a place to which Garcia can be deported. If no such place materialises, then a solution, which may well include Barbados residency, must be found on HUMANITARIAN grounds. Until that time, Garcia is in Barbados illegally and must be detained pending full investigation as to the country (IF ANY) to which he can be deported. To suggest that the Government is dragging its heels on the matter is stupid – rather, it is other countries that are dragging their heels. I am sure that both government and opposition want this matter solved as quickly as possible.

    Therefore, the premise on which you appear to base this blog is that case, which leads to you launching a scarce veiled attack on the head of the Barbados Bar. I take exception to the fact that, apart from one comment from you on the blog that dealt with this substantively, you declined to debate, as you have in all the blogs you have posted and, with respect, I have no time for people who appear to pontificate from on high.

    You say: “In so doing, government is recognising for the first time in our history that we no longer believe in the rule of law, but rule by lawyers………” Trite rubbish!!!

    At the moment, there IS no rule of law, due to the terminal state of the justice system. If peoples’ constitutional rights are being breached (and they are) there can be NO RULE OF LAW. The fact that most MPs are lawyers and the PM himself is a lawyer is likely a very good thing, as they may have slightly more respect for the justice system AND THE NEED TO REVIVE SAME, than the financier that brought the justice system down and into international disrepute and derision in the first place. Maybe you have been following the Barclays case in the USA and UK. If not, I recommend you do so, because it has a direct impact on Barbados’ dire financial situation – brought about by banks, financial institutions and financiers.

    You say: “Although I do not subscribe to the artificial theory of victimology, we must remember that the real victims in drug dealing are the users……..”

    Really? The users? How so? Who told them to use? No, sir, the real victims are the families and friends of the users who are routinely subjected to casual larceny by the users in order to purchase drugs, are exposed to extraordinary stress by the behaviour of the users while they are high and also when they are “jonesing” for their next fix. The users themselves, as long as they have the drugs and the means to purchase same, don’t give a shit – they are high.

    You say: “Therefore, Barbadians must not allow a well-orchestrated campaign, backed by many well informed and educated people who ought to know better, to railroad them in to allowing a convicted drug runner, whose remorse has not gone as far as cooperating with the authorities, to remain in the country.”

    I suggest that you seem to have led a very sheltered life and it is time you got more exposure. If Garcia had indeed given up his contacts, given the fact that you have highlighted the, you claim, 50,000 murders a year in Mexico, do you seriously believe that he would still be alive and, if released anywhere including Barbados, continue to live? And where would our RBPF send him in a witness protection programme? And how long do you think it would take for those who wished to do him in to buy the details from someone in the RBPF on where Garcia was? Or even to purchase his demise from those sworn to protect.

    While I agree with the conclusion you put forth of Professor Michelle Alexander, I do NOT agree with the way in which you seek to develop this with a view to a possible solution. MY solution is legalising weed and certain other “soft” or “recreational” drugs. When you think that in Barbados with our climate and soil each household could grow its own weed, this, in large part, cutting into the profits made by rum producers for the purchase of their far more physically harmful product, it seems a natural solution. It would certainly put a large part of the drug trade (which pays no taxes) out of business – and the rum trade (which DOES pay taxes) would suffer significantly as well – whereas the demand for fresh fruit juice (think agriculture) and iced cakes (think cottage industry) would be on the up and up.

    But what you are seeking to do is to give an almost free pass to the section of society that cannot afford, without larceny and other criminal activities, to indulge in “recreational” drugs, while visiting the full severity of the law on that section of society that CAN afford without resorting to criminal activity to indulge in drugs recreationally. Thus, family friends and others who are already prejudiced by the first group, you propose to prejudice yet further by removing the foreign capital brought (legally) into Barbados by the second group on which Barbados depends. I hasten to say that I do not condone the breaking of the law by anyone.

    I question the basic humanity in the whole premise of your blog. For the first time I question your basic grasp of reality of this subject. Therefore, without humanity and reality, you provide no solutions whatever. For that reason and for the first time I have to say that your blog is total and complete rubbish. Hopefully, you will do better next time.

    @Crusoe. Agree completely with you.


  7. @Amuses

    why do you waste time reading his long illogical writing. I normally look at the opening paragraph and the conclusions, having previously being fatigued by rambling articles. You should understand his modus opernadus, hope I got that latin correct bcasue i aint got a clue about latin. I only know a little spanish and french.

    Well put together reasoned article. Keep up the high standard.


  8. @Amused


  9. @To the point. To be fair, although I never fully agree with Hal Austin, often there is a nugget in his blogs which is of value, sometimes even causing one to re-examine ones own views. Sadly, no such nugget appears in this one. I disliked the apparent absence of humanity and the fatally flawed reasoning by which it was justified.

    FYI, the phrase is “modus operandi” not “operandus”. “Modus operandi” means “mode of operation”, which is what you mean, while “modus operandus” means “operation mode”. Not being pedantic, but just in case you find the information useful in the future. I will not bore you (and believe me, it bores even me) with the grammar involved.


  10. @Crusoe

    How does the World Court enforce decisions?


  11. @ Amused

    Gee…is that you? Come home. Again – I really don’t know what people are going to say – but well done.


  12. @ H Austin

    Would you like to give us your views on the success of the Jamaican Drugs Court and its Drugs Rehabilitation Programme?

    Since you live in the UK, perhaps you will comment specifically on the use of benzocaine to dilute cocaine and the effect of s.46 of the Serious Crimes Act on the same. Do we need some similar provision here? Likewise on the question of whether it would be right simply to ban the importation of benzocaine, which in theory can be legally bought and sold, other than under licence. Is failure to do that simply a way of protecting the pharmaceutical companies?

  13. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ Hal Austin:

    What drug policy what?
    I say decriminalize the drug trade! Are we not all for free trade (aka trade liberalization)?
    If China and Trinidad could export poor quality goods-many of which are injurious to our health -why not let St. Vincent export mary jane to Barbados or allow local farmers to get involved in some form of import substitution?

    The only reason some drugs (especially marijuana) are classified as contraband is because it is very difficult to control and hence impose some form of taxation.
    The only way the government’s treasury receive a “clean” financial share of this trade is through the Court system. Fines are imposed on those who try to circumvent the rules of the “medicis” who must have they cut.
    Without the ‘illegal drug trade’ there will be no need for so many law enforcers, lawyers, court adjudicators and officials, social workers engaged by the same courts, prison workers and hiding behind the scenes corrupt politicians and bureaucrats.

    The illegal drug trade is very big business with exceedingly high profits arising from the high risks.
    So many people owe their living to its illegality that it becomes a ‘morally economic’ paradox. Should we decriminalize it and let people make up their own minds whether or not to use as in the case of alcohol or should we keep it “illegal” and protect the official jobs and additional private incomes to finance the opulent lifestyles of many officials along the supply chain?

    By removing the cloak of illegality the naked emptiness and futility of the trade would be exposed and the artificially high profitability of a simple plant whether ‘weed’ or coca leaf would withered away just like the sugar cane grass used to produce distilled spirits called rum or a ‘smoked’ tobacco leaf called ‘cigarettes’.

    As Peter Tosh would argue: Legalize (decriminalize) it and do not criticize it, ye rum drinking and tobacco smoking fare picking hypocrites!


  14. The debate over whether or not convicted wrongdoers should have a right to stay in Barbados, after serving their sentence, is a decent one, but creates a dangerous moral hazard.
    Once you have established the principle, it would be very hard to then turn down other offenders even if, as lawyers tend to, we claim that each case would be considered on its own merits. That cannot be the case.
    It means, for example, that those for whatever reason, who want to settle in Barbados can calculate that seven years – or whatever – in prison may be a reasonable price to pay in order to be allowed to remain in the country.
    What would be better was if the government used its diplomatic clout to raise these issues in international forums, such as the United Nations, to put pressure on defaulting nations.
    In any case, a government has a duty to its citizens that it does not have to non-citizens. And the first of those is security. The illegal drugs trade poses a great danger to Barbadian citizens.
    On the idea of legalising the drug trade, and in particular cannabis use, has been tried in Holland and has failed.
    All that resulted was that Amsterdam became a centre for drug use in Western Europe. In any case, at the fringes of this legality will be the other drugs, those concocted in laboratories, the so-called legal drugs, those that the law has not yet caught up with, and those that are far more dangerous than cannabis.
    The end result is greater pressure on the health services, the police and the courts.
    On the issue of the idea of preventative intervention, we only have to look at the Russian oligarchs to see how dubious wealth can corrupt a country.
    This, combined with the flawed policy of economic citizenship, opens the way for the rise of serious enterprises, using Barbados and other offshore jurisdictions (Cyprus?) to clean their dirty money.
    For example, we already have hedge fund managers suspected of using client money without authority to buy expensive apartments on the West Coast at exorbitant prices, who is to say this will not continue.
    In Britain Russian oligarchs routinely overpay for mansions in the stockbrokers belts, buy sports clubs and players at huge prices, works of art and other trinkets as if money was no problem.
    It is fair to ask how, given that the communist system collapsed in 1989, how come in such a short space of time so many billionaires have come out of Russia?
    As to the situation in Jamaica, the so-called gun courts have not had a real effect on the level of politicised crime in West Kingston and the other garrison communities.
    Law and order has broken down in Jamaica in a big way which, at present, is not the case in Barbados.
    What we need is to take the investigation of drug crimes from the police and hand them to a reformed customs, give immigration the powers of arrest of those suspected of immigration offences, give uniformed police greater powers along with greater localised sub-stations with a brief to know everyone operating on their patch , and form a national detective agency without any powers of arrest.
    Finally, who knows what is held in the many containers which arrive in Barbados, or the super yachts that arrive with so-called celebrities?
    In Britain we have seen some communities which for years claimed how hard they worked opening their corner shops all day and night.
    It took sometime to work out that many of these shops were used as fronts for illegal drug dealing and the trading in bogus medicines.


  15. @Hal Austin. You seem determined to present me with targets that are so large that I don’t even really have to aim at them.

    First, @millertheanunnaki | July 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM, for the first (and likely the last) time, I completely and totally agree with everything you have said. Yes, yes and YES!!!!!! @Hal Austin, in my view you are answered as to he drug threat by millertheanunnaki.

    Back to Hal Austin. Hal, you have missed the ENTIRE point of the Garcia situation. The only precedent that would be set is one that all countries with any kind of humanitarian ethic or laws recognise. Of course, Garcia should be deported – BUT HE HAS TO BE DEPORTED SOMEWHERE!!!!! He cannot spend the rest of his life on an aircraft. There is no question of this stupid and, I think, face-saving argument by you: “It means, for example, that those for whatever reason, who want to settle in Barbados can calculate that seven years – or whatever – in prison may be a reasonable price to pay in order to be allowed to remain in the country.” What a load of b***s.

    Please recognise that this is a one-off. It is up to Government and the international community to bring to bear pressure on the country of Garcia’s residency to take him in. If they persist in refusing, then we have to think again on humanitarian grounds. And frankly until the diplomatic process is exhausted, which it is not nearly, if Mr Garcia wishes to take his own life by whatever means, it is HIS life and he should be allowed to get on with it. Nobody told him to come to Barbados on a real or forged passport and indulge in criminal practices. HE decided to do that. WE have a process to follow. If HE wishes to metaphorically “hold his breath until he dies”, the WE should not prevent him.

    However, if WE fail to find a country to which to deport his sorry ass, then WE, as humanitarians, ought to look at granting him resident’s status. BUT only after WE have explored ALL avenues to deport him.


  16. Should we decriminalize it and let people make up their own minds whether or not to use as in the case of alcohol or should we keep it “illegal” and protect the official jobs and additional private incomes to finance the opulent lifestyles of many officials along the supply chain?”

    there is merit in your comments mr miller.


  17. What we need is to take the investigation of drug crimes from the police and hand them to a reformed customs”

    we would have to disband both customs and immigration because it is allegged that the corruption in these two departments stinks to high heaven and there seems to be no way to stop it.


  18. @balance: “What we need is to take the investigation of drug crimes from the police and hand them to a reformed customs”.

    Would that, even with reform, be out of th frying pan and into the fire? Also, if Miller is right (and I believe that he is) where is the problem?

    @Hal Austin. You say, “On the idea of legalising the drug trade, and in particular cannabis use, has been tried in Holland and has failed. All that resulted was that Amsterdam became a centre for drug use in Western Europe.”

    I say NONSENSE!!!!! Even further, for a man who reads copiously (clearly without all that much understanding, at least on this subject) you must know that your statement is out-and-out misrepresentation. It was not the Dutch legislature that voluntarily decided that the legalisation of certain recreational drugs (read Mary Jane) had not worked in Holland. It was, instead, because the Dutch legislature surrendered their sovereignty and self-determination to the dictates of the EC. Had it not been for the wholly invasive pressure most improperly applied by the EC, the Dutch “coffee shops” would continue to thrive. In any case, my understanding is that they have not been completely done-away-with, but now, by law, must exclude foreigners, but does not prevent Dutch nationals from partaking. I suspect that this will be a law “more honoured in the breach than the observance.” It smacks (no pun) to me of discrimination.


  19. In terms of legalisation, there is no doubt that an illegal substance attracts high profits and makes some millionaires, who then put the money to legitimate business and become the ‘new kings’.

    Ironic that, we are told to abide and work hard, we pay taxes through the nose, but it ends up being the few amoral ones who can afford to buy property etc.

    I actually would agree with legalising the ‘soft drugs’ if only to take away the profit centres and make it less attrtactive.

    Unfortunately, the ‘schoolyard’ bullies would be on us like gravy on rice, those who dicatet modern day ‘officialdom internationally’.

    Cn anyone explain to me why St.Vincent’s lands wer burned etc a few years ago, using troopsyet Califonira still allegedly produces marijuana?

    It boils down to……..business!

    I guarantee you, if Barbados found oil on the East Coast tomorrow, to rival any world fields, we would shortly be deemed needing in control of management for some reason and we would be forced to surrender sovereignty.

    Maybe it is a good thing they have not found that oil yet.

    That tangential point aside, I would leave the harder drugs illegal. The removal of the marijuana market would be enough to cut down on illegal trade.

    Plus too iamgine the added taxes? I do not drink hard liquor nor smoke tobacco and many do not, making something legal does not mean people will use it.


  20. Sprry for the typos, early a Sunday am and not checking……you know what I mean.


  21. If balance was old enough he would also be aware that there was a time in England, when drug addiction was treated as a medical issue and doctors could legally prescribe for such patients. Back in those days one could safely walk any street in London…… until they too were forced into the idiotic policy of declaring a natural, everyday BUSH to be illegal.
    Now there are gangs, guns, violence and chaos just like all the others.

    The primary beneficiaries of the policy of making such drugs illegal are the drug gangs, the politicians and public officials who benefit from their largesse and bribery, and the lawyers who defend them when they are caught….
    …since these people run this world, and since most others are naive enough to actually believe that passing a law is a practical way of addressing such a problem, the situation will never change as a result of logical argument.


  22. A couple things on the point of legalizing some of these substances.

    As Crusoe alluded, it will NOT happen UNLESS the BIG countries lead the way.

    The issue of legalizing drugs has become wrapped by how many define morality. Is it wrong, is it right.

    A bit of a connumdrum when we have to acknowledge that some drugs are already legal.


  23. Crusoe is wrong about differentiating between ‘hard’ and ‘soft’ drugs. The policy of passing laws like these will always be counterproductive.
    People should be EDUCATED and GUIDED to make wise and productive choices.
    Some people are just plain idiots who will destroy themselves no matter what you tell them. Some jump out of airplanes, others climb mountains, and some find themselves in Bush Hill….
    ….so what??!! pass laws against these things too…? what if they sniff glue? cow poop? boiled mauby bark and okras?… 🙂

    EDUCATION AND GUIDANCE!! … and then let the damn people do what they want to …. as long as they do not bother others.

    ONE LAW NEEDED
    Keep your fetish to yourself! don’t do it and drive. don’t do it in public. and don’t expose children to your freakishness.
    ….oh and tell RR also -not to come here on BU trying to get us to go along with his particular fetish …whatever it is…..LOL


  24. i duh know! so many questions with little answer except for the financial area which may be derived how does the social value improved right know with the legalisation of drugs like alcohol and tobacco i don’t see any great benefits to society as a whole outside monetary for big business and govt. the same would apply for the marijuana industry . if marijuana become legal the big drug manufacture would all but dominate the market leaving just the crumbs for the small guy to fight over. those who think that the small guy would be financially better off are dreaming only the government and big corporations would be the winners and more drug addicts would be allowed to roam the streets and a possibility of taxpayers funding programs for a growing need for drug rehab. programs . like i say more questions than answers both sides need to be addressed realistically.

  25. millertheanunnaki Avatar
    millertheanunnaki

    @ ac | July 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM |
    “if marijuana become legal the big drug manufacture would all but dominate the market leaving just the crumbs for the small guy to fight over.”

    Then people who care to use it – in ways Nature intended- would be able to grow it in their backyards just like any other healing herb without being labelled a criminal or drug dealer.
    Marijuana is a known excellent herb for medicinal and therapeutic uses; its cooking and aromatherapy qualities make it ideal for human consumption.
    A massive cosmetic and beauty industry can spring from its commercial cultivation.
    Problem here though is that the herbivores especially lactating cows have a strange predilection for this “grass” and might just jump over any ‘high’ fence to get a piece of the greener grazing giving a new twist to the phrase “mad cow syndrome”.


  26. A coincidence? Read today’s Sunday Sun Editorial:

    http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/cannabis-debate-rages-on

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    @ David | July 8, 2012 at 10:55 AM |
    Thanks, David, for the link. Didn’t see the editorial comment before my contribution.

    The Editorial is one sided. Why was a comparative critique of the negative effects of alcohol and tobacco consumption not included? Is it because these ‘just as dangerous’ licitly traded substances bring in revenue to the Treasury to pay for the same police whose mission is to eradicate the illicit drug trade?
    Or is it because that the marketing and promotion of alcoholic beverages represent a vital revenue stream to the newspaper that must be protected at all cost? Even if it means prostituting its editorial integrity as BLPNationNewspaper or ac and the likes would agree!


  28. @Bush Tea | July 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM | Couldn’t agree more. Too blasted much big brother creating laws to protect people that don’t want to be protected. As long as they don’t bother anyone, let them get on with it and if the dead, the dead. Done wid dat!! Mek it legal and you gon see a major reduction in crime rate – dealers down tru de eddows, a few more funerals = a reduction in unemployment, but at least they are self-created deaths and not drug cartel murders. You will see many members of the RBPF resigning, because of the lack of “percs”, and looking for another area of criminal endeavour to “investigate”. Of course, many politicians will have similar cash flow problems. Meanwhile, those of us wishing to relax and have a little fun, need go no further than our own vegetable gardens, knowing that we can get completely stoned without the negative expense and effects of booze and that an hour’s nap and we are good to go again, not hungover and feeling like death.

    As for Mr Garcia, he will just have to wait until Barbados has seen if it can find a country to which it can deport his ass. Believe me, we would like to deport him as soon as possible – the problem is not with Barbados. And instead of the UN envoy coming here like some blasted fool and trying to turn it into a Barbados problem, those efforts ought to be expended on Garcia’s country of birth so he can be repatriated to that. And if, in the meantime, he feels that he would rather starve himself to death, well we should make the food available to him and then leave it up to him if he eats it or not. If he lives, he lives. If he dies, he dies. HIS choice, HIS problem. NOT ours. It only becomes ours after we have (with the full assistance and support of the UN) investigated all avenues of deportation and found none available. Then, we will see. But it is not up to Garcia to dictate time-frame. I almost wish Pelican Island was still there. Send him over in a row boat with some supplies and a tent and let him stay there until……

    @Miller. You are on a roll – keep going – on this subject I fully support you.


  29. @miller you are being presumptuous to think the government would give free pass to all and sundry to grow marijuana , once it becomes a legal product i guarantee you that all the laws and regulations would kick into place making it even tougher for the little guy to grow the product unless he /she has government permission and licensing. you think the big corporations going to sit back and let you and other siphoned off their profits look you guys need to watch how big business influence control government and this would not be different. i bet when alcohol was illegal all the same arguments were presented once government has given the go ahead then there are those who rings the bell and it is not the small guy remembering now that one it is legal the substance now becomes under government control who then dictates how and where it should be market distributed and produce.


  30. Kris Millegan, the world’s leading authority on Skull & Bones, describes how the Yale secret society was built on the profits of opium smuggling, which dramatically increased after opium was made illegal around the world. This talk was given at the 16th High Times Cannabis Cup in Amsterdam, also known as The Conspiracy Cup.


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