Submitted by John Dillinger

Tony Marshall, Chairman of the NIS Board

I have followed your blogs [BU] with regards to the Four Seasons and Professor Persaud’s decision to ask the NIS to invest in the project as opposed to bring in international investors like the late PM David Thompson mandated him so to do. Was not the Professor to use his international connections to bring in the investment needed to restart the project? If so should we take it that he has failed to get the interest of the international investment community..the hedge funds, venture capitalists etc. to invest in Four Seasons? If so, then why?

Moreover based on two recent articles in the Nation Newspaper, one on November 24th quoting Minister Chris Sinckler as saying he expects the NIS to make a decision by the end of this week (coming after the now famous extraordinary Cabinet meeting of November 15th to “discuss” the Four Seasons project) and that the Minister of Labour and Social Security was “working closely” with the NIS on the matter. Does all of this smell like a hint of political interference in the NIS decision process with regards to the project at all, especially when it was reported that the NIS had been advised not to invest in the project?

The second major article, coming on the heels of the downward revision of Barbados’s outlook from STABLE to NEGATIVE this week, was an article saying that Standard & Poors was closely monitoring the progress with regards to the project  – how strategically timed and well placed for this article. Can we conclude that this is all meant to influence (read: pressure) the NIS into a particular decision. I hope that the Tony Marshall led NIS Board with the learned Dr Justin Robinson as Deputy Chairman would do the ethical and honorable thing  and resign if they vote with political sword of Damocles hanging over their heads…remember that it is ALL OF BARBADIAN WORKERS future pension that they are dealing with, it isn’t monopoly money – the remainder of us don’t have the benefit of a big UWI pension or large Barclays pension when we retire…we depend on the NIS,

Please don’t throw our money into an empty whole while your own is secure….or else you may be inviting Occupy Four Seasons, Barbados’s version of Occupy Wall Street or worse yet, the beginning of Bajan Spring (our own local version of the Arab Spring) Do you really want that on your conscience gentlemen?


  1. @Businessman

    Teach them that investment about risk, nis cannot allways invest in safe ares.

    When we buy insurance policy it is about risk taking, some people call it gambling.

  2. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    Business man | November 29, 2011 at 9:39 PM |
    “I would like some of the money to stay in BIM and not leave to outside investors.”

    So much so as to why the local money barons like COW and Suzuki man like real born and bred Bajans rolling in money should come on board!
    So much so as to why you should want to see the back of an unproductive consultant whose fees are denominated in foreign currency!
    Hotel investment is as old as organized gambling and commercial prostitution.
    Now let me put something to you, business guru! I would recommend that the 4 Seasons project be taken to another level to make it a bit more attractive with the boys and girls with money. How about including a casino like the Marriots in Frigate Bay in St. Kitts and a small private beach to bout where rich naturists can relax and fully soak up the sunshine where an all-encompassing beautiful tan can be the reward for this naked exposure.
    If value is added to the investment proposal maybe there would be a gold-like rush by investors and even panhandlers.
    What sayest thou businessman? Is not that thinking outside the box?

  3. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    UNEDUCATED | November 29, 2011 at 9:37 PM |
    “I am not impressed, so come again if you know how to come.”

    I know your are not impressed but envious. I prefer to arrive on my own steam and in time to meet the other party with a simultaneous cry and shout. Unlike you having a brush with the bespectacled Chinese man selling forced erection via the gra(m) at a time!
    You have already exited the closet but I shall remain in the ladies room dealing with one natural oil search at a time.


  4. @Businessman

    I think that miller and george forget that we have invested in the Hilton. Owen smahed up a relatively young hotel at the time. Why?


  5. @Uneducated

    I think that miller and george forget that we have invested in the Hilton. Owen smahed up a relatively young hotel at the time. Why?
    ******************
    An old bird who has joined the ancestors told me that the roof was leaking, that is why we have a new Hilton. I guess there were no roofers in Bim.

    There’s a hole in the bucket dear Liza, dear Liza
    There’s a hole in the bucket dear Liza, a hole. etc

    Happy Independence


  6. american airlines files for bankruptcy! Turbulent times indeed!


  7. From: Hal Austin [mailto:t.com]
    Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:25 AM
    To: Hal Austin
    Subject: Notes From a Native Son – Bajan rum

    I have long been calling for a legal definition and regulation of Barbadian rum and a formal training system for apprentice distillers.

    But, partly because our politicians and policymakers do not have a manufacturing mindset and partly because the rum sector in Barbados has been controlled by a small clique, this call has been falling on deaf ears.

    Remarkably, in tough economic times, when the only real global product Barbados has is its rum, people promoted beyond their capabilities are found making major long-term decisions for the nation.

    Our political leaders would rather fantasise about our high-class tourism and the so-called high development standard based on some bogus index.

    At the risk of being a bore, we must legally define what we mean by Barbados rum: is it the method and process of manufacturing? The breed and yield of the sugar cane molasses? What is it?

    Whatever it is, we must put that down in law. If we do not, the term Barbados, Bajan or Barbadian rum will in time become a generic term, just as Demerara sugar has done.

    Once we have legally defined it, we must then defend that legal position by setting up a national rum council, the equivalent of the French Appellation Controllee, which will issue certification for all approved local rum.

    We only have to look at the unscrupulous in which the Indians are trying to rip off Scotch Whisky.

    Then we need to put in place a proper training system to teach young people the art of rum-making.

    Whisky contributes £20bn to the Scottish economy, while rum contributes Bds$66m. Think about it.

    Hal Austin


  8. The question for Hal is who own rum distribution/distilling in Barbados?


  9. The interests of the businessman and those of the country do not coincide in this case. Given the current state of teh project, a businessman would prefer to wait for receivership and then be bale to invest cheaply. He is unlikely to want to come forward at this stage.

    For me, the issue is that the receivership procdess could take three years, that might not be in the national interest. If IADB wants to help rescue the project, which for good business reasons a businessman would not, why should we walk away from the possible IADB rescue when the economy badly needs a project of this type at this time.

    I sense some tea party type thinking. If the project gets rescued it would be trumpeted as a DLP triumph, many do not want that as they see a chance for a one-term.

    Should we risk the economy and miss a growth opportunity just to spite the DLP. I am bajan first, so for me the answer is no.


  10. @Business man

    Can you articulate again what the benefits of firing up the Four Seasons project are which should not be confused with the lack of transparency in taking up NIS monies by the Board?


  11. mount gay is owned by Rémy Cointreau . cockspur rum is owned by goddards. four square ny rl seale. ideally barbados rum should come from barbados molasses. we don’t have enough sugar can to meet the demands so we import molasses. Now by doing this we transform what is barbados rum. fact is a very little can be truly called barbados rum. this make hal initial suggest very hard to accomplish. we would need varying degree of barbados rum. such as pure barbados rum and made in barbados rum. with former use all local ingredient and latter not. this would allow production to continue and not having a force stop and waiting to ensure the new classification is followed. the whole process would need to be trademarked and register name to follow to hold the brandings..


  12. @anthony

    You should add that much of Barbados rum is exported in bulk form and therefore Barbados does not benefit from any associated branding.


  13. most interesting buried in today paper. Is Iadb is still awaiting final plans from four season project backers. So while we go and rush off not knowing what nis gotten itself into we find out that reasonable due diligence hasn’t been performed as yet.


  14. @anthony

    Remember the word is transparency when dealing with this matter.


  15. Now if government would just guarantee the loan as they did for the Clearwater bailout to the 4s backers no one would be arguing not to invest in four seasons. the comparison to Hilton is nonsense as the hotel was functioning and profitable for year.it not the same case. the comparison to bl&p is also follish as bl&p was and continues to be a profitable company. four seasons is unknown entity and as can be show be example they can fail, they can also succeed. Is this where we want out pension money to be placed. have we not learned enough from clico lack of due diligence in investing and grand scheming. if the government wish to do the work let them fund it. All it take is signature and funds would appear.

  16. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @PM, call elections NOW

    I am a proud black man, but I am not so myopic to believe that the only persons to have sacrificed in the interest of national development have been only blacks, or only persons born in this country.

  17. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    Happy Independence day to all BU bloggers and readers.


  18. David, Iadb credit committee cannot vote on the proposal until the BDS60ml is in place. That is what the NIS is aked to provide.

    Anthony, your comment strikes me as disingenuous. you know full well given the credit rating status that option is note really open to the government.

    David, luxury is the most resilient aspect of the tourism market. It is what barbados is known for. A four seasons type brand may also be useful in our attempt to diversify our sources of tourists, given that it is a better known brand in north america, asia and latin america.

    of course the construction impact is the more immediate benefit.

  19. PM, call elections NOW Avatar
    PM, call elections NOW

    George C. Brathwaite | November 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM | @PM, call elections NOW I am a proud black man, but I am not so myopic to believe that the only persons to have sacrificed in the interest of national development have been only blacks, or only persons born in this country.

    You have my sympathy.

  20. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Business Man

    You sound just like Reggie Hunte; makes me wonder?


  21. What I found most interesting in todays paper was the “Smart Energy Fund.” Its independence day, so I am going to be optimistic. I hope this is the start of us making our mark as a green economy.

    I am going to inquire tomorrow how to get my business on board.

    Be part of teh solution people, griping gets us nowhre, get up and get.


  22. Business man your being disingenuous. That is prefect option to keep every happy. That what they did for clear water. they did double this current asking amount. they can do a little more can’t they or are you saying they ran the government into the ground that no one would lend them money. On latter not why do you have60 million now. I taught it was 50 million. why is amount constantly in flux and not fixed ?

    The Iadb is not waiting on the nis. they are waiting on four season to provide all that is need for due diligence. For the amount of time it taken to do so one could suggest that due diligence either doesn’t exist or just being made plausible given later months.


  23. You see on this here blog everyone seeks to wrap themselves in the flag, and claim they are not political, they just want what is best for the country.

    However, somehow, someway, anthony, miller etc. always end up focused on the negative and beating up ont he government.

    The Smart energy fund was in the dlp manifesto. It has now been launched. The Iadb says its could be a game changer an example and model for the region. But not a peep. anthony picks out the bit from the same iadb about four seasons that he thinks could be negative.

    The administration has implemented a comprehensive alternative energy program:
    tax incentives; duty free allowances and now a fund. Yet for the for the perenial naysayers on this blog they aint doing nothing as a government.

    The upper and middle class in bim vex. They pissed that people at the lower levels of the public service have not been laid en masse yet as a means of getting the fiscal deficit down. They vex that instead their entertainment allowances have been taxed. They cruel that VAT on their imported luxuries has gone up by 2.5%. They acid that the government has continued to focus on building homes that poor and lower middle income people can access. They hopping mad that there is no open door immigration policy for their nannies, gardeners and construction workers. The international business people want a special immigration service for the white people who want to come here.

    This is class warfare people, and BU and Underground are now the launching stations for the upper and middle classes.

    I poor class, I know my interests.

  24. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Poor Class

    I am a national and very nationalistic Barbadian. I am also a member of the BLP. I am political.

    Having got that out of the way, do you think that there is only one right way to national development; that advocated by the current or indeed the past administration? Errol barrow left a legacy in terms of education; it means thinking through alternatives and offering said suggestions for national development.
    It is now a foregone conclusion, that based upon the DLP’s medium strategy for the Barbados economy that most things have not worked. Moreover, it has been alluded to in the last report of the Governor of the Central Bank, Standards & Poors; and by the private sector in Barbados. In fact, the PM is now on record as saying it cannot be business as usual.
    Do you believe that by persons taking an alternative perspective it is as negative as some persons would want Barbadians to believe?


  25. This and other blogs are not about a national discourse on nation building anymore. This blog is about getting back at the DLP for the taxing of entertainment allownaces, the special gas tax and the 2.5% increase in vat.

    The blog now reflects the bitterness of the priviledged, who have convinced themselves that laying off thousands of persons and cutting social services is a lesser evil than taxing their entertainment allowances, and all paying an extra 2.5 VAT and a special gas tax for ap period of time.

    So much for being your brother’s keeper.

  26. George C. Brathwaite Avatar
    George C. Brathwaite

    @Poor Class
    The worse thing you can do in life is to pretend to be who you are not. You want to represent the poor of the country (based on what you wrote and not necessarily on action). Yet, you choose to be quite selective; is it not true that the same administration that wants to provide tax incentives, raised taxes not only on VAT but on many sectors for which the poor must partake? Is it not so that while speaking of protecting jobs, the government has created an atmosphere of alienation and low morale for workers of all classes in both public and private sectors? Is it not equally true, that the UDC and RDC went on a hunt that culminated in ordinary Barbadians losing their jobs?
    If you truly want to help the poor, you would ask the current administration to stimulate the economy based on innovative means. Take away the formula wherein the average price of a 25 pound cylinder of gas is beyond the paltry sums the working poor receive.
    I could go on and on, but you need to lift your head from under the sand. Do you realise that there is a definite disquiet within the ranks of the DLP on the way that things are being allowed to meander along without any real objective besides getting a second term (and even that is qualified in the context that they want Chris and not Freundel). Are you aware of these things or would you rather hide the facts? I will continue to be national, nationalistic, and political. It is in Barbados’ best interest that it does better for all groups and classes of people.


  27. I aint educated and big up like you all but I can read george,and i take the time to do so with a clear mind free of party or ideological baggage.

    From what i have read, S&P and others are saying that due to the turn in the global economy during the third quarter of 2011 the prospects for the barbados economy have changed.

    I am not sure what yu reading, but I have seen no IMF or S&P analysis saying the medium term fiscal strategy was flawed. They are saying that the global recovery has been weaker than everyone include themselves expected and more belt tightening might be needed in barbados.

    In fact S&P seems to be saying that in light of the worsening global outlook, the fiscal measures of 2010 should be kept and not reversed in 18 months as stated. The IMF for sure has asked for the 17.5% VAT to be permanent

    I am at a loss as to why you people cannot see that things would be hard in this country at this time whoever was in power. The UK went for a strategy that many here seemed to be advocating and applauding and now they are revising everything, and despite dramatic cuts in expenditure they will borrow more than last year. The cuts have had such an impact on gdp that revenue intake is much lower than expected.

    I aint no trained body but I got a good brain. Yu and a lot of people are very keen to point that tax increases can hurt spending to the point that you collect less than before the cut. I can understand that possibility. The same people, however, seem unable to see that if you lay off people that the money those people used to spend will also hurt spending in the economy. they have not explained to simple minds like mine why the latter would necessarily outweigh the former. Of course the social fall out is off the radar.

    What we do have in many circles, including the economics profession is an ideological position that taxes must not go up, and that the poor and their types of jobs are more dispensable.

    By all means take a different view.


  28. To my simple mind, what we sell to the rest of the world is earning less for reasons we cannot control. Tourists are spending less, interntional business is paying less taxes as they make losses.

    If we are getting less then to me we have to make chocies:

    If we subsidize uwi at the levels they want who gets less of the government pie? if we subsidize fuel and fuel products who get sless of the government pie/ if we kep spending as normal on rthe drug service who gets less of the pie?

  29. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    Poor Class | November 30, 2011 at 11:58 AM |
    Happy Independence Day!
    As the Merry Men song goes: “God bless Bim on Independence Day!”

    So you want us to stop beating up on this government!
    Well, so us you mean well!
    Enact Integrity & FOI legislation as promised and we will stop the harassment! Scout’s honour! We promise to honour our pledge!

    Now don’t go blaming the international recession for this lack of action, you hear?
    Of course neither you nor business man will respond to this since you will deem it political. Give us an Independence Day surprise and speak to the issue without blaming the BLP.

    GCB & anthony watch to see the ‘deviation’ response, if any, from the hypocrites!

  30. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ millertheanunnaki | November 30, 2011 at 12:25 PM |
    “Well, so us you mean well!”
    Should read “Well, ‘show’ us you mean well!


  31. Poor Class | November 30, 2011 at 12:18 PM |

    The tax-free allowances should not be reinstated. Any ability to do so should be used to increase salaries for the police, teachers (with a ban on lessons for pay and an extended workday to 4:30PM), nurses and firemen.


  32. I don’t expect either party to enact integrity legislation.

    This goivernment actually brought a bill to parliament though.


  33. guess we be waiting until april 15 2013 at the rate he going at.

  34. PM, call elections NOW Avatar
    PM, call elections NOW

    Tighten your belts – with the PM anticipating a difficult 2012, I expect a post Xmas’11/January 2012 election, to make room for a suitable 2012 budget.


  35. @Miller

    I had prmised to be civilized on independent day, but you call the gall and the audacity to refer to people as hypocrites, when all your blogs here are laced with hypocrity, deceit and flawed reasoning. Please comae again. as I said to Georger Brathwaithe, he is intellectually dishones when he reasoned the govt should leave the woman in the house when he drew the analogy between her entering the house and the erection of signs bearing the dlp name promoting their candidates.

    You are blinded by your blinkered and very subjective reasoning as you bittterly oppose the dlp.

  36. PM, call elections NOW Avatar
    PM, call elections NOW

    Dear PM, sell 49% of the seaport and airport to Barbadians, including credit unions, the NIS and workers unions. Both will still be owned by Barbadians and the GOB can reduce some debt and invest in 4S. No need for NIS funds.


  37. @Poor Class

    You are not fooling me that you are not educated, you are well schooled. In fact let me congratulate you for your well written article. It could not be put better.

    Continue writing, but dont fool mah than you aint understand the issues, you understand them better than Geore and miller the worm

    Have a happy independence.


  38. @George

    when you speak of morale, it is osa that destreyed in in the public service and he killed it wih an inferior 2007 public service act. He wasted the money when there was plenty and allowed a lot to be misappropiated. The great european coutires including the one you are in is having a rought, time, do u espect little barbados can do much in this recession? Where is the capital inflow is going to come from to stimulate the economy? Our economy is structurla dependent on the world economy.

    Why dont you talk about osa and mia, what happened to all the long talk about osa convening a meeting with pac etc. Dont start me u should not be teaching in any institution, u r intellectually dishonest.


  39. @Anthony

    you are talking follisheness, any business venture can fail, the only thing we can guarantee is death. So please go and come again on this independence day. These hills and fileds belong to we and we must take risk too.


  40. @Miller

    Perhaps u might be bettered served in the closet since you have something to hide and your impotence woiuld be hidden.


  41. @ millertheanunnaki

    What else are you expecting from these fellows? Referring to external reasons is the norm for the supporters and those persons bearing responsibility for the management of this economy. The free summer camps, “free bus fares”, and constituency councils are used as the basis to indicate that the DLP is performing well.
    However, I base the performance of any government on its ability to (a) Provide a stable legal environment, promote competition, and provide efficiently for public wants, (b) stabilise income, employment, and prices, and (c) redistribute income and wealth equitably.


  42. @UNEDUCATED

    Some business seem more eager to fail the others. some people fail to use common sense and go blindly with the risk too high. guess that why government doesn’t even want to guarantee it. less we forget the stupid project under the blp and dlp.


  43. I have seen this movie before as the young people say. I can spot when the elites in Bim want to hound a government out. They never really accepted the 2008 results. Its really thompson’s appeal to the youth that took the dlp over the edge you know. Actually, one of the interesting things in Bajan politics right now, is that that vote is best commanded by Mia.

    You see people like Anthony and Miller are the most dangerous. They smooth like silk, wrap themselves in the flag, but they are really behind an eltist agenda and whichever administration can best serve that agenda.

    Free bus fares for school children, who does that benefit? That is extra spening money a week for poor people, put money in peoples pockets they say, but surely don’t put money in poor people hands that way. you must give incentives to business people (the americans call that corporate welfare). george if you would take off your blinkers and start to count, then maybe you would see that the extra cash free bus fares is less than the extra cost of bottle gas.

    let me understand george, yu want the gas subsized but not the ride to school. well, well, and this is the education first crew.

    Class warfare my friends, none of the people on this blog children catch the bus to go to school.

    Summer camps: Man only certain kinda children should be able to do camps in the vacation. the poor class should just be running bout. They talk about the need to put money in the economy,but hell no , not that way, targetd at the poor people.

    They want the gas at the pump for their big rides subsidized, but not extra school activities like camps, so poor children can get exposed to some of the stuff, theirs get exposed to in the camps they pay for.

    Class warfare my friends, none of the people on this blog’s children would be caught dead at a government summer camp, mixing with those sorts of people. their kids are overseas for the summer or at a paid camp with children of a similar ilk. How dare these poor kids want summer camp too, that a preserve for those who can afford, certainly not on their tax dollars.

    Now if this had been done as a tax rebate for people to pay to send their kids to camps put on by their kind, this would have been wonderful social policy. behind it of course is snobbery and greed. The right set of people would have been able to send their kids to camp and make money off the camps. Class warfare my friends

    I can spot the partisan by these three issues. Those who in every discussion point to free bus fares, summer camps and constituency councils as the symptoms and causes of all our current woes. According to my sums the councils have cost 3ml after four years, the bus fares arounbd 12ml a year and i don’t know the cost of the camps. I can tell you that they do not cost nearly as much as the money sunk into legacy barbados.

    Where is the cricket world cup legacy? Oh, oh, thats loking back. That was a nice, glitzy middle, upper class project, a most appropriate use of public funnds I say.

    Class warfare my friends. But as soon as the government changes we will be flooded with calls for unity and a new group will start cticising.

    Me, I have to sweat everyday, whomever in power.


  44. you know when i listen to owen what i hear him really saying is that a different set of people getting government work. I also hear the same sentiment on this blog.

    I know people with businesses who aint get a drop of work from the government for 14 years, while some others got barfe work. so pray tell me, the other people don’t deserve a chance now. methinks thats the way patronage works.


  45. But the elites get what they want. They are the ones with the means to shape public opinion, and they are bent on a change of government. So freundel there is no hope for you, you have not shaken off your poor class roots like your competitor.

    I can only hope Owen and others have learnt a lesson and come back with a little more humility. I hope a quick return to office does not breed a “I told you so,” “I am the only game in town” type arrogance and vindictiveness.


  46. ASnthony you are sounding more and more desparate and partisan. Government does not want to guarantee the project because they have little or no fiscal space and want to hold on to the investment grade credit rating.

    There must be no high profile DLP successes, some people are on the verge of winning back a government. All the forces will be brought to bear to make sure this does not happen.


  47. @ Poor Class who wrote “Me, I have to sweat everyday, whomever in power.
    Interesting use of language for a “Poor” class.

    You went to UWI?


  48. To Poor Class:
    Where is the evidence or data to demonstrate that the youth came out last election and voted for the DLP or David Thompson’s leadership? Where is the data to demonstrate that the youth voted in any great numbers in the last election? Where is the evidence that Mia Mottley controls the youth vote; participating in a football tournament does not translate into leading the youth any where. This class warfare thing is old and tired; in fact it is one of the old refrains from cave hill political scientists. We need more substance than your broad statements which are then supported bu the next blogger who obviously carries similar political colors.

  49. millertheanunnaki Avatar

    @ UNEDUCATED | November 30, 2011 at 8:57 PM |

    You guys are performing true to form. Trying to kill the messenger with a load of ad hominems (if you know what that means) instead of attacking the message!
    Keep blaming the past administration for every thing under the sun. Almost 4 years at the helm and what do you have to show of major significance for it? Oh yes, non-functioning constituency councils and soon-to-be -withdrawn “free” school bus fares and summer camps. Just like a child’s blown up balloon, full of hot air (empty electioneering promises) but as soon as it lands in a tree- dud ( or should one use the local onomatopoeia “pup” for your easier understanding)!!
    Soon you will be blaming the past administration for the collapse of the NIS and the failure to restart the 4 Seasons project. Why not blame them ad nauseam for causing the world recession? It will be indicative of the intellectual incompetence prevailing among you lot!
    Stop attacking me and focus on the issues facing Bim before you also have to blame OSA for bringing the IMF with a non-negotiable demand for a downward adjustment in the value of the country’s currency. We no longer have any clout or elbow room, you know. But then again, we might just have do what ‘PM, call elections NOW | November 30, 2011 at 8:35 PM |” and others have been recommending for some time. We wonder what’s your party’s position on these proposals? Similar to that on CBC or tertiary education? Speak up and stop retreating to the toilet, in your case, to dabble in verbal diarrhoea!

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