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President of the Trinidad & Tobago Bar Association, Martin Daly, during his address. (Lennox Devonish)

It was refreshing to listen to an address (edited) on VOB news delivered by President of the Law Association of Trinidad and Tobago (LATT) Martin Daly at the annual Barbados Bar Association dinner. The gist of his address was to tell lawyers and other actors in the local judicature present that they have to think outside the box if the current backlog of cases is to be solved. He opined that to continue to routinely process the thousands of case files currently backlogged in court systems across the Caribbean is a never ending effort. He recommended that an innovative solution will have to be found to remove the backlog of cases so that magistrates especially can  be unburdened and start with a clean slate. Of course his elucidation of the problem gives support to BU’s position that the former CJ’s mouthings which promised to make the Magistrates Court more efficient was an exercise in PR. The fact that President Daly to the horror of those present mentioned BU as one source where he obviously gathered information would have caused many to squirm.

Many of our legal beavers appear to be clueless about what it will take to improve file processing in our court system. BU read with interest an Advocate report which quotes Ralph Thorne QC at the opening of the Barbados Community College Industry Services Unit’s two-day seminar on Effective Debt Collection and Fraud Awareness. In the report Thorne responded to a reporter’s question by essaying the following, “There’s a new set of rules now in the High Court, which has given a lot of speed to the court process – the CPR we call them. In the Magistrates’ Court, it was always fairly quick, but there is a backlog…and you just have to be patient”. Contrast Thorne’s plea to Barbadians to be patient with Daly’s heaping of scorn on the existing system of file processing in our court system. Who should we believe? The evidence is there that the local legal fraternity has been mamaguying Bajans for too long.

Here is what we have been able to unearth for the benefit of Ralph Thorne QC et al. The rules referred to by Thorne otherwise called CPR were introduced by former CJ David Simmons and are the UK 1999 Lord Woolfe Reforms. A Google search lists several hits which question the success of CPR.  CPR depends heavily on Advance Dispute Resolution (ADR) which many argue is another opportunity to put more money into lawyers’ pockets. The question will always remain – should citizens be denied what is their inalienable right to be heard in Court?

The more we survey the mess that is our court system the more we like the appointment of CJ Designate Marston Gibson from outside the inner ring. Perhaps a quote from distinguished Jamaican judge Patrick Robinson when he says that Jamaica’s “failure to replace the United Kingdom Privy Council with the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) has only served to nourish the seed of unfitness, incapacity and inferiority planted in our heads by 300 years of colonisation” points to the root of the problem. Robinson was quoted further when he reminded “his audience that the English court was established in 1833 to hear appeals from the ‘plantations and colonies’. However, he argued that judicial independence, a natural companion of political independence, could and should have been ours[Jamaica] in 1962.” In light of the debate regarding CJ Designate, Daly’s lament of the court process in the region and Thorne’s vacuous mouthings last week at BCC, here is another refreshing intervention by Jamaican judge Robinson. Isn’t this the point Ras has been making in his submissions?

It is time our lawyers who have been educated on the backs of Barbadian taxpayers give some quality service back to the country and arrest their money grabbing laissez-faire approach to their profession.


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  1. @ David. Thanks for bringing up this issue again. The legal system not only in Barbados but across the caribbean is broken … probably beyond repair. The biggest beneficiary of this mess are the lawyers because you will never hear them complain about the status quo. They are paid pro bono or hourly and if you have QC appellation you can hustle them system by juggling multiple cases on the same day . This then leads to case adjourments because at times the lawyers tardy in their preparation .The fist thing we need to clean up the system is to start with the lawyers …and get rid of the hustlers.

    We need a proper case management system in place and please do we really need prelim inquiry.?But most important in the area of criminal prosecution the police force need well train crime scene investigator and to collaberate closely with the DPP in preparation of their case.


  2. Off-topic: PM Gonsalves of St. Vincent won the election.


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  4. On the previous thread yesterday December 13, 2010 at 2:50pm

    I wrote: “Hi Christopher
    This is a tie-over from the Colonial Period when the word”Commonwealth” was often used to legitimate situations. Remember this was in the days of the Privy Council – held in England – it therefore meant it was reasonable to have a Higher Court in London: it was legitimate because it was part of the Commonwealth, it could therefore make decisions for us”.
    ****************************
    Christopher Halsall’s response to me December 13, 2010 at 2:59pm was.

    Quote: “Yardbroom Please forgive me for this, but are ***WE*** all not past this?

    Or, Perhaps put another way, should we not ** ALL** be past this bovine excrement?”
    *****************************
    That a distinguished Jamaican Judge has been quoted as saying, Quote:
    “Failure to replace the United Kingdom Privy Council with the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) has only served to nourish the seed of unfitness, incapacity and inferiority planted in our heads by 300 years of colonialism.”

    Now that a distinguished Judge Patrick Robinson -in context – has made the same point. Christopher Halsall, we are not “past” it, it is now, relevant, and certainly not as you have suggested, “bovine excrement”.


  5. @ David
    With reference to Ras’ submissions, I do not have a problem with the Afro-centric view, it is a noble one.

    I have a problem with by “whom” we are led, and the “core values” of those who purport to lead us, for without proper leadership, we as a people are doomed to failure.

    “Drug induced salvation” is as temporary as the haze we are in: the real problems of life, will follow on the morrow. . . but that is not for this thread.


  6. @Yardbroom

    Your last comment is relevant because underpinning all the arguments is the question of a lack of leadership as some see it. Perhaps this story which came of the newswire yesterday tells what beckons.


  7. @ David
    If cannabis is legalised in America, I make no bold prediction but many black people – not all – will take it to their hearts, particularly in the poorer areas. We will be enslaved again, some whites will smoke the drug it is true, but a way will be found by whites to control the market. I can assure you blacks will not be in control of a legalized drugs market, whatever they might think now.. . . pushers and middle men, yes.

    “Some” black people unfortunately, are always eager to give away their “hard earned” money on trivia.

  8. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Ralph Thorne is a complete opportunist ,a political grasshopper who fancies himself as a top dog.

    First a B then a D and then a B again.
    When owen started giving away the QCs he benefitted from this ,and the judgeship which his wife benefitted from.

    This society seems to throw up these type of persons who love to grab the headline and limelight and pontificate on every issue yet for all that this country has given towards their education – for them, its all about their selfish progress.

    I am worried that we are not providing genuine leaders,persons who really care about the ‘masses’ but persons who in this small society use high profile issues to create name recognition for themselves,and before you know it they are a QC,or lord help us the Attorney -general with an aim to prime ministership like dale marshal.


  9. The legal profession in Barbados is no different from other professions and occupations,,,,,,they all suffer from the same problem LACK OF QUALITY SERVICE!

  10. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    OFFTOPIC

    It seems that Owen got tired of me making fun of the BLP website displaying Mia as political leader. http://blp.org.bb/

    Owen has finally wrestled Mia to the ground and took away the passwords for the Barbados Labour Party website from her. I am Sorry that I missed that fight.

    Let me tell you the Barbados Labour Party website now looks “poor rakey”. Is this the best that they can do. My two year old grand daughter could make a better website than that!

    By the way I do not see any mention on the website of Mia at all.

    The women of Barbados will deal with Barbados Labour Party when the right time comes. The Barbados Labour Party has no respect for Barbadian women.


  11. @Carson

    Forget to say thanks for that Jamaica Observer article, quite interesting considering the times in which we now live.


  12. @Mashup
    Could someone with Brazil President Lula’s education background ever make it to the Leadership of Barbados?
    http://www.v-brazil.com/government/executive-branch/lula.html

    @CCC
    The “Our team” page of the current BLP website has three people, which matches their Logo in numbers, skin colour, and party rank.

  13. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    DAVID

    You are welcome!


  14. @CCC: “My two year old grand daughter could make a better website than that!

    Indeed.

    Try sending a message from “http://www.blp.org.bb/index.php?q=contact”

    Once clicking on “Send e-mail” at the bottom of the form, you are presented with this delightful message:

    * warning: mail() [function.mail]: SMTP server response: 550 Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable or not local in C:Inetpubvhostsblp.org.bbhttpdocsincludesmail.inc on line 193.
    * Unable to send e-mail. Please contact the site administrator if the problem persists.

    Since this problem appears to be persistent, I hope I am contacting the “site administrator” by way of this Blog comment since there appears to be no way of doing so through the site.

    (Here is a hint guys — always provide an e-mail which works which is displayed on every page. Perhaps webmaster@blp.org.bb?)

    (Here is another hint — perhaps most of your pages should not show “COMING SOON”… Unless they really are.)


  15. Just as an aside…

    Does anyone else find it incredulous that the Barbados Labour Party’s web site server is located out side of Barbados?

    A “traceroute” from a LIME consumer here in BIM:

    traceroute to www.blp.org.bb (174.132.132.178), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 192.168.254.254 (192.168.254.254) 0.380 ms 0.509 ms 0.547 ms
    2 65.48.175.1 (65.48.175.1) 34.631 ms 38.741 ms 41.137 ms
    3 wldybras-vss1.caribsurf.com (65.48.207.101) 42.331 ms 43.740 ms 46.165 ms
    4 cwgate2-gw.caribsurf.com (205.214.222.33) 49.752 ms 51.615 ms 53.495 ms
    5 cwgate1.caribsurf.com (205.214.192.10) 56.353 ms 58.478 ms 60.852 ms
    6 bgi2-nyk2.caribsurf.com (65.48.247.106) 112.479 ms 111.368 ms 113.428 ms
    7 sl-gw31-nyc-6-0-1.sprintlink.net (144.223.26.201) 113.557 ms 83.921 ms 82.927 ms
    8 sl-crs1-nyc-0-2-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.13.33) 83.614 ms 84.632 ms 85.481 ms
    9 te-4-2-0.edge1.NewYork1.level3.net (4.68.111.157) 86.108 ms 83.988 ms 85.098 ms
    10 vlan69.csw1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.62) 88.333 ms 87.461 ms vlan79.csw2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.16.126) 89.235 ms
    11 ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.148.33) 88.328 ms ae-72-72.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.148.37) 79.898 ms ae-62-62.ebr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.148.33) 82.265 ms
    12 ae-3-3.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net (4.69.137.121) 140.480 ms 139.558 ms 137.247 ms
    13 ae-4-90.edge4.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.69.145.205) 133.005 ms ae-1-60.edge4.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.69.145.13) 129.276 ms ae-3-80.edge4.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.69.145.141) 129.779 ms
    14 THE-PLANET.edge4.Dallas3.Level3.net (4.59.32.30) 125.033 ms 124.849 ms 124.804 ms
    15 te9-2.dsr02.dllstx3.networklayer.com (70.87.253.30) 126.508 ms te2-3.dsr01.dllstx3.networklayer.com (70.87.255.34) 122.184 ms te2-4.dsr01.dllstx3.networklayer.com (70.87.255.38) 121.912 ms
    16 * te4-1.dsr01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.106) 121.945 ms *
    17 te6-1.car13.dllstx6.networklayer.com (70.87.254.238) 121.952 ms te5-1.car13.dllstx6.networklayer.com (70.87.254.234) 127.497 ms 128.164 ms
    18 b2.84.84ae.static.theplanet.com (174.132.132.178) 125.508 ms 125.569 ms 126.425 ms


  16. But, then, let us please face the truth…

    The “D’s” didn’t do much better:


    traceroute to www.dlpbarbados.org (67.15.250.5), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
    1 192.168.254.254 (192.168.254.254) 0.251 ms 0.399 ms 0.397 ms
    2 65.48.175.1 (65.48.175.1) 34.170 ms 36.049 ms 37.388 ms
    3 wldybras-vss2.caribsurf.com (65.48.207.201) 40.471 ms 41.475 ms 43.860 ms
    4 cwgate2-gw.caribsurf.com (205.214.222.33) 46.503 ms 48.324 ms 50.694 ms
    5 cwgate3.caribsurf.com (205.214.192.13) 53.783 ms 56.628 ms 58.494 ms
    6 bgi1-mia1.caribsurf.com (65.48.247.18) 97.830 ms 97.372 ms 100.744 ms
    7 po-4.r03.miamfl02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (157.238.179.53) 126.823 ms 96.051 ms 93.975 ms
    8 ae-0.r21.miamfl02.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.2.22) 96.888 ms 99.792 ms 98.041 ms
    9 as-3.r20.dllstx09.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.6.86) 125.060 ms 125.939 ms 126.889 ms
    10 xe-6-4.r02.hstntx01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.3.130) 139.656 ms 140.815 ms 143.273 ms
    11 * * *
    12 xe-6-3.r03.hstntx01.us.ce.gin.ntt.net (128.241.1.6) 153.900 ms 123.502 ms 126.779 ms
    13 te2-6.dsr01.hstntx2.networklayer.com (74.55.252.42) 126.270 ms te2-6.dsr02.hstntx2.networklayer.com (74.55.252.46) 127.876 ms 127.920 ms
    14 po1.car11.hstntx2.networklayer.com (74.55.252.166) 128.842 ms po2.car11.hstntx2.networklayer.com (74.55.252.206) 132.655 ms po1.car12.hstntx2.networklayer.com (74.55.252.170) 132.789 ms
    15 ns1.siteground132.com (67.15.250.5) 135.031 ms 137.170 ms 139.828 ms


  17. maybe they fear the unpredictable nature of Lime service. On that note chris ,my personal lime internet service of late has vastly improve in bandwidth almost to the point of getting what i have paid for. Have you notice a similar circumstance?


  18. The judicial system in Barbados stinks, why should someone be held on remand for 2 to 3 years and when the case is called, is proven innocent; 2 to 3 years of thar person’s life has been wasted. Jusitce delayed is justice denied, that’s why we need new blood, someone from outside the box who can change things for the better. The DLP is thinking in the right direction.


  19. @checkit-out

    Thanks, appreciate the feedback!

  20. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Christopher Halsall

    Merry Christmas, if you celebrate Christmas.


  21. off topic
    I thought that you might enjoy this explanation of EU Bailout that some sent to me, because it puts ‘what comes around, goes around’ in a whole new light.

    To those of you who, like me, don’t understand higher international finance below is the best explanation of the situation experienced by those countries that are in receipt of an EU bailout. Brilliant!!

    It is a slow day in a damp little Irish town. The rain is beating down and the streets are deserted. Times are tough, everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. On this particular day a rich German tourist is driving through the town, stops at the local hotel and lays a €100 note on the desk, telling the hotel owner he wants to inspect the rooms upstairs in order to pick one to spend the night. The owner gives him some keys and, as soon as the visitor has walked upstairs, the hotelier grabs the €100 note and runs next door to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the €100 note and runs down the street to repay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the €100 note and heads off to pay his bill at the supplier of feed and fuel. The guy at the Farmers’ Co-op takes the €100 note and runs to pay his drinks bill at the pub. The publican slips the money along to the local prostitute drinking at the bar, who has also been facing hard times and has had to offer him “services” on credit. The hooker then rushes to the hotel and pays off her room bill to the hotel owner with the €100 note. The hotel proprietor then places the €100 note back on the counter so the rich traveler will not suspect anything. At that moment the traveler comes down the stairs, picks up the €100 note, states that the rooms are not satisfactory, pockets the money, and leaves town.

    No one produced anything. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now out of debt and looking to the future with a lot more optimism.

    And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how the bailout package works.

    We are not guilty of such in Bim are we?

  22. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Adrian

    Thanks very much for that Bio on Lula Da Silva.

    You see Adrian if we have political (and other) leaders who reach the pinnacle of their profession or political zenith after having struggled and having walked in the shoe of the working people then they will have some political creds.

    Not these jump -up cum- yahs we have bout here.

    Notice without a University education he turned Brazil into one of the most dynamic developing country.

    I am only sorry that he didnot improve the lives of the afro brazilians during his tenure.


  23. When you are poor in any country justice is denied and delayed. In Barbados it is the same only that you are black and poor.

  24. Carson C. Cadogan Avatar
    Carson C. Cadogan

    Georgie Porgie

    Very entertaining, but it works something like that.


  25. If these Jack Asses can’t even manage their own internals, how on God’s Earth are people to expect that they will deliver in running a country? Democracy is failing because of these Jack Asses …. Big Time …!

    Oh Dear, one of them just got chosen to Chair the NCF … good Christ ….


  26. Oh shoot I forgot to mention that ninety percent of the PMs across the C’bean are likewise Jack Asses … Oh no..!


  27. It is with deep sadness BU learned that Rapist Jippy Doyle will be released after serving 3 of a 10 year term because the trial judge erred in advising the jury.

    Shame!


  28. GAAD works in mysterious ways … do I hear a amen …. haliuah


  29. David
    Does such decisions inflame local folk to further clamor for a justice system led by a CJ of a different sort (allos) instead of one of the same (heteros) or current sort.

    I remember well during my divorce in the early 90’s, one of my patients who worked in the courts told me point blank that the man who carries water and the lawyer wife of a prominent surgeon colludes. And so it turned out.I did not have a chance! He was willing to do whatever this lawyer said.


  30. For the Jippy Doyle case to have taken 7 years before a verdict was rendered then to have a Judge deemed to have erred in instructing the jury is enough to make a healthy man puke.

    God does not like ugly!


  31. Some suggestions for improvements
    1. Proper regulation including a website to complain about lawyers.
    2. Get rid of red tape and high fees generated from glorified form filling services by (redundant) lawyers (i.e. set up internet service for people to file cases and conduct their own legal services and research background information)
    3. Simplify process and allow citizens to file lawsuits for tort


  32. @kiki: “Some suggestions for improvements

    To speak to these points point by point (and I do agree with you):

    1. Is this not supposed to be the job of the (Barbados) Bar?

    1.1. It would be a very brave sole who set up a web site where people could publicly complain about lawyers.

    2. I would argue this actually comes down to the client managing their lawyer. Please remember that the lawyer(s) works for their client(s). (Or, at least, that’s the way it *should* be.)

    2.1. No lawyer (nor their office) should do anything without the explicit instruction from their client.

    3. To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing which prevents an individual from representing themselves in any case — including tort.

    But, as always, I’m more than happy to be proven wrong.

    Amused?


  33. I once presented a simple affidavit, witnessed by a respected JP, to a Chief Officer of a major department.

    He rejected it out of hand, on the premise that it was not on the stationery of an attorney.

    Referring it my attorneys they quoted $2000 for it to be drafted under their hands.

    The JP said his signature was free gratis, and when I persisted in offering some sort of recompense he advised me of his preferred church to which I made a generous contribution.

    After the intervention of my local MP ( a learned friend), commonsense prevailed.

    Bureaucracy will stifle us if we let it thrive.


  34. The legal fraternity in the Caribbean is still half way stuck in the Colonial past. It’s a shame that we talk about a Caribbean Court of Justice and most of the Caribbean countries do not acknowledge it as their highest court. They have to get the seal of approval for their past colonial masters in England. Turns my stomach!


  35. @Anderson M. Pilgrim: “They have to get the seal of approval for their past colonial masters in England. Turns my stomach!

    Not just your stomach. Many others…

    What personally interests me is just how far some of those who want the “statu quo” to continue will go to ensure same….

  36. mash up & buy back Avatar
    mash up & buy back

    Amused

    Is this female judge who erred in the Jippy Doyle case the same one that is being sued in the matter you referred to earlier?

    That person seems to have made many fundamental mistakes since she has been on the bench.

    One of the nasty side effects of electing an active politician like david simmons to the post of Chief Justice is that they bring their political partisanship full and center in to the job as was the case of the selection of judges (collusion between he and arthur).

    Most of these new young judges who are on the bench will be there for a very,very,very long time yet they don’t seem to be worth their weight in paper.

    To be very honest I have very little regards for these new fangled lawyers dey got ’bout here because most of them can’t write a proper brief or letter and I suspect a lot of them can’t read too pretty neither.

    Never mind,I am sure they all have their blackberry and their lovely black suitcase and briefcase.

    Big steupes.


  37. @Blessed to be bajan: “Halsall Typical whitey. Typical whitey huff puff.

    If I may please channel my inner Winston Churchill…

    Yes, my dear. I am white tonight. And I will be white tomorrow.

    But you will still be an anonymous coward tomorrow….


  38. @kiki | December 15, 2010 at 3:43 PM | I agree for the most part. Just a few constructive suggestions:

    “Proper regulation including a website to complain about lawyers.” Will not work. Because you complain does not mean that you are right and publishing that information on a website would be defamatory. The Law Society of Upper Canada has a better system in that it lists the hearings and the names of lawyers complained against and then later publishes the details of their decisions where lawyers have been disciplined (including disbarred). The BBA, to be truly effective, needs to do the same thing. Also, if you have a complaint against a lawyer in Ontario, the LSUC gives guidance on its website as to how to make the complaint and advisers that can be contacted to assist the general public. The BBA would do well to copy this. Finally, given that we are a small and to some degree incestuous country, the names of the various panels hearing complaints out to be published, so that it is easily ascertainable if any member has a conflict of interest and ought to recuse themselves from the panel and there should be penalties levied against those who, knowing they are in conflict, did not ask to be recused.

    “Get rid of red tape and high fees generated from glorified form filling services by (redundant) lawyers (i.e. set up internet service for people to file cases and conduct their own legal services and research background information)”. Your usual anti-lawyer rhetoric removed, I agree that the Courts ought to provide an Internet service so that everyone can file online, including lawyers. Believe me, the time it takes for filing and personal service contributes to a large extent to the size of lawyer’s fees. In most countries, service can be effected (although not always) by fax and even by e-mail. Our civil procedure rules need to be seriously overhauled to allow us in Barbados to do the same.

    “Simplify process and allow citizens to file lawsuits for tort.” Agreed. This is a simple process, as is seen by Ontario. Publish the rules of civil procedure online and also publish forms in a format that allows for downloading as documents that can be filled in. To do that, of course, also requires that the courts file online all tort legislation – like Ontario does.

    @Christopher Halsall | December 15, 2010 at 4:29 PM | “To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing which prevents an individual from representing themselves in any case — including tort.” Absolutely correct. You then appear “in propria personam” or, for short, “in personam”. However, in Barbados this is not wise, as, to the best of my knowledge, civil procedure rules (annotated) are not published on the internet and the hassle of the average person getting hold of a current copy (they change all the time) is off-putting. To go into a case without knowledge of these is most unwise and potentially ruinous if you lose the case.

    Straight talk | December 15, 2010 at 5:44 PM | “I once presented a simple affidavit, witnessed by a respected JP, to a Chief Officer of a major department. He rejected it out of hand, on the premise that it was not on the stationery of an attorney.” The officer was wrong and, instead of taking $2,000 from you, your attorneys ought to simply have laid a legal letter on the department advising that the affidavit should be accepted, or they would face a legal action to compel its acceptance with costs against the department. Of course, the letter would have cost a great deal less than $2,000 for what in all possibility was merely putting your affidavit on another piece of paper and stamping it by the lawyer saying it was drawn and prepared by them. HOWEVER, a word of caution. Affidavits are usually not acceptable as witnessed by a JP, no matter how eminent. You may require a commissioner for oaths and sometimes, as in the case of court documents, someone in the Registry. BUT to refuse it on the basis that it is not on a lawyer’s lettehead is just rediculous.

    And that raises another issue. The unwieldy nature of filing and serving court documents in Barbados. Once again, we would do well to look at and copy Ontario. Obviously you have to file with the courts in person, but the added expense of obtaining certified copies to be served on the other side when this could simply be done by fax, is merely another way of costing litigants (the public) more money and putting up their bills from their lawyers.

    @mash up & buy back | December 15, 2010 at 6:04 PM | I have to admit that I do not know which judge tried the Jippy Doyle case. If you wish to enlighten me, please feel free. The action to which I refered is a matter of public record and that a judge was sued for what she was sued for, is clearly and unequivocally a matter of national interest and importance and I fully intend to write a document-backed piece on it for BU, so that I am content that there is neither defamation nor breach of any matters sub judice and, therefore, anyone who objects can sit on it and rotate at high speed.

    @Christopher Halsall | December 15, 2010 at 6:37 PM | Excellent reply to a childish and ignorant remark. I wonder where this idiot was when you and ROK were spending so much time and effort AND your own resources, trying to keep his blasted water bill down.


  39. Further to my earlier comments, this is the way the Law Society of Upper Canada deals with complaints:
    http://www.lsuc.on.ca/faq.aspx?id=1144
    http://www.lsuc.on.ca/regulatory_proceedings/
    http://www.lsuc.on.ca/with.aspx?id=696
    http://www.lsuc.on.ca/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147483956
    http://www.lsuc.on.ca/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=2147484057

    Please note, however, that before submitting a matter for a disciplinary hearing, the LSUC would first carry out a full investigation into the complaint. They then report back on the matter: http://www.lsuc.on.ca/with.aspx?id=689

    I also note that there is a “civility protocol”: http://www.lsuc.on.ca/with.aspx?id=642
    No system is perfect, but this at least makes best efforts to be transparent.


  40. BU has removed a few comments from this blog which as we have explained previously is someone who takes delight in spamming BU on a daily basis.


  41. @Amused (December 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM): “I wonder where this idiot was when you and ROK were spending so much time and effort AND your own resources, trying to keep his blasted water bill down.

    Thank you for your kind and informed words.

    But, just for the record…

    BANGO have not yet had the chance to try to keep anyone’s “blasted water bill down”.

    As has been published in the local “forth estate”, the Barbados Water Authority (BWA) are not yet “ready” to be regulated by the Barbados “Fair Trading Commission” (FTC); and no hearings about water rate increases have been conducted. The BWA is a monopoly — but is state owned.

    ROK, I, and Douglas Skeete of BANGO most recently spend a great deal of time, effort and personal resources trying to keep everyone’s blasted electrical bill down.

    We failed; despite our best efforts. (Along with a dozen other intervenors.)

    Sorry for that. We truly did our best.

    It seems the system was stacked against us all….


  42. Amused (December 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM): “However, in Barbados this is not wise, as, to the best of my knowledge, civil procedure rules (annotated) are not published on the internet and the hassle of the average person getting hold of a current copy (they change all the time) is off-putting.

    Care to share where one might obtain the “civil procedure rules (annotated)” in hard copy?

    Care to explain why the People of Barbados are not advised to represent themselves in Our own courts?


  43. @ Chris. The official printers, I fear. Expensive too. I invite you to view the difference between Barbados and Ontario here: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_900194_e.htm

    And when you need the forms and formats, here: http://www.ontariocourtforms.on.ca/english/civil/

    Now, with state of the art computer equipment in our new law courts, can you explain to me why in hell Barbados cannot do the same?


  44. @Chris/Amused
    A Government and Court approved internet service offering quicker, cheaper, better value and streamlined legal services, would be successful and profitable solution for everyone.


  45. @Kiki. There is no reason why we can’t have it that way. Heaven knows we have spent enough taxpayers money on state-of-the-art equipment for the new courts that no one seems quite to know how to use. Why don’t they contract Chris to provide training and an analysis as to who will cut it and who will not. Either the people who use that equipment have to learn how to use it properly, or go. That is another reason that I welcome the new CJ. He is currently working in an environment where such use of the Internet is the norm and where ordinary people, for lack of funds, do actually appear in propria personam. Our next step would be to ensure that judges develop a greater deal of flexibility in their approach to persons who choose to represent themselves. Indeed, I would even suggest an advisory body manned by lawyers who are available to advise – at the expense of the state or pro bono – anyone who wishes to act in personam. There needs to be the development of print material for those members of the public to study and conform with. You cannot change the rules of the court, as the goal posts must be the same for everyone. But surely it makes sense to ensure that if people are appearing who are not lawyers, they know the relevant rules. It also requires that judges NOT allow any lawyer who opposes such a person to blind them with science and try to obscure and drag out processes or to bully and grandstand. Utopia, I know, but we could at least make some sort of an effort.

    Although I do think that ADR is currently over-sold by the legal fraternities (who derive a very nice income indeed from it) in other countries, there is, nonetheless, a crying need to see it more frequently practiced in Barbados. There are several top rate retired justices of appeal who would be excellent mediators. There is a need to get that through to the public. This would have the effect of reducing the backlog of cases and the waiting time for cases to be heard and decided. Then too, the whole approach to the case is far less formal and more flexible.

    Mostly, it would be helpful to have effective citizens’ advice bureaus manned by paralegals and lawyers. I cannot help thinking that this would greatly cut down on time and expense to the people of this country. Naturally, the cost of this would fall on the taxpayer, but the benefits would far outweigh the cost, in my view.


  46. The process stinks, and they are those among us who are in positions to do something about it who are thriving excellently… Now seriously, why should these Jack Asses change anything which will result in taking food away from their greasy mouths …?


  47. And by the way I am yet to meet one marginally intelligent Judge …!

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