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Hartley Henry – DLP Political Strategist

Dear Reader, very often one comes across a piece of correspondence that absolutely floors you. In cricketing terms, itโ€™s called an unplayable delivery. You simply do not know what to do with it. You are left dazed! In such circumstances, I have opted over the years to simply pass it on; share it with others and hear what they say. See if their reaction is similar to yours.

The following is a piece of correspondence that was shared with me by a fellow writer at the Barbados Advocate who also was floored by the sincerity and forthrightness of the author, whom none of us knew and who, to this day, remains anonymous. It does not matter who the author was, what matters is that out there in Bajan country, are persons who are sitting up and taking note of the downward spiral in Barbados journalism.

Dear Reader, I shall share the contents of the correspondence, which came in the form of a Letter to the Editor, and offer no further commentโ€ฆat this time.

Dear Editor:

Thank you for preserving the dignity of the Prime Minister at this most distressing time.

While your neighbour and competitor seem to thrive on classless, insensitive journalism I want to encourage you to continue to take the high road. Less than twenty-four hours after our Prime Minister did what none of us would ever wished to be faced with, the electronic edition of the Nation Newspaper launched an opinion poll which posed the question, and I will paraphrase – Should the Prime Minister reveal to the nation the nature of his illness?.

What I wonder has informed this question. Is it not enough that he has told us that he is ill – so ill in fact that he has asked us to continue to pray for him and craved our forbearance while he attends to his health? I emphasize ‘continue’ because I know as a people we Barbadians always pray for our leaders.

Does the public’s right to know trump a fellow human being’s right to dignity – even if he happens to be the Prime Minister? If we find out the detail of what ails him will that change the course of the events that have unfolded so far? Is it that we wish to ascertain whether the illness that has stricken our Prime Minister is contagious so that it is in the nature of a threat to public health? I think not? What will we be asking for next – what medication he is on or what diet has he been following?

We must resist the unfortunate human condition which tends to gossip. I would expect our media houses should feel a sense of responsibility in making sure that while they fearlessly and impartially report the news they do not lower our common standards of decency and propriety which I hope we still hold dear.

Unfortunately, the Internet poll was one of three offerings from the Nation which I found particularly distasteful. The second was the image of the PM on the front page. Again, whether or not his current state was plastered on the front of today’s paper, the revelation of him handing over the reins of government to his deputy is already newsworthy. This is not a question of the public’s right to know – we know – PM Thompson laid bare his condition on television just the night before.

The dignity of the man, as husband, father and leader of this nation is what is at stake. Why can we not use the ‘official’ photos of our Prime Minister even now? Do you think we will forget that he is not well?

Equally disingenuous to both the Prime Minister and his Deputy – at least in my view – was the cartoon depicting the PM taking a step down and his seemingly gleeful Deputy stepping up to the top tier of a podium. How absolutely uncalled for! Has the Attorney-General won some hard-fought prize? Has he ousted his colleague and leader from power? Absolutely not! This is not a power struggle that has been determined.

I sincerely hope that this brand of journalism is not in an effort to boost sales. I expect it is not a secret that the Nation’s current circulation is enviable. Can we please put ourselves in the PM’s shoes and follow the oldest maxim – love one another as God loves us. In our speech, in our actions and especially in our reporting let us treat our Prime Minister as we would wish to be treated – especially in this time of illness.

Congratulations Mr. Editor in handling the Prime Minister and your readership with the dignity and respect we deserve.

Dear Reader, what can I say? I do not propose further comment at this stageโ€ฆbut, rest assured, further comment will come! The backdrop to the foregoing will be shared with all Barbadosโ€ฆin the fullness of time.

But I find myself humming to the strains of one of Mighty Gabbyโ€™s classics: One Day Coming Soonโ€ฆthe people will wake up!

Hartley Henry is a Regional Political Strategist. He can be reached at hartleyhenry@gmail.com


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  1. @Georgie

    How much time do you spend at UWI teaching? I ask this because you sure seem desperate for an audience to lecture to. You have issues my boy…serious issues. Maybe you should consider taking an anti-depressant…may I recommend St. John’s Wort?


  2. Atman, obviously we must all, after being appropriately advised, make our own decisions.

    Doctors have been wrong on many occasions, just as your mechanic has been wrong, but unfortunately, the nechanic obviously has a greater chance of being right, as the body is inherently more complicated and each of us reacts differently to different medications, treatments etc.

    I am not saying that GP is wrong here, but merely that even if he was about this one, it does not mean that he does, in the main, not know what he is speaking / writing of.

    Lastly, I would be very careful in using ‘naturopathic supplements without carefully assessing their side-effects.

    After all, remember that what we call naturopathic, is actually the ‘original modern’ medicine, as developed by the German pharmaceutical industry days (I may be wrong, but that is what I understand).

    While naturopathic is ‘closer’ to Earth’s provision (than synthetic formulations), it is still concentrations of plant substances created to make medicine and therefore has specific uses and side-effects.

    While it seems that you are aware of the possible existence of side-effects, pay careful attention that you do not write these off, as remember, every one of us has different DNA and reacts differently, so generalisations are very dangerous on the medicinal and side-effects.

    Be careful of peddlers of such substances who may not provide adequate warnings and notations of possible effects.

    Also, use common sense, as ‘studies’ come out every day,oftentimes with conflicting hypotheses.

  3. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Bonny
    As far as I know Billy only came to Bim once in the late 50’s
    If you watch Billy Grahmes programmes you will note he gives a Gospel message and then he asks folk to come foward in an altar call as ” Just as I am “is sung. Billy is traditional Baptist not Pentecostal. So he doesnt engage in glosallalia or “slaying” folk and all that junk.


  4. @ Crusoe // July 11, 2010 at 6:44 AM

    You said:- “Also, use common sense, as โ€˜studiesโ€™ come out every day,oftentimes with conflicting hypotheses.”
    ………………………………………………………………………………………….

    I learned a long time ago that “common sense” ain’t so common at all! ๐Ÿ™‚


  5. @de Hood, y’know lol.

    By the way, to my point, as you know *peanuts* kill some people.

    So whatcha think about tinctures and concentrations of other plants?

    Generalisations…..


  6. @ Georgie Porgie // July 11, 2010 at 8:19 AM

    You said:- “So he doesnt engage in glosallalia or โ€œslayingโ€ folk and all that junk.”
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    Well said, Doc! I was wondering if I would ever hear such a statement from such as yourself! Keep going, I think there is yet hope for you. Like I told you some time ago, if you sincerely want to know ALL the truth you would eventually find it if you keep close to the Holy Spirit. Cheers! ๐Ÿ™‚


  7. @ Crusoe // July 11, 2010 at 8:27 AM

    You asking ME about “tinctures, concentrations and other plants” ?? I hope you really mean that for the Doc. I would not have a clue. I only went to school in AUGUST! ( And that was on the playground!) ๐Ÿ™‚


  8. @Crusoe

    You also seem to be missing my point, which is, GP’s ego would not allow him to accept that he is wrong in this instance (Tony Marshall Syndrome). So rather than accepting that his he wrong, or that his information on SJW is outdated, he chooses to be strongheaded about it and wants to manipulate the discussion to make it seem as if he is right. That’s not being adult and professional…that’s the Tony Marshall Syndrome.


  9. @Bonny Peppa
    What about them Pentecostal people that speak in “Tongues” .Well whenever i speak I tongues…………………Not fit for comment!.


  10. @ Atman

    Even if something you said was true I would still have doubts because of it originating from a dlp lackey like you.


  11. @ ac

    I want you to understand that when the scriptures teach about speaking in “tongues” it is not trying to tell us to talk “gibberish” and such tommy rot.

    We are taught that ‘tongues” actually mean different languages and that whenever this occurs under the influence of the Holy Spirit then there should also be an interpreter present to decipher the foreign language (tongue) being spoken.
    Does that help?

    I believe that the Doc could do an exegesis on this far better than I can.


  12. @Crusoe

    If a medicine is “generally” safe, then it is just that, generally safe. It means that for the great majority of people they will experience no side effects if taken at the proper dosage (quantity and length of time). It does take a PhD in medicine to know that just as some people experience allergic reactions to some foods that we eat everyday, that the same would apply to medicines (herbal or otherwise produced).

  13. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    Crusoe
    Re each of us reacts differently to different medications, treatments etc.

    This is called idiosyncrasies. A small number of folk will react differently to a drug. It is important to know the pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of drugs ie what the body does to the drugs, and what the drugs do to the body. That is what Pharmacologists do to alert us about the โ€œins and outsโ€ of drugs.

    When one studies or teaches Pharmacology, stress is made on learning or presenting the various classes of drugs. This important as new drugs usually fall into an old class or are put in a new class. St Johnโ€™s are classified as an MAOI. When I taught the Pharm section of a Review for the USMLE exam in Mexico two years ago. The dangers of St Johnโ€™s wort was stressed in the TOXICOLOGY section of the course. In other words the United States Medical Licensing Body wants their medical students to be aware of its dangers. When I studied for the Certificate in Botanical Medicine from the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine in 1998, they also high lighted this issue.

    Leading text books in Pharmacology like Jawetz high lighted this issue in the chapter on Herbs. If the Naturopaths and the Pharmacologists highlight it in their books, and the USMLE also does, do you think that I care what a Pharmacological illiterate finds on the internet?

    Re I would be very careful in using โ€˜naturopathic supplements without carefully assessing their side-effects.

    We should be careful about the side effects of ALL drugs. ALL drugs are potential poisons. Even the commonly used panadol. (see the jaundice ppt for details)

    The German pharmaceutical industry and their formulary called the ESOP I think it is has a lot to do with many naturopathic formulations. They have a lot of experience with these agents. It was thought that the ESOP be translated especially for the North Americans, where naturopathic medicine is now a multi billion busyness.

    I am not saying that naturopathic formulations should not be used as I have got good results in a particular person with tumeric for pain. This is not surprising as it has a phenyl ring in its structure. And it seems from examining the structures of pain killers that the phenyl ring might be the part of the molecule that might be the site that connects with the pain receptor sites. But we must be aware of the possible side effects.

    Many side effects do not become apparent in drug trials sometimes. In the 70โ€™s when I studied Pharmacology first, the benzodiazepines like Valium were said not to have any side effects. But years of using it have proven this to be quite false.

    Many recent drugs have had to be recalled. As larger numbers have been exposed to these drugs (far lager than in trials) more has been found out about the drugs. The chapter on Drug Metabolism in Pharmacology texts indicate the complexity of the bodyโ€™s handling of drugs. Many factors are involved; Sex, age, food and drug interactions (even using grapefruit juice!)

    There is much merit in your advice which states

    โ€œBe careful of peddlers of such substances who may not provide adequate warnings and notations of possible effects. Also, use common sense, as โ€˜studiesโ€™ come out every day, oftentimes with conflicting hypotheses.โ€

    Actually folk are paid to bring out conflicting studies.
    Many University lectures must publish to keep their jobs.
    It is refreshing to read a post that reflects some basic understanding of relevant issues.
    Much of what we read online is junk. We must check that information is coming from reputable sources, and accords with the facts of the Basic Medical Sciences.

  14. Georgie Porgie Avatar
    Georgie Porgie

    โ€ข de hood
    I have a paper on glosallalia some where that I wrote in one of my courses. If I can remember which course it is and find it. I will try to post it here. But a consideration of the greek indicates as you say that when the scriptures teach about speaking in โ€œtonguesโ€ it is not trying to tell us to talk โ€œgibberishโ€ and that โ€˜tonguesโ€ actually mean different languages and that whenever this occurs under the influence of the Holy Spirit then there should also be an interpreter present to decipher the foreign language (tongue) being spoken.


  15. @Atman

    At times on BU all* of us have had to hold some kicks. It is the BU way but this time you appear to argue for arguing sake. You asked Doc GP yesterday his opinion and he told you he would have to look it up that he was not that familiar. However in the spirit of sharing the BU way, he shared his thoughts in a general way (a &b&c)what he knew about how drugs work the body. You thanked GP and then proceeded to argue a non-point and flamed the situation by questioning GP’s medical bona fides. You were the one who asked GP for his medical opinion!

    Look fair is fair and BU has to side with GP on this one and GP has held his fair share of licks from BU…lol.


  16. @dehood

    I should think so! however they are places of worship that does not present the “speaking of tongues” as one that can be interpreted and it all sounds like “gobble gobble” to me. Some of these churches for sure would be praying in “Tongues for the PM. today and they will be no interpreter. They excuse would be that God understands what they are saying.
    Question: What then would you say to such people with such an understanding?


  17. @De Hood wrote:

    Even if something you said was true I would still have doubts because of it originating from a dlp lackey like you.
    ==============================================================
    That statement speaks for itself…pitiful…typical low-life bajan mentality. Does political bias have to enter every discussion? The only party I haven’t been accused of belonging to is the PPP…and I wonder how come. Wait…is the PDC a genuine political party? If so, I haven’t been accused of belonging to them as yet either.


  18. @David

    You obviously haven’t followed the sequence of events properly, and maybe you should look back at the postings before making such an erroneous judgment.

    1. Initially I asked GP about “NEEM LEAF TEA” and it’s ability to control hypertension. He gave me his answer and I thanked him letting him know that I saw the same info on the web.

    2. He then went on to say “We must however be careful with natural products because some are potentially very harmfull especially ST JONS WORT”, and I responded by saying “But contrary to what you are saying about St. Johnโ€™s Wort, Iโ€™ve read that it is a useful herbal anti-depressant with very little or no side effects. Anyway, I take your point that some plants are toxic and harmful.”

    3. He then said to me, “You really think that St Johnโ€™s wort does not have side effects? Take it with some cheese or Bovril etc and we will talk about it in the sweet bye and bye, cause we wont get a chance to discuss it in the nasty now and now.
    I promise you it will blow a gasket up in your brain like some other antidepressants do.” To which I replied, “Iโ€™m not saying that you are wrong GP, but could you point me to some evidence (web link) that would support your claim? Afterall, I could only assume that you are a real doctor because I donโ€™t know you from Adam.”

    4. He then told me to look up the “side effects to MAO inhibitors”, and I looked up the information specifically as it pertains to St. John’s Wort, and presented him with some information that is contrary to his opinion and that specific herb. He didn’t want to except that, due to his large ego, so he kept on ranting and raving about MAOI side effects in a general manner RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON THE PARTICULAR HERB THAT HE INTRODUCED INTO THE DISCUSSION.

    Do you understand now David?


  19. Understand very well Atman but the subtle point being made you have missed. You had the confidence to ask his opinion on neem leaf but when he disagreed with you on st jons wort you were driven to question his bona fides…lol.


  20. @David

    Quite frankly I don’t care who BU (you) side with, because you seem to be saying that because I asked his opinion on something and he gave me an answer, that I should not challenge him if I find reliable information to the contrary. That’s not going to fly with me sir.

    I asked about about one herb, and he introduced another herb into the discussion to stress a point, and I produce information that suggest his claims are not entirely accurate. Now I’m still waiting for him to point me to some current evidence (not written by him) that will support his claim. If he was a true professional he would have done that already.


  21. @David

    It wasn’t about confidence in him David. I have confidence in my own doctor who I see 3 or 4 time a year. I merely threw out the question to him to see if he would tell me anything other than what I have already research on the web regarding Neem leaf tea.


  22. @Atman

    BU’s recollection (will apologize if wrong) is that you produced a cut and paste without a reference link. Although BU is not a academic journal it makes sense to list your reference source, you maybe quoting from a madman …lol.


  23. @David

    That’s a reasonable statement and request. I will look it up again and post the link shortly.

  24. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    David & de Hood
    It is nice of you to try todefend me, but you are dealling with an illiterate in Pharmacology.

    Do you know how many drugs that were thought to be safe in clinical trials.

    Note the ignorance of the man

    I asked the moron to cite the side effects of MAOI (which he has not yet done).

    J and Annonymous looked up the side effects and seemed to get the point about MAO!’s that I wanted to teach and discuss, as this is the concern about which the populace ought to be aware.

    I have since cited the sources where the info I gave is corroborated.. I dont really come to BU to argue with illiterates. I am not good at dealing with illiterates. I dont normally have to deal with them. I deal with folk who want to learn and understand issues, not prove that the wrong information they see on line is erroneous

    ” If a medicine is โ€œgenerallyโ€ safe, then it is just that, generally safe. It means that for the great majority of people they will experience no side effects if taken at the proper dosage (quantity and length of time).”

    WE ARE FINDING OUT THAT IS NOT REALLY TRUE SINCE THERE ARE MANY OTHER VARIABLES TO CONSIDER

    Re It does take a PhD in medicine to know that just as some people experience allergic reactions to some foods that we eat everyday, that the same would apply to medicines (herbal or otherwise produced).

    DRUG INTERACTIONS AND IDIOSYNCRASIES DO NOT ONLY PRESENT AS ALLERGIES. IN FACT MOSST DO NOT. BUT WHAT DOES A PHARMACOLOGY ILLITERATE KNOW.

    HE DOES NOT KNOW
    HE DOES NOT KNOW THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW
    AND THINKS HE CAN TEACH ME. Hilarious.

    Why do you think that I chose that particular example?


  25. @Atman.

    If you are seeing a doctor 3 or 4 time a year, that suggest you have a somewhat serious medical condition and you may want to be extremely careful about sources you “already research on the web.”

    I hope you have figured out by now that a man who does not like to be wrong (like GP) is a credible source of information.

  26. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    David

    Note the moron wrote

    “that I should not challenge him if I find reliable information to the contrary”

    Who says it is reliable? Who says that the other texts I quoted are not reliable too?

    How many articles that you have posted on BU from so called reliable sources on BU that we have debunked by going back to the Basics?

    I dont care if folk take St Joh’ns Wort or not, but I have shared with BU the warnings and information I have gleaned from several reputable sources. I dont come on BU citing links. Some folk thik that everything seen on the internet is gospel it isnt. And I done with that. .


  27. @David

    Below is the link. See the entire section under “Precautions”. Now they are saying that even though the studies done in the 1990s indicate that SJW is not likely to react with tyramine if taken in normal doses, as a precaution one should avoid using foods containing tyramine. Certainly this is not the same as saying:

    “Take it with some cheese or Bovril etc and we will talk about it in the sweet bye and bye, cause we wont get a chance to discuss it in the nasty now and now. I promise you it will blow a gasket up in your brain like some other antidepressants do.”

    http://www.all-natural.com/hyp-1.html

  28. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Hants
    The issue here really was to get across the warning that J and Annonymous got. Annonymous said he found in a very short time

    As a MAOI St Johns wort is potentially dangerous.
    Sensible doctors avoid using drugs if they can.
    Sensible doctors warn their patients about what is potentially dangerous. They err on the side of caution.

    I dont rush in the classroom with the first thing I find online, because after eight years of teaching Basic Sciences I have found that there are several conflicting information.

    Check any six sources on a drug and you will find significant differences in the information . How does the medical illiterate know which ones to ignore, and which to accept?


  29. @GP re drug interactions and presentation….

    I knew a guy overseas who could not take caffeine or more than one beer, if not he would lose balance, literally.

    He was (in the extraordinary sense) brilliant. Top marks always, studied yes, but top, top brain.

    Methinks whatever was (and please pardon me) ‘different’ with his head, gave him both brilliance and the unfortunate affliction of ‘off-balancing’.


  30. @Hants

    Never mind what serious condition I may or may not have, the topic is not about me, the topic is about St. John’s Wort (a natural anti-depressant) which I have no need of taking.


  31. There is already a buzz in some political circles about a recent sighting in the company of a well-known son of the soil traversing the hills and valleys of St John.
    Was that just a social visit?

    Despite some peopleโ€™s aspirations (I put it no higher!), however, the question of stature must come into play, given that the seat has been held by two Democratic Labour Party Prime Ministers.

    If and when the circumstances arise, such factors as profession, class and political pedigree will come to the fore in a way that brings a complete unknown into the reckoning.

    It stands to reason, then, that someone who is an attorney-at-law, for example, from the right social background with political pedigree may emerge โ€“ in essence, a potential leader.

    The above is an extract from Albert Brandfordโ€™s column.

    Also a very interesting article from Ezra Alleyne which questions the constitutionality of the recent Stuart, Ronald Jones, Adriel Brathwaite appointments.

  32. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    When you read this junk you will see that jackass has given you a link that supports what I have said.

    Here are some salient points

    Note the source that this medical illiterate bases his arguement on. A PILL PUSHING COMPANY! Not Goodman and Gillman! Not reputable journals. Not a series of articles by credible sources. But an advertisement by a A PILL PUSHING COMPANY trying to drum up busyness in North America!

    Note that the fool selects one paragraph that suits him and neglects the more important warnings all around this paragraph.

    Dr. Donald Brown of Bastyr University ………………….. also advises avoiding foods that contain tyramine, alcoholic beverages, and medications such as tyrosine, narcotics, amphetamines, and over-the-counter cold and flu remedies while taking St. John’s Wort. St. John’s Wort should not be taken while also taking prescription antidepressants. It is also Dr. Brown’s opinion that St. John’s Wort should not be used during pregnancy or lactation.

    According to Jonathan Zuess, MD (author of The Natural Prozac Program), tyramine seems to primarily be a problem if a person has high blood pressure. This is due to St. John’s Wort working in a similar way to drugs that are monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs).

    IS THIS NOT WHAT I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY
    Is this not the information that J and annonymous found?

    However, studies done in the 1990’s have shown that the MAOI-like effect of St. John’s Wort is negligible when it’s used in normal doses. So it is unlikely that it would react with tyramine

    Unlikely? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
    What studies were done to determine this?
    What is negligible? What about the idiosyncratic person? The elderly> etc

    They are mild antedepressants that ought to be prefered for mild depression.

    In Germany, where doctors have had the most experience with St. John’s Wort, it is considered safe to use in patients with high blood pressure.

    Nonetheless, if you have high blood pressure, and your doctor agrees to your use of St. John’s Wort, the following precautions should be taken:

    Have your blood pressure checked at least weekly for the first six weeks, and at least monthly thereafter.

    Do not eat foods containing tyramine.

    Even if you do not have high blood pressure, do not take St. John’s Wort with amino acid supplements (especially phenylalanine and tyrosine). Amino acids are a form of monoamines, which can pose a danger when mixed with St. John’s Wort.

    The monoamines that you get in your diet (such as the amino acids in meat) are less concentrated and are not a hazard.

    HOW DOES THE WRITER KNOW HOW MUCH PROTEIN THE PATIENT WILL TAKE AND THEREFORE HOW MUCH AMINO ACIDS

    Here is a perfect example of a jackass incapable of reading the litterature.
    The promoter of this product is struggling to refrain from warning about the potential harm of St John’s wort


  33. @Georgie

    Most people would have to overdose on SJW for it to have the effect that you claim it will have if taken with cheese etc.. And overdosing on any drug can be lethal. I don’t have to be a PhD in pharmacology to read information and use my common sense GP. So how many adjectives are you going to find to describe me? LOL


  34. @Georgie

    I didn’t expect you to give up and throw in the towel GP…oh no…not you. LOL

  35. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Crusoe
    That is interesting.
    More interesting is a documentary I saw last evening that purports that a receptor has been found in the brain for an active substance in cannabis, indicating that cannabis has been put on earth for a good reason.

    Apparently the receptor has been found to have to do with FORGETTING! Research is being done with this receptor to find a drug for war veterans with post traumatic stress disorder who can not forget the horrors of warfare.

    It is thought that we use these receptors to forget all the stimuli that we process daily. E.g you need to forget all you see on the way to work each day so that you can focus when you get there.

  36. Georgie Porgie Avatar

    Atman
    You clearly dont understand what you have read, andknow no Pharmacology. Nor have you witnessed what I am taking about.

    Do you think the article by that pill pusher you cite suffices?

    Man once I released my Pharm class in Curacao on some Drug Reps. They tore thier presentations to threads USING PHARMACOLOGICAL PRINCIPLES. I was really proud

    David
    The key words you used such as “profession, class and political pedigree” were probably those used in 1987 also.

    That is sad because it denies folk with passion and genuine interest from participating


  37. @GP

    Have to reread Ezra’s article and it does merit some further discussion from our legal eagles.


  38. David

    Recently I wrote a post where I stated that the nation had jettisoned โ€œEzra Alleyneโ€ after the last election and you have now published a link to an article in the Nation. When did he resume writing in the Nation?


  39. @Sargeant

    Don’t believe he has a column but he appears to be still regarded as the goto lawyer by the Nation as the most competent to opine about constitutional and corporate matters.

    Also Ezra is said to be the legal advisor to the Nation newspaper.


  40. @Georgie

    On one hand you said the link supports what you have said, and in the same breath you’re calling it junk because it points out that the MAOI effect of SJW is negligible at normal doses.

    Ok, here’s another link published by “UK Patient” this year on SJW. It say’s that SJW may be an MAO Inhibitor, but under the “Contra-Indications” section there is no particular mention of tyramine and high blood pressure. The focus is on interactions with other antidepressants, other precription drugs, oral contraceptives, bipolar disease, and pregnancy. How come they haven’t found it necessary to whip the MAOI horse as you have?

    http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/St-John's-Wort.htm


  41. @Atman

    You need to quit man ..lol.


  42. Georgie
    You know your stuff. Forget Atman who has an agenda. I was trying to keep away from the Pancreatic Cancer talk due to the sensitivity of issues. However, your symptoms of Jaundice, stomach pains and the speedy loss of weight is correct. Although we hear of patients plan of surgery, the risk factor is 90% for those who will not make it. Would you believe that over 37,000 people have been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in 2009 in the USA and over 34,000 will eventually die making it the fourth leading cause of cancer death in the world. Instead of crucifying Geogie, bloggers will be better enlightened with his knowledge Free of Cost. And finally, ignore Mental Degenerate (MD) who ain’t say ah pang yet.


  43. @Georgie

    I’m going to try to post that last link again, but it seems to getting truncated at the end. Maybe David can do something about it if this one doesn’t work.

    http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/St-John's-Wort.htm


  44. @David

    Oh please…why do I need to quit. All those who want to believe that GP’s word is always gospel when it comes to medicinal herbs and drugs that’s a matter for them. Regardless of what the topic may be, when I believe I have a point to make, I usually drive it home. Anyway, it’s lunch time and then football…catch you guys later.


  45. @Atman

    This is my first posting to the site. I am not a physician. Quite often I have heard or read a warning about St. Johns Wort. On this matter, For this reason, I must side with GP. I know that God made all plants, but let us agree that in the same way some plants are useful, others can be harmful and others are outright poisonous.


  46. http://psy.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/44/4/271

    “Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOIs)

    Although there are no known reports of interactions, on the basis of an in vitro study, St. John’s wort may theoretically potentiate the effects of MAOIs, leading to clinical toxicity, such as serotonin syndrome or hypertensive crisis. A recent case report (78) described sudden onset of hypertension (to 201/140) with delirium in a 41-year-old man after taking St. John’s wort, eating aged cheeses, and drinking a glass of red wine.”

    The scientific literature indicates to me that the use of St John’s Wort should only be done under the direction of a physician with particular knowledge of the plant.


  47. Decided to pop back in before football started.

    @Anonymous

    If you read some of the various websites you’ll see that they say that St. John’s Wort is a very popular and widely used in the treatment of mild to moderate depression. Yes, there will always be a “few” persons who will suffer negative or lethal effects when using certain drugs, but if St. John’s Wort was as deadly as GP has portrayed it, would it still be so widely used and allowed by doctors?

    GP went as far as to say, “Take it with some cheese or Bovril etc ….I promise you it will blow a gasket up in your brain like some other antidepressants do”. This is an over exaggeration, all he should do is admit that it was an over exaggeration and bring the subject to a close. The fact is that the MAOI effect of SJW is very limited and you’d most likely have to overdose on it to cause the kind of effect that GP exaggerated.

    I’m just your average joe…nobody special…but I’m not affraid to challenge anyone, or any establishment, if I believe I stand on good ground with my point. So let the word go forth. LOL


  48. @Atman,

    Did you go to this page first and are you comfortable with the information on this site.
    http://www.patient.co.uk/about.asp

    Just asking.


  49. Some one wrote โ€œWhen MAOIs were first introduced in the 1960s, the country was swept by a wave of deaths from inexplicable brain hemorrhages.โ€

    St Johnโ€™s wort is considered as a MAOI. It therefore has the potential to cause brain hemorrhages as GP suggests.

    GP is to be commended for seeking to inform us about the potential dangers of St Johnโ€™s wort.

    You need not say anymore GP. You have done your job.

    It seems stupid to me to use a small portion of a piece of sales literature to seek to prove a point, especially when most of the sales piece point out the dangers of the preparation that can be found everywhere.

    How many doctors in Barbados or North America really prescribe St Johnโ€™s wort?

    I am advised that it is not on the National Formulary


  50. As an average joe myself, I cannot comment on the extent of the use of SJW but what I do glean from the literature of reputable medical authorities e.g. National Institutes of Health of the USA, the American Psychiatric Association etc, is that it is not advisable to self-prescribe St John’s Wort especially if one is taking other medications. It is clear (at least to me) that the probability of adverse effects is high by the standards of the medical profession.

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