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Submitted by Looking Glass

The following is an abbreviated introduction to a study done many moons ago. The study identified and examined some of the major consequences of education and economic development in the Caribbean and the implication for employment in the region. The focus is on Barbados.

The moral origins of western economic institutions, the Protestant Ethic, suggest that the relationship between education and economic development is a question of both formal education and the type of education. Today education is seen as a causal and necessary pre-requisite for economic growth. Indeed the education for development thesis has become so pervasive it is often presented as, or taken to be a panacea for development.

In upholding the goodness of education economists have been quick to point out the positive aspects of expenditures on education and training. Emphasis is given to the causal effects of individuals and groups. In addition some writers argue that poor countries in the process of economic development invest too little on education relative to what they invest in purely economic activities.

While economists emphasize the quantitative aspects other social scientists focus mainly on the qualitative aspects. In addition to being a necessity for economic growth, education is presented as a crucial factor in the formation of required values, an explanation for success and or failure, a decisive factor in social mobility, the creation of new elites, a conditioning factor of democracy and its subsistence as a viable system. Thus stated, it is almost inevitable that education should become omnipresent and an unquestionable element in the rhetoric of development: a panacea for developing countries.

However, at the societal level, the quality of goodness attributed to education rests on certain assumptions about structure, patterns of wealth distribution and economic capability. These assumptions neglect that fact conflict obtains where education is perceived from the individual rather than the societal perspective. The two perspectives are not the same or identical. Where the intention is one of national development as opposed to purely economic growth then education must be rationalised accordingly. If the aspirations and occupational expectations of those with education are at variance with the manpower needs and occupational opportunities of the country then conflict is likely to obtain.

The dichotomy of the world into developed and developing states raises the possibility that theories, methods and intellectual positions need not be identical, or for that matter characteristically similar. Yet explicitly or implicitly, the notion of a given path to development prevails. Stage models, for example, suggest the path to development to be unilinear, that the means and goals are both given and universal. However, it does not follow that the means (resources, conditions and historical circumstance) that facilitated the development are similar or the same for all countries or are available in developing countries. The notion of sameness in the development process is at an ethnocentric and misplaced one. History cannot be replicated.

If we conceptualise the development of the developing countries in the context of the โ€œFirst world,โ€ then development becomes predicated on transference rather than transformation. If on the other hand development is conceptualized in terms of their โ€œbackwardnessโ€ then it can be understood in the context of an interrelationship between two โ€œworlds,โ€ and subordinated to the power of those who control the world market and means of production.

This phenomenon appears to be a characteristic of many countries in the region, and is exacerbated by the dynamics of demography and resource limitations. It is a situation seldom recognized by politicians and planners both of whom neglect the importance of structure and external influence. Consequently, education leaves certain social problems unsolved, introduces new problems, and may well become a problem in itself

The aspirations of the Commonwealth Caribbean nations are but an updated translation of the ideals of western developed nations. The development ideally espoused is people oriented and has as its goal a distributive rather than a developmental revolution. Education is accorded many functions: alleviation of poverty, enhancement of economic growth, facilitation of mass mobility, socio-political stability—- and create the โ€œnew Caribbean man.โ€ Thus education becomes political and must resocialize and also resocialize its citizens. But despite programmes of education and โ€œindustrializationโ€ high rates of educated underemployment and unemployment exist. Mobility appears restricted to some movement within the middle and between the lower and middle classes.

The islands are in many ways dissimilar. Barbados one of the smallest the smallest (166 square miles) and a population of about 260,000 has about the third largest population density in the world. The agro-merchant and tourism dependant economy has a meagre manufacturing and export base and is terribly short of natural resources. There is no capital goods sector to even facilitate the productive capacity of the domestic market. Sugar, the major export is dependant on preferential treatment. Tourism, sugar and the service industry present limited opportunities for educated labour.

The value system stresses not success per se but education as the key to success. Its secondary school system is reputed to be one of the best in the world, and education from primary to tertiary level is free. However, in an era of global economic buoyance the country is faced with rising deficits, debt, high rates of underemployment/ unemployment and the export of manpower. As it stands the university will likely be turning out more graduates than the economy can effectively absorb.

To grow is to โ€œincrease naturally in size by the addition of material through assimilation or accretion.โ€ To develop is to โ€œexpand or realize the potential ofโ€ฆto bring naturally to a fuller, greater or better state.โ€ When something grows it gets bigger; when it develops it gets better. The resources at our disposal are not finite. We are not competitive. Pending changes in world trade etc, recessions and or downturns in the world and the North American economy on which the region depends will limit our sustainable growth and development. In this context economic growth and development are unlikely to equalize earning opportunity for the educated as well as raise the average level of economic welfare.

Conclusion: the dominant/subordinate nature of interchange and polarization of education and job opportunities reflect the influence of the socio-economic structure and that of education in the region, and are rendered onerous and inadequate by the incidence of demography. Education needs to be rationalised to the socio-economic capability of the country. Until radical changes occur internally and in the pattern of external relations

the notion of education as an indispensable factor for generalised mobility and economic development will likely remain an elusive dream. The supply of graduates will continue to exceed demand.


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53 responses to “Social Implications Of Education And Economic Development”


  1. Our education system is more a tool for socialisation than one for economic growth. It is like a trough to an animal; once you eat from the trough you don’t need to hunt.

    The problem is that the food in the trough is toxic, so you either eat fast and die young or refuse to eat and go and hunt; assuming that you are not also imprisoned and have no choice but to eat the food.

    One thing when it comes to looking at the human resource needs and skills, the need for self-employment is overlooked.


  2. A very deep analysis.

    To be quite honest we have not heard or read this level submission in the current discussion about education.

    Required reading for stakeholders.


  3. David

    The article was submitted by Looking Glass but who or what is the source?


  4. BU accept Looking Glass as the source unless otherwise informed.


  5. Our self-employment needs are easy to analyse. We know how many doctors we need to service a population of 270,000, we know how many nurses. Do we know how many barbers? What about gardeners? What about mechanics? Graphic artists? musicians and entertainers?

    These career choices are all left to fend for themselves. A fella find he has a skill and uses it. So that is why we have problems with so much competition in what are seen as lucrative areas. Maybe out of this came the minibus culture. There is no order or no certainty when it comes to employment or choice of career. Let me say that careers as barbers, gardeners, mechanics can be very lucrative.

    However, where can you go to learn to be any of these or even a minibus driver? What about a retailer, where can one go to learn to run one’s own business? Where are these businesses studied so that they come with a level of professionalism?

    An example of a bad trend is that we feel that people with very little education can start their food businesses but let me say that an uneducated cook can be very dangerous; and when I say uneducated, I mean when it comes to nutrition, sanitation and health standards. Also the chemistry; what foods should not mix in a meal, etc. More important is the fact that we are not looking after the nutrition of the nation.

    It is the same with any profession. We are leaving too much to chance.


  6. If Looking Glass wishes to take the level of discussion to the point where Bush Tea has to type with a dictionary nearby, well so be it….LOL

    Normally when we speak of ‘Education’ in Barbados on BU, we are talking about those matters which fall under the purview of the Ministry of Education. By taking the discussion to the conceptual level of education however, LG needed to commence with a number of definitions in my bushy opinion.

    As an example, contrary to ROK’s position on self-employment IMHO, fundamentally, ‘education’ has no real role in preparing children for any such work – neither servitude or self employment. Such a process would be better termed Training, coaching, recruiting or even brain washing.

    Education in my opinion, at the conceptual level, is purely about putting an individual into a position where that person has the tools and capability to make choices out of life’s various options. I suggest therefore that education is a purely human concept, and that the requirements for a basic education would therefore be:
    1 A working human brain and an awareness of self
    2 Exposure to the vagaries of life and living
    3 A knowledge of the various possibilities (through experience, history, observation etc)
    4 A vision of a desired future

    An ‘uneducated’ person clearly becomes an unavoidable victim of circumstances. On the other hand, an educated person is one who is equipped with the tools required to make their own personal choices – even if, due to other challenges, they too become victims of circumstances, or make wrong choices, or just sit around and talk all day….
    Consider for example that we cannot ever ‘educate’ an animal – although we can train / coach / brainwash most animals to perform numerous duties successfully.

    If we can agree on a definition in line with my above position, then it would be an interesting exercise to analyze what we currently have in Barbados and indeed, what we should have….


  7. This is a well written article. One problem- economists who are engaged in development and not merely manipulating equations also recognize the social value of education.


  8. @BT

    You complaining about LG but look how you gone and take the discussion up top.

    Agree with you to a point i.e. education is about putting people in a position to make choices but…

    As individuals our navel strings are tied to the national economy. The managers (government) of the national economy have limited resources to pay the bills. To generate the resources to pay the bills the managers of the national economy must enable the environment to ensure a relevant pool of skills is available in the country to sustain and grow GDP. Using this simple logic the government must allocate (distribute) scare resources to education i.e. primary, secondary, tertiary, vocational etc.

    Maybe BT you can take it from here. How can a government not plan how skills are to be developed while accepting your comment above.


  9. “The supply of graduates will continue to exceed demand.”

    Send some up hey.

    Canada plans to accept between 240,000 and 265,000 new permanent residents immigrants in 2010, the same number of immigrants as in recent years. In 2010, Canada will again welcome more new permanent residents than the average annual intake during the 1990s.


  10. The above article leaves a great lot to be desired. Academically scientifically its overall quaility is substandard and unsatisfactory. A very keen and insightful reader of it will certainly be unceremoniously lost along the way. Here are some reasons why the academic writing style is of such an incoherent and unstructured type, and is of such a miserably poor quality, that it will impact or take away from such a organized reader’s attempt to properly absorb the basic content of the article, inspite of the use of technocist jargon and terminology.

    So here we go:-

    1) The person behind the psuedonym – Looking Glass – has failed to make mention of the title of the “study” for which future academic reference could be possible.

    2) The person behind the psuedonym – Looking Glass -has also failed terribly to tell fellow commenters exactly when this “study” was done and by whom. While he or she claims that this “study” was done many moons ago ( 100 year ago?, 50 years ago? 25 years ago?), there is written evidence contained in the above article that different aspects of this “same study” were covering for many many different moons – one at a time – over a very long period. For instance, the writer attributes to this study – the notion of the dichotomy of world into developed and developing states……. Surely, those two simplistic typologies were NOT academically the best ways of helping classify the developmental statuses of countries, at any time, say, within the cold war era, esp. Yet the writer attributes to this study use of the term – First World – in paragraph 7, out of the “other worlds” there were supposedly. Clearly this “study” would have had many definitional contextual problems surrounding it!!!

    Furthermore, critically analyse the following and see that it places the Barbados economy in a cold war GATT LOME CONVENTION era too: The agro-merchant and tourism DEPENDENT economy has a meagre manufacturing and export base and is terribly short of natural resources. There is no capital goods sector to even facilitate the productive capacity of the domestic market. Sugar, THE MAJOR EXPORT is dependant on PREFERENTIAL treatment. Tourism, sugar and the service industry present limited opportunities for educated labour.

    3) This person has also failed to say that there was or was NOT a report done as part of the “study”, and in which findings were made and submitted to whomsoever – as any serious credible study would do. The question must be asked as to whether there were any findings contained in it to be implemented by anyone anywhere?

    4) He or she has failed to refer to whether or not there was a guiding conceptual or theoritical framework( liberal/conservative) behind the “study”, and has failed to identify any scientific or psuedo-scientific methodologies or data collecting assessing techniques supposedly used in this “study” – in the context of this “study” purportedly having looked at some of the major consequences of education and economic development in the Caribbean and the implications for employment in the region, with a focus on Barbados.

    5) There are NO CITATIONS OF or REFERENCES MADE TO ANY CREDIBLE INFORMATION SOURCES (primary/secondary) what so ever in support of many of the arguments, theses, hypotheses, claims, etc. Thus, this article is pure prose and narrative – dull and insipid!!

    6) There is no statistical or non-statistical evidence (direct) that is used throughout the article in support of any thing – evidence of causality or correlationship or in changes in relationships between named variables, etc. – even though the writer writes: “Today education is seen as a causal and necessary pre-requisite for economic growth.”, “Emphasis is given to the causal effects of individuals and groups”.

    This is so appalling and reprehensible esp. for an article that deals with such elaborate subjects and issues; that makes such sweeping generalizations; and that claims to be the basis of a study.

    6) The above article massively fails to show how relevant the “study” and any of its relatives is, if so, to the functioning of present-day many societies within this supposedly homogenous Caribbean region and to their own development, viz-a-viz, et al, the argument that some writers argue that poor countries ( is Barbados a poor country?) in the process of economic development invest too little on education relative to what they invest in purely economic activities.

    7) There is nothing in the above article that shows that the “study” was seeking to build or improve on any such previous categories of studies, or that shows that it was seeking to establish – via other contrasting studies – whether, or even why, education and so-called economic development could NOT have been contributing to much of the social material decline that many countries would have been experiencing in their overall development within the Caribbean region – at the time this said “study” was done.

    8) The writer of the above article refers to the education for development thesis – which seems to be the most important idea surrounding the article – but fails to report on such – what is this really? Does it really exist? Who created it though, if it exists? In which country or countries does it apply?

    9) The above article submitted by the person clearly does NOT demarcate where his/her own preface begins from as different from when the perceived uncited extractions from this “study” supposedly start – so as to avoid possible reader confusion over where in the article is the introduction starting and heading to after the first paragraph – say, from the subjective to the objective, from the general to the specific, throughout.

    10) All of the above points – 1 to 9 – point to the fact that this article was NOT based on any serious study – a study of which too shows up the fallacy of this writer’s claims to this “study” being done many moons ago when in truth and fact there was no real objective scientific study carried out in the first place – (see in the second last paragraph – lines 4 and 5 – the comments: the resources at OUR disposal are not finite. WE are not competitive) on some of the major consequences of education and economic development on the Caribbean and the implication for employment in the region.

    Furthermore, the writer of this column seems to have a proclivity to make some persons on this blog believe that he or she is some kind of intellectual academic of some standing stature weight – even though it is clear that there is sufficient corroborating evidence from this and other articles that he/she has submitted on here that patently proves otherwise. What an intellectual joker!!

    And what an assemblage of half-baked half-raw mishmash mixed with a cocktail of fact and fiction that BU has got for a lead article!! How stupendous!!. How this article has got through to be published as a lead article, we dont know, but GOD help our society if this confusion emerges out of the mind of a person who holds a lofty position in this country or aspires to do so well beyond his or her intellectual philosophic capacity.

    PDC


  11. You see, BT, education includes training, coaching and brainwashing (socialisation). The school is not just about schoolwork, even in it most inefficient and ineffective form, it is about decorum, it is about discipline, manners, etc. As a matter of fact, I have seen some schools pay more attention to discipline and decorum than on schoolwork, if you measure the time taken with all.

    Of course, at the 11+ level, I have heard of teachers speak about coaching their students in maths, etc… but a most important question, why do you think that coaching an animal is not educating it? An animal in the jungle will learn all the ins and outs of the jungle and will pass on this to their offspring.

    I am not in this thing about education being a human thing. Education is about all activity, not just human activity and any brain capacity that can assimilate the information can be educated to the level of education it can assimilate. What we have done is taken the word within the context of socialisation to make it an elitist or formalised term.

    Many educators cannot agree on the meaning of education, i.e. purpose and function. However, the one meaning that can be agreed on is that education is simply about the transfer and use of knowledge. How you do that is merely a manner of format; training, coaching, teaching, experience, etc.

    To consign education merely to “higher learning” is not the kind of function that we want if we are speaking about development, because one can have an entire education in any subject matter, including being a cook, barber, gardener or mechanic.


  12. Actually David, my point is not that Government should not plan such details as those detailed by ROK, but rather that these are mundane issues in relation to the concept of education.
    It is rather like employing MME to cut canes. (a waste of a valuable tool – ROTFL)

    One of our problems in Barbados is that we have, as a result of such thinking, gone too far in expecting that by spending millions producing people like MME, we will get better results in harvesting cane. Like most things, this relationship is not linear as we get increasingly diminishing returns after a while.

    As ROK says, we can provide training opportunities so that our best talents are channeled into the needed areas of society. This is done relatively cheaply by institutions like the polytechnic, BCC (of which Pommarine is a class example of effective training) etc.

    For real education however, maybe we need to look beyond our schools, colleges and university to find the REAL institutions that frame the education of our people.
    I suggest that if we wish to influence education at the conceptual level, then we will need to become much more assertive as a country in influencing the mass media entities of the country – and indeed of the world nowadays…..

    It is, bush tea suggests, people like ‘John Doe’, ‘Indian’ and ‘Lil Rick’ who largely control what is important to our young people, and how they learn to think and decide. To the extent that we leave this component of our national education to these and similar ‘professionals’, – we should not be surprised at the results that we are seeing……

    …..and as the the level of the blog, it is not the bushman’s fault, I am merely following in the path set by LG….. besides GP like he gone long and MME hiding from the eggs… so what else to do???? lol


  13. @BT

    Thanks for the clarification, looks like we are on the same page.

    @PDC

    If you can demonstrate that LG is a plagiarist do it, if not simply take LG at his word.


  14. @ ROK

    Let us decide if we are speaking in simplistic terms or if, following the level set by Looking Glass, we are looking at this thing conceptually. This is why the bush man started with an attempt at a definition.

    How can you say that education is about simple transfer of knowledge? If i give you a CD on thermodynamics does that educate you? Is a cat ‘educated’ because its mother taught it to hunt?

    Now Training can be about a simple transfer of knowledge. If I show a student the correct method to cut a sugar cane – that is training!

    ‘Education’ would be achieved by taking that student to the point where, based on available data, his own talents, his vision of his future etc, he is in a position to decide if there is a better way to cut the cane, if he even wants to be in the cane business, ..etc

    This is much more than ‘transferring knowledge’ it is about unleashing the ability to THINK, DECIDE, and DO.

    ….see if you can’t grasp the difference ROK…


  15. This not a well written article! It is cliched and pompous. Bush Tea has much more provocatively and in simpler language with far fewer words laid out the “dichotomy” between training and education. Much criticism about “education” should really be termed criticism about “schooling” which is only the formal institutionalized side of a person’s education.

    Parents are advised to pursue all opportunities to educate their children. Such opportunities include helping in and around the home, developing good personal habits (punctuality, neatness, observation, good manners, proper eating habits etc), skill development (cooking, kitchen gardening, looking after a pet, mending clothes, maintenance of car, bicycle, lawn mower, radio etc), information processing (reading the newspaper, news magazines and journals, books (the library on Independence Square has been nicely set up)), sports, joining service clubs (scouts, possibly cadets, guides, key clubs, 4H etc). As adults we should commit to lifelong learning by investing some time and money in continually enriching their lives by pursuing hobbies, participation in social groups and attending continuing education relevant to our work. This is by no means an exhaustive list but just examples to get us thinking.

    Just an anecdote to highlight some of the problems young people face. Recently a friend of mine called me up bemoaning his son’s choice of intended career. The boy wants to be a …..chef!

    “but that is for girls” said the father. “Why can’t he be a doctor?”

    I can’t imagine why someone living in Barbados (where tourism is the number one foreign exchange earner) would want to be a chef. I don’t think there are any Bajan executive chefs working in Barbados. Shouldn’t that say something? What is that boy thinking .. what chef what?!


  16. @Anonymous

    Why get bogged down in stylistics? LG’s style of writing should bve familiar to BU by now.

    On another note Sir Hilary and Minister Jones should be weary of what can happen when we dub-down the education system.

    Retroactive Grade Inflation – NYTimes.com
    By CATHERINE RAMPELL

    Apparently in response to the poor job market for law school grads, one school is trying to give its students a boost: retroactive grade inflation.

    Loyola Law School of Los Angeles is increasing all grades by a third, so that โ€œwhat previously was a B- would be a B, what previously was a B would be a B+, and so forth,โ€ according to a deanโ€™s memo published by Above the Law. It also applies to grades already earned, so that the grade-point average of every student will automatically increase by .333.

    Far be it for me to judge a schoolโ€™s grading policy, but I have a feeling employers are capable of seeing through this ploy and resetting their expectations accordingly. And it certainly does nothing to help the race to the bottom (err, race to the top?) among schools all trying to make their alumni stand out with higher grades. In the end, it probably turns out to be a wash, with everybody receiving meaninglessly high grades and feeling disappointed and demoralized by the lack of competitive advantage they were promised.

    Think of it this way: If everybody wears increasingly high high-heels, no one looks tall, but everybodyโ€™s feet hurt.

    This inability for institutions to cooperate is a classic problem in economics. In theory it could be solved by having some sort of authoritative entity mandate cooperation and a revaluation of the grading โ€œcurrency.โ€ But alas, no such regulatory body exists to control this particular type of inflation.

    In the mean time, there is little incentive for schools to unilaterally enforce stricter grading standards (or, for that matter, just keep their grading curve steady, as demonstrated by Loyola Law School). Princeton tried unilateral grade deflation a few years ago, hoping that its efforts would inspire peer schools to get tough as well. But no other school as yet has followed its lead, and tigers are still whining that they think the policy is hurting their job prospects.


  17. It is a superb submission and details many challenges that those in political and econmic leadership in Barbados need to desperately understand. Most compelling is the comment that the tourism industry and other key industries in Barbados cannot absorb the educated masses of bajans (I have been saying this for years). Yet our policy and economic development leaders continue the same old pratices of a tourism focused ecomony.

    What will it take for us as a nation to abandon inherited colonial based servatude thinking and embrace new ideas on how best to leverage the educated masses we have in Barbados to move our economy forward on a better footing. It’s is as simply as identifying viable emerging markets/industries that fit the Barbados demographics and incentivizing them to bring jobs to Barbados, other nations are doing this and so should we.

    The daily inner fighting in the Barbados Parliment is doing nothing more that distracting government from the real mission at hand. And believe me does benefiting from this inability to rethink our long term economic approach are happy to see the BS going on.

    The ministry of economic development should be spending time out of barbados bringing jobs to Barbados vs attending a rack of meaningless promo for the servatude industries in Barbados.

    I can go on and on but I wouldnt, I will continue to pray for wisdom in our elected leadership and a bright economic future for my beloved Barbados.

  18. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    Brillance from PDC

    What can I say
    I am actually beginning to like PDC


  19. David,

    A charge of plagiarism may be too strong.

    However, what we are here arguing is that the person behind the above article starkly failed to meet certain greater academic scientific standards in producing the said article itself which – as it is right now – based on some supposed study done many moons ago – does NOT stand up to serious academic rigour and scrutiny.

    Part of the criticism of this article is in response to the the writer’s expectation that the article has to be seen by many commenters as a dose of academic scientifism and therefore has to be evaluated and judged by them in that manner.

    But the writer has fallen way way short in that regard.

    Once any one is able to shift through the technocist jargon and terminology, they would see that the article is essentially a piss poor mediocre piece of writing simply as that!!!

    Surely, we have seen far better lead articles of a higher academic scientific purport on BU. For instance, some couple weeks ago – Hermeneutics and Exegesis by Gorgie Porgie;
    “In the name of God” – Just and Holy Wars; Where the Innocent die and the Guilty go free by Mr. Terrence Farrrell, among others.

    Finally, what does criticising the loose unorganized substandard academic writing related to the above lead article have to do with our having to take Looking Glass at his word, David? Tell us?

    PDC


  20. “”””FIRE”””””

    Thank You. Thanks for the comment.

    PDC


  21. @ PDC

    Bush Tea can’t really believe wanna PDC people though….

    When did BU become an academic journal? When did PDC become literary critics? When did this blog become your political piece????

    Don’t mind FIRE yuh… he running wanna in a BLP trap. He only like wanna post ’cause it did not end with ‘Down with the ******* BLP….’ LOL

    Listen men!

    BU is a public forum created by David to facilitate the expression of ideas by all and sundry. If Looking Glass chose to use some big words and fancy cliches – dat is his style.
    …. i already complain that wanna posts does be too looonnnngg – and wanna fellows ain’t pay the bushman any mind.
    Dat is wanna right! …. and it is my right to skip dum!

    Try and ease up off Looking Glass. Respond to the position presented at face value, criticize the IDEAS presented – or skip it…..

    As soon as David start entertaining this kind of stylistic criticism we will scare off those who may be uncomfortable with the technical niceties of writing….but who may have great ideas.

    …of course, bushmen don’t have to live up to such standards…..so…

    Down with the DLP; Bug off the BLP; and Pee ‘pon the PDC
    LOL


  22. @BT

    Interesting. Do we educate people to think or do we train people to think? I think that learning to think is not synonymous with education. In that case an animal can think.

    I think you place too much on education, which cannot replace the human function “to think”. One can be trained to think in a particular way, there is no education that teaches people to think (per se); you are either born with it or you are not. Same with the animal, you can train an animal to think in a particular way.

    If you give me a CD on a subject, yes it can educate me on that subject, maybe not on other things. Courses on many subjects are available on CD. Not sure what you are saying here?? However, if I indulge you in the absurd, giving me a CD is not transferring knowledge if I don’t know how to use a computer or have none.

    The manner in which we use the term education and within the context of trying to move to a level of economic independence through development, it is not possible for the Ministry of Education to confine itself to “higher learning”.

    Neither is it possible for us to accept that level of definition in a struggling/vulnerable economy; given the level of imports, the lack of exports and the struggle to repatriate minds; buy local, etc.

    Now I say all the above knowing one thing. Our students are not trained to think to their benefit. Yet you are prepared to call it education in the face of your own definition and criteria. Are you thinking? LOL! Do you consider yourself educated? Were you taught to think? Or is it that you were taught/trained to think in a particular way? You were born thinking, man and if you are not thinking now, it means that somebody sabotaged your mind.


  23. Man, BT, You real wicked though. LOL!


  24. ” Education “, using that loosely, is about enlightenment for me not confinement. Sometimes i think that our system of teaching is restrictive and confining, correct me if i am mistaken. How many people come out of school at the higher level thinking differently from each other that anyone can speak of on a serious level. Don’t most come out thinking, ” get a job, make money, buy a car and house” and the buck stops there. What other ideas or perspectives really ome out of our institutions that are not shot down or killed by someone who may not ” want someone else to go a different path”. Why do we have a situation where the are sooooo many business degree holders in the world yet the have no clue what to do in business outside of hope the work for someone the rest of there lives, would have thought we might have had more business.
    The education system, while it is valuable in establishing the ground structure and some of the frame work, it does not provide or entice a means to put on a roof, add some windows and pave the driveway. simply put, it does not encourage people to go beyond and that is very much reflected in our society today.
    Consider, where have we as humans gone in the last 20 years, are we stagnated or just getting by because being creative has become arduous. What has been invented that has really had a societal impact?? Do not mention the internet nor face book or any of the technological gadgets that exist cause really only the cellular phone has been revolutionary. We still farm yet we are producing less in terms of scale, make more money but can’t afford anymore than if we did not have any in the first place, so where are we really going when we say to people, get a degree……


  25. Bush Tea,

    We saw it coming Bushie!!

    We knew that within the space of a couple blogs that you would have had something to say about our criticisms of Looking Glass’s LOOSE UNORGANIZED SUBSTANDARD ACADEMIC WRITING re the above lead article, in order to provoke a response from us.

    Well, okay, we will treat you to a response – the first and last though, that will be directed to you under this thread – as you ought know by now we are NOT into blogging.

    Notwithstanding that it does seem right now too that you want to do the most running on here from pillar to post, from thread to thread, with your nicely outstanding, short laconic comments. Darn, have it your way, Bushie!!

    However, it is clear that when it came to a response from you to us, you “stumbled with the baton and yourself to the ground”, through your own intellectual hastiness or fatigue, in that, you have either intentionally unwittingly recklessly carelessly or otherwise sought – albeit unsuccessfully – to distort detract from what we have been saying here about Looking Glass’s bid – NOT our bid – to come across as a learned academician social scientist – something which he has clearly massively failed to do, never mind that he is NOT – as judged from the last article and some other previous ones.

    But, what, Bushie, we are aphabetically saying here – and let us repeat for the last time under this thread – as we help you back up too – is that “the person behind the above article starkly failed to meet certain greater academic scientific standards in producing the said article itself which โ€“ as it is right now โ€“ based on some supposed study done many moons ago โ€“ does NOT stand up to serious academic rigour and scrutiny”.

    And let us say too – and for the ultimate time – that part of the PDC’s criticism of this article is in response to the writerโ€™s expectation that the article has to be seen by many commenters as a dose of academic scientifism and therefore has to be evaluated and judged by them in that manner”.

    “But the writer has fallen way way short in that regard”.

    And Bushie, we are certainly NOT going to waste any time and energy dealing with any of the red ERRings you so intentionally, unwittingly, recklessly, carelessly interposed in your above blog – 2 April, 2010, 7.24 pm

    So, Adieu, Bushie!!

    Got to catch a plane!!

    PDC


  26. What happen ROK? you miss GP or what?

    You are ‘straining out a gnat’ and swallowing a camel in the process. Think about it carefully ROK…. because you evidently did not stay at a Holiday Inn recently…

    Do you really understand the concept of ‘thinking’?

    Is this not a complex process where someone combines
    1 – general data that is available in their environment;
    2 with experiential data that is generally colored by their own personal perspectives, their own life history, etc;
    3 with their own vision of what the future could and should be
    4 with an assessment of possible outcomes and consequences
    5 and hopefully with the potential impact on others.

    Then decides on a preferred course of action
    Then ACTS to implement the planned action
    Then checks progress and make adjustments as required

    What train what animal to think what??!!

    Are you admitting that you cannot see the difference between this complex, human capability and the mere concept of ‘training’ where one acquires knowledge, skills and competencies to perform specific duties?
    ….any donkey can acquire the knowledge, skills and competencies to do an excellent job – even a complex job…… but donkeys are notorious for their inability to THINK.

    We tend to take things like this for granted, but the real wickedness of slavery for example, was our ancestor’s inability to ‘think’ due to a lack of ‘education’ – even though some of them were well trained to perform certain roles.

    If you still don’t get this- may be we should just agree to disagree.

    To me, educating our youth is therefore a complex and critical duty, which as Anonymous so eloquently put it above, involves numerous processes that we tend to neglect.

    Essentially, true education then requires:

    * Creating a positive, assertive self image in the student

    * accumulating in the student a knowledge of the past; of consequences to actions; of long-term results that accrue to certain deeds etc

    * Developing a dream or vision for a personal desired future in the student

    * instilling and developing the self confidence to change thought into action

    * instilling and practicing the determination to overcome obstacles, failure and setbacks.

    etc.

    Can you see now why our schools are ineffective?


  27. Have a safe flight PDC

    Thanks for the response. I especially like the part about the Red herrings being “intentionally, unwittingly, recklessly, carelessly interposed” in the blog by Bush Tea…..

    LOL
    …..some of those adjectives are mutually exclusive – I hope wanna know….!?


  28. @BT

    Do you see a link between thinking and behaviour? Do you also see this as apart from the ability to think?


  29. @BT

    I come to the conclusion that you are a student of political socialisation. You see that formidable list you have there calling education? That is a recipe full of western rhetoric.

    I can see with Anonymous’ definition above.


  30. @Bush Tea
    On your above diatrab on ThINKING. a person must be able to process all of these functions in order to think.Is that what you are saying?


  31. @ ROK

    What is this you asking the Bushman now? Obviously there is a big link between thinking and behaviour. And clearly, the inability to think impacts seriously (and negatively) on behaviour.
    This is in fact the geneses of our problems with development, youth, crime etc.

    Thinking is a critical skill that required careful development and nourishment, it deserves significant investment by society – and this process is what I am calling ‘education’.

    What we are spending hundreds of millions every years on is largely ‘training’…. or more correctly, schooling.
    …and it is NOT working.

    But here is the joke…..

    A proper, effective ‘education’ system would cost only a fraction of what we are currently spending…. look at anonymous’ points again….

    @ ROK
    With respect to “I come to the conclusion that you are a student of political socialisation.”

    You are about as correct in that conclusion as you are about training an animal to think.

    What political socialisation what??!!
    ….. I told you already that Bush Tea is one of BBE boys…….


  32. @ AC

    Obviously there is ‘thinking’ and there is ‘thinking!’

    If I told you that a batsman needs to master a number of factors effectively in order to bat well, you would understand that I am saying that “in order to be a top quality batsman” one would need to master as many of the points as possible.

    ….we would also know that there are ‘batsmen’ like Simmons…
    I suppose that anyone with a bat in hand is a batsman – but like the WI team -who dey going beat….?


  33. @ ROK
    You see that formidable list you have there calling education? That is a recipe full of western rhetoric.

    I can see with Anonymousโ€™ definition above.
    **********************************************************************************************
    Man ROK, BT saying the same thing as anonymous, it is just that the bushman trying to sound ‘academic’ so that PDC don’t put some more lashes in my behind…..

    ….you see how the point numbered and thing….. and how it got in some big words….
    I may send um to Sir Hillary yuh!


  34. My brother in the USA once told me of a TV program where they commented on the educational claims of Barbados and the analysis was that education was by rote. You can teach students to acquire knowledge, but both the educators and students have to realise that the knowledge gained has to be seen as basic and that it’s a toolbox to be used to not only be competent in their field of endeavour, but they must possess the motivation to push beyond, it needs drive and imagination.
    What seems to be lacking is that motivation. Contrasting the results of of education Ireland and Singapore, two countries that were the subject of study by Caribbean governments – Development in small island economies – what is patently obvious is that Caribbean universities churn out graduates unable to think out of the box – so there is not a sizeable number of them capable of creative thinking. The people I have worked with in Ireland, people from India and Singapore see their education as the springboard for higher things and not just a way to a highly paid and stagnant career, they acquire and expand the pool of knowledge.
    On a daily basis I keep in touch with developments in many fields and the one noticeable feature is the total lack of input from the Caribbean. I can see the forums with lots of input from Singapore, India, Australia, Europe, South America, USA and elsewhere, but nothing from anyone in the Caribbean.
    Take Brazil and Mexico where university graduates have built companies, some sold for hundreds of millions of US dollars, starting out with a simple personal computer and at most $1,000. Everybody praises Bill Gates and helped in some small way to make him filthy rich. Then there is Linus Torvalds from Finalnd who started a revolution in computer software with the stated intention that anyone with a PC and an internet connection could download the operating system, assist in development of it and build a business around it, see RedHat (www.redhat.com), Google, Ubuntu in South Africa, Facebook, all who have built successful businesses based on Linux, the operating system developed by Linus Torvalds and the mass of developers worldwide that have joined him. Novell, IBM, Hewlett Packard, Disney, Boeing, USPS and many many more have capitalised on Linux in a big way. It’s free as in beer, but few or no drinkers in the Caribbean.
    I think it is due to a culture of dependency and even here in UK we see undertones.
    As an example, we advertised widely throughout the UK for applicants to form a team working under a senior engineer. We just couldn’t afford to hire more high salaried experienced engineers to undertake some of the basic work, so we advertised widely – high basic salary, a company car and free fuel, training in Ireland and the USA, private medical insurance for self and family, hotels and expenses when working away. They were to assemble our large computer systems under supervision of the senior engineer with seniors and specialists to do the technical stuff for handover to our customers.
    One day my manager came into my office with a quizzical look on his face and asked me if I knew why there was not one black applicant for the jobs.
    To that question I had no answer.
    In the 25 years I worked for the company, only 4 blacks worked for the company worldwide and all in quite senior technical positions, the 4 were Solomon, Carlton, a Jamaican Bertie all based in California and my good self in Europe – a miniscule number for a corporation with thousands of employees worldwide and billions in revenue.


  35. @BUSH TEA

    Obviously there is “Thinking and thinking”At this point I think you are TANKING.


  36. @ Sid
    Your brother was correct.
    Our education system is based on the concept of training students to “think as they are told.” Those with excellent memory or willing to learn the ‘answers’ by dint of hard work are our ‘national scholars.’

    The 0.1% who are naturally brilliant and innovative get kicked out of school at age 16 because they are ‘too rebellious’ (won’t repeat the ‘correct’ answers/ lost in their dream world/ disruptive/ troublesome etc)

    Most of these have now become ‘ZR’ men and DJ’s.

    The ZR men operate a rogue transport system at a legislated rate that was inadequate in 1980 and has not been increased since; -with unreasonable, punitive taxes; and under constant harassment from police, the driving public and a Mr.Tony Marshall …. They break all he ‘rules’ set by the ‘educated’ establishment, provide a service that in unparalleled to their customers; and piss off everyone else on the island.
    …. by the way, they make a profit somehow….. while the Government uses taxpayers dollars to subside the national transport board to the tune of millions of dollars each year

    The DJ’s are kings of the airways. Our school children hang on their every word, follow their every fete (starting at midnight) and know every word of every song that they play…..
    Great stuff…. no one can figure out why everything is mixed up.

    In your case in Ireland (and Singapore) your education systems are much better at producing creative thinkers and innovators who have done very well…… but are you aware that this creative brilliance have led to a good understanding of what life is all about and what TRUE success in life entails? Is the global downturn not as big a headache to your super successful innovators as it is to our mendicant lot?

    Maybe we are in similar boats in the final analysis.


  37. wow, i am pleased.


  38. The inability of our education to produce critical thinkers is manifested every day in our lack of developing the areas which would lead to national development and sustainability. Why is it after all these years we have not seen our people see the opportunity to build on Professor Headley’s work in solar emery for example? This is what we mean when we talk thinking. Instead Barbadians continue to churn out the management grads who are happy to get the clerical type job which allows them to command the mortgage and the car. Why is it we are producing citizens who are contented to buy into foreign cultures instead of repelling it with their own brand? Why is it we are not producing the Barbadian who sees the need to demand a greater level of accountability from our officials and institutions? Good examples our politians, utilities, retailers etc.


  39. I am compelled to share an observation. Each response to this article from PDC and others totally missed the point. As a technology professional, this is a blog and not subject to the academic rigor you would find at uwi. Let’s focus on the key points made and actions needed on the subject at hand.

    Before the blog responses could get going the series of mindless distractions from real dialogue was disappointing, and exactly what is done in parliment daily. You can’t claim to be a new party in Barbados and approach issues in the same BS manner.

    Many of the responses also prove that bajans don’t have a clue about how to transform education into dollars and cents.

    There is such a thing as being so smart you actually become stupid… Quite a bit of that going on with the haters to this article.

  40. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    sometimes the comments on this blog are not ”””FIRED UP””” at all

  41. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    ”””FIRE”””

    Once again , I AM NOT ANY BLP anything
    I am for BARBADOS.
    Why cant I have a view without being labelled ?
    I am and individual who manage to learn how to read and write and above all else -to listen.
    I want to thank those teachers who I encountered along the journey.
    I want to thank Owen Seymour Arthur for removing the duties from computers so that some people can come on this blog and cuss out the BLP and the DLP.
    I also want to thank Owen Seymour Arthur for getting us out of a hole in 1994—-onwards.
    I remain forever grateful
    Its not about no BLP/DLP .
    If I had to vote now, I would vote –PDC anyhow !

    So there you are, if anything I am an admirer and a future supporter/voter ofthe PDC.—-I LIKE THEIR BRAND OF POLITICS and I like how PDC DEALS with issues on this BLOG.

    Anytime they run a candidate in my area , I will vote for that candidate and that is a public committment.

    I will keep my word.
    Hope this ends the speculation.
    So off of me p-lease !!!!

    ”””FIRE”””

  42. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    WHY DO YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY-‘ I AM YOUNG-I am a young person but…….blah blah blah
    black sheep have you any wool-yes sir yess sir three bags full————–anybody ever study dah song though ?

    this is to young bajan -above


  43. Fire please explain what you are referring to, if it is the choice of name i am using, i could ask you why you chose “””FIRE”””. As to why the say “they are young”, it is more than likely because socially they are classed “youths, youngsters, upstarts and young”. They are never given to the opportunity to simply be accepted as another participant but a youngster in the crowd. In out society age has always impacted the validity of an opinion and more often than not young people are seen as having no experience or little relevance when is comes to putting forth an opinion. Maybe that is of some help to your question, but if not we can discuss further.

    Studied, 3 blind mice as well.

    My name/moniker is simply that, just a name as is FIRE for you.


  44. Fire

    Wasn’t it PM Sandiford while Finance Minister who removed the duties from computers?


  45. FIRE, why do “older folk” always say: “young people………………..” ??
    I think it is very much a societal based application and usage.

  46. ''''''FIRE'''''' Avatar
    ”””FIRE”””

    Owen Seymour Arthur removed all duties from computers———
    yuh mean wunna want to tek way dat from the man too !

    The BLP need to publish their successes


  47. @PDC & Fire

    I actually started off being open minded to the views of the PDC, however my mind is now closed.

    PDC does not represent anything new to Barbados, and appear to be towing the same old academic line of problem solving which is killing Barbados… Education without any practical ideas on how to implement meaningful change is worthless, and a challenge we face with existing bajan leaders.

    Instead of meaningful discussion on the core point of the topic at hand… We were distracted with BS academic formalities…. PDC ya right!!


  48. To the person behind the psuedonym, “”””FIRE”””””

    Thanks for continuing to support us on this BU blog, and do continue to encourage us as we ever so often present our posts on this blog.

    And do, when ever you can too, keep the blog on ”””FIRE””’ on the various issues, as well as do keep many of the commenters on here in check and “on their toes”. You are doing a remarkably great job!!!

    Finally, if you can get a lot more people to see the enormous wisdom behind supporting our PDC, and any other non-traditional people-centered parties, and even getting more Barbadians to become aware of the political leadership roles that they can play in becoming independent candidates in various constituency elections in order to help break the back of this viscious noxious DLP/BLP cycle in the end, and thus to open up greater oportunites for the greater overall advancement of our masses and middle classes in Barbados, it would mean that we in the PDC would undoubtedly value and welcome your efforts most sincerely.

    So “”””FIRE”””,

    So long.

    PDC


  49. There are three very common terms that are linked to each other. They describe particular stages in information handling. They are:

    Input, processing and output.

    You are often asked for a definition of these terms in the exam. Make sure you can explain them.

    Along with a definition, many times you will be asked to draw a diagram to show the stages. It is essential that you learn the diagram, below, along with the direction of information flows. You need to be able to reproduce it exactly.


  50. @ Austin
    please note it should be “toeing the line” *

    (*)=Arguments in the House are often heated. To deter members of opposing parties from attacking each other, two parallel red lines are marked, two sword-lengths apart, on the floor of the house. MPs are expected to stay behind these lines when a speech is in progress.

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