LIB, ur obviously a sensible man, yet silly at the same time!! There’s a world of difference between foreigners staring at you, IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, especially if they’re not used to seeing people of your type before to MOCKING u, IN YOUR OWN country!! Foreigners need to be taught manners!!

@Bimbro
“LIB, ur obviously a sensible man, yet silly at the same time!!”[I take the compliments. I try to stay in touch with my inner child.]

“There’s a world of difference between foreigners staring at you, IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, especially if they’re not used to seeing people of your type before to MOCKING u, IN YOUR OWN country!! Foreigners need to be taught manners!!”[I would disagree. Everyone needs to be taught (good) manners, and nationals do not have a lock on good behaviour. A natural curiosity exists, and perhaps feeling more secure on home soil, the national lets that flow toward a foreigner, while the foreigner may be more reserved towards a national. But your accepting it from someone on their home turf leads me to recall some of your comments about the English in England and their attitudes towards blacks (many of whom are now not immigrants, but are still in a big minority). On manners, I have just seen another of your comments on a different thread ( Bimbro // August 10, 2009 at 3:40 AM: what does ‘teacing blackness’ or indeed ‘teaching whiteness, etc’, consist of? How about just teaching our children to be decent, worthwhile, human being! Teaching blackness! U mean, teaching them how to commit another genocide, as in Rwanda, etc?). That seems to suggest that all people should be treated with respect and that home soil should not be taken as the basis for justifying abuse to others from abroad. You also point to a consequence of racial or ethnic intolerance that has grave consequences (in every sense). So, are these lessons you utter or are they lessons you are prepared to learn? I don’ think that racial or ethnic intolerance is a joke. I am absolutely sure that the British National Party also do not think it’s a joke.

@Sargeant // August 9, 2009 at 9:45 AM
“LIB

I hope those politicians were speaking on the record. We want names, dates and places, no anonymous quotes. It’s interesting that the BLP & DLP ministers engage each other while some bloggers always have their political battle armor on. I know the PM reads the blogs (at least he used to) not so sure now that he has his hands full but don’t keep us in suspense we want to know what the former PM said over those “mangoes”.”[I hope that the blog post satisfies you, http://livinginbarbados.blogspot.com/2009/08/you-make-best-of-what-you-have-but.html. Though I do not write for an audience, as I noted yesterday. I think the details are good enough, and does not draw into the fray those who do not need to be. The timeline is pretty clear. I did not clear the piece with any of the named and famed, as they were put on notice. I don’t think I did any of them malice, and I will make sure they all see it. A lot passed my mind yesterday and I am not sure if I did well in trying to bring it all together at once of if I should have broken it up. I can be read in ‘episodes’.]

LIB

Though I do not write for an audience, as I noted yesterday. I think the details are good enough, and does not draw into the fray those who do not need to be
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Just read the article on your blog zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, understand the justification for the above caveats zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and you said that Holder’s initial piece on Immigration was too long yawnnnnn zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz will get back to you on your blog when I’m awake.

@Sergeant
“you said that Holder’s initial piece on Immigration was too long”[I’m in careful reading mode today. My words were not as you suggest, but “What you offered several weekends ago was a treatise, as far as most newspapers are concerned, and that you went at length into the exposition is to your credit. The Advocate split the presentation over 2 publications (not sure if that was with agreement by you). I read them in full and did not count the number of words, but many/several commented on this blog about their excessive length. They were certainly the longest pieces I have seen by an outside author in any of the local papers, but will defer to others with longer histories if that is not the case.” So, I read it all, and did not complain.

I also suggested reading in episodes. Given the heavy rain here, it is excellent for inducing sleep, so I can still take credit for it.

I’ve done some research today on tactical writing and speaking and how length can be used to deflect criticism (see Castro as a classic example), but something is not working.]

LIB

I’ve posted some other thoughts on the piece on your blog. Not very complimentary but I hope you take it as objective criticism

@Sargeant
I replied but clearly need not go into that here; the response are with your originals. I would merely ask that you consider why you state a certain ‘admiration’ then describe how you take a position which could be construed as less admirable. That’s not something I can fix, but you can. Not for immediate answer, here or in the other place.

@Sargeant
I’ve seen your additional comments. I will repeat one thing I have said before in different ways. Stay with the ball, don’t buy the fake. I did not sell you a fake but you ran to where the ball was not going. The immigration point is a bit subtle. If you want explore it you can do so by e-mail. Let’s not take up anymore of David’s space.

Ok, LIB, just what is it u do for a living?!!

Yes, I’m in favour of immigration; as a child of Bajan parentage who was born and raised in Europe – I have to be! However it has to be balanced and should not disadvantage the receiving nation. For example you could have a numeric quid-for-pro exchange of nationals. With this in mind could someone please explain to me how, Barbados has ended up with Indians, Syrians, Pakistanis, Philippines and Chinese living in their country. Are these groups here on temporary work contracts? Are Bajans so lacking in skills that the government and businesses believe that the answer to their recruitment problems lies outside the country? Are these groups planning to remain permanently in Barbados? Are their numbers contributing to the housing crises in Barbados? What a situation! I do not personally know any Syrians; so I can not pass any comments. However concerning those other nationalities why has Barbados allowed in these groups who have either no historical connection to Barbados or who are totally inept at integrating with host communities. I always believed that Barbados was a religious country; obviously the biblical story based on the Tower of Babel has been misunderstood.

Please Mr Government if you need to recruit workers from outside; focus your attention more on the Black Diaspora: those with the appropriate skills, intellect and the ability to integrate within the host community. Why bring a plague into your own house? If they are really needed (those listed nationalities), do not give them citizenship, do not allow them to purchase land or houses, do not allow them to over stay their welcome, do not allow them to bring over their families, do not give them citizenship if they marry a Bajan, do not, do not………………..

I do not see how the popping up of Chinese restaurants all over the island can possibly benefit Barbados. All that salt and sugar is dangerous junk. Stay away from it! Cook your own food and keep your money in your bank account. Bajans need to reset the clock and re-learn some home economics. Peace!

I know that we are living in a global world (I do not believe in the economics and philosophy behind globalism) and that all countries rich and poor require emigrants. I stand by my claim that those mentioned nationalities are broadly inept at integrating with host communities. I find it bizarre that those who have a contempt for the black community should chose to reside in a black country. Bajans should be aware that they would not be welcomed in those afore-mentioned countries and others whether on vacation or as residents. I’m amazed that the Barbadian government, with such a tiny population, has failed to provide an educational springboard that would benefit the Barbadian economy and its citizens. Is agriculture and the principles of learning a trade no longer consider to be fashionable? Mr Government start looking after your electorate. Globalism may be tres chic, very much in vogue; but what of tomorrow? Fashion comes and goes.

@Bimbro // August 10, 2009 at 2:17 PM “Ok, LIB, just what is it u do for a living?!!”[Breathe deeply, exercise regularly, eat heartily, drink moderately, smoke never, think occasionally, speak openly. I don’t like other people’s singing, much. There you have it!]

@”*Adviser to the President*” // August 11, 2009 at 4:33 AM
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@livinginbarbados
I should have said immigrants. As always you are spot on. Have to go to work now.

@Sargeant
Sir Lloyd and I have an outstanding issue to discuss. It stems from his call several weeks ago: “I would go as far as a Single Market among the countries but Single Economy? What is an economy? I call upon the economists among us to tell us what an economy is all about. The first thing I know of is taxation and the slogan, no taxation without representation.
I don’t want anybody else to be telling us what our levels of taxes should be in Barbados or saying what should be taxed and what should not be taxed, so we should forget this thing about Single Economy, we can build our relation without talk about Single Economy.” These remarks were reported in the Advocate, July 19, http://www.barbadosadvocate.com/newsitem.asp?more=local&NewsID=4971. I wrote to Sir Lloyd that, despite his position, Barbados was already in the position he disliked, and it was not due to CSME. I pointed out that the US has a global view to taxation, which means that those within the US whom they think are liable for taxation are due to pay irrespective of whether they have represenation rights in the US. Likewise, the US stretches its taxation arm to draw taxes from those it feels liable wherever the income is earned in the world–that is one aspect behind the recent debate about the low tax status of places like Barbados.

The circumstances of our first meeting (he had just come from his office, was enjoying cricket, and then relaxing with people eating mangoes) did not seem right to have this debate. But, it is to come.

@Bimbro
“I’m surprised u don’t desire to deploy ur perceived enormous talents (possibly, actual talents) for the benefit of JA instead of wasting ur time woffling here, all day!”[I spend much of my day exploring how people use a logic, but apply to others rather than themselves. I have not yet understood this dichtomy, but I am still working on it.

If I am “wasting time” “woffling here, all day” what are you doing? If you activity here is not time wasting then what is its value? If its value is high, how is that realised? Through emotional satisfaction or for some monetary consideration? If you do not answer, I can put forward a range of possible explanations. As they teach at the IMF, it all has to add up; follow the money trail.]

I just hay fuh d ride!! if u comprehend Barbadian!!

Whatt a fren we have in Jeeeeeeeesus!!

If China is so important Why are you putting a tired old man there?