Thompson just does not get it! He keeps missing the point.

No one is saying that barbados does not have the soverign right to determine its Immigration Policy, what they are saying, is a loud: “No” to the “inhumane treatment of undocumented CARICOM nationals who are being rounded up and deported, while their possessions; money clothing and everthing else of value – is stolen by DLP members and supported.”

Now we know why! Thompson said in Guyana:

“Barbados is not in breach of any of its Treaty obligations – in removing those persons, whose presence in our country is sanctioned neither by our immigration laws nor by any of the provisions within CARICOM, to which we have agreed.”

In short, they are Guyanese “illegally,” and as such, illegal presence cannot claim layful ownership – hence justification for DLP members and supported to call the immigration and once immigrants are ambushed by the Immigration office – the dems can move in and steal their stuff.

This “Inhumane David Thompson deportation policy” is turning out to be extremely lucrative for DLP members and supporters, since it forms part of “Thompson’s fatted calf doctrine.”

This “Inhumane David Thompson deportation policy” is turning out to be extremely lucrative for DLP members and supporters, since it forms part of “Thompson’s fatted calf doctrine.”

Patriotic Bajan

You ain’t even hear the best,even jagdeo could not tell the difference whenasked, between being asked to leave and deported.

The President of Guyana ,mind you.

I wonder if Jagdeo went to school.That man sounded so pathetic in that david ellis interview.

The man cannot even form a sentence then.

The following is a copy of my comments on Stabroeknews under the article Barbados open to structured re-admission of overstays (quoting the Prime Minister of Barbados)
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July 2, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Leave the damn Bajans alone. They built their nation into one in which they could be proud while Guyana is being run into the ground by a bunch of corrupt politicians. Some Guyanese continue to vote for this regime, and then want to go and enjoy the environment Bajans struggled and sweated for.

The Bajans have seen what is happening in three distinct countries, namely Guyana, Trinidad and Tobago, and Fiji. The fact that the circumstances in all three of them are almost the same is enough evidence for any sensible group of people to do what is necessary to avoid their nation becoming a replica of any of those three.

Barbados, Antigua and other Caribbean islands have no moral obligation to support refugees from Guyana while lottery and CLICO money is being stolen right left and center. The Government of this Country should hang its head in shame, to be criticizing a nation with a positive developmental history while it goes around the world with hat in hand begging for alms, and converting whatever it receives to its own partisan political use and benefit.

Hello Fellow Bloggers,
Did any of you listen to the 7.00pm CBC news tonight?

In an interview with members of the press today, President Jagdeo of Guyana accused Barbados of lying and of using ‘gestapo-like’ tactics in its repatriation of illegal Guyanese immigrants.

I think that it is time that Prime Minister David Thompson put on his boxing gloves.

Unfortuately, I didn’t hear the evening news, however, if what you are saying is true, then my remarks earlier should be accepted. Remove ALL guyanese immigratants from Barbados even if it means pulling out of Caricom because this is heading in the same direction as the federation and we must not be stuck with a growing indo-guyanese culture of arrogants.

Hello Folks,
The immigration fracture between Barbados and Guyana seems to be no longer a spat; it seems to be assuming dimensions of an all-out war.

The President of Guyana is making much ado about nothing over the numbers; his focus should on whether those Guyanese repatriated were illegal or not.

Then, he has the gall to publicly accuse the Government of Barbados of ‘gestapo-like’ tactics. Clearly, for me at least, the behaviour of Jagdeo has done nothing to further the cause of Guyanese. Rather, it will contribute to resentment on the part of most Barbadians, and make it more difficult for most of us to embrace Guyanese and treat them as one.

@ Mr. Holder

What are your thoughts of Mr. Kissoon’s appeal to our Prime Minister ? Do you think that maybe this is what Guyana’s nationals are really saying to Barbados every time they leave Guyana & come to Barbados’ shores even though they may not admit it ?

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2009/07/02/an-appeal-to-barbadian-prime-minister-thompson/

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“An appeal to Barbadian Prime Minister, Thompson
July 2, 2009 | By osafo | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Freddie Kissoon

I am absolutely sure that though the Barbadian Prime Minister, David Thompson, is new to the power establishment in the CARICOM region, he has more than a superficial knowledge of the nature of politics in Guyana over the past years in which he would have been a politician in Barbados.
One only has to look at Mr. Thompson’s counter-part in Jamaica. There you see a CARICOM Prime Minister that knows what the politics of Guyana is like. During the controversy stirred up by President Jagdeo over the signing of the EPA, Prime Minister Bruce Golding castigated a certain CARICOM country for consistently begging the international community.
Mr. Golding was devastating in his description. He told his audience that this sister CARICOM state goes around the world portraying itself as dirt poor and pressing countries to be generous. He referred to this country as a panhandler. He went on to assert that such behaviour was an embarrassment to CARICOM. He ended his perception by saying that he, Golding, is fed up with the particular CARICOM nation’s international begging.
In case the CARICOM Heads do not know, this columnist on this page wrote that it was Guyana that Mr. Golding had in mind although he didn’t name the country. President Jagdeo at a press conference called me a fool when it was pointed out to him that I had fingered Guyana as the territory that Mr. Golding had in his thoughts
If Mr. Golding is embarrassed by Guyana’s international mendicancy then the Jamaican Prime Minister should ask himself how he thinks we, Guyanese feel. Every road, school, hospital, bridge, water equipment, sewage pipe, every national programme, be it alcohol awareness, tobacco awareness, HIV campaign, has some kind of international money going into it as a result of a request from the Guyana Government.
A majority of people in this country would like to see the nation’s government fund our own development.
Back to Mr. Thompson. So surely, Prime Minister Thompson must have a working knowledge of Guyanese politics. Is there an idea inside the head of Mr. Thompson that makes him reflect on why there is a not so small group of illegal immigrants from Guyana in his island, a number which no doubt is larger than other undocumented communities from the rest of CARICOM. There must be.
As I write, there is no published evidence as to the numbers of unregistered entries of nationalities from Guyana and the West Indian island in Barbados. My thinking is that the Guyanese constitute the largest group from what I have been told by people whose analyses I have confidence in.
Mr. Thompson, as the Prime Minister of Barbados, must have asked himself during the recent days as his stand on the return of these undocumented residents gets expanding coverage in the media in his country and Guyana, why after seventeen years of the return of electoral democracy to large, resource-rich Guyana, are its people fleeing in large numbers to the small, overpopulated island of Barbados.
I believe Mr. Thompson ought to know that it has to do with leadership failure in Guyana.
I come now to a direct appeal to Mr. Thompson. In 1997, CARICOM brokered a peace concord with the Guyana Government and the Opposition. It is named the Herdmanston Accord. Guyana was drowning in violence in the aftermath of the 1997 elections when this vital covenant was signed that saved the country. The Herdmanston Accord sees constitutional arrangement as a pathway for an enduring solution to Guyana’s troubled politics.
Dr. Rupert Roopnarine, one of our finest minds, said eleven days ago that the architects of the Herdmanston Accord arrived at the judgement that Guyana’s intemperate ethnic divisions constitute the core problem of the country and the overhauling of the 1980 authoritarian Constitution could provide the basis for a sustained peace.
Dr. Roopnarine has faulted CARICOM for not doing an audit of the Herdmanston Accord.
I am appealing to you, Prime Minister Thompson, to have a discussion with your CARICOM colleagues, including the Guyanese President to examine the status of the Herdmanston Accord. The lack of implementation of the principal requirements of this peace deal is directly related to the overflow of undocumented Guyanese in your country. I don’t know how much you know of the history of Guyana the past 30 years but in that timeframe, right up to this moment, nothing has changed.
You must know Dr. Yesu Persaud, one of the Caribbean greats. He said last week that Guyana’s politics has prevented Guyanese from returning home. It is time CARICOM insist on the acceptance and inclusion of the Herdmanston Accord in the body politic of Guyana. It can save this country from impending disaster.”

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Although,most Guyanese may not want to admit the immigration enfocement actions of Barbados have brought this problem to the limelight.Whether the Prime Minister will actually do it,I don’t know but I think it might explain the root cause of this immigration issue !

I don’t even like lawyers.

I like the philosophy quoted in Shakespeare “first thing we’ll do, let’s kill ALL the lawyers”

I like that.

Quoting Wishing in vain

” Wishing In Vain // July 1, 2009 at 9:51 am

Professor Compton Bourne may be well advised in his position to avoid making comments of a political nature while in office and in a foreign land.”

Dear Wishing in Vain:

Are you mad?

You want to silence Compton Bourne because he disagrees with you and with David and with Lindsay Holder?

What next?

Who else do you wish to silence?

You ever heard about freedom of speech?

You ever heard about vigorous intellectual discourse?

You ever heard to quote Kamau Brathwaite about calling a spade a fucking spade?

Compton Bourne is well within his constitutional rights to disagree with you, with David and with Lindsay Holder (and with me also)

And yes the Barbados Constitution protects me and David and Lindsay and Compton and you Wishing in Vain (although perhaps it shouldn’t) and any stranger, or wayfarer or sojourner, passer-by, or tourist or illegal immigrant.

One of these illegal immigrants will find a lawyer with balls (or maybe better still a lawyer without balls) and will sue the Barbados government for violating the Constitution, the court will find against the government and/or its agents and we the taxpayers will pay.

Mark my word.

Living in Barbados wrote “They were certainly the longest pieces I have seen by an outside author in any of the local papers, but will defer to others with longer histories if that is not the case.”

Yup.

I have been reading all local papers for more than 50 years and Lindsay’s pieces were certainly the longest that I can recall.

Thompson held a 90 minute press conference in which he rejects the accusations that Barbados is ill treating illegal Guyanese immigrants. Next day the Guyanese PM and his host at a Caribbean leaders meeting calls him a liar.

Over to you Thompson, the ball is in your court.

@J

Are you back with that drivel that the article was too long. It was too long for you because the author’s opinion did not mesh with yours, that’s the long and short of the whole issue. And who are you to say what the Nation would or would not publish, are you an insider?

On July 3, 2009 at 1:06 am lholder erote ”

“J,Who are you?”

Why does it matter?

But I will greet you next time I see you, and maybe identify myself (if I feel like it 🙂

And yes the Constitution protects persons, nothing in there about names, and nothing in there about whether I have to have balls or not.

And “no” I am not Kim Young. I don’t even know Kim Young, nor Ezra Alleyne either.

For those who want to think about whether Barbados’ policy towards illegal immigrants is well structured, balanced, likely to work/fail, etc., it’s useful to look at what the US is doing (remembering that the US has extensive borders that are very hard to control), see NY Times, http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/us/03immig.html?_r=1&hp. Questions on the article can be addressed to its author.

I must say that I have great skepticism that the PM’s stated policy is really one that can work if it focuses (or appears to focus) merely on the supply (immigrants) and not also on the demand (employers, landlords, etc.).

For those who really have the capacity to think about it, the pull factors (eg, Barbados’ relative economic success, relative social stability) and push factors (relatively poor economic performance in neighbouring/regional states, divisive social/political situations in such states) are not likely to change markedly in the foreseeable future.

My focus today is on the Wimbledon men’s semi-finals, where players from 4 nations that have had a range of problems over centuries with immigration (legal and illegal), will tussle: Switzerland, UK, Germany, and USA. I suspect that the results will not tell us whether the countries’ immigration policies have facilitated the emergence of great sporting talent or helped bolster them economically or socially.

Have a wonderful weekend, and those in the USA, the Independence Day holidays are always a good time to think about the origins of the nation where you now live.

@LHolder
“Although I am not an expert, my academic training in Economics and Politics gives me, I think, a better appreciation for the issues being discussed.”

I too have academic training in economics, politics, and urban planning; I also have working experience over 3 decades in economics. I have been a migrant almost all my life, including now. I have lived most of my life as a racial minority, and have also lived as a religious minority too, though when I was part of a racial majority. So, I, too, feel all of that gives me an even better appreciation of the issues being discussed.

That said, my views/experiences are not necessarily those that will or should carry the day. But, I do hope to offer a wealth of insights into the issues.

Sargeant “it” learns from hear say. May be if it’s mother is still around she could read Lindsay article and Tell J about it. chuspe

J // July 3, 2009 at 2:10 am

And yes the Constitution protects persons, nothing in there about names, and nothing in there about whether I have to have balls or not.

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The consitution is just a piece of paper. It is hope that all citizens have a vested interest in it’s provisions and in so doing makes it a part of who we are. When people stop believing in it, as can happen when non-productive individuals such as Academics and lecturers, in particular those at UWI start a campaign to re-interpret and redefine it’s words to fit a cause, it can become just another disrespected institution as your law is not my law takes root. Ask Mia she knows it well although she does nothing when her agents are the main ones seeking to remove all percieved roadblocks to the liberal progressive march.

Adrian, what do you mean the Constitution is just a piece of paper? Can you imagine what would happen if a government agreed with that? Or the Police? You evoke memories of George Bush…in more ways than one!

Themis // July 3, 2009 at 10:19 am

Adrian, what do you mean the Constitution is just a piece of paper? Can you imagine what would happen if a government agreed with that? Or the Police? You evoke memories of George Bush…in more ways than one!
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Of course you know what I mean. Not only government, but its agents, and symphatisers as well. The constitution starts its life as a document of words. We interpret those with define meanings and practices to boot and place BOTH in our hearts, and DISPLAY them in our actions. In an attempt to justify a cause or position the intellectuals have started to play with the words of the document hoping that our understanding will change to allow passage of their cause. When you do this you run the risk of eroding the esteem the document holds in our hearts and our actions, at this point its state of birth (mere words) becomes all that it is.

To me a Constitution is nothing but a set of ideals set at the time of its construction & usually the country in its present form look towards those ideals for future guidance.However,no one can deny the fact that what may have worked back then,may not work now.

A good example of this is that the Queen is still considered our absolute head of Government with a significant amount of power even though it has never been exercised during our ‘post-independence’.

This is one of the reasons why I can actually relate to the US since it was a Barbadian who printed the US constitution & the Queen is not the head of Government.Obama just sweetens the deal,lol.

Can you prove Mr Cumberbatch wrong in what he is saying, Sargeant or are you just whistling in the dark? And Jay, which Barbadian wrote the US Constitution?

Its is time for Bajans to boycott the Nation Newspaper as well. (In the same way I did the Advocate). They are playing politics with the news and has been firing this issue in the most unpatriotic way. The fact is is that the newspaper and opposition are doing a great disservice to the nation and its honour. BAJANS BOYCOTT ..The NATION NEWSPAPERS >>>>NOW!!!!! They will feel it in a week time they need your $1, your $2.00 and and your $2.50 more than you realised. You will be surprised to learn what percentage of they total intake subs and daily charges accout for. DO IT NOT

Look are the paper today look at the front page look and the pages inside, Imagine the only first lady the country has had since 1996 has passed on and not even a pictural tribute has been render today. How can youth or any one be encouraged to have any respect for our institutions.

I don’t understand Cumberbatch to be accusing the Government of anything. He is just saying what the law is!

Jagdeo and Gonzalves goals are to destroy Barbados or at least seriously tarnish its world image.