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Two typical plaques. The left one portrays a warrior flanked by two shieldbearers.
Two typical plaques. The left one portrays a warrior flanked by two shieldbearers.

In a recent heated debate on Barbados Underground, a contributor in his or her efforts to denigrate Africa, used statements to suggest; there was no art there, nothing of note ever constructed, mentioned wars, people being killed, internecine fighting and corrupt governments.  The identity of the person is not important, they will not be named by me.  I will concentrate on the veracity of the statements or otherwise and in so doing draw on historical examples with evidence to support what I submit.

It is true there have been brutal wars in Africa and some corrupt governments, perhaps more than a fair share, but they are not exclusive to Africa…I seek not to condone but state truth.  There is no better place to start, than at the beginning.

A few black African families set out on a journey from around the Rift Valley in East Africa – the “precise” date is unknown but Homo Sapiens have been around for approx some 200,000 years – it was not a direct journey they meandered, but because of those families we are “all” here.  “Every” human being in the world, be they black, white, Indian, Chinese or of mixed race are descendants of those African black families.  It cannot be argued against, it is in our DNA.  If the world should last for 50 million more years, that established “fact” cannot change, “all” of us are Out Of Africa, yes the human race.

Now to matters more prosaic, Art, ” The Benin Bronzes are a collection of more than 1000 brass plaques from the Royal Palace of the Kingdom of Benin.  They were seized by a British force in the “Punative Expedition” of 1897 and given to the British foreign office.  Around 200 of these were then passed on to the British museum in London, while the remainder were divided between a variety of collections”…

“The seizure of the Bronzes led to a greater appreciation in Europe for African Culture.  Bronzes are now believed to have been cast in Benin since the thirteenth century, and some in the collection date from the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries.”  Wikipedia

For those not familiar with the geography, Nigeria includes the area of the Kingdom of Benin.  Would you believe it, between the 1950s and 1970s Nigeria “bought” back 50 of the bronzes.  Is it not ironic an African Government had to buy back part of its treasures that were “plundered” in the first instance…but that is colonialism.  The treasures were not only seized but the King of Benin had his palace burnt to the ground.

The point is, beautiful things came out of Africa, and as is often the case credit is not generally given, some people do not want to even believe they were done by Africans.  ( Google them on the internet sometime they are a joy to see)  African scholars must now travel to London to see these beautiful works out of context and location and very few people think consciously of Africa when they are being viewed.  Before I leave this subject I will allow you to ponder the words of Darshana Soni in reference to the Benin Bronzes:

“They symbolise a historical and social significance which the aesthetic and monetary value they hold in exile would never compensate.”

The history of black people did not start with slavery and they should never allow themselves to be seen through that narrow, limiting and constricting prism.  To those black Barbadians and others, not so black, but who are willing to admit publicly that they too are part of the whole.  You have nothing to be ashamed of…yes, go tell it to the children that is “History” unadorned truth.

Permit me to gently touch construction.  What was once called Rhodesia is now named Zimbabwe…unfortunately now a troubled land.  Why was the name changed from Rhodesia glorifying Cecil Rhodes 1853-1902 – founder of the diamond company De Beers – colonial empire builder.  “The Great Zimbabwe” or “stone buildings” is the name given to the stone ruins spread out over 722 ha area within the modern-day country of Zimbabwe, which itself is named after the ruins.  It is near the town of Masvingo, which before majority rule was called Fort Victoria.  The word “great” distinguishes the site from many hundred small ruins, known as Zimbabwes, spread across the Zimbabwe high veld.” Wikipedia

“It is believed “construction” started in the 11th century and continued for over 300 years” the ruins that survived are entirely built of stone.”  All Africans did not live in mud and grass huts, some obviously did and perhaps a great many, but people sometimes see most prominent what they want to see.

After the discovery of the ruins in “The Great Zimbabwe” “some” so called European scholars went into contortions trying to prove they were not built by black Africans.  They could not bring themselves to admit such a thing, they clouded their language and said they were not built by Sub-Saharian Africans, no one south of the Sahara could have built such buildings.  They really meant, not the very “black Africans”, they could not deny the Egyptians and the history of ancient Egypt which stood tall in North Africa, but enough was enough.

“However in 1929 Gertrude Caton-Thompson was the first to conclusively state that the site was indeed created by Africans.  Since then artifacts and radia carbon dating have proved that the oldest remains date back to the 1200s.” Wikipedia

We are what we are, like a tree whose leaves turn many colours in the Autumn, but the “roots” are the same.  We black people have no reason to excuse ourselves for being here.  We strode out across the world, we made beautiful things built edifices, made mistakes, sinned and were sinned against, but we are here, we are survivors and because we have survived there is a world for “all” of us.  That is not opinion or hyperbole it is a historical fact, it is in “our” DNA.  Tell it to the children it is “our” History “All” of us.


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  1. Yes Foolbert,

    And old ladies are finding it difficult to get their pension chegues from the NIS, while the same National Insurance Department is taking up $105m of the same old ladies pension funds – to build two buildings at Warrens.


  2. I live in England but, it seems to be the same, the world over, with black women!! Funnily enough, I hardly ever notice any WHITE women in those establishments! There must be a lesson there, for black women to learn, but I’m sure they won’t!!


  3. partIybajangirI, Ghana has a very Iarge white popuIation, been there for generations, many are poor and dont even speak European Ianguages anymore.


  4. ‘Interesting’ fact, Victor, but it’s difficult to percieve it’s relevance to this discussion! The fact is that, black women need to learn, but they won’t!!


  5. WeII if you want to focus the discussion about women and their fashions, you just need to go to Bridgetown bus terminaI at schooI going home time and see the few white schooIgirIs who copy bIack girI’s hairdos! There they are the bIonde Bajan girIs with their hair aII pIastered down, IittIe geIIed-on curIs, etc. MeanwhiIe, IittIe bIack girIs heII bent on straightening and skin bIeaching. It seems to me that everyone just wants to fit in to what they percieve as the most succesfuI demographic profiIe.


  6. And can I say on the wig issue, WHY WIGS? You cannot bIame the unruIy hair on white peopIe for heavens sake, just because you are mixed race. Stop the wig wearing, have braids or a short haircut. HeaIthier, prettier and cheaper. And famiIy orientated. Afros ARE hard to maintain. IF you have that abundance of hair to start with which most don’t. Why the Ionging for fIowing tresses and the abundance of ghastIy horribIe wigs? You couId say it is just fun, a fashion statement but then someone Iike oprah turns up with a fuII head of fIowing Iocks, you know it is pure buIIshit. That is fake hair, trying to copy the very same Europeans that ensIaved us. What’s more, you have to spend HOURS and DOIIARS at the hairdresser’s to get that whitey Iook. Can somebody pIease expIain WHY YOU MUST DO THIS?


  7. Sorry to bang on but I’m on a roII. When I was on the bus, it stopped near a guIIy, an oId Iady had to get off. She got off with her shopping but then feII, tumbIed down the ditch into the guIIy. I jumped off to rescue her but aII she cared about was her wig hat, which had faIIen off in the accident.


  8. Black men used to wear jerry curls but we get rid of that quick.

    Why black hair get the label unruly i don’t understand, it just different from white people hair and should be in locks.

    How can we get rid of this need for our black women to stop putting chemicals into there hair????????


  9. Victor, the fact is the vast majority of our women are dissatisfied with the way god made them and want to look ‘betta’!! I say, “steupse”!! I prefer my black women the way god made them. He knows and knew best for us and vain, supercilious, black women, need to realise that!!

    Victor, you said that, “afros are hard to maintain”!! Do u think the minister in question has a problem maintaining hers!! It need n’t be six inches thick!!

    I agree with you about Oprah, a person who I would wish to admire but when I consider one or two of her decisions plus, as you commented, the awful wigs, my admiration has to be subdued!!

    I take your point about the old lady, Victor! So sad, is n’t it!! What was she doing wearing a wig in the hot Bajan sun, anyway! She’s almost as reprehensible as the rastas!! If only our notable public figures, with the exception of the revered minister above, could set the poor, weak-minded people an example!!

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    How can we get rid of this need for our black women to stop putting chemicals into there hair????????

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    Unfortunately, most black women are hopelessly, vain and will do anything to ‘improve’ their appearance, yet, most times, end up looking horrendous!!

    All black men/people should wear a neat, short, sharp afro, just like our fore fathers!! It was logical and made sense to them and, still does!!


  10. Victor, maybe the old girl had to go tuh church the next day and could n’t do so without her wig!!

    Lord!!


  11. When I was young Bajan women used to wrap their hair around rolled-up, brown paper, in order to make it straight!! Basically, black women, in particular, and increasingly, these days, black men too, thus the rasta-appearance, have always been ashamed or discontented with their natural looks!! I ask God to forgive them!! How sad!! How sad!! Ours is the ONLY race which is so ashamed of itself! The Asians and Chinese are n’t, neither are the whites, to anywhere near the same extent, but with black WOMEN, it’s an obscession!! As a CARDINAL EXAMPLE, I’VE HAVE N’T HAD ANY IDEA WHAT MY ONLY DAUGHTER LOOKS LIKE, FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARS, CAUSE EVERYTIME I SEE HER HER FACE IS COVERED IN MAKEUP AND OTHER ORNAMENTS. I SWEAR DAT IF I PASSED HER ON THE STREET AND SHE WAS N’T WEARING MAKEUP, I WOULD N’T KNOW IT WAS HER!! WHAT A DISGRACE!!


  12. @199 rasta is against make up and the likes, Afros are very time consuming.

    But both are steps in the right direction.

    Its time black men take the lead and like women that are ‘natural,’ the makeup wearing ones should not get much attention for us then it would change.

    Who would believe that 199 a man that hate rasta so bad got something in common with we, both 199 and rasta realize the need for our black women to do away with chemicals in them head!!!

    mabe you should rethink your position, if your daughter had a rasta she might not get locks but you might see her without makeup!!!!!!!!!


  13. if your daughter had a rasta

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    To do what wiv!! Murder in allowed in Englan!


  14. Copy the white man, lurn from the white man, dat’s why we’re always at the back!!


  15. @199 rasta don’t copy no white man for sure!!!!


  16. RD, I hoped by now, ud comprehend, I’m trying to discourage my people AWAY from rastafarianism, as far as they can possibly, go! Look to the white man for guidance as u seem to be making such a mess of it in terms of self-pride!!


  17. 199 said ‘Look to the white man for guidance’

    199 also said ‘ “steupse”!! I prefer my black women the way god made them. He knows and knew best for us and vain, supercilious, black women, need to realise that!!’

    So in effect 199 is saying God knows best for black people that we should look to white for guidence…….. I SAY THAT THINKING IS FLAWED.

    Bad luck for us that thinking is embedded in the older generations.

    I don’t know a lot of white people. but the ones i knew were very very close. My best friend through secondary school was white and a white couple lived with me for 2 years. So i think i am qualified when i say white people are different from blacks, they have different preferences for every thing food, music, sex, dancing, everything.

    So how can someone different from me know what is best for me? I ent even mention the fact that them is the same white people that tie we up and beat we and threat we like their property, now you want to ask them for guidance?

    You really think white people know what is better for black people than black people them self???? 199????


  18. In fairness to the argument there is the other interpretation.

    The White race has the 400 hundred years advantage hence would have move forward and able to refine technology and social structures. Could this be what Bimbro (199) is referring to?


  19. RD, I said that in relation to not being ashamed of being your natural selves!! That’s all my friend, although, I daresay, there’re other qualites which we could learn from them but, at this moment, all I’m concerned with is that we must stop being ashamed of our natural physical appearance!!

    David, notwithstanding what u said, the white man was ALWAYS going to be ahead because he does n’t have the problem of shades-prejudice! I’m SURE u know what I mean, but, just in case you’re going to pretend u don’t, I mean; u lighter dan me so I like u but she darker dan me so I doan like she and he is the same shade as me so he might, or might not, be alright!! I lie??


  20. An, who responsible fuh dat, it in d BLACK women dumselves for going wid d same very WHITE men?!! So, who inflick d problem on us but we ourselves and we’re doing so, more and more, every day!! Yuh caan deny dah!!


  21. Combine dat with the normal social and economic prejudices and what chance does the ordinary, BLACK man have!! Virtually, none!!


  22. As a avid block limer i can say the young bajan black men are not ashamed of our self’s.

    As a culture Barbados is very young and only now learning what works best.

    Stop being ashamed of our natural physical appearance? this coming from a man that is puke when he see well groomed locks?

    You ever see black people hair when them leff it unchecked for a long time? how it is look? that is our natural physical appearance, it locks naturally but it don’t look too good.

    If you want we accept natural physical appearance you should accept groomed locks. A bald head is not natural for sure.

    About David’s comment ‘400 hundred years advantage’ shows the white superiority thinking in action again.

    Just to show how advance black people were

    At its peak, the Roman road system spanned 53,819 miles (85,004 km) and contained about 372 links.

    i was trying to find out for 1 city in USA but is stead i got this.

    The Dwight D. Eisenhower National System of Interstate and Defense Highways, commonly called the Interstate Highway System (or simply, the Interstate System), is a network of limited-access highways (also called freeways or expressways) in the United States that is named for President Dwight D. Eisenhower, who championed its creation. The entire system, as of 2006[update], has a total length of 46,876 miles (75,440 km),[1] making it both the largest highway system in the world


  23. white people are not superior but different. for centuries black folk have chosen to live with nature in harmony with gods creation, white people love technology and to marvel at their own works. Its just a different view of the world.

    we in Barbados have the technology here at our disposal and still the natural black mans yearn to live with the land. we just have to find a way to mesh the two.

    I going of track here so i gin stop for now.

    But my point is that white people are as good as we make them out to be and because we as bajans have no history we should set the standards for future generations now.


  24. Ready Done

    Your response was expected.

    You refer to a Black civilisation which was advanced in those times, who can refute that?

    But then you have to discuss the reality of a people ripped from their civilisation and saddled in bondage.

    It is in that context that the chasm in the Black White discussion was raised.


  25. A bald head is not natural for sure.

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    RD, I agree with u, unless naturally bald! My aspersions re: the hair apply mainly to our women and rastas!! There’s absolutely, NOTHING, which is natural about locks!! If u believe that then ur fooling urself!! as well u know!! Not to mention how disgusting they USUALLY, look!!

    RD, do u think the Romans were black??

    RD, so black people doan love technology!! Lor!! Wa u doing pun d internet den!! RD, we love it but we too busy smoking gunga an doing all sorts of other foolishness, like growing an managing locks, to INVENT it!! Dat’s d main and highly commendable difference between us and the whites, Asians AND Orientals!! We’re only consumers, when we’re not too poor to afford it, whereas, they’re inventors and creators!! Which do u think is the more commendable state of affairs!!

    The chasm in black inter-relationships was created when black women went with white men, as I described above!!

    Hasten d day when I rule Bim!!


  26. It will be such a wonderful place!!


  27. I am saying that the way in which whites have built their society is not working, nun of it, they build cities that cant sustain their own population. and allow all kinds of wrong doing to become prevalent.

    The white way is not the black way. The blacks way has been taking from him, now the blacks have been turn on each other father against son husband against wife etc.

    What we must do is start over and build a new black empire, one that embraces technology but does not worship it.


  28. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skLPurhMgtY&hl=en&fs=1]


  29. this video is just to show differences can be accepted.


  30. And I agree with the KKK leader Kelly, SEPARATION OF THE ‘RACES.’ Period. See how easily they shared that soda, because they know exactly where each other stand and they respect each other for that. Unlike the frauds that laugh in your face and then stab you in the back. Those who pretend that they are for equal rights are deceitful and dishonest. You can NEVER trust them. I’d rather tek tea with this man than with a Bill Clinton. However, I don’t see where this Black Man is a KKK member.


  31. Hate comes from fear !!!


  32. RD, u talking sheer foolishness up day bout building “a black empire”!! There’s one already, it’s named Zimbabwe! Want to live there?!! I did n’t tink so!!

    RD, please hush yuh mout an learn!!

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    Hopi // June 1, 2009 at 1:27 pm

    And I agree with the KKK leader Kelly, SEPARATION OF THE ‘RACES.’

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    Lor! An I thought dat I, was suppose to b d racis hay!! Steupe, just goes to show how much foolishness people does talk!!

    Sir Technician;

    Hate does n’t ONLY come from fear. It can arise from many causes but, including, fear of your high and worthy morals being eroded by people with alien beliefs!! I in naming nuh names!!


  33. @Tech…..Why is it that they fear the Black Man?


  34. @199….Lor! An I thought dat I, was suppose to b d racis hay!! Steupe, just goes to show how much foolishness people does talk!! Ya got a mirror close by right or ya hearing voices in ya hed?


  35. Because i accept the fact that someone with a different skin color has other differences from me does not mean i hate them.

    Zimbabwe is a black empire but it does not work therefore we need a different one. One that works.

  36. partly bajan girl Avatar
    partly bajan girl

    All this plucking on black women!
    What about black men?
    What about the great soulbrother(and woman beater) James Brown?
    He has always had a VERY comic and straightened hairdo that dont fit him at all, even if he screams out !I am black and I am proud” etc.
    He looks totally ridiculous and I have never seen a black person suiting a hairdo worse…


  37. Zimbabwe is a black empire but it does not work therefore we need a different one. One that works.

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    RD, try dis one!! B a r b a d o s, spells Barbados!! Heard of it?!!

    Lord!!

    PBG, I soooooooo agree with u about James Brown’s hair!! I too, thought he looked dreadful with that straightened hair and I hope that you can see now and agree with me on the wisdom of ALL black people wearing their normal, afro hair!! I have never seen James looking so impressive as when, on film, he wore an AFRO, back in the 60s or was it the 70s!! I was SO disappointed when he straightened his hair!! I can only assume he thought it would b more acceptable to his white audiences and, truth b told, d man had to make a living, when all was said an done! It’s a pity because it tended to annul all the good ideas in his songs, as u suggested, of being “black and proud”!! So sad!!

    PB, doan tink u gun get way completely wid ridiculing my JB, jes because he was a brother!! cause I tink ‘sister’ Oprah, looks even mo ridiculous in her stupid wigs or funny-hairdos and false eyelashes when she’s ready than even JB!

    I keep telling my people to wear their hair naturally but, sadly, so many of them prefer to look like a clown, instead!!

    Ridiculous!!


  38. One ugh dese days, not for many millenia, cause Bajans so fond ug d notion dat sumbody love dem an need to be loved) Bajans will stop worrying duhselves bout Africa an realise dat Africans doan give a damn bout dem (people who they consider inferior) excep to USE dum at every possible, opportunity! Remember d plane-load ug dum who come over hay d udda day?!!

    Wunna keep worrying bout Africa an Africans!! Wunna doan have a ting else tuh do!!


  39. Follow d white man, or work it out for yuhselves!! Fuhget bout Africa until they can accept u as equals which, will NEVER happen!!


  40. Sorry to have to give yuh dat bad news but, dat is d fak!!


  41. D Nigerian nurses were so ‘grateful’ to wunna dat duh could n’t leave wivout having to make wunna feel guilty bout someting or udda (allegations about them which were probably true, anyway!!) – typical, putrid-attitude, ungrateful Africans!! Next time, I hope we’ll invite anybody else, INSTEAD!!


  42. 199

    Rastas like ROK wear their hair natural too. Hah..!

    But why are these hate/terror groups not outlawed as part of the “war on terror”? Remember the Panthers of the sixties. The CIA and FBI went after them with a passion…!

    There is no fear of the unknown here just bullshit egoes. I would like to meet one in a dark alley by heself. YEEHAA..!

    I would like to put Negroman and BIMBRO in a room for a day..! MURDAH..!


  43. Oh shoot, I got one, Hopi and Dr. Porgie in a room for two minutes. Haaaaaaa.

  44. partly bajan girl Avatar
    partly bajan girl

    So what about michelle obama??
    Well, here is an article I liked about black women and western hairstyles. Maybe that can explain a little bit more about how we think to you black lads?

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/23/black.hair/index.html


  45. B, I doan c d rastas as terroris, yet, an, left to me, I doan propose tuh give dum d chance to become nun eida!!

    B, I in staying alone in a room wid nuh man who I doan know, fuh any length ug time! Not dese days boa!!

    Laaaadddddddddddddd!!!!

    PBG, u mek me laugh!! Wunna women so hypocritical!! U can c how James Brown look stupid wid e straight hair but u caan c how 99% uh black women look just as or, more stupid, wid deer straight hair!!

    Waiiiiiiiii!!

    BLACK women?!!

    PBG, u hear wha dah Somali or, Ethiopian or whaever she is model (dah wun who married to David Bowie – ‘Imam’) said about Michelle Obama, d udda day?!! She said, dat Michelle “is not a great beauty but, is merely interesting looking”!! Well, I caan disagree wid er dere, cause, I doan even fine er interesting-looking!! However, what I WILL say is: “who tell Imam dat SHE good looking”?!! cause, whoever it was, WUS LYING!! In spite of all she ugliness I would much rather look at Michelle dan dat long string uh nutten, Imam!!

    B, I still awaiting dis sagacious piece on Bretton Woods!! Boy, dat wus suh long ago I’d even forgotten about it!!

  46. partly bajan girl Avatar
    partly bajan girl

    199: you seem to take what Iman said a little bit out of context, therefor I add the whole quote after her, not to misguide the readers of Barbados Underground.
    Iman is a rock and roll woman with a lot of knowlegde about how it is to be black in a white fashion world a long time before you came out of your nappies!

    http://www.afro.com/tabid/551/itemid/3673/Supermodel-Iman-Michelle-Obama-Not-a-Great-Beaut.aspx

  47. partly bajan girl Avatar
    partly bajan girl

    Here another article:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/15/usa.fashion

    yesterday watching telly and some american rap-videos, i to my atonishedment realized that 80% of the socalled black women in them videos had straigtened? hair, and a mucj lighter complexion that their soul brothers in generally.
    If you 199 and the others here says that black women are stupid that dont wanna accept their natural, african looks, why are all the girls (with few exceptions) in them videos looking like they have at least 2 european forefathers?
    Yhe black music industry is very powerful, and if you want to support your black sisters, why not use propers negroid girls in them videos?
    And why are the women in advertizements in magazines like Ebony and stuff so diffrent from “Mother Africa?”
    And in black porn magazines?
    Maybe you black men dont turn on of totally black sisters either, deep inside?


  48. Sweet PBG, darling, the likelihood is dat I’m older than Imam! In fak, I remember when she firse ‘burse’ pun d scene!! Tuh tell yuh de god’s trufe PB, I swear if I can c wha my man Bowie see in she! I would rather u,dan she!! I sure u got some flesh pun yuh!!

    Steupse!!

    I in god nuh time for dem an duh utterances boe, specially knowing how people from dah part of d worle hate us!

    PB, yuh caan blame ME fuh wuh women duh use in dem stupid videas!! I will always prefer my black girls wiv duh afro hair so I doan know wha dem doing, boe!! I am duh chief complainer about dem!!

    As for Ebony, dat magazine’s been shite, from day 1!! an, where d porn magazines r concern, I have n’t seen any fuh a long time!! Can u sen me some?!!

    Laddddddddddddddd!!

    May bother tuh visit the links sometime!! Not even sure!!

  49. partly bajan girl Avatar
    partly bajan girl

    Hah! are you an oldie?:-)

    But; you never came close to my question;
    Why are there SO many girls with sleek hair and fair complexion in all them music videos by male, black music artists, and what signals do you think that send to all more black women who wants to be adored and seen as beautiful by these guys??

    But here is a man who likes all women, I think: 😉


  50. ‘PB’, no, sweets!! I’m a youngie!! Lor!!

    Babe, I answered ur question!! In in in d music industry an have nuh control ova wha d ididots do but I in got nuh time fuh d light-skin, blonde, black women ida!! To me duh jes look like idiots!!

    As fuh Lennie, yeh, he suh fond ugh black women dat he wus wukking-up wid some white woman jes d udda day!! She probably rejek e by now, anyway!!

    Well, u know d Trinis!! Dem confuse as hell, anyway!!

    Just watched the video P and thanks! I c we’re both fans of Kravitz. However, he still inta d white women, whaever d title ugh he song!! I compliment him too, for wearing an afro, at least fuh now!! Will probably b dyed blonde d nex time I see e!!

    Steupse!! I in got a lot ugh time fuh any ug dum really excep my girl, Ri!! U know if she’s started performing again?!!

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